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Push it to the limit?? Facebook did me dirty now here I am (40)

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Yes, I know classic love story it was good for a while but eventually the bots came around and got me.

Barred me from ever dancing with the ad manager or at least for now...

Truth be told I saw minimal success on FB I just couldn’t get attractive enough offers with the right combination of traffic to get much traction before I got the boot.

It is what it is…



I know what you’re thinking dude over here couldn’t get HQ traffic from Zuck to convert consistently what’s he think is going to happen here?

Well my friend…. I am an optimist and I am equally as hopeful you got some good feedback for me through this.



So, here’s the plan…. quit the 9-5 and buy the Ferrari, right? Yup, well maybe not the Ferrari more like stick it to the man and travel the world!



But as our master (twinaxe) have so well put it “start small little one”

*sigh* it’s going to take some time to get to that goal





So here I am ready to build my first consistently converting funnel making $x profit a day then $xx, $xxx, $xxxx and on and on.


Tools:
Page/hosting: Converti/AWS
Tracking: Voluum
Traffic Source: Propeller Ads??? (I think)
Offers: Ahhhh (taking network suggestions!)



So, what’s the overall goal here? (Well other than my desire to have the finest this world can offer?)

1. Learn to make consistently profitable funnels
2. Create my own WL/BL with a converting funnel
3. Learn to scale those profitable funnels
4. Create the baseline skills and knowledge to carry on to Native ads and maybe some larger scale push campaigns.



Actually, my budget right now would let me start with native but what’s the rush? Might as well lay down a solid foundation and make money while doing it.

Also, I’ve wanted to do push for a while (Thanks to Zuck I get to pursue those dreams now).



If you made it this far I apologize for being the most unproductive 5 minutes of your time today.

Let’s go get it!

FYI: Sometimes I get anti-social especially online so this is also meant to help me make some new friends and force me to “socialize”

EDIT: Oh jeez and I messed up that title *PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT*. Whatever it'll add character

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Very cool man... welcome to STM!

It seems like ol' Zuck is sending legions of advertisers to other traffic sources lately...

But yeah, I actually started with YouTube and Bing and switched to native after being kicked off those, which was fortuitous, so similar situation to your's

Anyway excited to watch your progress man! Hope you get that Ferrari in no time!

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Hi @moe877! Nice follow-along!

I took the liberty of fixing that title for ya.

Yeah I hope FB figures things out soon. Looks like they're still reacting to IOS14 and haven't gotten their act together just yet.

In the meantime, there are other platforms.

All the best!



Amy


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Hey Man,
We are in this journey together, I started my follow along just yesterday also, I hope to start small and go bigger, if you want to interact with a newbie and work along together let me know.
I just started few campaigns but it's all red with sweepstakes.

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Thanks guys appreciate the kind words!

@leadmarketing any luck on the campaigns?



I do have a bit of an update took some time to get things working right, but now they are!

Right now running a "Test the new iPhone 13 Pro" type of SOI campaign on a 3 question quiz lander.

PO: $3 (SOI just email submit)
GEO: US
Lander: Simple quiz type ( 3 questions)

I just happen to have easy access to a few US type offers I know its a competitive geo but also would love to master it.


Any ways lets breakdown the campaign

Set up my flow and decided to test a few different types of creatives for the larger images so I set up a campaign for each creative type. and decided to test each creative to roughly 3x PO



They all had pretty low win rates and CTR also my BID was under the recommended.

But I got excited 3 straight conversions on a single creative type! Got my self all hyped up and everything! This might be my first profitable flow?!?!


So I then Decided to test the icon creatives with the well converting larger image.

LO and BEHOLD:



Nothing no conversions.... Now two of the campaigns aren't at 3x PO yet but still looks like its a dud.



So frustrating! I know it's my first real push campaign but it got my hopes up and then crushed them in like less than 24 hours.



So at this point I am 20x PO of testing this SOI offer. I guess the first 3 conversions were just super random "lucky ones".

I am thinking I give it another 10x PO on a different lander? I feel like the email submit is so simple (No name just a one page email submit) it should work if I can pre-sell right.

As well as test another sweeps type gift card US offer I have access to.

Let me know what you guys think!

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Why?

That´s not what I told there

Seriously, you can start with US but be prepared to spend quit some money then.

US is huge, US has lots of volume, US is very competitive, US has pretty high bids.

3 times payout is probably not enough for a geo like US.

When you have so much volume you mostly will receive traffic from so many different placements that most placements only have few clicks each.

Then you need to run more traffic to get meaningful stats.

Don´t set your bids too low, it won´t help you.

Start your tests with only icon and no big image.

Keep it as simple as possible.

Run easier geos, there are lots of recommendations here.

And better get used to campaigns that start good and then tank.

When this small setback already crushed your hopes you will have a hard time when your first 10, 20 or 30 campaigns all are not successful.

Don´t expect too much in the beginning, there are so many new things that you have to learn and so many mistakes that can be made so instead of setting the focus on finding profitable campaigns you should first set the focus on learning the bascis properly.

No, move on and run easier geos.

No, see above.

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Noted I can also appreciate the tough love there!

Have applied to offers for Mexico,Malaysia, and Indonesia it's what I had available for now in cheap geos with decent offers. Will run them once I approved and put up results.

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Only real love without sugarcoating

In my opinion honest but real answers are much better and more helpful than meking false hopes just to be "friendly".

I don´t want to give you a good feeling for the moment telling you that everything you do is great, I want to help you to be successful to have a good feeling for long time

Decent offers depends on the vertical and flow.
Can be a hit or miss and these are not the easiest geos.

The geos all have good volume, that´s right.

But for example in ID it´s good to focus on specific carriers because otherwise the volume is just too much.

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I agree does me no good nothing better than unbiased constructive feedback! I appreciate all of it so thank you!




So I imagine the recommendation would be like some East European and African Geo's?

I just got the ID offers approved so will test those while I look for offers in the above geo's.

From a carrier perspective I would imagine I do a little research and focus on the more premium one's in the ID geo?


As well from a work flow perspective does it make sense to DL offers to test any traction before making a lander? Obviously great for testing lot's of offers really quick but maybe not so great for many that require a little more pre-sell.

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Eastern Europe, Africa, some LATAM geos, Carribean.

Lots of geos to choice in these regions

For Africa be a bit careful, there are some geos that convert like crazy for some offers so that the bids there are extremely high.

It´s mostly XL that´s worth it.

It really depends on the offers.

Some offers can also convert direct linked, there it can help to speed up the testing.

When offers don´t convert good direct linked then you will mostly just increase your losses that way

What I like to do is to use simple multilanguage LPs that I can use for many differenht offers in many different geos.

If you want to test that approach feel free to check my threads, I made a tutorial how to make multi language LPs yourself.

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@twinaxe will for sure look to those guides when the amount of offers start to get out of hand!

Update for right now got approved on ID and MY offers. Set up 2 landers for each campaign/offer and used the following rules:

• 1st cut - Stop offer if no conversions after 10 x PO
• 2nd cut - Stop lander flow if less than 2 conversions after 10 x PO on each flow.

Results:

• 3 offers to continue to test.
• 2 offers for MY and 1 offer for ID
• 1 offer in MY is a DL (didn't feel it needed a lander because it had a decent one already built in)

Have to keep in mind there are 2 landers being split test on each campaign so the ROI based on 2 flow's not one.


So I have a few questions I had after running this:

• A few flows did meet the initial test criteria but honestly based on the amount of traffic in these GEO's I feel like there isn't nearly enough data to truly discard the flows? Or is this kind of like a probably not enough data but to cut down on testing we make these decisions because the best flows should stand out pretty quick?
• Next steps in my mind are to take the 3 better performing offers/flows and start trying to test different landers?
• At the same time I am looking for more SOI offers. Should I also consider offers in other flows like PIN submits or click2sms?

Thanks again!

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First things first, the 10x payout approach is just a rough approach - not more, not less.

In no way it´s workig for each and every campaign, unluckily that´s part of the game.
For every rule there are 5 exceptions from the rule

To bring it into context, when you run campaigns in very high volume geos you sometimes need to spend more than the 10x payout because otherwise it can happen that you don´t have meaningful stats otherwise.

You were completely right with your observation about it.

It´s probably an art on it´s own to find the right balance between "running long enough to get enough stats" and "stopping before it costs too much money".

In other situations you also can´t use the 10x payout rule that strict, it makes a huge difference if you run a $0.04 push sub offer in IN or a $1k FTP Crypto offer in Nordics.

For the low payout you can easily spend more than 10x payout, for the Crypto offer you shouldn´t have to spend 10x payout to know if it works or not.

Then there is one more important thing, just saying "10x payout" isn´t exactly how you should calculate your budget.

A better rule is

Nr of landing pages x Nr of offers x Average offer payout x 10 = Test budget

Let´s say you run a campaign with 3 offers and 4 LPs and you stick with the 10x offer payout.

When you keep each offer then running for 10x payout that´s distributed between 4 Landing pages then each offer/LP combination receives only 2.5x offer payout.

Yes, that approach can absolutely be more expensive but it´s better to spend money on good executed tests that don´t succeed instead of spending money on wrong executed tests that leave you behind with no meaningful stats because you didn´t give it the time it needs - That´s wasted money

These things however are true for offers that convert somehow.

For complete fails you can also use some kind of security fallback like "5x offer payout without any conversion - stop offer".

When something isn´t converting at all you don´t need to throw your money on it, better use the money for a new test = a new chance to find a winner.

About your screenshot, what is it?

Each line a different campaign?

Are all campaigns structured the same or do you run each offer in a separated campaign?

Also $0.06 CPC is probably too high for an offer with $0.64 payout, to break even the campaign has to convert 1:10, to be profitable even better.

And there we talk about the CR from trafficsource to offer.

Let´s assume your LP has 33% CTR, then only 1/3 of the users that reach your lander will go to the offer and you would pay $0.18 CPC for each LP click.

In this case the offer would need to have about 30% CR from LP to offer just to break even, that´s not really realistic.

As I said before, MY and ID are not the easiest geos to run.

Just because a geo has high volume, rather cheap traffic and also few offers available doesn´t mean that it works.

Better go with your next point:

In my opinion yes.

Such flows have 2 big advantages, first they give us the chance to run campaigns in geos where no or not many other good offers are avilable.

Additionally they have solid payouts for many of the geos where we can promote them, payouts that you won´t get for SOI offers in many of the geos, mostly there aren´t even SOI offers available anyway because these geos are not worth it for leadgen advertisers.

There mobile flows are much better and open many doors.

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Noted that's what I figured it's something that probably comes with time and repetition.

I did something similar but this I think your suggestion will be easier to follow.


Each line is a different campaign. One offer per campaign, 2 landers per campaign. All campaigns are pretty much structured the same the only stand out is the DL offer but even that one had 2 pre-landers to choose from so I tested both in that one campaign.



Yeah that was my other question I didn't ask mainly because my assumption would be if the flow was converting when I go to optimize the AD CTR it should bring my traffic cost down.

Though I suppose even if I was able to do to increase the CTR cut that CPC in half(I know probably a little too optimistic) its still a very difficult task to make it profitable.

I'm not smart enough to do it off the top my head so I threw it into excel real quick.

MY Offers -



ID Offers -




By these two like you said it is probably not possible to make these profitable.

I would think I should aim for something that puts that CV rate at 5% or lower at least? Thought process would be that anything above probably has no shot of profitability. While something around 5 you could probably turn some knobs to make profitable.





That was the biggest thing with those other lower tier GEO's was it was difficult to find SOI offers in them. Makes sense why when you explain it. So I will take the advice to heart then.

My next set of tests will look to use my little table above to evaluate offers and run these different flows in the easier geo's you had mentioned above.

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Yup, there are so many different things that could happen, you just can´t know it all.

That´s why it´s good to work with a stricter system in the beginning to have some order in what you do.

With time and experience you will learn automatically that this should be threatened different than that

Are these all completely different offers that you run them all in separated campaigns?

No, a higher CTR won´t bring your CPC bid down, it can only help to increase the volume.

When you want to bring the bid down you have to bid lower, simple facts

It´s not that much about fixed numbers like 5% CR or so, in the end it just have to have realistic chances to succeed.

In the end you not only want your campaign to break even, you want to make profit.

When you run low payout offers the possible profit margin is low anyway so to make such campaigns worth it you need 2 things: High volume and very good CR.

Your ID offer has $0.25 payout so your maximal possible profit margin is $0.24, then you would make $0.01 profit per conversion.

At $0.25 CPA you would already be at break even without any profit.

Right now your campaigns with these payouts run at -95% and -87% ROI, let´s focus on the -95% campaign in this example.

At this very moment you would need to make $5.50 pure profit to break even but you run at -95% so it´s not really realistic to suddenly get a boost and become profitable.

Let´s say you increase your performance in the next 2 days by 40%, then you´re still at -55% and the losses increase.

Not that fast anymore but they keep growing for now.

You continue optimizing and after 4 more days you are finally at a point where your conversions make profit but your losses are now already at let´s say $10.00.

Of course you won´t run it suddenly at 100% ROI, traffic also has it´s price and when you would get the campaign to 25% ROI you would pay about $0.20 per conversion to make $0.06 profit per lead.

Remember, from the first stage of the campaign you still have the $-10.00 that need to be compensated to break even with the whole campaign.

At 25% ROI you would need 166 conversions for these $10.00 and then you would need another 166 conversions each day for stable $10 profit/day provided the performance stays at 25% ROI.

I don´t know from what timeframe your screenshot above is but it shows only 1 conversion for that campaign.

Considering it´s from one day then you would need 166 days at this pace just to break even.

Even when you multiply the leads by 10 you would still need about 2 weeks to get the campaign to break even.

Again, to succeed with such low payout offers you need high volume and very good CTR.

Your campaigns has neither at this point and chances to to turn it into a real a winnerare pretty low, when it sucks today it will most probably suck tomorrow as well and it won´t magically become a golden goose all of a sudden

Long story short, this campaign will only hold you back without a real chance to become a winner.

Let it go because all time that you spend on such campaigns is time that you can spend much better somewhere else.

Just to make it clear, it doesn´t mean that low payout offers don´t work.

With enough volume and good conversion rate you can make lots of money with even lower payouts.

I´m eagerly waiting for the day when our great @larsometer posts his case study.

Seriously, it´s nothing less than absolutely amazing what he did and still does, I bet my left arm that quite a few people here won´t believe what they see there

Make some quick and dirty checks about your campaigns potential and often you can weed out campaigns that just block your time pretty fast.

It´s all a matter of practice and as long as you are still in learning mode just update your FA whenever there is anything and we will support you on your way as good as possible

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Have heard the shout out (also the one from matuloo). Guess I finally have to overcome my shyness and post my very first case study.

So in order to not chicken out... I herewith commit to post it by Monday night latest.

Uuuh... now expectations are set quite high. But I guess numbers are good enough to come close to some expectations.

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That's terrific news! We've been waiting eagerly for this one!

There will be a spot in the STM newsletter waiting for your contribution.

Thanks @larsometer!



Amy

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Now you scare a shy guy almost to death.

Anyhow... I might post it even today to finally overcome my bits of German Angst.

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Oops! Sorry about that - I'm sending lots of loving energy to compensate for the scare.

I know you'll be fine. My impression of Germans is that you guys are big action takers, efficient and bold. @twinaxe certainly fits the bill. Thanks for continuing to contribute to the community. And trust me - with everything you've shared up to now, you can do no wrong. So no need for any pressure.



Amy

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Turn it into the good ol' Teutonic thoroughness

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Already working on it... and trying to get some structure into my chaos.

The deeper I look into it the more it makes me wonder how this somehow all worked out so beautifully in the end

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Ooohh can't wait to read this one! I mean that's kind of how I look back at almost anything thats happened in my life lol



I mean I would think so like for example one was a KFC Sweep another was iPhone Sweep.

Perhaps the ID one could have some over lap with a iPhone Sweep and a Samsung Sweep.


I appreciate all the love and help! Honestly Im impressed how all you guys help out around the forum and run your own business's day to day!

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yep facebook have been brutal the past year with all the shut downs.

Im just getting started with Affiliate Marketing, have been doing some drop shipping in the past. I spoke to a few larger ecom store owners & some higher affiliates.

from my understanding, they have these issues happen to them as well and they still manage to run on facebook because they set up a system of profiles. They would have somewhere between 30-50 profiles at there disposal ready to go once their other profiles get shut by facebook. and when they scale they would scale up across multiple accounts.

they told me they would use a software called multi login with proxies to house each account so they are not running thru the same IP to avoid detection that they have multiple accounts. And before they would use these accounts to run, they would warm up the profiles first with PPE Campaigns. I personally have not tried this yet.

they would also have use agency accounts (from my understanding these are the platinum facebook accounts that do not get shut down as often and when they do, they have a high chance of getting them back apparently)

but want to provide a bit of value back to you, as Im making it a goal to better improve my network of affiliate marketers this year

hope this helps in any way possile~!

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Alright, thanks for clarification.

I just thought that you created separate campaigns for same offers instead of splittesting in same campaign

Thanks for the kind words, that alone makes it worth it for me

To be honest, the beginning is by far the hardest part.

You have to learn tons of new things, you have to put the things you learn into practice, you need to find your niche that works for you, once you find something you need to learn how to scale, you also need to learn how to know when to stop a campaign.

The more and the longer you run your stuff the easier it will be.

In the beginning you start with notrhing and have to take care of so much.

Later you start with knowledge about what to test and what now, you have blacklists and whitelists that make your testing faster, cheaper and more effective and most important: you have routines for most of your things so that you don´t need to spend that much time on such tasks anymore.

On the other hand I could also need 50 hours per day because I still try and do so many things that a normal day often is too short

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Apologies for the lengthy post I will try and do more regular updates!

It’s been a while since an update life got a little busy with some travels though I have been able to keep testing over the last month.

Was really hoping for a green funnel for this post but such is life

After the first few posts decided I should do some mass testing on those Haka click2sms offers on some tier 3 geos.



So I figured instead of push I would test them out on pops and anything that converts well I would try and move over to push.

Took the “win a prize” click2sms offers and decided to run those in Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Paraguay.



The stat above are for each offer with traffic from Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Paraguay. Obviously when I ran separate campaigns on propeller for each geo decided to shut them off early after no conversions on 10 x PO.




I then did the same thing on the adult chat offers except this time I ran them in Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Paraguay, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Jordan, Syria.


Really I was trying to throw darts and see if anything stuck. Below graphic is similar to above, stats are for each offer with GEO traffic combined.



Nothing not a single conversion wtf? I know technically it’s not enough testing for each geo and offer I have going. But really not a single conversion???


My dumbass then realizes I should’ve talked to the AM first! Asked what geos are converting etc. Sometimes I’m just slow…. But its ok all a part of the process.



My AM for Haka gave me list of 19 converting Geos with the carriers too!


So I said ok lets get serious here…. I took @twinaxe advice above and looked into the multi-language landers. This saint made it so easy for us all!


I took those tutorials and made me 4 different multi-language landers.


Gift prize lander
Download content lander
Adult chat lander
Virus cleaner lander


Took me a little time to get it working but well worth the time these new skills and tools will come in handy so THANK YOU @twinaxe !


Ok so armed with the new lander and converting geos/carriers


My plan was to set up pop campaigns in all of those geos to run every single offer so I can get an Idea of what converts and what does not.


The initial results honestly looked promising! They showed the content/captcha offers far exceeding any other type of click2sms offers.


The virus ones I kept getting shut down on with Propeller no matter how mellow I made the lander so I just quit on those.





Now keep in mind each lander has multiple offers and geo traffic above On Propeller I set up a different campaign for each geo/carrier. (Maybe not the cleanest method but was fast and helped identify what was working)


So yes right now the overall ROI was not great (remember the number represents a bunch of offers combined) but some of those captcha offers showed promise with converting specifically in Russia.




So I figured why not try and optimize a funnel with that the converting carrier in Russia since it seems to be working then try and copy that funnel to other geos to test further.




So next step was to try and weed down the content/captcha offers to the best converting offer.


Snip of content/captcha offer test



Alright not the worst considering I was on RON with the converting carrier. The top 3 are pretty similar so I just picked one and decided to try and see if I could try different landers/angles to improve the ROI to then cut placements.




Snip of different landers/angles with best converting offer


Damn it my options did not pan out…. Now this is really where I should’ve kept working but for some reason I thought I should try and optimize placements a little bit based on this info. Didn’t really work out as you can imagine….




On the side separate from the click2sms offers at the same time I thought hey Russia seems to be converting why don’t I try some Mobipium offers for that geo.


Russia Mobipium offers


Wtf 1 conversion?? I double checked the carrier settings were right on the campaigns and everything…




Ok what ever I thought Ill just focus on the Haka ones. So I thought lets take the converting captcha offer and lander and try it in other geos.

Figured I would start in east Asia and making my way west.


Each geo was an individual campaign in Propeller…. no conversions? Is this really that finicky??


I know some geos spent the money quicker I just in general stopped the test at this point because it just was not converting.


So….. what now with these click2sms offers?
Quit find other offers?
Try them on push?
Try and work more landers and angles with the converting offers?

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You have two options:

#1 Try more geos where there is sufficient but not too much traffic ( ID has way too much traffic) and where traffic is cheap. In Africa you can find several geos that fulfill that criteria.

#2 Try other offers with very low payouts (under 10ct) since these usually convert more often/faster.

In the beginning all you need is conversions in order to get an understanding about patterns (and of course not too high losses). If an offer is not giving you regular conversions it is best to move on. In the beginning it is all about trying and less about analytics and skills (you get both from trying and testing as much as possible).

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Well looks like itll be option 2 gave 1 a try but no dice.

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With click2sms on Pops I have most success with Cpatcha or Download offers.

I have to thank you, I am always happy when I see that someone uses my stuff

I don´t know if you have seen the thread but I shared a good working multi language LP for Download/Captcha offers HERE

Russia can be a hard nut to crack, tried it many times myself and succeeded only very few times.

Not every geo works for these offers and not all geos that work will work at every time.

Focus on Captcha and Download offers, test these ofers in different geos.

They also work direct linked on pops so it´s good for some quick and dirty tests

Also check the top geos from Haka so that you don´t just randomly test.

Good geos are for example many African geos although some of them have very high bids nowadays, Carribean can also work good, CIS geos as well.

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Sorry guys been gone a bit you know how it is life catches up and the day job keeps you busy!

I did use that lander actually thanks so much for the little treat!

Again really only found any significant traction in Russia though it was good learning tool to help me finally get some conversions going!


This was really a helpful tip I recommend it to anyone starting! It really helped to get a significant amount of conversions from these surveys to understand patterns like @larsometer says. Got some African Geo's into small profits for a short time but wasn't very stable. But again it really helped show me how the mechanics of it all worked!


I dont know how you guys run hundreds of these smaller campaigns and keep them going very very impressive!!!


Right now I am trying to get a feel for what I should do next. I've got a decent sized test budget with and some free time coming up.


I've been really wanting to try and run weight loss/nutra on push for a while but wanted to understand pitfalls with it. I know that time of year is coming and everyone's fat loss resolutions to make so I was thinking of getting started now to really see if I can make a big splash with it in the new year.

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AM is my day job

It´s not doable without automation.

TheOptimizer can be a real gamechanger there.

Few years ago I also ran some tests with COD offers on push.

Results were ok but at this time Propeller only had CPM for Push, nowadays the results would probably be much better.

Want to give it another try for some time already but didn´t find time for it yet.

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When I grow up I want to be just like @twinaxe :P



Sounds like I need to do some testing and throw up the results here .

What networks have some good COD offers? I wish Clickbank had some international offers.

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Be careful what you wish, sometimes it becomes true...

...And then you´re not prepared for it

Adcombo is probably one of the most popular ones but I also tested Dr Cash.

What I liked on Dr Cash is that you can select what pre landers and offer pages you want to use and direct link then.

For COD you should definitely also try direct linking to the offer without pre lander, can work good sometimes.

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You are half way there when you can listen to "his" music for more than 2 hours straight

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Not even close to halfway there, I'm truly unique.

"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

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Perhaps sometimes perfection is limited...for who knows what the consequences might be of mass production :P

So I wanted to understand the COD offers flow

1. Offer page where a consumer can input a phone number and name
2. They get a call from the call center which I assume will further sell them on the offer?
3. If they decide to move ahead with the purchase a shipment is sent to them
4. They pay the "courier" who then pays out the company

When does my credit for the sale happen? Do I get the conversion after the successful sell over the phone and then it would only be paid out once the consumer buys it?

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Flow for COD offers is like this:

- User orders a product, enters name and phone number
- User receives call from call enter to ask if the order is right and to finalize the order
- If user gives his ok the product is shipped
- User pays on delivery

You get paid when the user finalizes the sale with the call center.

User gives his ok to finalize the sale on phone - > You get paid.

That's why it's important to to run the campaigns during times when the call center is active.

The faster the call domes the better the chances to convert.

When the user has too much time between making the order and getting the call the chances increase that he will cancel the order.

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It also seems some call centers can lack in just following on leads too.

Anyways little update. Signed up with Dr.Cash and thought the male enhancement offers/landers looked fun lol... so decided to make a quick multi language enhancement lander that would be propeller ads compliant to then link to the offers for like 20 geos.

I only ran each Geo to 1xCPA because I was just seeing if any particular produced signifiant leads. Which 2-3 of them show promise in lead volume those of which I'll give a little more budget to.

I noticed from Anstrex that no one seems to be promoting these Nutra offers on propeller they seem to be on other push traffic sources so I might need to change up that as other Geo's for the most part did not perform in term of leads.

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Do you have a tutorial to follow to make those multi-language landings, this is the most confusing part on AM for me right now.

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@leadmarketing Check my threads, I made a tutorial about it

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For reference: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-Landing-Pages


Amy

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Yup, that´s one of the threads that I meant but I absolutely recommend to use it together with THIS ONE.

I also have an idea how to improve/change the setup a bit.

When I would switch from Smodin to Google Translate for the translations it would be completely free of charge and it could also translate to many more (100+) languages.

But that´s not on top of my priority list right now so it will probably take some time until I work on it

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