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One Dirty Leadimpact Trick to Outbid Your Competition (49)

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I know the thread title looks like an acai berry ad but I've been using this trick for ages to outbid my competition without them never suspecting it.

I think most of you have been stuck a lot of times in stupid bidding wars.

You find a profitable url but people keep outbiding you until no one profits anymore or the margins are too low to make it worth running.

Here's what I do when I find a profitable url:

Let's say the url is geico.com and top bidder is bidding 0.05
First thing I do is bid much lower than the top bidder for geico.com. Let's say 0.02 .

After that I add these keywords on my campaign :

geico.co
geico.c
geico.
geico
geic

I stop when I find an url where I am the only bidder.

Now on that url I bid 0.001 more than what the top bidder is bidding on main domain.

So in my example I would be bidding 0.0501 on geico.co ( if there is no one else bidding there ).

Leadimpact shows first the pop of the person who is bidding the highest.
But when someone opens geico.com , means they have "opened" geico.co too since that is contained in geico.com .

However my bid is higher than the guy bidding on geico.com , so my pop will show.

The cool thing about this is that the top bidder will never know he is being outbid since on his account he sees himself as the top bidder .

This way you will get the most traffic without getting into bid wars and inflating bid prices.

P.S This works on Trafficvance too , but to a certain extent. You wont get all the traffic you do on LI but it's still nice to have some "extra" traffic.

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Now that is a great tip and great post.

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on ppv.....you have to think of it this way....

its an algo searching for a string.....

think that way....and a whole new world of targets opens up to you

also....you can make a speadsheet in excel that you just plug in the target and it will output whatever string/short/chars added etc you want..... its the concatenate function...you can get all sorts of crazy with it

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for some reason it doesn't work for some high traffic targets on LI, so always worth a test.

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heres one for scaling

on one of my campaigns the best performing target, with most volume is

=domain

so without the .com

its basically matches many of the search engine urls when people for example just type the domain name into the search box.

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I hope you two survive the week out. Those tips are worth killing for!

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You Sneaky, sneaky bastards! Great tips!
To add to what tijn said, also bid on 'p=domain' and 'q=domain' if '=domain' has other bidders (then expand these if needed... e.g. ?q=domain, search?q=domain, com/search?q=domain, etc.). I love these forums!

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That tip just covered my subscription fee.

One of the best tips I've gotten keep that low or in this forum, will make LI a warzone otherwise lol!

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"Let's say the url is geico.com and top bidder is bidding 0.05
First thing I do is bid much lower than the top bidder for geico.com. Let's say 0.02"

In the example above, when you bid lower what position should you aim for?

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@ben565

It wont really matter much . You just need it to be lower that 1st place so you dont enter in a bidding war.

The reason why it wont matter is that you will receive 90% of the traffic from the short version of the domain not from the full one.

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Nice tips. I guess the only issue is maybe if you are using a landing page with dynamic URL insertion it could spit out some weird stuff....?

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Yeah , but if you dont have many targets it can be fixed pretty easily with a bit of PHP.

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Yea. Any coders out there have any code that could work when using dynamic keyword insertion with these tips?

For example from CPV LAB:

<?php $target = str_replace('http://', '', str_replace('https://', '', str_replace('www.', '', $_GET["target"]))); echo(ucfirst(strpos($target,'/') !== false ? substr($target,0,strpos($target,'/')) : $target)); ?>

I wonder how you could edit that so that:

IF $target= '=$target' replace .....

Nevermind. I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm not so sure that would work with a long URL string that could be random...
But with something like ".geico" you could pretty easily use a series of IF statements to output the right results.

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You can do it this way :

[PHP]
if(stristr($target, 'geico') !== FALSE)
$target="Geico";
if(stristr($target, 'walm') !== FALSE)
$target="Walmart";
[/PHP]


and so on for every kw.

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Top stuff.

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Great tips over here! Again, no regret joining STM forum. This place is just another university for affiliates. Once you "graduate" from here, you can easily be a millionaire.

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Hi and thanks for the tip.
I am quite new and may I know what is this 'p=domain' and 'q=domain' means ??
Can you give an example ? Thanks.

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Yeah, i see that all the time and it makes me laugh. "Congratulations UPS.C Visitor!" Haha. What I usually do to get around that is use another variable within CPV lab. For example, pass an additional variable called "site", append "site=[sitehere]" and in the ad network, use your tracking link with "site=ups.com" (or what have you) in the url. Then on your lander, add the php "$site=$GET_[site];" and echo the site.

Of course this will only work correctly if you have one site per creative. Generally speaking I'll only do this for sites that are high volume and where variations of the same site will still yield decent traffic.

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I have tried this and i am not getting much traffic,

i am the only bidder on the .co and am bidding more than the no 1 guy on .com and here are my stats for yesterday

.co = 14 views (no 1 pos)
.com = 556 views ( no 2 pos )

what gives?

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Nice I'll try this out

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I had emailed the LI guys asking them this question:

Here's their answer:

In this case how can this work? Or is it that the person replying to my email has no clue of how it works?

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Yeah makes perfectly sense.

In your case your ad wont show on www.site.com because you are bidding on www.site.com/page1.php which is not contained entirely in www.site.com

The idea of using this trick is bidding on a string that is contained in the original domain name. ie geico is contained entirely in geico.com but geico.com is not contained entirely in geico

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I'm not sure if the trick works for the full URL of site.com/page1.php, but it definitely works for the root domain of site.com

Edit: What Besmir said lol

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you say it works on Traffic Vance too, to a certain extent. How is TV's algo different from LI?

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This really is a Dirty trick! And I like it! Nice avatar btw You can't posibly be from sweden?=O

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Their algo isn't public , but from my experience I get less impressions there with this trick.

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Haha , not from Sweden , just an AC Milan fan

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hahah! Okey! I just had to ask!=D

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How do you find out what the current high bid is on LI for a given term?

Thanks

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that's easy, you just load it in your account. You can see everyones bids. And damn, that's the biggest bitch about PPV. Being able to see what all your competitors are bidding. It really drives up the CPV cost because everybody always wants to be in the #1 position to get the most traffic. So the raise the bids and raise the bids some more. For the PPV network it's good because that's how they make money, but it makes campaign management for us a bitch

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For the "=" sign bids...

For this example keyword: "two words"

Which of these would you want to bid on:

=two words
=two*words
=two+words


or something entirely different?

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All of them

I get traffic from all the variations you mentioned

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just tried this method, but for keywords, not urls... (maybe that's why it didn't work?)

here is what happened:

i bid on "keyword" and i saw someone else is has the same bid as me... so i went ahead and added

"keywor" and a slightly higher bid

now i am looking at my stats and i see a continuous flow of traffic from "keyword"

but nothing (1 view) for "keywor" even though it is at a higher bid...

does this trick only work for urls?

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Thanks alot

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Interesting. Did you adjust the bid of "keyword" as well? Is the other bidder still bidding?

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it's weird...

i can confirm this for sure because this is what i am seeing:

"keyword" is getting hundreds of views
but "keywor" consistently only gets 1 or 2 views a day

so this trick probably works only for urls...

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Good one! Little tricks like this keep me humbled.

Thanks for sharing.

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Yo!
Check it out. We got another thief amongst us.
This guy actually posted everyone's reply's as his own too.

http://www.blackhatchina.com/thread-10077-1-1.html

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Well the Chinese lack creativity therefore they copy

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F* Chinese. Always stealing other people ideas. I guess they change a lot since Marco Polo.

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How exactly does leadimpact compare the string? Is it when somebody is actively typing in the URL bar of their browser? Or is it when they hit enter? Or is LI constantly scanning the browser address (ie it would even pop on a redirect URL)?

Having some mixed results with the original bidding technique on URLs.

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Does this technique still work, or am I screwing something up...see below.

My targets and bids are listed up top (disregard the disapproved, they were approved before they wanted to switch categories on me), and my impressions are listed below. I have bid one cent higher on .go than the highest bid on .gov yet I received 0 impressions on .go when compared with the .gov target where I am ranked 3rd in bidding and received 241 impressions.

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interesting screenshots

i had the same experience but with "keyword" v.s. "keywor"

thought it was working for urls

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Looks like they have been catching on this lately.

Probably because of too many people doing that and LI normally wants people to compete the most for the traffic.

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Thank you ...Great tip

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really bad news

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This is an INSANE trick, thank you for sharing it!

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Did you read the whole thing?

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nice info shipa

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