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How to run dating SOI offer? (26)

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I found this Royal cams offer on CrakRev.
SOI flow, GEOs: top 5.

Offer screenshot


Too many traffic sources have been restricted, social traffics are allowed but Facebook and Google are getting hard in ads account, all my accounts were gone and I don't have any plan on traffic to run them. so, I have some few questions related:

- What funnel should I use? what angle should I use to design pre-lander?
- Which is the traffic source currently working well for this type of offer?

ah another further question: is there any guide or case study related to this dating offer?

Thank you!

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First, that´s no dating offer.
It´s a cam portal.

Second, can you please insert the images properly in the posts?
I have an easy tutorial linked in my sig

You could use a LP like the rules lander and just change the wording it a bit to match a cam portal.

Basically from "Meet girls from your area" to "See hot girls online" and the make the questions in a way to ask for the preferences or so.

I would go for adult sources.

I am not sure but why don´t you ask CrakRevenue themselves?

Probably they can give you good tips how to run the offer.

Apart from this check THIS THREAD, user fenicio is running a similar offer so maybe you can get some helpful info from that thread as well.

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Hi Twinaxe, thank you for your professional comment.

I found that Crakrev have a list of 24 Pre-landers in the offer page, Should I use them as pre-lander?

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@matuloo has several great guides on how to run adult, I would start here:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...vertical-offer

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Oh new found, thank you so much!

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Yup, all thats in those guides is pretty much valid to this day, I specifically talk about the dating vertical here: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ating-campaign

Read it please come back with questions.

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Thank you Matuloo, I am in the first state of your "How not to give up on Affiliate Marketing?" post.
I feel like all this system is a scam. My profitable campaign just come with small number ( $1-$3-$5) and going down, just in a few days.

My profitable campaign can't reach my bleeding campaign.

Campaign Sum:
GEOs: UK
Vertical: Dating SOI/DOI
Traffic: Propeller
Cost: $1000 ($950 actually)
Rev: $127
Status: Pause

I don't know what I should do next. Feel like UK is a super saturated market and my campaign cost was going too high.

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Oh yeah, we've all been there or most of us at least

UK is definitely not the best GEO to start with and Propeller is not the best traffic source for dating either... it does convert but you will suffer from lead quality issues, especially with PUSH traffic.

If you really want to do anything in dating, you need to look at the adult sources, such as trafficfactory, trafficjunky, trafficstars, exoclick etc... and focus on banner traffic.

And ask you AM for some offers from lower TIER geos, if you really want to go with a EN speaking GEO, try Canada for example.

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Thank you Matej. I have read all your lessons about dating verticals, my appreciation!
I think I should change traffic source. How about mainstream dating? what traffic source should I use?

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Do you have any idea why is that like this?

And do you have a recommendation on a good traffic source for mainstream dating?

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It was still possible to promote mainstream dating on google not so long ago, I didn't check but maybe it is still an option? Other than that, native traffic is used to promote mainstream dating. And you can also try PUSH traffic, as far as I know the quality is not as bad as with adult dating.

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It's likely the result of the format itself and how teasing images make the users click a lot. Push notification looks similar to an IM message, so when some people see a hot female "sending a message" to them, they simply can't help it and click and follow the LP instructions... but as soon as they realize they have just landed on a dating website, they lose interest.

Twinaxe has done a test with push and dating just a few weeks ago, check it: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...quality-issues

See my reply above.

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Thank you matuloo!

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Thank you Matej, you are really a master on this field.

I decide to change GEOs, SOI/DOI flow in TR. Could you please show me some landers that are written in Turkish?

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Do you have access to any spytool? Or at least a VPN? All you need to see landers in Turkish is to use a VPN and set it to TK, the browse the populat adult sites or use a spytoll and download them them from there.

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yah, thank you Matej

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Hi Matej, I ran some campaigns on Evadav for testing, with dating DOI. The result looks too bad.

Summary:

GEOs: Turkey
Vertical: Dating DOI and SOI
Ad format: Push Notification
Total visitors: 875
Lander click: 44 => CTR: 5.16%
And lastly, No conversion. Damn it, I'm nearly running out of money.

I detected the problem shouldn't be from the lander, cuz the CTR looks not bad. So the problem can be from the traffic source and offer.

- Should I try banner ads? If yes, which traffic source would you recommend? Please guide me something that works, I got the trust issue

P/s: I have read your lessons about running adult, but 2019/2020. are they still solid now?

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Yup, nothing really changed in the dating vertical during the past few years actually. Maybe the only "change" would be that its more important than ever to have a solid offer.

Push is not the best traffic type for adult dating, due to quality issues but it should still covert pretty well.

For me, banner ads are working better and if I should name one network to start with it would be trafficfactory due to probably the most stable quality levels of their clicks, since bulk of it comes from just 2 large sites.

How much did you spend on the TK campaign actually? And whats the offer payout?

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Thank you Matej, I will re-run on it. Trafficfactory and banner 300x250.

I have spent ~$50 and no conversion.
Payout $0.3 for SOI and $0.85 for DOI

I am really in problem with the banner creatives.

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They have a bit different banner dimensions, here is all the info you need: https://www.trafficfactory.com/rules/index.html

That is really bad. Never spend so much when no conversion come in. With a 30 cent payout, I would pause everything if there is no lead after $5 in traffic or even sooner. Depending on how many variations I'd be testing, but really, spending more than 10x the offer payout when no conversions happen is likely a bad idea as there is obviously something wrong.

Well, then you need to learn how to make or at least edit them You can use a spytool and grab a ton of banners in one go, then just make small modifications to them. Basic photoshop (or other similar tool) skills is all you need.

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Omg I wish I talk to you sooner Matej.

I have spent a lot on testing and wish there will be a magical change from red to the green, just need to run long enough. Especially on Facebook when I do dropshipping, every losing was explained by “ buying data” so just need to keep running when the pixel get enough data and become money printer. Damn it, I was duped.

Youtube gurus, million bucks dashboard screenshot, sucess story in POD and dropshipping even with 2 months playing game, then come with a fuking MMO course. I was convinced to keep running campaign, just need to find 1 winning product and I will have a Lamborghini, haha, so just burn money on Facebook until pixel smart enough. Redpill and bluepill again, I got the blue shit.

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Well, there is some truth to what you were told by the gurus.

The money you spend on campaigns is actually buying you data, you just need to understand when it makes sense to keep on buying more data

So for example on FB, where their AI takes care of a large part of the optimization... you really need to "train the pixel" and give it a few sales, then the AI can take over and show the AD to similar people as those that bought. So yes, this approach makes sense.

BUT... what if you're selling a shitty or overpriced product that there is no interest for? You can buy as much data as you wish and it won't help you, simple because there is no interest for it.

Thats why you need to testing several products to find some that work... so again, they didn't lie to you.

The key is to find the balance... you need to test a lot of products quickly, to find some that work and you need to do so with your budget in mind. If you spend too much money on one product, there won't be any funds left for the next one and you will have to quit.

And it's the same with this dating campaign of yours. You've spent $50 on a low payout offer and got ZERO conversions. That was an overkill, for that sum you could have tested maybe 5 or more similar offers and who knows, maybe one of them would have shown promise.

On top of it, the traffic network you have started with doesn't really have advanced AI optimization such as FB, so there is no point in spending more to train some pixel or whatever, since there isn't any

So basically, you need to mass test offers first, to find some that are converting at least to some extent, then you can focus on improving the whole funnel. And you need to allocate the budget in a clever way, so you even stand a chance at finding something that convers before your money runs out.

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Hi Matej, thank you so much, I've been reading your comment again and again. I found my mistake that I don't see when losing money on Facebook.

Related to the Dating SOI/DOI offer in Turkey, there are just some offers available there. what if I test all of them and still got no conversion? Should I change GEOs or change the traffic source?

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I hope you didn´t choose TR because of my thread.

Usually TR is not the best geo for dating offers, the high spender in my thread was pure luck.

I only chose the geos for the test because I wanted to get many signups but profit was completely irrelevant for what I wanted to show.

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Thank you Twinaxe, I am searching on that Geos for dating offers but seems too limit, 3-5 brands only.

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Dating does not work well in all GEOs at all times, there have to be proper monetization methods for a GEO in order to attract enough advertisers.

So if you chose a GEO with limited offer selection you can basically just try what is available and in case it doesnt take off for you, it's really needed to move to some other GEO.

Please also keep in mind that there are many networks out there, so you can work with offers from multiple ones.

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