Make the first $10 profit with Push Traffic or die trying (15)
Hello everyone,
A brief introduction and excuse my foul English language; it's not my native language.
I'm N, 32 years old, an IT field worker for over five years; my online journey started with social media marketing exactly Instagram, where I managed to get my bigger account to +450k followers and made some money from it( and still) using shout-outs and Clickbank offers even though isn't that much.
I have been thinking about affiliate marketing for some time now, and I started my journey a couple of months by reading a lot first.
I have some basic understanding; I ran a couple of campaigns where I made my first dollar but, of course, with a lot of loss which is normal.
The doubts come to your mind because you're losing money while testing, so I try to set my mind to the right mentality.
Right now, I'm running the same offer from Clickdealer, GoldenGoose, it's a sweepstake, and the GEO is EGYPT.
I'm using Bemob because it gives you the first 100k visits for free, but I already hate it, so that I will switch soon either to
I'm running the traffic in ProperllerAds, AdMaven, and sometimes in RichAds.
I'm using Anstrex push spy tool to gather landing pages.
I have three landing pages, two ripped from the spy tool and cleaned and one made from scratch following a lander I found on purelander but changed the language...etc.
Some screenshots maybe you can you guys give me some hints:
1.Bemob:
2.Clickdealer:
3.Goldengoose:
4.PropellerAds:
5.AdMaven:
Some questions to you guys:
Is there any website I can use alternative to:gtmetrix.com as now they require a pro version to check mobile and other geos, which I don't want to save money for more important stuff?
Can I use the ProPush.me push script in my landing pages and by your experience guys, which is better, ProPush or Monetizer for better payment, or any alternative you guys can suggest.
The landers all succeeded the under 1 ms speed, but I couldn't test in mobile or even geo near EGYPT, my GEO.
I Hope someone experienced enough can suggest to me some other good traffic sources used with the EGY geo as AdMaven looks terrible.
PS: if anyone wants to monitor me in exchange for some help regarding their social media growth or exposure, please hit me up: live:.cid.80ee1c9bfd30ee07
Thank you, guys.
Hello guys,
Sorry for the late updates, anyhow I have been running a couple of offers and campaigns,
I'm struggling to find the same offer in more than one aff network, I will aprectitate if any of you can help me with this point with a thread from the forum and a personal experience, I used offervault and affbank, but they don't give me that accurate results for my reseach so I would aprectiate if any of you experiened guys help me. @vortex, I followed your optimisations on the 40 days pop tutorial however i'm running push which make me wonder the best way to optimize the creatives or just follow the rule of more then 5000 and without click get rid of it? All my creatives on PropellerAds pass this test? so How I can optimize them further?
There's 2 rules I found for stopping the offer which is @vortex approch and @caurmen approche, one says after 10* offer payout and the other says 4* offer payout if there's no conv kill it.
I would love which one you guys advise to stick more or what's other guys approach.
I'm runnig right now, EGY sweeps offer with pin submit for 0.3 usd and it's running on PropellerAds, I run it in adMaven and stopped it because it didn't get a lot of conversions and I'm testing it on RichAds now too,
Im running anther offer on JO, the offer is a sweeps Iphone 12 pin submit and the payout is 2.2 usd, I just got 1 conversion so far from almost 14 usd spent, So i hope you guys can give me some advice regarding the statics I'm going to share below:
1-PropellerAds
2-RichAds:
3-Clickdealer
4-Bemob
Do you guy advice me to keep running any of this offer or kill them?
The only one that I think has some potential is the EGY clickdealer with propellerads offer.
I would love to know your approach to find the same offer on multiple aff networks.
Does the optimisation used on the 40 days tutorial can be applied to push normally or I have to change somthing?
@twinaxe, I would love to get some advises about my statics and aproaches to find the same offer in multiple networks
Is there a percentage CTR you guys fiollow to kill creatives or landing or just use the A/B test mentioned by caurmen on his newbie tutorial?
If anyone can offer some proved working offer I'm ready to test them all today.
Thank you guys.
Hey there, seems I missed your thread.
Sorry for that, will reply on detail when I am on my PC 
Thanks Amy, I'm urgently waiting for your advises
Originally Posted by leadmarketing
vortex = Amy
twinaxe = Not Amy
If you only want to see how fast your website or its elements are loading you can just use Chromes dev mode (CTRL + Shift + i)
I didn´t compare PropUsh vs Monetizer that much myself but as far as I know @jaybot did so maybe he can tell a thing or two about it.
I would love which one you guys advise to stick more or what's other guys approach.
Stop when no conversions at all at 4 or 5 x offer payout, when there are conversions but ROI still too low to make it worth it stop after 10x payout.
How many creatives, how many landers, how many offers, stats by placement and so on would help alot to get a better understanding.
As a rule of thumb we can say that CTR should be high enough to receive good volume.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Propush tends to be more picky about where you use their backbutton, but super easy to make new links and run push subs once you've verified a domain.
Monetizer takes a bit more time to get setup because you need your own domain and have to wait for their SSL to kick in, and a bit of a hassle to switch it out, but their backbutton is way easier to use. Plus their stats are way more detailed.
Sorry @twinaxe, I'm drunk from not sleeping a lot and managing 2 jobs and a familly,
I will share more screenshots and details about the offers in a bit when on my pc.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
vortex = Amy
twinaxe = Not Amy
No, to be honest but I don´t even care much about such stuff.
If you only want to see how fast your website or its elements are loading you can just use Chromes dev mode (CTRL + Shift + i)
Yes, you can use it.
I didn´t compare PropUsh vs Monetizer that much myself but as far as I know @jaybot did so maybe he can tell a thing or two about it.
1ms or 1s?
I already replied to your post about it HERE
You can also just combine the approaches.
Stop when no conversions at all at 4 or 5 x offer payout, when there are conversions but ROI still too low to make it worth it stop after 10x payout.
Not really, the screenshots itself don´t tell mucha bout the campaigns.
How many creatives, how many landers, how many offers, stats by placement and so on would help alot to get a better understanding.
See above, hard to tell without more details.
Neither of these two, I don´t have a strict rule for the CTR because it can differ based on geo, mobile vs desktop, vertical and so on.
As a rule of thumb we can say that CTR should be high enough to receive good volume.
Check my case studies and campaign guides
I have EGY geo, I run 2 offers, one from clickdealer with a 0.3 usd payout, and the other is 0.72 usd from goldengoose, they are the same offer: pin submit
I used 3 landing pages, I got from purelander, translate them to arabic and used them.
I used 4 creatives on PropelllerAds and AdMaven , then tested RichAds too.
Unfortunalty RichAds doesn't offer zone statics which is weird, but I have the ones from propllerAds
EGY-ZONE ID propelllerads:
EGY -OFFERS/ propellerAds: first one is clickdealer with 0.3 payout, second goldengoose with 0.72 payout.
EGY LANDING PAGES propellerAds: 3 landing pages used
Richads EGY OFFER:
EGY-Richads landing pages:
JO-PropllerAds: Offer
JO-PropellerAds: landings
jo-propellerAds zone id:
I stopped the propllerAds campaign as it passed the 10* offer payout( 2.2usd) without any conversions.
Here's the stats of RichAds for the JO OFFER:
I got 2 conversions for this offer after spending $8.32 which is promising I guess
The bid I set was 0.01 but I lift it to 0.011 after some article I read about bidding higher with a cent and how it can help ...etc I don't know but i'm just trying.
So what you think guys? @vortex @twinaxe, any advises?
Do you advise trying to run the same offer with Pop and push in the same time?
webpush/in page different campaign?
I didn't include stats for the others offers because they were a dud since begining so I didn't want to make it a big thread.
About the EG offer, I personally never got EG running on profit as far as I remember.
It´s tempting because there´s lots of volume for cheap price but nonetheless I never succeeded there.
So on Richads you had 2 leads = $4.40 revenue after spending $8.32?
If yes, run some more volume to see if it keeps converting.
Could be worth it.
On Richads make sure to get rid of non vonverting sublists and focus on the good ones.
You can still re-test the other ones when you have a solid funnel.
For example I test some offers on pops first, others on push, other on in-page and others on all 3 together.
It depends on the offer itself, traffic available, bids and so on.
Mandatory for these approach is of course that the offers work on all these traffic types.
Then I check, when pop has good volume and fair bids I test on pops.
Sometimes pops is too expensive, then I test on push because it converts better although volume is also lower.
When push is much more expensive than in-page I test on in-page.
That´s just a rough overview to show why I have different test approaches.
I guess best is to just test alot and get a feeling for it, find patterns.
Btw, would be great when you could keep the screenshots a bit smaller or shorter for a better overview.
Unfortunately, the offer with RichAds stopped bringing many conversions compared to the cost, so I had to stop it,
I launched few other campaigns and tested the Pop traffic with SA geo, I got rekt with spending 70 USD without any conversion in less than 4 hours, so I stopped the offer too because it was paying 2.2 USD
I started a new campaign and would love to get some feedback today if it's possible; @twinaxe ?
It's an AV offer for SA; the payout is 2.4 USD, pin submitted from click dealer, the AM confirmed it converts better on Push.
I used three clean LP, very fast, less than 500 ms speed test, got them from the pure lander.
I used four creatives with icons and images retrieved from anstrex for campaigns working for months, so I'm sure they do work somehow.
I spent 65.70 USD on PropellerAds, most of it on classic Push and a small portion on in page push; I got five conversions
Here's the statics from PropllerAds:
Stats from Bemob
The landers can't be optimized with this small amount of conversions.
Creatives:
Zone Ids:
The conversions all came from Android; I didn't test desktop though, is anyone still running a desktop with profits even with less volume.
I would appreciate some feedback; I'm feeling ready to give up.
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Unfortunately, the offer with RichAds stopped bringing many conversions compared to the cost, so I had to stop it,
I launched few other campaigns and tested the Pop traffic with SA geo, I got rekt with spending 70 USD without any conversion in less than 4 hours, so I stopped the offer too because it was paying 2.2 USD
I started a new campaign and would love to get some feedback today if it's possible; @twinaxe ?
It's an AV offer for SA; the payout is 2.4 USD, pin submitted from click dealer, the AM confirmed it converts better on Push.
I used three clean LP, very fast, less than 500 ms speed test, got them from the pure lander.
I used four creatives with icons and images retrieved from anstrex for campaigns working for months, so I'm sure they do work somehow.
I spent 65.70 USD on PropellerAds, most of it on classic Push and a small portion on in page push; I got five conversions
Here's the statics from PropllerAds:
Stats from Bemob
The landers can't be optimized with this small amount of conversions.
Creatives:
Zone Ids:
The conversions all came from Android; I didn't test desktop though, is anyone still running a desktop with profits even with less volume.
I would appreciate some feedback; I'm feeling ready to give up.
I used three clean LP, very fast, less than 500 ms speed test, got them from the pure lander.
About the stats, at this point it´s hard to say what to do.
The offer is converting so it could be worth it but as you can see only 1 zone reached 1x payout so you would need to keep it running for some time to receive enough stats for all zones to either keep them running or block them.
SA isn´t the cheapest geo and it would cost some money so you should be aware of it.
On the other hand SA is a pretty stable geo for AV pin submits.
But again, when you don´t run it aggressive then other affiliates who run it aggressive will have a big competitive advantage.
When it´s not doing good on mobile it also won´t work on desktop so test it first on mobile.
Other verticals are also doing good on desktop traffic.
Regarding AV on desktop, there I would rather run Norton and not pin submits.
About your creatives, test them first without big image.
Then you have 1 element less to take care of and it´s working just as good or even better than with big image.
For AV I also prefer to don´t use such smiley like emojis, warning sign and arrow are ok.
Imagine that you receive a push notification on your phone that your device is infected with viruses and then you see a sad smiley there.
I wouldn´t take it for serious.
Often users that convert on our offers are not the smartest ones but for things like AV offers I try to keep a rather "official" and reputable impression to make it look more professional and serious.
Thanks, @twinaxe for the helpful advice, I will remove the big image and change the emojis also, I will run the offer more and see,
Can you advise me to a traffic source that I can run aggressively? propeller ads won't let me, unfortunately.
But you shouldn´t think about running that aggressive anyway when you don´t know how to hide your traces.
Trafficsources are only one part of the game, even when you are allowed to run the most aggressive campaigns on earth you also need to know how to avoid that your domains get flagged.
Otherwise you can in worst case switch domains at hourly intervals.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
But you shouldn´t think about running that aggressive anyway when you don´t know how to hide your traces.
Trafficsources are only one part of the game, even when you are allowed to run the most aggressive campaigns on earth you also need to know how to avoid that your domains get flagged.
Otherwise you can in worst case switch domains at hourly intervals.
My landers aren't aggressive I just want to use aggressive creatives that's all
Let me show you an example from a proven campaign that is running successful for many months already on other platforms and that I tested on Datspush:
The funnel is optimized and usually converting very good.
On Datspush however you have zones and sites.
Each zone consists of many sites.
This brings you in a situation where you receive traffic from many different sites that each only send few clicks so that basically none of the sites reaches just 1x offer payout but the total spend still increases and increases.
In that case you just have to run some volume and eat some losses to find out which zones are the better ones so that you can run WL campaigns on these zones and BL the sites inside these zones.
Just to give you an idea, LPs like this are working best for mobile AV offers:
When you run non-aggressive and others run such LPs it will be very hard for you to compete.
Btw, what´s the offer you want to run?
If you don´t want to tell in public you can also send me a PM.
Some mobile AV offers can also be promoted in a slightly different way where you don´t need aggressive AV landers but it depends on the offer if it works or not.
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