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Don Mining Gold (40)

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I hope you love the thread title

I focus on adult dating and I am 2-3 months in the game. I am incorporating the business and I am moving out of the city, so I am not going to post anything in this follow-along for at least a week or two. But once my bank is ready with the current account, and my Paxum is setup and what not, I will be back to update my progress here.

In the past few months I have made some inconsistent progress. I made a placement work in 2-3 geos for a while and reached $50-$100 a day for a few weeks breaking even my total cost spent so far. Then the CR dropped and I still wonder why, should test more i guess to get CR back up again or the advertiser is optimizing my campaigns decreasing my CR

I was working a job in parallel, but now I took everything I have saved doing slowlane job for a year and I am going to go all in on affiliate marketing for the foreseeable future.

My longterm goal is to build affiliate marketing into a x,xxx per day business and understand the industry. And then use the capital to build a B2B technology company. With affiliate marketing I am learning cashflow, accounts, hardwork, ad-tech industry and of course marketing. And I want to use all that knowledge to build a HUGE technology business. 5 years down the line I mean.

Enough wishful thinking haha, but I will update here soon.
I hope you folks are doing sexy as fuck, feel free to say hi

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Ah nevermind. I will start documenting from today.

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Learn how to quickly check all traffic in 10 minutes and fastly see health of all campaigns (I always get lazy with this and lose a lot of money). Need to do this multiple times a day whenever i have to. And this should be QUICK.
• Make a ton of new banners without direct ripping. And upload them into TJ for test. Upload everywhere but start test only in high traffic NTV placements. Use the following guides for inspiration -
  
  • https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...c-My-Ramblings
  • https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Y-inspiration)

What I did well

• Was pretty fast at checking existing campaign performance.
• Got a ton of images to edit rotating and static banners. Not sure which 25 or so i should pick in-order to test.

What I did not do well (To improve next time)

• Speed and focus. I think if i was more focused and fast I could have got twice the things done.

PS: I am listening to this song when i feel a little tired and cant focus. Works like magic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zxd4t0QLm0&t=2817s

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A few doubts i have today:
- What difference will it make in my campaign if i use CDN for all the images. Will it be a big difference in CR?
- Is there any benefit of using https:// (SSL certificate) in my landing page? Will that help CR?
- What is the best frequency cap to start testing adult desktop in TJ. Shall i start at 1,2 or 3?

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Hello again, I already posted in your other thread, but let me ask your questions here too

Could have been banner burnout, bidding/competition problem or even an advertiser scrubbing you ... the only thing you can do in such a situation, is to test more banners, LPs, offers, networks/advertisers ...

Ambitious goals, hopefully you can turn them into reality

This is very needed, you need to keep an eye on your campaigns, especially when running in high trafficked spots ... just don't overdo this, give the campaigns time and act based on a significant amount of data.

Don't just rip, tweak them, that's what everyone should do! Not sure about testing in the most competitive spots, since you mentioned your budget was kinda low, right?

This is not really needed in dating when using banner clicks, they will wait a second.

In my opinion, there is no benefit in it.

Start with 1-2, then increase to get more traffic to a proven funnel.

Good luck

Matej.

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@Matuloo
Woah thanks man. Those pretty much covered all my doubts.

Yes, i have to do more testing.

Yes. I have been ripping so much since i started. Yesterday I got tons of images (Over 400) from sites like nakedmilfs.pic, nastypornpics.com, thechive.com, g.e-hentai.org and amateurgfpics.net. Today I will be making them into banners and then I will upload into the ad network.

About the budget, well... its not extremely low. A few thousands in the account at the moment. I know a few NTV spots that are running near breakeven, so I dont think I will go broke running in those spots. Basically, I wanted to run in high traffic spots to get faster feedback. Also I am interested in NTV's because volume looks good to make money. When I ran in low traffic spots it took ages to get any data, and it felt like the data is not significant when its happening over weeks.

Thanks man, again for the helpful reply. Now I will get to my Day#2

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Continue where i left off. Make ton of new banners and upload into TJ. When making banners focus on what i should upload and where i should upload to get good split test data.
• Then start some fresh new banner tests (I am not focusing on lander optimizations right now, current lander is decent i think)

What I did well

• Uploaded a gigantic number of banners. I took 4 types of copy, 4 types of style and 10 sets of images to make 135-150 rotating images. I was able to do this quite quickly by making a template in Photoshop which i can edit quite quickly.
• I also converted these 100+ rotating banners into 300+ static banners and uploaded that to TJ as well
• I was quicker than usual.

What I did not do well

• I dont have a large variety of banners. Usually I get variety by ripping others banners, but the way i made banners today was to take 3-4 proven copies and just changed the pictures and style/color of the banner. I felt like I was just being robotic without thinking a lot, because my only goal was to upload banners before the long weekend for TJ.

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Didn't you just start a thread about how to spy on low budget? That's why I assumed your budget was low ... couple thousands is a different story

NTVs have the most volume yes, so your thinking is right, the tests will run pretty fast.

Looking forward to your results

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Few questions just about things I noticed you didnt mention

What tracker are you using?
Voluum is hands down the best, but it can get pretty expensive if you're doing a lot of low ROI clicks. Check out funnelflux and Thrive as you'll be able to scale with these easily without $$$ getting crazy

What geos are you targeting?
Tier One (USA, UK, AU etc) are going to have a ton of competition and high CPC's, lot of traffic so you can scale up to big numbers. Weirder Tier Three countries wont get as much attention from the big buyers as the profit/volume is potentially lower, but easier to find a first campaign that's profitable.

What networks are you working with?

How many landers are you testing? rotating a few at once?

Are you testing different styles of images on banners?
You'd be suprised how the weirder/ugly stuff works. Definitely check out cartoon banners and include them in a test.

Spying on a big range of sites, with different ad networks?
If you're clicking around from the pornhub sites, all the banners will be similiar e.g. from exoclick. Be sure to browser around further afield to find a good spy list. chaturbate.com worth a look as there are some quality affiliates still making $$$ there.

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Great questions, all of them, I was kinda hoping Don would give us more info down the line, but I'm glad you asked all of those questions now

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@nickpeplow
Yeah, I didn't mention a lot because initially I thought I will post here a week or two later because I am in the midst of changing city and incorporating the business. So I am not able to focus too much on traffic.

But then decided to start posting the Follow Along already so that I get some momentum going on before I can work full-time on business. So didn't elaborate too much. Anyway, since you asked I will say it now.

I am using Voluum. I am currently running traffic in TJ top websites so there are not too many clicks (For now). I read a lot of articles about Voluum and thats why i picked it, but I will check the trackers you mentioned as well.

I am targeting Canada, France and Germany. I just picked geos that my AM said they are strong in. The only traffic source that I run now is Traffic Junky.

3-5 landers initially but then i paused all except one. My lander is fully ripped, I did not modify anything yet. Lander modification felt overwhelming before I got hang of the banners. My plan is to focus more on banners first, then landers.

I have been ripping others banners all this time, a few times when i included my own images the CTR dropped like crazy. So my main goal today was to get back to adding my own images to banners. I did that today and did a massive upload to TJ, will start testing tomorrow. If the banner testing don't go well this time, I will PM you and matuloo a few banners so that maybe you can give me some idea where i can improve.

I was only spying the top 3-4 tube sites, but this makes a lot of sense. I will spy on a wider range of websites such as chaturbate.com

@matuloo

I will also give some figures soon once I start the tests.

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Here comes another day!

Goal by 14/10 (Only 7 days left, and I am not even testing new stuff yet. Speed is important!)

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Today is dedicated to starting all the split tests!

What I did well

• I started some split tests.

What I did not do well

• I was really lazy to make new landing pages, blaming that the VPN is slow today to spy and all that. Cant be lazy lol.

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Some rant about today

First, I am running tests in CA, US desktop in NTV spots

• For NTV spots, I am initially running both NTV A and B for some time, to see which one I should stop. Running both together is a bad idea because a person might see both together which will decrease CTR. I will run the same set of banners in both so that its an even split test between NTVA and NTVB
• Pornhub NTV US gets a daily conversion of around 60-70 for me, so I will test 10 banners there together. I might be able to reduce banners in a day or two. I will roughly keep 6-10 banners in the following placements - Pornhub, Youporn and Redtube NTV.
• I have serious doubts about statistical significance. I think to reach true statistical significance a banner need to get like 50 conversions, which is crazy as I will lose lot of money with bad banners. 10 conversions or so per banner will be affordable even if i lose some money. But with 10 conversions per banner I might make mistakes. How do i reduce mistakes? This is my plan to avoid mistakes -
  
  • One thing i can quickly check is banner CTR, since CTR is coming from a larger data it will be statistically significant fast. Good CTR (Especially if i am not using any X button or click bait tactics) is usually a good thing.
  • If there are outliers i can make a decision faster. Example if one banner made 20 conversions and other 5 its easy to tell who is better because one is much better than other.
  • Idea is to reduce the worst banners and run the good banners longer until we have 50 conversions or so on them to take a more significant decision.

All tests are setup and running in the above spots.
I will give some figures tomorrow.
Now, I am going to setup dating offers in DE mobile.
I have to find landing pages first! And then setup offers, campaigns .etc.

Also, found this pretty useful equation:

You can focus on increasing any of the CTR, CR or payout to have more room to raise bids.


Some doubts:

• Bids in TJ -
  
  • Where do i stay with bids in TJ? Shall i go for the top? Because wierdly, I found that SOMETIMES i lose money bidding low while i made money bidding high. Why is that? I feel like if i bid low i should make money, but lose traffic volume right? Conversion decreases at low bids sometimes ....
  • I am going to start now with top bid, then decrease it to second bid if ROI is absolutely horrible lol. I might directly go to second bid if there is a huge difference (Like 10% or more) in bid between first and subsequent bids.
  • In TJ, if i dont stay in the top 2-3 spots I basically do not get any traffic. I wish traffic distribution was a little more linear across bid ranges.
  
  
• Landing Pages -
  
  • Currently I am using one landing page for Youporn, Redtube, Pornhub together. Do you think its better to keep separate landing pages for each of these websites or is it alright to be together?
  • I see a lot of people having looong landing page urls. For example:
    aHR0cHM6Ly90Lmluc2lnaXQuY29tL3Rkcz90ZHNJZD1nNDk4Nn VzaF90ZHNfc2l0ZV9ncm91cF9hXzUwMjk3NzcxNjU5NSZ0ZHNf Y2FtcGFpZ249ZzQ5ODZ1c2gmdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1kZGEmdXRtX2 1lZGl1bT1tb2ImdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPWV4b19tJnV0bV90ZXJt PW1vYl93bnRiX2dicl9nNDk4NnVzaF8zMV9tdF9wciZ1dG1fY2 9udGVudD0xNzE3NDgwNCZwMT1tb2JpbGUueW91cG9ybi5jb20m cDU9MTAxNDE3NiZ4cz1fJnRyPU1UazROekU1Tkh4OFIwSlNmSH d4TnpFM05EZ3dOSHg4ZkRFd01UUXhOelo4T0RjdU1URTNMakl3 TWk0ME5YdzFNRGg4ZkRCOE5ERjhNVEo4TVR
    What the hell is that long name for? Is there a good convention to name landing pages when you have many?
  
  
• While reading about testing offers I saw this quote by @mrbraun.

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Whats up brothers!
Another day has arrived, its time to make a difference

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Evaluate and optimize/scale yesterdays split test!
• Start a new split test in mobile
• Make a number of landing pages in mobile and desktop. Also find a convenient setup to easily edit and work with landing pages.

What I did well

• Finished all the German landing pages. Did a good amount of work.

What I did not do well

• More focus and intensity! I am not even doing 1/5th of my potential!

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Some rant as the day pass by -

Today is Sunday... I never used to work on weekends back when i had a job. Now, I dont think it makes sense to skip these hours, not until i hit $1000 a day (I haven't reached consistent $100 lol, its just my first-level dream haha).

Anyway, I am working with landing pages today. I am an intermediate coder, so working with JS is not that hard to me. I am setting a folder format and ftp connection .etc to make editing easier in the future.

I only completed two landing pages in the last several hours, which is really slow.
I am a big believer in productivity tools and I practically plan all my work using Trello and uses Pomodoro to focus.
So I am going to setup a Pomodoro timer for 6 sessions now, and then complete 8 more landing pages by the end of it. Lets see how that goes.


Doubts:

• A landing page i ripped has the following tags setup in it
  
  • NREUM tokens (https://newrelic.com/)
  • Perfect Audience tags (http://www.perfectaudience.com/)
  • Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager
  • Facebook Events
  • Adroll
  • And maybe a bunch of other stuff

Results of new campaigns DAY-1:

US Spot-1
Revenue: 187
Cost: 260
Profit: (-73)
ROI: (-28.08)

US Spot-2:
Revenue: 27
Cost: 44
Profit: (-17)
ROI: (-38.64)

US Spot-3:
Revenue: 54
Cost: 65
Profit: (-11)
ROI: (-16.92)

CA Spot-1:
Revenue: 25
Cost: 33
Profit: (-8)
ROI: (-24.24)

CA Spot-2:
Revenue: 13
Cost: 7
Profit: 6
ROI: 85.71

CA Spot-3:
Revenue: 13
Cost: 10
Profit: 3
ROI: 30

I optimized banners, bids and stopped either one of NTVA and NTVB based on results.
Most spots are not ready to be optimized yet because its too early.
I will write down more details about the campaigns after a few days once there is more traffic, along with more details about optimizations I have done.

Do let me know what you guys think about the day 1 results so far!

Thanks.

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Hello again, you posted a lot of questions, so let me try to answer most of them in one post

First of all : I'm not sure you picked the best GEOs, all quite competitive markets, but if you have the balls for it ...

Could be a prolem yes, to fight it, use as many banners as possible.

All very competitive spots, good for quick testing, hard to profit in.

Adult is very volatile, the performance can change from one day to the next. I prefer to optimize by cutting the worst elements, so instead of waiting for days to get significant data and pick the best banner, I simply get rid of what obviously isn't working and keep the rest running. Banners can die fast in adult, so you dont even have time for that.

Be very careful with this, banners with good CTR often don't convert well at all.

This is not weird at all, higher bids get served first, so they get the first impressions generated by the users ... fresh visitors are more likely to click a banner and convert. Try to stay as high in the chain as possible, but going for #1 often isnt worth the bidding wars.

You need to test and analyze every spot separately, so the best is to create separate campaign for each large spot. Otherwise you're not able to split traffic evenly across the LPs and offers.

It's hard to make general statements, but if you want to use some ballpark figure to go by, this one is as good as any reasonable approach.

Nope, it will just slow the loading time ... Voluum gives you all the data you need.

Looks pretty good so far, reasonable loses that could be optimized into profit most likely and even some small profitable campaigns ... definitely not a bad start

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@matuloo
Thanks for the answers man. I know I asked too many questions, and it was kind of you to answer them. I didnt expect everything to get answered, just wanted to have the doubts written so that I dont miss them.

Which geos do you recommend for adult dating? I found European geos like Germany, Scandinavian countries .etc are equally expensive.

Woah, makes sense. I read your worst of the worst elements method, so you covered the idea in that pretty well.
Everything just changes fast in adult.

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Focus on INTENSITY. I know how to sit down and work, what I need to learn is intense focus and taking rapid, but controlled action. Gary Varynerchuk calls this controlled chaos. Saygin Yalcin calls this structured learning under pressure. Intensity is the game changer.
• Start a new split test in mobile (Couldnt complete yesterday)
• Complete all the landing pages

What I did well

• Focused on intensity.
• Completed several landing pages.

What I did not do well

• Had a little microburnout and couldnt focus much in the evening. I am going to spend the rest of the night reading "Ca$hvertising".

Todays Rant... (This will be filled as the day goes on!)

Found this awesome resource in Voluum website - http://feedback.Voluum.com/knowledge...ng-up-a-lander & http://feedback.voluum.com/knowledge...rticles/318335 (Will allow you to show Voluum parameters in the Landing Page such as "Iphone", "California" or whatever)


Doubts:

• What is more important for making a funnel work?

• How do you keep testing new elements without making losses. Two ideas that come to my mind
  
  • Reduce weight of new banners and keep them running in parallel. This will keep campaign profitable while the new banners are tested over a longer period of time.
  • Run some new banners along with the other banners. Delete all the worst ones and keep the good ones paused. When old banners burn out start the paused ones.
  
  
• It would have been so convenient if i cant get cost into voluum from TJ. That would allow me to go really deep into campaign optimization. Thats not possible right? Now, I am checking cost in TJ and revenue in voluum separately per campaign.

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There are definitely outstanding landers as well - 200% or more improvements in CVR from consistent lander testing aren't unusual.

One other variable you should remember is longevity. Banners can make a huge difference to your ROI, but they burn out really fast in adult, making an individual banner much less valuable (although learning what type of banners work is still important). Landers and offers burn out much slower - that's a more complex relationship, because the offer "burnout" rate is more complex than the lander burnout rate (you've also got to factor in how many other people are running the offer, what its capacity is, chances of getting thrown off the offer, etc).

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Makes sense! Thanks for the tips, i got what you meant. Landing page will be a long term investment, compared to banner which will have to replaced faster.

Anyways lads, on to another day. Woke up a little late today, I was doing 7 hour sleep with 10-13 hour work per day for a month now and its almost a habit. But yesterday i slept late and messed up the routine a bit. Its cool though, a little bit messy is always good.

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Today I am going to pump up the tasks a little bit and see if i can complete it. Means I have to push my engine to higher gears, get forged in the fastlane (Millionaire Fastlane - Great book btw!)

Tasks

• Do a whole bunch of calls and accelerate the bank work. Its been three weeks and without these follow ups some external works can take months! Always follow up to make things go a little bit faster. (Done - As much as i can. This will be ongoing for a few more weeks because of govt formalities)
• Setup several landing pages for English geos (Max 4)
• Optimize previous tests
• Setup new tests in more spots for ongoing geos
• Translate banners to non-english geos (French and German)
• Setup tests in non-english geos with new translated banners
• Start mobile traffic in one geo (First setup is to optimize offer, then tomorrow lander, then soon banner!) - (Done)
• And most of all, focus on the three magic qualities to win big -> Speed + Intensity + Grit (Done)

What I did well

• Did a lot of compliance and incorporation work today.

What I did not do well

• I did not feel like I took the right actions today. It felt like a net neutral day both in terms of results and learning experience. That is not cool. So I made a better structure to my work schedule from tomorrow, will stick to that for as long as possible. Its important to learn effectively.

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All of them As Caurmen mentioned, some will last longer than others. On a more serious note, offer is the most important, as a bad offer won't convert any traffic, while a good offer will show at least some conversions even with poor banners and LPs.

Impossible to tell unfortunately. It depends on how much you improve each of the parts.

Z matters the most, yes, but the other parts can be crucial too ... over time, yuo will get to see all kinds of banners and LPs, good, bad, average, awesome ... it's really hard to make any general statements here. But I think we will all agree that the offer is the most important.
I'm using both approaches, testing on lower weight as well as running new ones head to head with the proven performers ... this way you can spot the winner the fastest in most cases.

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Thanks @Matuloo. That was very informative.

I will give some stats on all the test results after some time today

Also, I am joining Day#6 and Day#7 together because the work I gave to myself on Day#6 was too long to complete on one day.

My goal is to have quick "Daily" follow-along-journals on this website until Day#365 or until i reach $1000 profits a day (Whichever happens the earliest lol). And then I might take a few days off to celebrate the achievement. Work from a different country for a while, have a couple beer with friends or something like that. That will be so cool!

Stats:

US Spot-1
Revenue: 240
Cost: 238
Profit: 2
ROI: (Breakeven)


US Spot-2:
Revenue: 102
Cost: 76
Profit: 23
ROI: 34


US Spot-3:
Revenue: 7
Cost: 29
Profit: (-22)
ROI: (-75.00)


CA Spot-1:
Revenue: 0
Cost: 12
Profit: (-12)
ROI: (-99.99)


CA Spot-2:
Revenue: 4
Cost: 11
Profit: (-6)
ROI: (-63)


CA Spot-3:
Revenue: 29
Cost: 24
Profit: 5
ROI: 21

The above are tests that began on 7/10/2017.
Overall I was satisfied with the results. With US Spot1 I felt if i optimize further I can turn him green, and some more optimization would have got me 10% ROI and then its a scalable spot (Okay, its Pornhub) and I could have been making $50 a day with only this spot I think.
But when i enquired with advertiser he is not happy with the results. He wanted to reduce payout on this spot, but i said lets wait for a few days and see if the leads are maturing quickly and resume if he is happy. So I have kept it on pause now.
But the good thing is I found three banners which are performing better than others, so I am going to keep those badboys in my personal stash with all the other goodies haha. Some other spots are also in Green so if advertiser keeps the payout same. If advertiser reduces payout I am not sure what I can do here, Test another offer?

Another test that i started yesterday is Germany mobile.
Results are .... terrible. -$70 lol.

Test Geo: Germany mobile
Test setup: Few ripped banners + 1 lander + 3 offers.
Goal: Find the one winning offer. So far, 2 offers are doing better. Other one sucks! So I am going to remove that one offer.

Here is a doubt about mobile dating. What is a good lander CTR and offer CR?
For me right now I am getting the following range -
Offer-1 CR: 9%, EPC: 0.12
Offer-2 CR: 7%, EPC: 0.11
Offer-3 CR: 9%, EPC: 0.15
If you want overall EPC it is 0.13
Lander CTR: 14% (Ranges from 9-25% on different spots)
I only have 20 leads yet, so these numbers can vary. But I think these are terrible numbers.
A lander CTR of 30% and a CR of 15% is would have been a good number, I think.
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Whats a good number according to you guys?

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You will lose an offer from time to time, in some cases it can happen quite often actually. So get used to it and always be prepared. Testing more offers is the only cure here, aside from improving your quality. I have an article on quality here on STM if you want to read it : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...guide-for-2017!

Join more networks too, in order to get access to more offers. You can also work with direct advertisers, most take US : datinggold, dateprofits, vipoffers, topoffers ... don't do this yet, make sure you know how to play the game first, because you only get one quality chance with them

Germany is a weird GEO in dating ... I talked to one of my AMs couple days ago, she also told me it's a hit or miss GEO for so many affiliates. I don't know why, but I've never managed to stay profitable in DE for a significant period of time ... it always dies after a few days ... which sucks cause it's such a big GEO with so much potential I keep on attacking it from time to time, but without much success.

Both CTR and CVR are lower on mobile, partially because of the unintentional clicks (big fingers), partially because people are less willing to fill in forms on smartphones ... anyways, you should still be able to be around 15%-20% with LP CTR, 30% is harder to get with a typical dating LP. 15% CR is also quite high number and hard to get, sometimes you can have it with SOI offers, but 10% is more achievable. But, it still depends on many other factors, the numbers I gave you are some general averages ... I had campaigns with LPs getting 8% CTR and poor CVR to top it, but since the traffic was cheap, I was still profitable. On the other hand, you can reach amazing CVR when buying members area traffic, but that is so expensive that it's hard to profit with it anyways.

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@matuloo
Great read for the lead quality

• Target older people
• Hit premium spots
• Use angles that are relevant to offer
• Dont use the word free
• Work with the advertiser by passing subids
• Hit solid volume
• Do not rush the scaling process, increase it slowly. Leads need time to mature.

I do target older people in LP and in half of my banners, other banners have younger chicks. My sites are premium and I dont use word free (I use - No bullshit, Girls Are Waiting, Girls Are Dying To Talk To You and all that jazz lol), and I do pass source subids.

How do you pass subids for banners and landers? I usually give subids for sources in a parameter like subid1.
What I can think off is lets say I have 4 banners + 2 landers + 1 offer running in one source.
I will make 2 offer links in Voluum.
Offer link 1 will have subid1 set to SOURCE1_LANDER1 and subid2 set to V1 (Which is banner name)
Offer link 2 will have subid1 set to SOURCE1_LANDER2 and subid2 set to V1 (Which is banner name)
Now the advertiser can tell me which combination is not working for them .
It they say SOURCE1_LANDER2 and V1=Banner3, I have to check the corresponding elements and make a conclusion.

Sorry for the rant lol, I tend to think and type a lot simultaneously, I should become an author once I make more money with AM.

Anyway on to Day#8

Goal by 14/10

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Work hardcore on testing banners and landers
• Scale and optimize ongoing traffic.

What I did well

• Was much more systematic

What I did not do well

• Nothing much that I can think off today

Some Lessons From Today!

Tips to manage campaigns faster!
1) Use Chrome shortcuts instead of mouse whenever you can -

• Ctr+Tab - Go to next tab (Helpful when you are checking bids or uploading banners .etc in several campaigns at once)
• Ctr+Shift+Tab - Go to previous tab
• Ctr+W - Close Tab
• Ctr+T - New Tab

2) Use big screen laptop - I have two laptops, one is 14inch and another is 15.6inch. In the bigger laptop I am able to avoid scrolling sideways to see all the values in the reports.
3) Linkclump Chrome Extension - Do you want to open many campaigns together without opening one by one? Then use this extension to open multiple links together by dragging around the links using your mouse.
4) Avoid trackpad in laptop and use mouse instead - Much faster!

The above tips will help you to go faster, very helpful when you already figured out some mundane processes to maintain your camps.

Another Doubt:
My advertiser told me that the mobile EPC data she has says the general EPC for the offer is 0.85 while I am getting 0.25 at the moment. I havent asked for any bumps now, I have a strong feeling that mobile EPC is all about HUGE bumps. I can improve everything but i think its not a bad idea to increase volume somehow and ask for bumps.

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You can use custom variables in your tracker ... pretty much any source will send you the banner ID, so just pass it to the network in the offer url, you can do the same with lander.id ... ask the network what parameters you should use for that, as the advertiser has to support them. Usually it's either the subids or k1, k2 ...

Paybumps are one option yes, then it can be LPs that have very low CTR but convert like a charm ... it can also be a copletely different traffic type : emails, members areas ... network averages are... well just averages They can be totally different from your own results and you might still be profitable.

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@matuloo
Thanks man, makes sense!

Goal by 14/10 (That is tomorrow!)

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Work hardcore on testing banners and landers
• Scale and optimize ongoing traffic.

What I did well

• I made some new nice banners for test, also got more banner intelligence

What I did not do well

• I do not have proper daily goals - Daily goals should always be a few maintenance activities, and ATLEAST one good scaling/testing activities. That is the only way I will get to the next level, and avoid staying in the same level.

Updates -
TJ is super slow today, I can do anything on it. Is it true for you guys too?

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TJ has one of the slowest interfaces of all adult networks, it's giving me a headache anytime I have to use it And yes, I think it worked even slower today, when I wanted to check something there ... maybe some hosting issue.

BTW : just a heads up about TJ, they don't approve creatives on weekends, so make sure to submit all, that you want to test over the weekend, in ADVANCE

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I have never really learned any other source, but its true that exo, adnium .etc has some slick fast crisp interface. Also, I couldn't upload banners in TJ yesterday because somethings wrong, i messaged rep though and he said it will be fixed next working day.

Since I cant work on banners much today, I will be working on landers. From today till end of the month I want to gain a solid intelligence in landing pages (And enhance my banner intelligence further as well)

Goal by 14/10 (Today!)

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Tasks

• Setup landing pages in a number of spots. Goal is to find 3 winning ones.
• Increase number of tested traffic. I feel like I am being more relaxed lately, which means there is room to push harder!

What I did well

• Controlling the chaos, much better intensity!

What I did not do well

• Nothing much

Rant as the day progresses!

-> I want to talk a little bit about the best productivity tool I have ever used - https://trello.com/ !!
The best way to organize Trello is to use a GTD (Get shit done) approach.
Here is a blog post that tells how to organize Trello - https://blog.trello.com/gtd-getting-...ctivity-trello
What i do is that I have columns for the following -

• Big Goals (Like 3 month projects)
• Inbox (Smaller Goals)
• Daily Tasks (Max 3 tasks + My Habit building tasks)
• Wait (For stuff like banner approval that I have to wait for)
• Completed (To let you know how much shit you did)
• Some Other Day (Tasks that you might do one day, unimportant right now)

Trello is used by some really big business owners that I met recently in local events. So its legit.

-> Next productivity tool I use is Pomodoro
Do you know that the founder of Ikea used to divide his days into several 10 minute slots?
I am not as ambitious as him, so i divide it into 30 minute slots, using Pomodoro
My good days of 14 hour work is roughly 28 pomodoros!
My bad days of 7 hour work is roughly 14 pomodoros!
Nowadays I eat lunch using 2 pomodoros lol.
In my iPhone i uses "BeFocused" app for the same, its awesome.
Pomodoro uses the Parkinsons law - work expands or contracts depending on the time alloted to it. It works like a charm and helps you laser focus once you get the hang of it.

-> Doubt: Do you recommend using Bootstrap for Landing Pages. Its quite easy to make a variety of landing pages with Bootstrap for quick testing, but all the landing pages I see are made using plain CSS and JS/jQuery, which is very very light.

-> When is it too early to conclude a split test?
Lets say I had 118 clicks and 2 conversions.
Then 64 clicks and 4 conversions.
Is this already a split test that can be concluded?
I plugged the values into a Bayesian calculator (https://abtestguide.com/bayesian/) and got that there is 95% chance that second one is better, so maybe I can conclude it. But not very sure cuz there are only 2 and 4 conversions.

-> A lesson about intensity: More revenue you run, more the intensity. Even if you are making $0 or even a little negative .... try to maximize the revenue you are running. That way you will learn A LOT MORE. Most probably you wont be able to manage anything properly, by the time you are adjusting bids in one campaign another one will be losing a lot, and you will have to pause a banner there. And chaotic things like that will keep happening, but soon you might grow strong enough to control the chaos. Maybe thats what I should aim for as an affiliate marketer. And hopefully, with enough chaos you will develop systems to handle it... and you are a little more organized...and you can scale a little more further. The moment I get complacent i stop growing and learning.

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Day#11 today, I am on a roll Lets see how long the streak is gonna continue (Maybe #365 ??)

Recap of Previous 14 days!

The way I structure my life is using 14 days of hustle (I have been doing this for a long time with most things i do)
At the end of 14 days you look back and think how it went. Its a great technique.
If you PUSH hard enough, one little change in your personality/skill would have happened by 14 days.
So in 1 month (which contains roughly two 14 day hustle) you would have had two little changes.
By the end of 6 months, you would have had 12 changes or so, and they will add together to TRANSFORM you into a TOTALLY different animal.
The goal is to keep the 14 day hustle INTENSE enough, and if you keep at it you will grow like a weed lol.

So my goal of last 14 days were -

• Gain banner intelligence AKA find winning banners in desktop and mobile dating
• Gain split testing chops
• Gain speed

Results:

• Found over 10 winning banners
• Learned split testing to a good degree
• Gained speed and intensity (By combining micro elements like keyboard shortcuts, some new systems and of course running higher revenue)

I am happy about the results, especially about the intensity. I can control the chaos a little better now!

Now onto NEXT 14 day challenge.

Goal by 28/10

• Push to higher levels of revenue and increase the intensity + speed in the process
• Gain better intelligence in banner + lander testing (AKA find more winning banners and landers)

So today I will ....
Tasks

• Scale traffic
• Test more landers

What I did well

• Decent scaling, got some more deeper level concept, more intensity and did some advanced excel work to manage campaigns better!

What I did not do well

• I did not hit enough pomodoros, anything less than 26 is not impressive!

Rant as the day goes by!

• Does AM's or advertiser optimize leads? -> Since I am giving my traffic to an offer that I don't control I was wondering if the AM's or advertiser use any techniques to optimize the leads further? One way they can do it is to scrub the leads somehow. Do they do something else like see which traffic is having good activity and only pay me for those leads and dont pay for others? Or do they directly pay the affiliate once an email is entered? Of course, I want to maintain great relationships with my AMs and business partners so I am not going to ever point fingers and accuse anyone, but knowing how the system works once the traffic leaves my control will be a good thing to know i think.
• You can find all the articles that I am reading or I read from STM in my profile by going to "Visitor Messages" -> https://stmforum.com/forum/member.php?14322-donmathboss (I found a wealth of articles here that probably answers all the major doubts that I will have in the foreseeable future lol, there are tons so will read it in between running camps over the new weeks or months!)

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There is a reason for this, large part of the LPs you can find in spytools, are made for mobile POP traffic, where speed matters the most. When working with banner traffic, you don't have to be so speed-obsessed, but your LP's still shouldn't take longer than 1 -1.5 seconds to load. With code-heavy LPs, it might be a problem.

The difference is very big, certainly enough to point the finger at the winner based on pure stats, but it might be still to early ... just because we're in adult. One more lead in the 118 clicks campaign and the difference would be much smaller. I prefer to see a difference like 5 to 10, or 1 to 5 .... so either a very big difference even with a lower amount of conversions (1 to 5) or bigger amount of conversions, definitely close to 10. It also depends on the offer payout, if it's some $1.50 SOI offers, I would let it run just to be 100% sure. With $10 offers, I would act sooner.

Scrubbing is definitely present in the AM world. Sometimes it's legit : duplicate leads, fraudulent leads, leads that do not match targeting ... some leads simply don't have any value, so you can't expect to get paid for them. The there is scrubbing we hate as affiliates ... advertisers scrub leads to improve their bottom line, compensate for some loss due to fraud from some affiliates etc ... this is definitely happening, but there isn't much we can do about it. Affiliate are obsessed with high payouts on the offers, so the networks or advertisers scrub some leads to be able to afford such high payouts. So going with the highest payout for the same offer, might not be the best idea ... basically, focus on the bottom line and if it still works out, then continue with the offer.

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Now you've seen it with your own eyes, the performance can change a lot from one day to the next. That's why it's so important to aim for variety and give it the time it needs.

People often forget about one thing ... Voluum, or any other tracker, simply rotates stuff ... it doesn't analyze whether it's BOTs, young people, old people ... in an extreme case, it's possible that you will send all BOT traffic to one LP, while the other one will get just legit traffic ... it just might happen ... 4 LPs, so 1 click in 4 is sent to LP 4 and if every 4th click happens to be a bot ... well then all bot traffic goes to LP4. The lower the volume, the higher impact coincidences like this can have.

That's why I always recommend people to wait for clear trends and still try to keep as many versions of banners/lps/offers running as possible.

Matej.

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@Matej
Yes, that is true. Will focus on running many tests at all times and keeping things long enough to make a better decision.

Goal by 28/10

• Push to higher levels of revenue and increase the intensity + speed in the process
• Gain better intelligence in banner + lander testing (AKA find more winning banners and landers)

Tasks

• Scale traffic
• Test more landers and banners
• Increase intensity and speed!

What I did well

• Tested more landers and banners.

What I did not do well

• Not able to adjust to changes. Today the bank fucked up my internet banking documents delivery to my new address and I was behind it, i had plenty of idle time in between the phone calls but i just didnt use them well. Soon this is going to create cashflow issues, but nothing i cant beat! Like Gary Vee says, I have to be the halftime coach and adjust the game all the time!

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I figure if you get a few GSBs pretty close to each other, while your tracker may not be officially flagged, they've definitely marked it and will start flagging everything it's connected to pretty quickly.

Pretty painless to setup a new tracker, and have it all setup and ready to go as a backup when it inevitably happens.

You really need to be using some sort of token in your landers to dynamically grab your tracker address though, otherwise, you'll be manually updating your tracker address in every single one.

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if you have tracker domain worries, you can always use multiple domains (without having to set up multiple tracker instances) https://docs.Binom.org/domains.php

also keeps a lower profile on spy tools etc

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Changing the tracking domain in the tracker is no problem.

But for example I got my tracker domain flagged when I had more than 1.5k campaigns in my tracker.

It only took few minutes to get a new tracking domain running but still I had to stop all campaigns and then change to the new domain in the trafficsources.

And this really sucks.

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Yep that sucks big time, that reminds me when I lost all my data due to server hardware malfunction ( HDD died ) on dedicated server with self hosted tracker on it ohh funny times RIP

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Haha yes, I remember when you told me about it.

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Sorry. My brain just exploded. I can’t even imagine that many campaigns running simultaneously.

Were you able to ask your traffic source AMs to swap the tracker domain out for you? Surely, they have tools to do that much faster than updating each camp by yourself.

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Oh, the campaigns were not all active and running.
But there were enough active campaigns to makie it a real PITA.

Haha, and I guess your brain would explode again when I tell you that I created, tested and run about 1.2k only on the last 8 weeks or so :P

To be honest but I didn´t even think about it, stupid me.

I just got annoyed and then worked my way through the mess.

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Yup. Mind blown!

That's a bit over 30 new camps a day... doable. I guess I could do that.

Fuck, I need to test more

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Awesome, next time this happens I can ask AM and see what he/she says.

Lol 1.2k campaigns, no human can do that

Is there any reason why you are making new camps instead of using old ones? What is the reason why you abandon an old camp and prepare a new one?

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Holy fucking shitballs..... this gives new meaning to the phrase "levels to this shit" lol

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That´s why many friends and even my wife call me a Cyborg

But it´s absolutely doable.
Sure it´s a tedious task but with a good system and just doing without thinking too much aboiut it this absolutely can be done.

And as I told you, at the moment I also work on stuff to automate the whole process of going through my stats and creating campaigns based on it.
This will reduce the time and workload alot and at the same time will help to scale.

And don´t get me wrong, with 1.2k campaigns I don´t mean all completely different and new campaigns.

Of course I also test lots of offers but many of the campaigns were also where I test running stuff on new sources, new countries, new targeting and so on.
And altogether it can sum up pretty quick then.

Do you mean me with it of jaybot?
Because you quoted jaybot in your post.

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