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What tracking platform do you use? (43)

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Please vote above. I have something in mind with Prosper202 but first want to see if it's still a popular choice among the majority.

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Any hints as to what it is?

202 all day, ev'ry day!

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MobAffTracker.com

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I'll always test new tracking platforms but I still find myself coming back to good ol' 202 - Especially now with LPG!!

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What's even cooler is if you have a cool prosper202 mod u want to sell or give away, we will promo it for you.

BTW: Based on the video, MobAffTracker.com does some cool stuff for mobile.

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I'm using cpvlab right now. anyone think p202 is a better platform?

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I do, but I'm biased. But honestly I think CPVLab and Prosper202 have their strengths and weaknesses.

Try both if needed, current version of P202 is free (for now). So your only cost is time.

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The configs possible with CPV are much better, but I really like the spyview on 202.

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+1 on spyview on p202 but I do like the city + country view on cpvlab

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i may catch hell for this.... but man.... all these things seem so damn complicate to setup and then use....

i just use my clickbank affiliate account and tid's.

its the easiest way i figured out how to track correctly.

IMO, they all need to make a ghetto ass version thats simple to use.... i'm an internet marketer not a mathematician dammit. :-)

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it is not so hard to use

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i use both p202 and cpvlab. they both have pros and cons. depends on the scenario as to which ill use

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That's actually what I had in mind. I already run some very helpful mods on my prosper and am having my programmer develop a few more great functions. Was thinking that when all this was done (it would be about 6-7 total addon functions), I could put it together and sell it. It would help anyone monetize their traffic to the very penny.

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Holy B'Jimminy! I've been using CPVLab for freaking how long and this is the first I've made the connection that there's a city/country view.

<banging head against keyboard>

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I bet you are doing more math with your method

However, I get your point and agree stuff could be a lot easier

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interested for sure.. especially if you can squeeze that location fiels on spy view was going to have a programer do it for me anyways..

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@mrgrunin : possible to have those functions available for cpvlab ?

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i can design websites and code html but i couldn't figure out how the hell to install or use 202... or cpv labs. (i run my own offers)

makes no sense.

gotta design software for the end user. (something these guys unfortunately dont do)

designing software that does shit is cool but if people can't fucking use it, whats the point?

i wasted a few hundred bucks on cpvlabs and hosting cuz it was just too much of a pain in the ass to install it on my funnel.... then trying to figure out how to use the thing? forgetdaboutit.

i mean seriously.

202, dont get me started... i know its free... and everyone raves about it, but its designed for you engineer/mathematician types.... not for marketers.

THAT is why more people aren't tracking and testing.

dreamweaver is simple to use... photoshop is as well.... screenflow is simple to use.... heck, google website optimizer is simple to use... why? they thought about the end user when designing the thing.

something to think about....

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well i used cpvlab for a long time but it seems i keep getting problems and issues over time.

i just like prosper never have problems.

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I use both and I can't make up my mind lol.. what kind of issues where you having w/cpvlab?

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I seconded sm1810, both are great softwares, just need some learning curve.

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i know where you stand man, im a computer engineer and the first time i set up a campaign in P202 I absolutely hated it, so confusing and just not something I enjoyed doing. But as with everything in life, practice makes perfect and once you've set up a few profitable campaigns with it, things start making more sense.

btw i still think P202 is super crufty software, from not being able to split-test LPs (WTF?) to the having separate php files for the offer links, to having to do so much clicking to do basic stuff, to the super limited tracking with 4 subids (I eventually gave up and started handing all the info through 1 token and analyzing the data with my own software) etc. etc. There's tons of room for improvement, but it's free software so I'm not holding my breath.

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This is why affs crack me up. The reason this software isn't up to where you wish it was because the aff marketplace is what maybe 10k users at best. Most of them are warrior forum scum, the rest pirate software, and few actually pay for it. Its not a scalable business so why would someone waste time providing solution like that to help you make more money and in return just get people bitching that its still not enough.

Wes made the biggest mistake EVER releasing 202 as open source software, and he'll admit the same thing, marketing to affiliates is not a good business model.

BTW for those of you thinking oh snap aren't you building a tool... the tool was built for me to use 1st and for my affiliates to benefit from 2nd, i would never have built the tool for affiliates only.

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respect your comments, but i totally disagree...

someone could EASILY make bank with a good tracking system thats easy to use.

Yeah they gotta actually go out and SELL the thing, which most 'pro affs' dont do well.... maybe speak at seminars... get jv's... etc. but i've seen it over and over.... people banking with software.... to the tune of 6 figures a month recurring.

if someone has the ability to create and write a spec for a piece of software like 202, they could EASILY make it more user friendly...

it just comes down to piss poor planning and architecture design.

and yeah, i thought wes was nuts for making 202 free.... could have banked big time just by charging for it.

heck i'm gonna get one built for myself because i cant find anything that does what i want and doesnt requirea Phd from NASA to use.

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Prosper202, I love this software since the very first day I've used it

The Angry Russian > I can't agree more. This tool is so amazing, I think it's totally insane that it's given for free.
The learning curve is not that long.
Plus, there is a support on their forum!!!

And I agree too with your point of view about "marketing to marketers".
Marketing is my main passion, seriously, I love Marketing.

But I'm totally disgusted with its audience. I tried to monetize this niche, Marketers were so fucking horrible.
In France, all "marketers" want everything for free. These guys have a problem, they really think that quality information has to be free. Especially the information that has to make them rich.

Although I love to share my (little) knowledge and help people, for now, I'm fed up with blogging and helping people. Being paid or not.

I prefer private forums like STM

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interesting points...
i definitely want to improve my skillsets in traffic arbitraging, but building longterm assets is also where the money is at. Sure the aff marketplace is a very finite marketplace, but its is the MOST DESPERATE niche in the world.

Find a niche in the make money online business, and you can have a long term passive income.

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@julien : most people do want all things free, that why they're not on stage, that what I read in Robert Kiyosaki's book, thats good ! haha

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Started with p202, still use it from time to time depending on my needs, etc. but have been using cpvlab for well over a year now, and truly believe it's faster and more robust with the functionality they have built in compared to p202. Not that they don't have it necessarily, but just find it's an easier UI and integration so to speak with cpvlab.

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I think the market for a general purpose tracking solution is way bigger than 10k. It's not only affiliates that want to optimize their marketing efforts and as the saying goes "if you build it, they will come": it would be easy to justify a $xxx cost on such software since if you do any amount of volume, the amount you make by gathering & analyzing meaningful data and the time you save by not reinventing the wheel will easily make up for it or even surpass it.

Tracking isn't really anything technically extravagant, I feel the biggest challenge is customer support (people who want you to hold their hand because they paid $$$) and making it a good-looking product + putting the time and effort into properly marketing it. I've given thought to building my own but I'm terribly PHP-averse and while P202 isn't the best software imaginable, at the end of the day it still gets the job done.

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Good luck to compete against Google Analytics for average business that don't "need" to test 20 landing pages and 300 ads a day like affiliates do

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But with a 95% churn rate.

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I'm not talking about average businesses. There is clearly a market for this or the companies that are already in it who charge hundreds of dollars for their products like CPVLab or even Landing Page Genius wouldn't exist.

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CPVLAB, IMO, is very user friendly.

CPVLAB and Prosper are pretty easy to use. CPVLAB comes with a very extensive user manual that explains it all. I don't think it is not user friendly. And as far as being a math genius, the math is not that complex. I think as online Marketers you need to track as many variables as possible. Which requires a little math.

The more options that are requested by users the more complex it becomes. I am continually asking for more features, thus making it more complex. I would never use subid's to track campaigns when you can get so much more data from the tracking software.

And Robert added a spy view feature on the last release.

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I agree with you 100% on the first point. The goal should be to make things as elegant as possible. And making stuff unnecessarily complicated is a big fail for any product, including software.

However, 202 is excellent software. It's not designed by engineers or mathematicians. Far from it. 202 was the first of its kind. And when you're first, you've got to learn as you go. Early design decisions come back to bite you in the ass later. And you end up with something that's kind of Mr. Potatohead as you add on new functionality.

The solution is to re-design the system based on what's been learned so far. Recoding 202 from the ground up is a huge undertaking. Where's the money going to come from to do that? I'd be willing to bet that 98% of 202 users have never donated a dime.

LOL. "Just to get people bitching that its still not enough" is right. I also agree about Wes and 202. He's literally helped quite a few people become millionaires and what does he have to show for it?


All in all, we're left with two tracking platforms. I own both. And I have to say once I purchased CPV Lab an actually used it I was shocked at what people were calling "user friendly".

CPV Lab basically took all the tabs in Prosper202 and mashed them all together in one page. How the hell is a Create Campaign page with 80 fields user friendly? I honestly think people don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Neither software is user friendly or elegant. IMO they are both designed rather poorly and over-complicate everything they try to do.

I personally use Prosper202 hands down every time. The reporting is FAR superior. Both in speed and how you can slice and dice data. CPV Lab is still playing catch-up.

From a design perspective, both of these are abysmal. There is definitely room for a tracker that is elegant and streamlined. But like Angry Russian said, I don't think the market is really there to make big returns.

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^ agreed and agreed

the way you slice data on p202 is superior
the way you test LPs and offers on CPVLab is more intuitive

as for speed cpvlab was faster but the last version of p202 is as fast if not marginally faster on redirects/etc

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Correction: 99.25% No joke I just did some rough calculations.

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Just to chime in again, I want to make a VERY big distinction when I was saying the affiliate marketplace I was referring to people who actually make make money, not the make money online crowd (warrior forum and digital point).

If I wanted to market to the MMO crowd I can slap a sales letter and combine testimonials to date and start selling it now. Combine that with the 14 days to master mobile guide BAM on my way to being the next hot push button big launch clickbank bull shit product that everyone buys bitches about and few ever make money with.

There is a reason why I do not plan on selling my product and that is because it is not worth the headache (mostly support) and when you can reach market saturation after 1000 sales where are you going to go after that? Realistically most companies DON'T need robust tracking as they dont give a shit or know how to use it, and the feewww that do that would be willing to pay big money are using enterprise solutions already.

This tools is x10 more valuable to me for my own marketing efforts. I'm only going to release it to MobAffs that are ACTIVELY running traffic with us, which will make far more money in the long run then any $100 product sale or even $50/month recurring... well in theory at least.

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are you saying you are not going to let use your mobile tracker ? if we are not on mobaff yet ?

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If you read hist post you'll find the answer.

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and your saying that is only 10K strong?

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I just threw the 10k out there based on my experience working at a network pre MobAff and being in the industry for as long as I have. Out of the 10k I would guess 20% are people who make substantial money and do it consistently.

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Prosper all day long (I'm on Facebook).

It would really be great if there's this function whereby we can edit the figures on the report, although this forum has this click cost updater, however it doesn't update to the exact figures, and I have to manually perform an account closing for myself and usually there can be up to $600 discrepancy on the figures.

Another thing is regarding the offer rotation and weight allocation... if Prosper could have this mod, it really FTW!

Go for Prosper Mods, support!

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i'm curious what mgrunin is planning with prosper...i hope it's another useful mod :-)

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