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Campaign Guide: Finance Survey Feed (with a gift) (55)

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Unluckily it seems that the BR casino offer from my last guide doesn´t accept new affiliates at the moment.

There were some discussions recently about the "Finance Survey Feed" offers from Zeydoo so I thought a guide how to run these offers could be nice for all of you who can´t run the casino offer now (and of course for everyone else, too).

I also have a little gift for you to make it much easier to test the offer fast and effective, more about it later.

These feeds are interesting because they have a rather unique flow.

For everyone who doesn´t know these offers:



The offer is a short survey and the conversion happens when the user answers all questions - That´s all!

No SOI, no DOI, no Pin submit, no click2call or click2sms, nothing.

The user only has to complete the survey!

You see, the flow is very easy.

Now let´s talk about the good and the bad sides of such offers.

Good is that the easy flow can lead to easy conversions.
Bad is that because of such flow the payouts are pretty low.

But the offer accepts traffic from all countries so there´s lots of opportunities to run it.

I did some quick tests in few geos myself to test the offer before I write the guide.

Yes, it´s definitely converting.
No, it´s not working in all geos.

Ok, enough boring talk for now, let´s go through the campaign setup.

On Zeydoo there are 3 of the Finance Survey Feed offers: 1203, 1454 and 2025.

I recommend to use 2025 because it´s the newest of these three.

You can run the offer on pop and push traffic.

For pop traffic there´s not much to say, just send traffic to the landing page and check if your targeting works.

For push just use simple creatives like

Title: You have (1) new message
Text: Click here to earn $1100 per day

Title: Earn $1100 Per Day
Text: Answer 7 questions to qualify

Title: Do you need money?
Text: Click here to earn $1100 per day

As icons I always like to test with message icons but also grab some money icons from Google.

Just search for "money icon" and you have plenty of icons to choose from.



I always test first without a big image but when you want to test big images I recommend 2 options:

1. Pictures of money.

Just search for "money", "money png" or "money clipart" on Google imagesearch and you find lots of money images to use.





2. Pictures of rich people or people with money

Here it´s important that you try to use somewhat localized images depending on the geo that you run.

If you run in an African country use images from African people.
If you run in India use images from Indians.
If you run in an Mexico use images from Mexicans.
And so further and so fort...

The Gift: I give you my personal landing page

I got the idea for the LP from THIS THREAD and customized it then a bit.

You can download the landing page HERE

What makes the LP so special is that it the language is dynamic and it autotranslates based on the browser language of the user so you can use the same LP for many different geos without changing anything.

The offer page itself is available in EN, ES, PT, ID, TH, IT, DE, FR, NL, PH, VN, MY, RU and ARABIC so I prepared the landing page with all of these languages.

Only Arabic is missing because there it has to be from right to left so I skipped it.

You still have 13 languages available, this should be good for many tests in many geos.

If you want to add more languages it´s easy doable in the translates.js file.

The landing page also has a very high CTR because the whole LP is clickable.

Campaign Setup:

For testing use push traffic and target high user activity/user freshness.

You don´t need that high volume for the tests, the LP has a really high CTR so that enough users will click to the offer anyway.

The key here is to test many different geos to find your winners and to do so it´s more effective and cheaper to run on higher quality and maybe lower volume to check for rough potential.

In case of success you can still scale later.

Targeting is Android 4-Android 11, WiFi and 3G and for browsers target Chrome, FB browser, Samsung browser .

You don´t need to spend much on the tests, the payouts are low and it´s only 1 LP and 1 offer.

Because of the low payouts you can also cut placements pretty fast.

Before you spend too much time on specific tests it´s better to be fast and test many different geos to find one or more winners.

When you found good converting geos open the targrting a bit and also test on lower activity and freshness levels.

With these offers you can get many conversions pretty fast so that you also can use the data then for your blacklists and whitelists.

Additionally you should also run the converting geos on pops, if possible test also CPA Goal or SmartCPA campaigns.

That way you can get much more volume.

Ok, basically that´s all you need to know to run these offer.

Now it´s time for some bonus tips:

- Test different images on the LP
- Test with a flag of the country you run as LP image
- There are also dating and betting survey offers on Zeydoo. It´s very easy to customize the LP for these offers so you could test them as well
- Use the offer to get many cheap conversions that you can use for a rough global BL and WL
- Try to find geos with high volume, low bids and comparatively high payouts in relation to the bids
- Add push subscription scripts to the lander and backbutton for additional ncome streams

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Okay, I'll bite, why $1.100 per day?

Why not $1,100?

Or even $1100 ?

On that note, I'll share a random copy trick: Try ending with the number 3

Earn up to $1,103 per day!

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Habits and inattention, in Germany we use a "." as thousands separator.

Will update the post and LP when I am back on my PC.

Listen up guys and gals, you know what to do

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Excellent @twinaxe Thank you. Do you recommend trying several countries in the same campaign in Push cpc and Pop Smartcpm?

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@jmor21 No, better run only one country per campaign.

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Perfect, Thank you

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Awesome, thanks for this guide

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The awesome @twinaxe strikes again!



Amy

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They started with .99. Then, I thought prices had to end with 7.
Where does the 3 come from?

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I could imagine that the .99 and .x7 also depends a bit on the country.

Here in Germany .x7 is pretty uncommon but .99 and .95 is more often.

From @jaybots weird mind

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.99 is regular price at Costco. .97 is sale pricing. .88 and .00 are closeout, time to get rid of inventory pricing.

Just here dropping tidbits of random, useless trivia.

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When I share some of my not-that-important facts and my wife then says it´s useless knowledge I always say "There is no such thing as useless knowledge"

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And yet, you’re all still talking about it and wondering about it.

Interesting how that works

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It's not what you think it is.

With this

I meant:

It's from jaybot, forget it ASAP!!!

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You’re mean.

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Sorry mate, didn´t want to hurt your feelings.

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Alright alright. Listen up, kids.

A good article on odd-even pricing:


https://www.profitwell.com/recur/all/odd-even-pricing


Biggest benefit is of course impulse buying and encouraging to spend more. Ending in 0.99 is discount and 0.95 signals luxury.


But there’s a bit more.


if you price your products with stupid exact numbers, like $158.27”, then the buyer subconsciously thinks, “Shit, they must have spent a lot of effort to find that price, they’re not fucking around!”


Alright, but why 3?


I don’t know. Perhaps because most of the above has been exploited for years and 3 is new? Or because it’s just weird. But I would definitely test it. You may be surprised to see the results.

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I always used exact odd and precise numbers when BSing owned lead collection forms, and for that very reason. I figured it would make it sound more precise and researched to the viewer.

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Another reason is that the price then seems to be lower.

$1.99 sounds more like $1 than $2

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Yeah. That’s in the article.

JCPenny (do they still exist?) figured that out in 1900.

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I was too lazy and didn´t read the article

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I see you moved into native arbitrage

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I just tried that those offers on Canada GEO, got more than 400 clicks and 0 conversions (direct linking).

What could I have done wrong?


(I know that direct linking is not optimal, but I find it very odd that from 400 people none of them have answered a simple poll! I wanted to test the offer before venturing on making a pre-lander)

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Why didn't you test the landing page that I provided?

Can have several reasons.

Maybe CA traffic is just not converting good for that offer.

Apart from that, did you check in Zeydoo if the offer received your traffic?

If not then maybe there's something wrong with your tracking.

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The absence of a landing page can have a devastating effect on the campaign performance, especially with some offer types. Do not skip this step, it gives you one more opportunity to presell the offer, use it. The right landing page can literally take your conversion rate from 1% to 10%, I've seen that happen so many times.

I understand you wanted to run some tests quickly, but since twinaxe literally linked to a thread that shows the exact type of lander you need, you shouldn't skip this step. Don't be lazy, all of your competitors are running landers, you need to do the same if you want to stand a chance at making profit.

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Not only this, I even give away my own custom LP that I use for the offer.

There's not much more I can do

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And to be honest, 400 people in CA is

a) not a lot

b) probably more like 120 people after clickloss.

c) expensive af Tier 1.5 geo, if you are still testing, do some cheaper geos first.

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WTF why isn't every single living newbie storming in and sinking their teeth in?

I've not run push/pop for a long while but goddamn this is spoonfeeding with a platinum spoon. It's free real estate.

Eh, you know what? Screw it.

Yo @zeno care to sponsor 'ole shishev with a tracker? I wanna show these newbies what they're missing out on.

Just signed up to Zeydoo, too.

It's been a while.

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Ask me something easier.

You know, usually I don't even like to spoonfeed that much and rather expect some work from the users but from time to time I think that a real campaign blueprint can be nice.

I also don't get why not more users are at least trying it.

Or maybe more people are testing but prefer to keep it for themselves.
That's also something I've seen few times already.

That's a great idea, probably also a good opportunity to show how to rock it with FunnelFlux.
When you have any questions just message me, I am happy when I can help.

When you need contact at Zeydoo just let me know and I can connect you.

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Why yes kind sir, will DM you with details!

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@twinaxe: I kept the original campaign running. Disabled the "Do you need money" creative in the original campaign, then launched another new campaign with that "Do you need money" creative.

Should I restart everything from the beginning with 2 separate campaigns as your recommendation above. How about the 2nd creative. Should I just drop it and focus on the 1st and 3rd creative split test.

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@twinaxe help me understand please, once the camp is running is it as simple as any placement that has spend 1x pay out so in this case it could be as low as 0.03, we turn off the placement, just seems like too insignificant data to make any sort of decision

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The reason for the test is that you shall find out which creative is making more profit.

It´s not only about CTR or impressions or CPA, the only really important number is the profit.

It could be creative 1 because it has the highest CTR and receives most volume.
In this case it could result in higher profit because although the CPA is higher = lower CR it would generate more traffic and more conversions at lower ROI.

It also could be creative 3 because although it has a lower CTR and will receive less volume it has the lowest CPA.
This could result in higher profit because although the volume is lower and the conversions would be less it has a lower CPA so you would make more profit per conversion.

You could even run such a splittest with separate campaigns for all three creatives, then you would also have stats for the second creative which is basically a compromise of the other 2 creatives because it has higher CTR but also higher CPA than the last one and lower CTR but also lower CPA than the first one.

When you test them in 1 campaign together then the first creative will receive most volume and when the difference in CTR is too high then the other creatives will run dry after some time.

This is why I better like to test such stuff in separated campaigns.

It may look too insignificant but when the offer payout is so low you also have to cut at such low adspend.

It doesn´t matter if you run low or high payouts, your goal is always to run on profit and not on loss so it just doesn´t make sense to keep placements running till they are $-1 in loss for a $0.03 payout just to get more stats.

With such low payouts it´s all about volume so you need high traffic geos to make it really worth it, cut low performers aggressive and try to keep enough volume running from the good converting placements.

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@twinaxe: I split 3 creatives in 3 separate campaigns as your advice and below is the result after 3 days
Creative 1

Creative 2

Creative 3


And below is there performance view in Voluum

Exactly as you said, after separating the creatives in different campaigns, the creative 1 now become the worst performer. Creative 2 and 3 now show similar performance from profit point of view (by looking at the Voluum) but from the traffic source I can see the Creative 3 has higher CTR and CR. Should I stick to Creative 3 from now on ?

I think the next step will be trying different icon, then trying different big images with winning icon right ?

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@twinaxe: I have some more questions .

When testing the original icon vs new different icons, do you test them in one campaigns or create a new campaign with new icons.

I'm also running the offer on another geo. Below is the creative performance



Based on the statistic info I turned of the 3rd creative because it has lowest CTR and CR
Between creative 1 and 2, creative 1 has higher CTR, lower CR and higher CPA. Do you think I have enough data to turn off the creative 1 or should I proceed with a split test between these 2 creatives. I'm always confused when encountering this situation (one creative has higher CTR but lower CR and CPA). Is there any clear indicator/best practice to decide whether to pick the winning creative or take another spit test round. For example, can I pick the creative with lowest lost/highest profit because at the end we are only interested in the profit.

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I´m happy that you did the test because in the end nothing can verify a claim as good as resultst that prove it

You can now directly see why it´s important to not only focus on one specific metric or so.

In the original campaign creative 1 would have gotten more volume and creative 3 would have dried up.

That´s why I always say it´s important to compare auch stuff in separate campaigns so that the two test creatives don´t compete against each other in the same campaign so that they both can receive same volume.

Yes, I would do it.

Test few variations of that creative with different icon, little bit different text, with/without big image.

When results are similar to the first campaign you can also run a separate test for some of the new creatives if needed, when all creatives perform similar continue with the 2 best ones.
Check their performance from time to time to see if results stay similar or if performances changes after they receive some volume.

Once you have a good winning creative don´t waste much more time on it and rather take care of scaling.

Usually I test different creatives in the same campaign.

But in a situation as before when one creative has highest CTR and receives most volume but another creative converts better but wouldn´t receive enough volume I better split them in separate campaigns.

That´s ok.

Situation is similar as before so I would also test them in separate campaigns.

These tests doesn´t have to be that long, it´s just check if the better converting creative receives enough volume when it doesn´t have to compete with the other creative.

Unluckily I don´t have clear indicators or strict rules for it.

Each campaign can be different from the previous one so I decide rather dynamic.

That´s why I always say it´s important to understand the system so that you can make such decisions then yourself.

You are absolutely correct that in the end we are only interested in the profit.

The problem here is that the creative with the lowest CPA and highest conversion rate doesn´t necessarily also bring the highest profit.

When the creatives CTR is too low that it doesn´t get enough traffic then the highest ROI won´t get you anywhere.

That´s why it´s important to not only go for the highest ROI and not only for the highest CTR but rather find the best compromise that results in highest profit.

Btw, your texts are much better readable than in the beginning

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Hey just curious, did you purposely leave out Android 11?

Or did Android 11 users not produce conversions?

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Sorry for that, probably a typo because I also targeted Android 11 in the test campaigns.

Will change the opening post.



I just checked and Android 11 also doesn´t work that good but I guess this is also a bit dependent on the geo you run.

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@twinaxe: I'm back with some more data

Continued with our last discussion, I picked the creative 3, and continue doing another split test using different big images. Below is the split test result



I'm now considering between the first and the last creatives because the last one has much lower traffic but much higher CTR, similar CR and CPA. Do you think is it necessary to create 2 separate campaigns to split test these 2 creatives.

I'm very appreciate your patience with my English.

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Don´t spend too much time on it, use the original creative for the campaign.

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Hi @twinaxe, Thanks for sharing this with us. The "fonts" folder and the "fontawesome-all.min.js" file are necessary? because those two are very heavy and make Prelanding load a bit slower.

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You can remove them. "fontawesome-all.min.js" contains a SVG version of the fontawesome libary, and from what I see, the lander does not contain fontawesome icons. As far as the fonts directory, it is not called by the lander.

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You can just remove the fonts, the images and the js folder.

The LP doesn´t need them.

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Hello :-)


A few weeks ago I played around with this offer - but without any success.
Thanks a lot @twinaxe for this great thread and giving away the lander.


As some payouts were raised last weekend and this offer is available for iOS and windows now too I would like to give it another try - and hopefully will get some learnings.


I did some optimizations (as mentioned in the last posts and a optimization guide in the tutorials here), the LP is loading Below 1sec now.
Besides I created an LP in Arabic language.
Added a Monetizer push subscriber link in a backbutton script.


I am running the android offer (2025) and have chosen popads for a first test, checked the traffic inventory and looked for countries with most traffic and tried to find some countries with good bids for the offer...


I concentrated most on the countries with raised payouts.
I am very unsure about setting the right bid.


These are my chosen countries with payouts and my chosen bids:


i tried to bid more than the average but hopefully not too low?!


ID Payout 0.010 bid 0.0015 (average bid 0.0008 top60%) Spent (too less): $2.5
IN Payout 0.024 bid 0.001 (average bid 0.0008547 top50%) Spent $5
PH Payout 0.034 bid 0.001 (average bid 0.000525 top60%) Spent $5
SA Payout 0.155 bid 0.002 (average bid 0.000746 top60%) Spent $10
PE Payout 0.04 bid 0.001 (average bid 0.0019 top60%) Spent $5
RO Payout 0.138 bid 0.002 (average bid 0.000872 top50%) Spent $10
BR payout 0.053 bid 0.025 (average bid 0.00215 top50%) Spent $10

I have chosen primespot only and non-adblock only. Chosen website quality as mentioned above.


ID still run out of budget now - in less than 15 minutes i think - with 2 conversions and only red placements. I didnt even had a chance to cut placements... (but that wouldnt have helped). Did i bid too high?


Tried a new campaign with lower bid and changed website quality:
ID Payout 0.010 bid 0.0005 (average bid 0.000295 top70%) Spent $5


All offers pending for review now...


That’s for now :-)
Thanks a lot
Frank

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Hello :-)
It took a while to run all campaigns on popads for me, but here are my results.
I was very unsure about the bids (mentioned in the last post).
But finally I decided to reduce most of them.
I tried to have at least 5000 impressions and bid above the average bid.
These were my changed bids (and popads settings):


PH Payout 0.034. bid 0.0007 (average bid 0.000525 top60%) Spent $5
SA Payout 0.155. bid 0.002 (average bid 0.000746 top60%) Spent $5 (but less than 5000 impressions, only few traffic)
PE Payout 0.04. bid 0.0007 (average bid 0.0004 top70%) Spent $5
RO Payout 0.138. bid 0.0015 (average bid 0.000872 top80%) Spent $5
BR payout 0.053. bid 0.001 (average bid 0.0012 top50%) Spent $5


Would be happy about some feedback.


I cutted the placements at 2x payout. I had the feeling that it’s quiet “unfair” to cut at 1x payout and wanted to give the placements more chance. Placements with traffic but no clicks (or a few clicks) I cutted earlier.


Finally all countries were unprofitable for me except PH.


PH is still running (with more money of course). I am in profit for the last 30 days now (3,65%… wohooh ;-), but still in loss for the whole campaign (11,xx%)… but getting better. I think I did the mistake that I watched the first incoming traffic too late, so I had too much loss in the beginning.
I am still cutting some placements day by day. Perhaps it would be better to whitelist instead blacklisting!? I don’t know, but it’s interesting to let the campaign running and see how it goes.


By the way I cutted so much placements on this campaign, that there is only a few traffic left… it is running very slowly.


Besides that I copied the PH campaign and ran it with a higher bid. I changed the bid from 0.0007 to 0.0017. (I read that is Would be useful to change the bid in higher steps, because we want the traffic from more expensive placements only). But it didn’t work for me and was unprofitable by -83%.


Also I tried to run this PH campaign on Propellerads. But the average bid was quite higher. I ran the campaign at a bid of $2.265. This was also unprofitable (-77%). This was my first try of scaling… but I don’t know how I could scale a campaign which is only profitable for me at 0.0007usd.
Of course I could try to use the same bid on propellerads, but I am unsure if this makes sense.


I also tried the new iOS finance survey offer on popads, There are just a few countries available, so I tried all of them, but all were completely unprofitable by more than 90%!
These were my bids (and popads settings)


AU Australia $0.500 all websites 0.0025 (av bid 0.0020)
GB United Kingdom $0.361 – 90% websites 0.004 (av bid 0.0035)
CA Canada $0.294 – all websites 0.004 (av bid 0.002778)
ES Spain $0.258 – 80% websites 0.002 (av bid 0.001547)
US United States $0.191 – 60% websites 0.003 (av bid 0.00229)
BR Brazil $0.041 80% websites – 0.0008 (av bid 0.000651)
IN India $0.034 - 90% websites 0.0007 (av bid 0.000527)


In general I am wondering why zeydoo is changing the payouts to a higher amount for some countries (Android offer), so these countries must be successful for other media buyers, but not for me. I don’t know what I could do to make it profitable too.


That’s for now. I would be very happy about some advices :-)


Best
Frank

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Moin Frank, what kind of feedback do want?

You only posted bids and how much you spent but nothing about the outcome

When it´s about the bids, when you want to test campaigns to see if they work it´s better to bid a bit higher and receive conversions than bidding too low and don´t receive conversions because you missed the pockets of good traffic

No worries, just cut them at 1 payout.

Placements are used to it and you won´t hurt their feelings

Seriously, when you run such low payout offers they have to convert very good to make it worth it so cuttiung aggressive is a good approach here.

Unluckily that happens.

When the offer only converts not good enough and we can´t bid higher or let placements run for longer when we want to stay profitable then there´s not much we can do.

As long as it doesn´t make work just keep it running.

Didn´t see these offers yet.

I also saw yesterday that the payout for one geo that I run got increased by $0.05.

Don´t worry about this, for each campaign/offer/vertical that works for others and works for you as well there are thousand campaigns/offers/verticals that work for others but not for you.

It doesn´t only happen to you, it´s same for everyone of us

Did you also add a script to your backbutton and a push sub script on your LP?

This can help alot when you run so low payout offers, with enough volume the additional profit can add up pretty nice.

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It isn't about being fair, it is about making money. Sure, you will cut some placements at 1x that would have eventually been profitable. But you are also going to cut a lot of placements that were just going to suck up 1x more money from you.

Again, it isn't about being fair. If it was about being fair, there would be no such thing as poor, money sucking placements. Because almost every network has some that are just bad across the board.

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@twinaxe or other members who have used this offer.
I tried to run this on PropellerAds, but got rejected
Something about misleading copy... I guess this is about the offer after the original 'financial survey'
Probably just try another network? Any suggestions?

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Maybe ask Zeydoo for advice. They run a lot of volume on it and should be able to give you tips.

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Have you used a lander?

If so you can ask propeller's support what is wrong with your lander or creatives. Sometimes it is really tiny things.

I ran the finance offer for several month on propeller basically with twinaxe's lander (of course gave it a bit of my own flavour). No problems at all.

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Nope, just wanted to test this with direct traffic, but I guess I could just get a lander between this.

Thx, will try that.

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In case you need some more inspiration, you can find it here: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...twinaxe-recipe

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Did you try pops or push?

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Was pop.
But solved like @larsometer suggested. Just put a lander between it and campaign went live :-)

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Alright, keep us updated about the results.

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