Can I Finally Create And Run A Profitable Campaign On POP in 2021? It will be fun! (37)
Most importantly, I'm lazy.
Otherwise you will have a hard time.
If you are not a better coder than anyone else, not a better copywriter than anyone else, not a better data analyst than anyone else, when you don´t have better connections than anyone else, when you don´t have access to private or non-pub offers then anyone else you just have to work more than anyone else to have a competitive advantage.
And 3 campaigns in several days are nothing, I often create 20-30 campaigns a day, sometimes it´s even up to 100 campaigns (testing and scaling) and that although I would say I know a bit of coding, data analyses, have few connections and also have access to non-pub offers
Spending/wasting $36 on a low payout offer that doesn´t convert is also way too much.
They both have advantages and disadvantages.
Advantage of pop is that you don´t need additional creatives and that you can get high volume for rather low cost.
Advantage of push is that it´s user intended traffic and often converts better.
Run whatever works best for you
Btw, would be great when you could insert images properly, then it´s much easier to read.
A link how to do it is in my signature.
Analyzed my POP campaigns that I ran on mobile devices. A few thoughts:
1. How does POP work on a mobile device? A new tab opens in the background. This is how it looks on IOS.
Chrome:
Safari:
How likely is it that the user will see that they have a new tab in their browser? I think it's very low, not many people remember that he had 18 tabs and he had the 19th tab open. In fact, we're not dealing with SOI, we're dealing with DOI. This dramatically reduces our CTR and CR.
2. What can be done to increase conversions? I can try to make campaigns using an alert. I'll have to see if that works in 2021.
3. Another idea. You could make a back-fix link, and put either a showcase of offers on that link, or rotate offers that haven't been tested yet.
I'll keep you posted.
Best wishes,
Kirill
I checked few streaming sites myself and there the tab opens in the foreground.
If the tab opens in background you can use a JS alert, it brings the tab to the foregorund (although I am not 100% sure if it works on iOS as well)
There are different approaches how to use backbutton scripts.
Some people build complicated backbutton funnels, others send the users directly to the offer, others send the users to a different LP for the same offer.
I mostly send backbutton traffic to a Monetizer link, then they can either convert directly or become a push subscriber.
Hi All,
I have received list of recommended offers from my AMs Haka,
At the moment my results are like this:
(A couple of campaigns on the dating was launched by my partner, there is obviously more luck. We agreed that I would act on the 40-Day Tutorial, while he would use our old ideas to launch dating offers.)
What am I still doing wrong?
Many thanks,
Kirill
It´s impossible to tell what you´re doing wrong when we don´t even know what you´re doing at all.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
It´s impossible to tell what you´re doing wrong when we don´t even know what you´re doing at all.
1. Picked up few offers with relatively small payouts on Tier 3 GEOs. I chose an offer that I was advised by my affiliate managers at
2. Then I created campaign in my Binom tracker:
3. Created campaign in PropollerAds:
4. I created one campaign for MOB and another for Desktop. Results for right now are:
5. Popads сampaign pending moderation.
I think I know what the problem is. Just tested an offer using my tracking link. I used my mob with Malaysian VPN on. So, overall time to open offer page took about 8 sec. Probably it's too long, that's why there are no conversions.
On the other hand, given that the traffic goes from Europe to Malaysia, and it's all under a VPN. What the actual rate of opening of the offerer remains unclear. Isn't there some tool to test mobile offers in the target GEOs ?
My manager from
If the problem is not speed, I still can't figure out why the high-converting offer doesn't work for me. Let's wait for Popads to approve the campaign, maybe there will be a different picture.
Just a simple question: Are you using any own landers or do you direct link all your offers?
HAKA offers may very well work without own landers. But for sweeps you should really get some landers. Seriously.
You can host them on your
Originally Posted by larsometer
Yes, that's a great idea! No, I didn't use any landers. You're absolutely right, that may be the very reason why I don't have any conversions.
Originally Posted by van graaf
As expected, PopAds traffic can't do miracles:
I would really like to ask the STM gurus for advice on where to find suitable landing pages?
Are there any other options besides Adplexity? Spent a lot of time there yesterday, I did not see anything suitable.
Many thanks in advance!
Kirill
Anstrex is nice as well. If you can't find suitable lps, build them by yourself using inspiration from a spy tool. At the moment, you are just wasting your money.. can't do much with direct linking if you don't have a super good offer suitable for direct linking (don't go looking for them, they are very rare.. your time is spent better building lps).
Apart from that... don't think too much what is suitable. Just try what other people use for similar offers.
You will be surprised how well some of the ugliest landers can perform. Not saying that ugly always will win... but it can.
Are there any other options besides Adplexity? Spent a lot of time there yesterday, I did not see anything suitable.
You run sweepstakes, there are not that many good LPs out there and you can find all of them on Adplexity.
In the end it´s enough to have one spinwheel, one survey and one giftbox in different languages.
One of them will work in 99% (assuming the offer is good)
Originally Posted by twinaxe
As far as I understand it, landers must match the subject of the offer. In addition, they must engage the user. Often a highly artistic lander doesn't work at all, and something amateurish will work very well.
I think I've just found a landing page that I need, I can't wait to launch. It's about to become clear quickly.
There´s no need to download specific landers for every offer/prize that you promote.
As I said before, a spinwheel, a survey and a giftbox lander in different languages is more or less all you need to run sweeps.
You can customize all of these landers to match many different offers/prizes.
Woohoo! New Pops FA!
Now I can finally retire mine?
Originally Posted by jaybot
And here's my latest news.
Just to remind you, my goal is to get profitable campaigns on POP traffic in the sweepstakes vertical.
So, so far, I haven't had a single conversion. Partner networks: Hakka, Mobipium,
I think the problem is exactly with the landing pages. Registered at Landerlab, I'll try to make a new landing page from the scratch.
Any advice would be appreciated.
For example you could tell what you did so far, how many/what landing ages you tested, how many/what offers you tested, what targeting you used, how much you spent per offer/campaign, how did you set your bid and so on and so forth.
Just telling that you don´t receive conversions without more information makes it next to impossible to give advice because there are so many factors involved.
The more info you provide the better we can help
Originally Posted by twinaxe
For example you could tell what you did so far, how many/what landing ages you tested, how many/what offers you tested, what targeting you used, how much you spent per offer/campaign, how did you set your bid and so on and so forth.
Just telling that you don´t receive conversions without more information makes it next to impossible to give advice because there are so many factors involved.
The more info you provide the better we can help
Originally Posted by van graaf
The only thing you might possibly want to hide is the domain, but even then, if you get profitable a new domain is cheap.
Or do you mean the slot machine with "spinning drum"?
If you mean this lander: It´s not working that good with sweeps.
Let me quote myself from this thread
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Originally Posted by twinaxe
If you want to feel free to share the LP here and we can check the code.
Few domains can help in case a domain gets flagged so that you have replacement right away but what you plan is overkill and only makes it more complicated than needed.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Or do you mean the slot machine with "spinning drum"?
If you mean this lander: It´s not working that good with sweeps.
Originally Posted by twinaxe
I had an idea to use spinning wheel, but again I'm not sure about the code. I would really appreciate if you can take a look on https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7a3p3japt...dvF00B5qa?dl=0
Many thanks for your valuable advices and help!
Originally Posted by twinaxe
I'll check the LP tomorrow when I'm back on my PC.
Some people are even using only their CDN URL for landers
Originally Posted by twinaxe
Some people are even using only their CDN URL for landers
@twinaxe
Hey @van graaf if you are concerned about the landing pages you can check out the LP threads on this forum. I found it easier to change these instead of trying to fix the ones you rip from spytools and these landing pages already cleaned for you so dont have to worry about stealing your traffic. Changing the LP for your prize all you have to do is change wording, links and copy paste picture of new prize into LP folder and name it to the same. Like (iphone11 pic=a.jpg) so if you want advertise a samsung offer just get a picture and name the same (samsung pic=a.jpg). Also do the same if you want a different color gift box. Use the ripped LP to get the desired pictures and just paste it into the already cleaned LP folder.
Check these if you havent:
https://stmforum.com/forum/forumdisp...age-Depository
https://stmforum.com/forum/forumdisp...-Landing-Pages
Also if you have adplexity go to settings/account and download the 250 LP megapack already cleaned for you
and of course @twinaxe shared his Ultimate sweeps lander too
Hope it helps! Good luck m8
Anyway, it doesn´t matter if SCPM or CPA, especially in highly competitive geos (for example US and AU) you also have to run highly competitive bids when you want to receive high volume of quality traffic.
You also don´t know what other people are running there.
When you run a sweep SOI with $2 street payout but others are running $12 credit leadgen then the others can run at much higher payouts.
Another point is that many affiliates try to run campaigns for maximum ROI, the big guys go for maximum volume.
At lower scale it can work good to go for maximum ROI but in the long run it will limit your volume and thus your maximum profit potential.
When you start running higher volumes you will come to the point where a low ROI on high volume will surpass a high ROI on low volume.
Let´s check it with a very basic example:
Affiliate A is running a $1 offer on pop traffic with $1 CPM to get a high ROI.
His CVR is 0.5% so for each 1k visits he generates 5 conversions.
Because of the low bid he can only get 5k visits a day so he´s getting 25 conversions per day.
For these 5k visits he would pay $5 and receive $25 revenue.
This would be a great ROI of 400% but possible profit would be only $20 because of the low bid his traffic is limited.
Affiliate B is running the same offer at $4 CPM to get high volume.
His CVR is also 0.5% so for each 1k visits he generates 5 conversions.
With the high bid affiliate B is getting 50k visits a day so he´s getting 250 conversions per day.
For these 50k visits he would pay $200 and receive $250 revenue.
Although his ROI is only 25% he will make $50 profit each day.
To sum it up, affiliate A has a very high ROI of 400% and is making $20 profit per day, affiliate B has a ROI of only 25% but is making double the profit of affiliate A because he runs at more competitive bids and receives more volume.
The example is pretty basic but good enough to show the effect of low bid with high ROI vs high bid and volume with low ROI.
And as I said before, it´s not only about the volume but also about the quality and you won´t get the best traffic when you bid too low.
Especially in the test stage of a campaign it´s better to bid a bit too high than too low.
In the test stage you want to check if your campaign can generate conversions and to do so you need traffic that´s good enough to generate conversions.
I can absolutely understand the reasoning to bid low so that you can save some money.
Reality is that often the opposite happens and you lose more money.
The nasty thing about it is that often you don´t even realize that you lose more money that way because you just see "My campaign didn´t convert so I am happy that I didn´t bid higher, then I would have lost more money".
It can happen that you miss good campaigns that would make really good money just because you run at low bids.
With low quality traffic in the test stage it can seem that your campaign is not converting although it would convert very good when you run it on higher quality traffic.
Thank you for the very clear explanation. Of course, higher rates will allow us to buy more traffic. And it will be higher quality traffic.
I have a slightly different problem right now. My working offers have practically stopped giving conversions. Tried other GEOs and sources, everywhere is deep deep negative ROIs even at the highest bids. Have the big guys come in? Yeah, anyway, what do I care.
I would like to ask for advice on how to test the offers. The main question is what kind of offers are worth testing? AM recommendations for some reason mostly do not work.
I have these options right now:
A. Choose one affiliate network, one source, and run the offer on several GEOs.
or
B. Choose one affiliate network, one source, one GEO and test 5-10 offers in one campaign. Test with wide targeting, just will run separate MOB and Desktop. Or maybe I should not even test Desktop on offer's initial test phase?
To be more specific I'm going to test offers from Zeydoo, and will use PropellerAds for source. Was testing offers from Haka and from Traffic Company but never was able to het positive result.
I'm planning to spend up to x10 payouts per each offer per each GEO.
I'm intended to spend about $500 for testing to find at least one good working offer. Is it really possible? What if I will spent $5000 and still will not be able to find profitable offer? This is one of my main questions while working in affiliate marketing.
I will be really appreciate if you can advise most suitable testing method.
Hello, my dears.
I hope I did not ask anything indecent in my previous post. There is an excruciating silence, which I will now break.
So, let's continue to improve our knowledge and put it into practice. Re-read the 40-Day Tutorial by @vortex. Learned recommendations from @twinaxe and @jaybot. Studied 'Most Boring' FA. Once again, my admiration and respect for these incredible people. Got enough inspiration to keep experimenting and get my campaigns into a steady plus. Well, let's say the first $1000 a month could mean my transition from perpetual newbie to something more meaningful.
Why not stop getting ahead of myself and finally start acting on the manual? After all, I ran a mass-test of Haka's offers. I divided the test into two groups. A) Offers that I would run with my own landing pages. B) a group of offers with their own landings. I'm running all these tests on small GEOs advised by @jaybot.
This is how I started:
This is after 12 hours.
Group A:
Group B:
Usually I already replied to your previous post but maybe I forgot to click on "send" because as we can see there is no reply
Even when an offer is converting extremely good in the networks backend it doesn´t automatically mean that it will convert for you as well.
SOI/Email submit, installs, 1/2 click, pin submit.
As a beginner I would start with clickflow or pin submit because there you can get good offers in lower tier geos.
This can help to keep the cost down so that you can test more.
But when it´s not working don´t shy away from testing more CPA networks.
Offer is king so a supply for good offers is most important.
The less budget you have the higher the pressure will be to succeed.
This can lead to emotional driven decisions and that should be avoided at all costs.
Also don´t forget that these $500 would not only be to find a working offer, it´s also used to learn the basics how to properly run campaigns at all.
It also depends on how fast you learn and how good you implement what you learn.
The first time is the hardest part, there you shouldn´t even focus too much on making profit, there you should better focus on learning how to run campaigns.
Just test a bunch of different offers with easy flows in low tier geos to get used to the whole progress a bit.
That´s a good way to learn the basics of running campaigns and most probably you will get conversions along the way.
At one point you will feel confident enough to run either higher payouts or more volume.
When you want to learn how to run campaigns you have to run campaigns
You can read as much as you want to, when you never put it into practice it´s worth nothing.
Many things that seem confusing as hell in theory are pretty much self-explaining when you run campaigns.
Sweeps I prefer to run as IVR offers, it´s somehow working better for me.
Btw, if you didn´t see it already HERE is a little guide for Haka offers.
About your tests, not much won and not much lost
As a beginner your biggest (and sometime your only) competitive advantage is to test more than others so keep testing
I still can't find the right offer. The last experiment was like this:
Picked 2O GEOs in Europe, decided to do my own experiment on these countries:
After 8 hours the situation is like this:
Well ok, let's deal with the remaining offerers closer. Let's make white and black lists, and try different Smart CPC and CPA Goal models.
So, probability to be best:
As far as I do not have anything better I will try to pull these offers to green zone
The campaigns just have too less conversions.
Every additional conversion can completely turn the tables.
When you use a statistical significance calculator you also don´t consider elements with 30% or so as winners.
A winning element has at least 90%-95% probability to be best.
When I use the calculator I also don´t loook for the best, I rather try to get rid of the worst so that in the end only the best is left.
That way I can better optimize along the way without having to wait for one clear winner.
Hi @twinaxe, thank you for the heads up. Well, situation is not very good, but this is all I got for the moment. So, probably I would continue to run 'winning offer' (best of the worst ), expanding black list. At least I could buy some WLs&BLs for the certain GEOs. Hope will use it for another offers.
Originally Posted by van graaf
), expanding black list. At least I could buy some WLs&BLs for the certain GEOs. Hope will use it for another offers.
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