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06-07-2018 08:43 PM #1 kristina (Member)
it is time

Hey hi!
A few months ago(maybe 6) I registered on STM. I´d started Amy´s guide and I had my first campaign which brought me 0.09 cents...
And the same time I had a lot of questions, confusion, problems with internet(I found out that Google is a bit more than just a search tool a few months ago) and fears and one person who is in STM and affiliate business about 4 years. So...I know something. I have support! I didn´t work full force these months I want to begin again and this time
a) I will do follow along
b)first of all I will read the whole forum with ATTENTION!
c)I will forget about fear
d) I will get first money back from all investments in this idea!
The first goal is too read the forum. (It is funny and I should be ashamed maybe, but a lot of time I´ve spent for 40 days(more than 40) and all these days I googled what is (for example) DNS when I was able to find it here...
P.S. Will be grateful if someone will tell me first how to upload a profile pic
P.P.S. Yes I am not really familiar with web things, but if I want I will do...so...you can smile...laugh...not to believe...but I will do this
And yes thanks in advance for the support!


06-07-2018 08:51 PM #2 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Hello Kristina

There is a lot of info to be found here on STM, it's easy to get lost in the ocean of information... so don't be shy and ask questions in case something isn't clear to you.

To upload a profile picture, look in the top right corner, there is a link "Settings", then pick "Edit profile picture" in the left column. Or try to click here directly : https://stmforum.com/forum/profile.p...editprofilepic

Cheers,
Matej.


06-08-2018 01:31 AM #3 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Hi kristina! Welcome to the forum! And kudos on having the courage to start a follow-along!

I like your attitude of not caring about what anyone else says or thinks. At the end of the day, we can't make everyone happy. Fortunately, you CAN make yourself happy - and even that may be a big enough job!

No need to think too much at the start - just start launching campaigns as quickly as possible and go from there. Always remember to set a daily budget (and overall campaign budget if the option is available). As long as you do that, other mistakes will not bankrupt you.

We'll be here for any questions!



Amy


06-08-2018 05:57 AM #4 kristina (Member)

Thank you very much!
Yes, the ocean is the perfect word to describe STM
And for the link as well, thank you!


06-08-2018 06:01 AM #5 kristina (Member)

Thank you Amy, very nice of you!
I will start launching campaigns these days
Thank you!


06-24-2018 11:22 PM #6 kristina (Member)

Progress... I have read almost everything. Seems like it is too much for my brain for the moment. In progress of creating a new account in Mobidea as I did not get a reply when I asked how to restore security question. But the person who could approve my request after skype call is out of the office till 29th. So I am waiting and trying to more or less clean things in my brain. I guess I supposed not to read about FB and Native


06-25-2018 11:48 AM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by kristina View Post
Progress... I have read almost everything. Seems like it is too much for my brain for the moment. In progress of creating a new account in Mobidea as I did not get a reply when I asked how to restore security question. But the person who could approve my request after skype call is out of the office till 29th. So I am waiting and trying to more or less clean things in my brain. I guess I supposed not to read about FB and Native
There is a lot of information to digest for sure, do not try to get it all at once, it's not possible. Start with the basics, then advance one step at a time ... that's why it's a great idea to follow Amys guide, as it's all structured in a step by step form, so easy to follow and enough time to understand each step in detail.

You can always ask about the things you don't understand, we will gladly help you along the way.


06-25-2018 01:17 PM #8 kristina (Member)

Thank you again! The thing is I began a few months ago with only this guide without paying attention to other parts of the forum. So Now I am back to the guide, but I already have a mess and with accounts with knowledge, but I know soon it will be easier, thanks for support and replies!


06-26-2018 07:27 AM #9 kristina (Member)

Thank you very much!


06-27-2018 01:08 PM #10 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

But I had a choice of the cost model in Voluum.
For cost model, choose CPC and set it to a value that reflects what you are realy paying per VISIT. You will need to let the campaign run for a while to see what the real cost is. I assume you run pops since you follow the guide, so let's say after $10 worth of traffic, you got 3500 visits ... 10/3500=0.003 so you would set this as your CPC.

irst time I have followed the guide no one of campaigns was profitable enough to continue. So is there any sense without LP...
It's very unlikely that you would profit without LPs. Feel free to launch a directlink campaign to verify the setup process and learn how to do it, but make sure to start using LPs ASAP!


06-27-2018 01:31 PM #11 kristina (Member)

I see, Thank you very much I really appreciate this! if I knew that here I can get so much support I would start follow along earlier!


06-27-2018 02:34 PM #12 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by kristina View Post
I see, Thank you very much I really appreciate this! if I knew that here I can get so much support I would start follow along earlier!
That's what STM is about


06-27-2018 03:35 PM #13 Mobidea (Veteran Member)

Hi Kristina!

Since you are just starting, direct linking offers could be a platform to learn. However, as matuloo has mentioned you should start being friends with LP asap
You can also check some advice regarding working with DL here https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ring-knowledge

And since you have already chosen the offer, I assume your account was approved, right?


06-27-2018 04:47 PM #14 kristina (Member)

Yes, thanks And thank you for material


06-27-2018 08:47 PM #15 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

As I said earlier, it's close to impossible to profit on POPs without a good LP.


06-30-2018 03:06 AM #16 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Nice progress!

Setting up direct-linking camps is very good practice, but as matuloo has pointed out, it would be difficult to make profits this way. (This wasn't the case when I wrote this tutorial - but things have changed since then.) Please see this post:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Major-Overhaul

The tutorial was written to be so simple in the beginning that ANYONE can follow it and set up their first campaign in the first couple of days. If I had started with lessons on how to rip and clean and host and test landing pages, many people would get discouraged and give up. So the direct-linking has its place in the tutorial.

Now that you have the experience with setting up campaigns, it's time to explore landing pages. You now have the confidence of having figured out tracking and traffic source and affiliate networks and postbacks and offers - so would be more likely to have the patience to figure out something more complicated like coding. Have fun!



Amy


07-03-2018 09:07 AM #17 kristina (Member)

Thank you very much!


07-03-2018 09:12 AM #18 kristina (Member)

Progress.
Well, during the weekend I have tried to deal with LPs I can read it now and understand more or less some things, however still not sure if I am doing it right, well obviously no, coz it doesn´t work well.
Decided this week to practice on this only instead of spending money for boosting empty ads. Cannot find any person to see how would pro replace things.
But maybe if until Thursday I will not do at least one working lp I could ask here by posting screenshots
I assume it doesn't work . 1) At the first stage because it is not uploaded to Voluum 2) When trying to upload it maybe I mix up with links


07-03-2018 11:44 AM #19 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by kristina View Post
Progress.
Well, during the weekend I have tried to deal with LPs I can read it now and understand more or less some things, however still not sure if I am doing it right, well obviously no, coz it doesn´t work well.
Decided this week to practice on this only instead of spending money for boosting empty ads. Cannot find any person to see how would pro replace things.
But maybe if until Thursday I will not do at least one working lp I could ask here by posting screenshots
I assume it doesn't work . 1) At the first stage because it is not uploaded to Voluum 2) When trying to upload it maybe I mix up with links
There are MANY threads on stm that deal with setting up LPs and tracking, please check some of them out.

Here just a few of the recent ones that I could remember quickly :

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ders-on-voluum
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...h-my-click-url

Caurmens original tracking thread : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-Read-This-Now

Zeno linked this video which could be of help too ; http://docs.funnelflux.com/getting-s...s-and-tracking


07-04-2018 03:43 AM #20 vortex (Senior Moderator)

But maybe if until Thursday I will not do at least one working lp I could ask here by posting screenshots
I assume it doesn't work . 1) At the first stage because it is not uploaded to Voluum 2) When trying to upload it maybe I mix up with links
Feel free to post the code of one of the landers into pastebin or similar, and then post the link here. Someone will take a look.

I'm bad at coding too and I managed to get by! Don't despair. The more you fix up the easier it will get. And if one lander takes too long to figure out, rip another one.



Amy


07-04-2018 08:04 PM #21 kristina (Member)

Good evening. Still all things about LPs easy to describe just like "not sure"
So, I did this with the easiest one I found.
Following this https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ripped-landers
And I uploaded original and corrected versions and another document with my "not sure" in Dropbox.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6cakwqb5y...NKpDxmxTa?dl=0

If someone can have a look and tell me something I would be very grateful!!!!!!


07-06-2018 02:30 PM #22 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

What exactly are you looking for in terms of feedback?


07-07-2018 01:25 PM #23 kristina (Member)

An understanding if what I am doing and thinking is the right way or I replaced wrong things
And there is a document about "I am not sure" point, which also could be clarified eg. yes, your assumption is correct or no, it is about this...


07-07-2018 04:24 PM #24 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Kristina - can you please share the code via pastebin? I can't open the files (what kinds of files are they?)



Amy


07-07-2018 11:36 PM #25 kristina (Member)

Thank you, Amy, I didn't really know the exact way to share but here are embed links
<script src="https://pastebin.com/embed_js/gH926YZd"></script> Original code
<script src="https://pastebin.com/embed_js/pWmwWGv3"></script> Corrected one
And some questions I had
1)Get URLparametr. There was nothing. I added one from the article.
<script>
function getURLParameter(name) {
return decodeURI(
(RegExp(name + '=' + '(.+?)(&|$)').exec(location.search)||[,null])[1] || ''
);
}



2)Date.
As I assume there is nothing. But I am not sure. Coz there is something like
<script>
(function(w,d,s,l,i){w[l]=w[l]||[];w[l].push({'gtm.start': new Date().getTime(),event:'gtm.js'});
var f=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],j=d.createElement(s),dl=l!='dataLayer'?'&l='+l:'' ;j.async=true;
j.src='https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtm.js?id='+i+dl;f.parentNode.insertBefore(j,f);
})(window,document,'script','dataLayer','GTM-KL464X');
</script>
And there was not in the guide. Seems does not contain any old info tho. And in guideline it was more about past date.
From the other side there is mark google tag in the code. It seems to be behavioural tracking system…but I cannot really understand what does it do in LP code.
Should I just delete it? And if it is so. there is no time and date code in the doc.

3)Links.
First of all I replaced all what I considered to be redirect links. Maybe even more. I am not sure about
<a href=“mailto:moipodpiski@mts.ru”
href=“http://static.mts.ru/uploadmsk/
<a href="http://o.connectivity.ru/#"
As it redirects to terms and conditions of career. And white text (which is text visible to target) also says “to see terms and conditions click here.” But maybe it is some hidden trick.

Also not sure about empty href…it may be simply broken or maybe empty on purpose. As soon as iI don't have much experience I feel lost a bit.
</script>
<base href="">
<base href="">
<meta charset="utf-8">
<title>Veelgames</title>

Do I understand right that
this one i should replace with my click link?
}
function linkOffer() {
location.href = “/click.php?lp=1”;

4)Replace images.
Ones someone showed me and I kinda have an idea…but again…not sure
Do I understand right ?
To change picture i have to
replace

<img src="logo.png" alt=“">
with
<img src=folder+image name" alt=“”>?


Thank you in advance!!!


08-03-2018 05:34 PM #26 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Good for you girl!

Give it your best shot! That way you maximize your chances of success and will have no regrets no matter what happens.


Amy

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app


08-03-2018 06:22 PM #27 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

The first thing you should change is your mindset.
How man different campaigns and how much traffic did you run?
In one screenshot we see 4,3k visits for a Kazakhstan offer, in another screenshot we see 8,3k visits.
This is way too less to judge your journey.
About 2/3 of your posts are about problems with landing pages or with other technical stuff so maybe you even lost some of the traffic because of technical issues.
Start campaigns, run traffic, check stats, test offers, test landers...
Test, test, test...
There is no way around it.
Don't just start a campaigns in one geo for one carrier and wonder when you don't get conversions after few thousand visits.
Start 5-10 campaigns PER DAY to find out what's working for you.
You should get your setup running and then test again to get a real impression.
How many offers/landers/campaigns did you run that you decide to quit?
Even experienced affiliates sometimes have to test many offers just to find a winner so you can imagine that an unexperienced beginner sometimes need to test 50 or 60 offers together with many different landers.
The beginning is the hardest part and you complain about missing conversions although you don't even have prepared your infrastructure 100%.
What you do now is to throw the towel before you even started.
With such mindset you won't succeed.


08-04-2018 03:07 PM #28 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Some valid points by twinaxe. May be too harsh for a newbie, but the main takeaway is that extensive testing is the only way to find success.

With more research and experience you can narrow down the number of things you need to test, limit your spend by being more efficient, etc. But like twinaxe said, even the most seasoned affiliate needs to test. In fact, continuing to test extensively even in spite of the increased odds of making successful campaigns IS the main reason for their continuing success.

We're rooting for you without judgement. Hope you would read our comments as the encouragement as they're meant to convey, and not criticism!



Amy

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using STM Forums mobile app


08-05-2018 01:46 AM #29 maynzie (Moderator)

Hey Kristina, props to you for getting this far already, I can tell you its more then most will ever get and the frustration you've been facing is building your character, so congrats for not dropping off as the journey gets tougher!

I agree here with Twinaxe, your mindset is most likely a bit of a rollercoaster right now as you're confused with so many things going on at once. Is it your tracker? Is it your offer? Does AM really work? Is all this stuff everyones saying just S#$@? This is what happens when us humans start something new... Especially if budget is a problem and the stress begins to rise... but its a journey now, a marathon... you develop the right skill set and you have this for life!

I would take a moment... take a huge breath in and realise you've already come this far! Look how much you've already learned... now the next step is to make sure you can nail down your tracking completely on some very cheap traffic so you know you've got that working correctly and can remove that as an issue in your mind.

Then back on the horse, begin to launch some more campaigns in tier 2 Geos so competition is lower, proven converters recommended by your affiliate manager but also backed by stats that are affiliates are making it work with volume. It will most likely take a few campaigns to begin to see more and more progress, but that is this industry, its just a constant game of launching and optimising, the winners are well worth the wait

I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've seen in a similar situation you find yourself in now... only to fast forward a few months and have it all click, but also those who get inundated with not being able to work through things progressively and crumble from the mental overload. Thats why I'm making a cause for patience here, it took all of us time to get this.

If you do for a year what others don't, you can do for a lifetime what others can't - don't lose sight of the bigger picture!


08-05-2018 11:02 AM #30 kristina (Member)

Progress
Yesterday I ran 3 campaigns. Results are here. Basically still 0, however, Mobidea shows that I had 1 conversion in France. While Voluum and propellerads do not think so.
I also applied yesterday to a number of new sweeps offers and prepared LPs.
So today if any of them will be approved during the day I will try new campaigns.
Don´t know if I have to continue something with yesterday ones as I´ve tried them before the result was 0 and yesterday basically 0.(yes, I tried to play with cutting) So I think i am leaving them.

If statistics needed https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o3fryf1sk...zjJtHM9ia?dl=0 as per me they say nothing but "campaign doesn't work" And one of my campaigns definitely went to the wrong place as I see in affiliate networks part Mobidea and "none"...so I also will check this one today

Everyone talking about Affiliate managers. Shame on me...but I am kind of "i will do it by myself" person...or introvert. It took 4 months before I created follow along. And I still cannot find my AM contact in mobidea, but it seems to be very important in this industry, could you tell me please where is this contact located as all contacts I found is mobidea suport....and I did this https://www.dropbox.com/s/04vsjcayf1...57.56.png?dl=0 ...yes to stupid question, but it exists


08-05-2018 11:03 AM #31 kristina (Member)

P.S. Thanks to everyone for support!!!!!!!!!


08-05-2018 11:12 AM #32 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
May be too harsh for a newbie
Maybe it sounds little bit harsh but it´s not meant bad at all.
It´s just the truth.
The affiliate marketing world with all the traffic sources, networks and whatever competition is like a shark tank and when you just dip in your feet a little bit here and there and wonder/complain why you don´t see positive results you will get eaten alive.
And in my opinon it won´t help anyone when I tell that everything is fine and you just have to continue that way when in fact it isn´t because the very foundation is not even built properly.
Lack of proper mindset, lack of infrastructure, lack of campaign organization, lack of whatever.
Running paid traffic is no game with play money, you have to use your hard earned real world cash to do it so you better be prepared because you also can get broke when not doing it right.
And when you are not prepared it´s better when someone tells you the honest truth instead of making false hope that could cost you lots of money.
Sure, affiliate marketing itself is no rocket science and the technical and analytical skills to run it can more or less almost everyone learn.
Nontheless the more important thing (in my very own opinion) is the mindset, and when you don´t have it you should form it.
And when you can´t do it then maybe affiliate marketing is not the right match for you.
Often you read "You just have to try harder", "Don´t give up too early and you will succeed", "You only have to test more".
But the reality is that affiliate marketing is just not for everyone and then it´s better to prepare people for it from the very beginning before they risk to spend/loose/waste their real money for it.
It´s just not fair to tell everyone, no matter what they do or how hard they fail, that they can succeed.
Fair would be to be honest and help them to not waste more money.
How often do we read here from newbies that they spent $100 or $200 on a Tier3 $.20 payout offer or so?
And how often do they get replies or post themselves stuff like "You/I didn´t waste the money, you/I bought data from it"?
This is bullshit, you only buy data when you have parameters to work with the data, when you can use the data.
When you spend $200 on a $.2 payout offer without getting any conversions then you didn´t buy data, you just wasted and lost $200.
This post is absolutely not specific towards kristina or only for this thread, it´s more a general statement.
Anyway, sorry for going little bit off topic but I just wanted to explain my previous post a little bit.

So long story short, in my opinion helping a newbie is not equal with telling them to just continue and they will succeed.
For me helping a newbie is to support him/her to get started and when I see that there is a lack of the very basics to be honest and save them from loosing more money.
I can imagine that especially in the beginning it´s very hard to get all things together and that all the new things are very confusing.
Nontheless in the end there are only two groups of people, the ones who fight through it and succeed and the ones who don´t.

Edit: @kristina Do you bid fixed CPM or Smart CPM?
The bids look pretty high.
The offer 16032 from Mobidea takes carrier traffic and WiFi traffic, did you setup separate campaigns for each or do you target all in one campaign?
Or do you only run one of the connection types?


08-06-2018 03:28 PM #33 kristina (Member)

@twinaxe wow, thank you!
In Mobidea - Australia - Sweeps-Cash-16302 I target all in one campaign. And the same time android only.

Another one is the same offer, but different LP and there I target only mac os.

For both Bidding CPM is 2,33 and from the new option "user activity"both are high.
And CPM is just CPM which I believe is fixed one.


08-06-2018 03:48 PM #34 kristina (Member)

Progress.

New offers were not approved yesterday. And I did stupid thing. I removed the total campaign budget in propellerads. (It didn't allow me to run more the same campaign the same day.) So I lost all budget. There was not a lot. But still. One more lesson for the future.
These 24 hours made me one more conversion. This time it is reflected in all networks. But it doesn't make the situation much better I still have to kill these campaigns.
The knowledge I had to gather from doing this as I understand is to read and analyze statistics and then to optimize campaigns. So. The conversion came from MacOs desktop as I . understand from wifi, around 2 am from Australia, by propellerads. Nothing more to analyze except fact that others(mostly android clicked CTA during the day+/-1822 times in total for all campaigns https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j1ikjnq6j...ZRaPyJKLa?dl=0

All offers are approved now. Balance on PropellerAds is 0 and Voluum actually will increase prices only in September. So... I think I will just find money to continue these days.


08-06-2018 03:53 PM #35 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Ok, better is when you split the campaigns.
In one campaign you target only WiFi, in another one only carrier traffic.
Reason is that the costs for both traffictypes can vary alot.
About MacOs, I would skip it for now.
Usually volume for Mac is rather low and prices high.
There are better offers to promote on Mac than sweeps.
Also you absolutely should switch to SmartCPM.
With fixed CPM you pay the same price for all placements, no matter if they are good or not.
With Smart CPM you set a maximum bid and the platform will dynamically adjust the bids per placement.
When you have good converting placements you can set separate bids for specific placements, these would be fixed CPM then but then at least you knw that you want traffic from these placements.
Generally it´s always better to use Smart CPM when the platform supports it because you can save good money with it.

One more thing, I see that you are located in Barcelona.
Do you have a VAT number?
If not you should get one, otherwise you pay too much because you get billed for VAT.
That means when you buy traffic for $100 you get billed $120 because of VAT.

And you should also think about another tracker than Voluum, there is also much potential to save money and when you are little bit tight on budget you should optimize your cashflow and spendings as well.
You can check my thread here https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-The-Beginning

Oh, and you should set up your cost tracking properly, I hope you did not spend $14k for that campaigns


08-06-2018 04:01 PM #36 kristina (Member)

@twinaxe WOW! Thank you very much It is sooo clear! I will take into consideration each point for future


08-07-2018 02:06 AM #37 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Maybe it sounds little bit harsh but it´s not meant bad at all.
It´s just the truth.
Twinaxe my friend - nobody was doubting the truth in your words - some things do need to be said.

However, not everyone can take the 'tough love' approach.

I know many people that decided to give up on something just because, during a time of difficulty, someone was overly critical.

I know that was not your intention, because I've seen how helpful you've been around the forums (immensely grateful for that!) But a new member MAY possibly feel differently - because they may not know you as well, plus written words can be easily be misunderstood without facial expression or tone of voice.

That was why I said what I did. If you'd read my post again, you'd see that I was in agreement with what you said.

I mainly wanted to make sure our comments were being received as encouragement and not criticism.


And in my opinon it won´t help anyone when I tell that everything is fine and you just have to continue that way when in fact it isn´t because the very foundation is not even built properly.

And when you are not prepared it´s better when someone tells you the honest truth instead of making false hope that could cost you lots of money.

Often you read "You just have to try harder", "Don´t give up too early and you will succeed", "You only have to test more".
But the reality is that affiliate marketing is just not for everyone and then it´s better to prepare people for it from the very beginning before they risk to spend/loose/waste their real money for it.
It´s just not fair to tell everyone, no matter what they do or how hard they fail, that they can succeed.
Fair would be to be honest and help them to not waste more money.
How often do we read here from newbies that they spent $100 or $200 on a Tier3 $.20 payout offer or so?
And how often do they get replies or post themselves stuff like "You/I didn´t waste the money, you/I bought data from it"?
This is bullshit, you only buy data when you have parameters to work with the data, when you can use the data.
Agree with most of what you said. But would like to point out a few things as well.

It's no secret that one needs to spend money to make money. There are MANY posts on this forum where veterans have explicitly stated that it would likely require at least a few thousands of dollars in spend just to learn the trade - with no promise of consistent income at the end of that spending.

We veteran affiliate marketers - mods and experienced members are here to help people lose less money in the process. It is NOT our duty to decide whether affiliate marketing is right for them or not.

THAT they have already decided for themselves when they signed up to the forum.

Everybody that signs up on the forums has the potential to make it big. We are here to provide support, not sound doom-and-gloom.

You mentioned the importance of being honest and keeping it real - in reality, there are people that are doing well, and people that aren't.

And indeed, with consistent testing and effort, many newbies are able to achieve xx-xxx/day in pop still.

So why don't we focus on the positive and point the road to success, instead of filling posts with warning and discouragement (however well-meaning)? Since both exist and are real.

As for "You just have to try harder", "Don´t give up too early and you will succeed", "You only have to test more".

I don't know about you, but I personally BELIEVE in these statements 100%.

I would not be telling people so if I didn't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE NOT to improve if a person sticks with something for long enough. (OK - some endeavors are hopeless - but this is certainly not the case with affiliate marketing - at least not yet!)

Failure is just giving up before you succeed. That makes perfect sense to me.

Not testing enough is one of the biggest reasons of failure for many affiliates. I'm speaking from several years' worth of experience with coaching newbies on this forum and in the 6WAMC.

Some affiliates need to be gently prodded again and again until they finally start to test extensively - and in many cases that's the time they would start to see success.

If an affiliate has tested lots of things but nothing is working, then it must be because they're doing something fundamentally wrong - and this is what we're here to diagnose and fix.

Lastly - if a newbie spends $100 or $200 on a low payout offer like you said, for sure it's too much to spend on a low-payout offer.

But did you not make that mistake too when you were a newbie? I sure did!

Often, by the time they reported that in their follow-along, they had ALREADY spent the money. So what could we do?

Nothing we could say or do would get that money back. And in the beginning mistakes WILL be made - but I say it was well-spent, because they paid that money to learn a valuable lesson.

And with our advice and guidance, they would know not to make that mistake again.

If you've seen a follow-along where I or any other mod or experienced member EXPLICITLY said "it's OK, you had to spend $100-200 to collect enough data for this low-payout offer", please kindly let me know - because that wouldn't be right.

Chances are, what we said was "it's OK to make this mistake because you're new - but next time, know that it's not necessary to spend so much on a low-payout offer".

Again - I know you mean well, and so do I. I'm not here to pick a fight or start an argument. If my comment about your words being too harsh for a newbie made you uncomfortable, I apologize. It's just that I'm very proud of STM and what we've achieved together. And helping out newbies is my passion - so if I'm being over-protective like a mother hen, or a bit defensive of my approach to guiding newbies in follow-alongs, I can't really help it - because our community means THAT much to me.

Sorry for the rant and for hijacking Kristina's thread. Twinaxe I really enjoy working together to help out newer members. Words can't express my gratitude for all the knowledge you've been sharing here. If you ever plan on going to an AWC (AWE/AWA) please let me know - treating you to dinner would be the least I can do.



Amy


08-07-2018 02:44 AM #38 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Sorry about that rant Kristina - Let's get back on track!

Twinaxe's advice on your campaigns is on point as always.

Regarding Smart CPM: I also support running Smart CPM in the beginning, because this way you'll get traffic from the largest range of placements possible. (When I wrote the 40-day tutorial PropellerAds did not have Smart CPM yet - I need to update the tutorial sometime - keep trying to find time every week but new projects keep coming up. Will get around to that ASAP.)

Basically this is the way bidding works on most pop networks:

-Smart CPM: This is like ordering the "tasting menu" at many restaurants, where you get to sample a small portion of each of a bunch of different dishes. In the beginning when you first start running in a geo on a traffic network, and don't know which placements are good/bad, this would be a good way to "sample" traffic from as many placements as possible.

-Fixed CPM: If you bid low you'll get more traffic from lower-quality placements. If you bid high you'll get more traffic from higher-quality placements. This is because other bidders, after running traffic for a while, will cut bad placements and bid higher for good placements.

Once you've run Smart CPM for some time and know which placements are good and bad, you can either 1)set up a whitelist campaign for just the good placements, with higher bid(s), or 2)set up a blacklist campaign with the bad placements blacklisted, with higher bid(s).

That way you'd get more traffic from the good placements.


Twinaxe has provided some very good ways to save money - hope to see you back in September to give this another try! As Maynzie has pointed out, the beginning is the hardest. You've already come so far learning about tracking and affiliate networks and landing pages etc. - you just need to learn how to test strategically and systematically - and my link a few posts back contains a simple test strategy. So you're all set.




Amy


08-30-2018 03:51 PM #39 kristina (Member)

I said I will be back and I am back. So, waiting for a new account approvement in FunnelFlux, taking a part in a mastermind, ready for 1000 more experiments in order to get conversions


08-30-2018 05:35 PM #40 flexmaster (Member)

Rooting for you Kristina


08-31-2018 05:10 PM #41 kristina (Member)

Hot day! In the end of the day I decided to change tracker to Binom. It is soooo hard to understand what and how to change!!! God bless they have an amazing support!!!!! But I believe before my first campaigns I have to reconnect a lot!


09-01-2018 05:13 AM #42 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Welcome back kristina! And I heard a lot of good things about Binom. Looking forward to seeing some campaign stats when you're ready to run campaigns!



Amy


09-01-2018 04:13 PM #43 kristina (Member)

So...all settings were done and it is time to face changes in the working process.

May I ask if someone familiar with Binom?

There are quite clear instructions. But I still confused regarding some things.

Here I am creating an offer.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0d5wwny93...czYOJaVma?dl=0

Seems to be right.

But the question is if in Amy´s guide it was clear what and how to change in the link (for example)
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?data1=Track1&data2=Track2&data3={clic kid}

"4)Go to the Offers Spreadsheet you compiled yesterday. Copy the first link in the "Original Offer Link" column and paste it into the "Final Offer Link" in the same row. The link should look like this:

http://www.rotationurls.com/offer/12...nt={sub_subID}

Now for the link in the "Final Offer Link", replace:

data1=Track1&data2=Track2&tag={External_ID_from_tr affic_source}

With:

data4={campaign.id}&data5={trafficsource.id}&tag={ clickid}
(IMPORTANT: Please take out the space between the start bracket and the "clickid" - it's not supposed to be there. This is a vBulletin glitch.)

And delete this part:

&website={subID}&placement={sub_subID}

So that the final offer link would look like:

http://www.rotationurls.com/offer/12...&tag={clickid}

Copy this link.
"

Then in Binom it explained as:
8. Paste the link copied from the aff.network. In our case it’s - http://simstrx.com/?a=14857&c=63877&s1=
9. Add the token {clickid} after the &s1= parameter. When you go to the offer, the tracker will replace this token with a unique click ID, which will give the opportunity to receive Postback into the tracker with the conversion rate on the offer. Also replace the &s1=parameter to &s2= in the reference (aff. networks don’t allow to pass the clickid in s1 on this system). In the end, we will get this link:
http://simstrx.com/?a=14857&c=63877&s2={clickid}


Am I right that in terms of work with the link
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?data1=Track1&data2=Track2&data3={clic kid}
The result will be
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?{clickid}
Or it should be
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/?a=138855&c=16302&s2={clickid}
Thank you in advance


09-03-2018 08:55 AM #44 kristina (Member)

Ok, I didn´t wait for any replies and completed this campaign. It was pretty easy to do all steps if we do not consider the fact that I am not sure id I am using right slots. or if i used it in the right way. The first try of kind of old offer took 10 USD.


AND I did something wrong.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hfwb00htl...kve6bB_Ja?dl=0


09-03-2018 01:36 PM #45 kristina (Member)

Today another campaign. Of course no conversions, but seems like it works correct now
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bn12nlpn7...ZmWRa27wa?dl=0


09-03-2018 02:17 PM #46 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Not using Binom unfortunately, so can't help you, but quite a few people switched to that tracker ... hopefully someone can assist you.


09-04-2018 05:19 AM #47 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Am I right that in terms of work with the link
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?data1=Track1&data2=Track2&data3={clic kid}
The result will be
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?{clickid}
Or it should be
https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/?a=138855&c=16302&s2={clickid}
Thank you in advance
Wow - VERY thorough screenshots! Thank you kristina!

I haven't used Binom either, but I've heard that it's very similar to Voluum. And as far as I can tell, you've set up everything correctly - EXCEPT the offer link.

The example you've quoted, with the s2={clickid}, is the format of CAKE affiliate platforms. Mobidea does not use CAKE, so their tracking parameters are different.

Binom's documentation is very impressive - they even show you how to integrate postbacks on individual affiliate networks.

https://docs.binom.org/faq.php#67 <-- Click to the expand the "Postbacks / Conversions" section and you'll see:



Also: This page lists all the tokens you can append to the offer url - when setting up a new offer in binom:

https://docs.binom.org/create-offer.php


So - let's take your aff link as an example. You can insert this into binom as the offer:

https://www.rotatemyurls.com/offer/138855|16302?data1={campaign}&data2={trafficsource }&data3={clickid}

({campaign} and {trafficsource} are not mandatory, but I would suggest doing that - just in case the aff network finds a problem with lead quality and can tell you which specific traffic source or campaign is responsible for the bad quality, so you can still run on other traffic sources for example.)

Then you can insert this postback url into Mobidea's postback settings:

http://tracker/click.php?cnv_id={{DATA3}}&payout={{MONEY}}

Note I'm using DATA3 instead of the DATA1 in the binom documentation's example. You can really use any parameter - data1 or data2 or data3 etc. - as long as you use the same token in the postback, as the parameter you're using in the offer link to pass the {clickid}. Because I used data3={clickid} in the offer link, we need to pass cnv_id={{DATA}} in the postback as well.

(Also note that in some aff network systems, the first variable is static - best to NOT use that to pass the {clickid}. This is why I have a habit of not using s1 or data1 - I would use s2 or s3 or s4 or data2 or data3 or data4 etc.)


I know it's very confusing, but the good news is you only need to figure this out once.

If you want to really, truly understand all this, there are threads that go into detail on how tracking works. If you have time to read long threads let me know and I'll point you to them.



Amy
(P.S. vbulletin sucks - it shows spaces in some of the urls above when there should not be. Please know that they shouldn't be there.)


09-04-2018 07:00 AM #48 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Hi Kristina, I use Binom for all my campaigns and can probably help you a bit.
Right now I am online on my phone so I will check back when I am online on my PC.


09-15-2018 02:58 PM #49 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Sorry, totally forgot to reply.
If you still have questions about Binom setup just drop me a PM


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