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Chaturbate 20% Rev Share + Juicy Ads (Adult Campaign) (35)

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Hello, locked-in people of STM. How are you?

In these times of quarantine and confinement I've decided to try something new for me. I have a lot of experience with webcam sites. I have worked particularly with the Chaturbate affiliate program, 20% Rev Share, sending traffic using social networks. I have had modest success but I am getting a monthly income from this platform of between $1000 and $1400.

This took me about 2 years of constant work. Lately social network traffic has become very complicated to maintain with constant results. Account bans are very frequent so I decided to try paid traffic.

On the other hand you have to be registering people constantly because although the commission is lifetime, sooner or later spenders stop spending. Whether it is because they create a new account, change their credit card or are discovered by their wife. The public is constantly renewing, so you also have to be sending traffic without pause to keep the flow of free registrations constant and not lose income.


In this follow along I will not talk about the work I did with social networks, as I am interested in sharing with you this new way of chaturbate affiliate program, but this time with paid traffic.

I chose to start Juicy Ads as a traffic source. I read a lot and decided to go for it. After making an initial deposit of $500 I was assigned a manager. She is great, very nice and very hardworking. We talk every day for hours and she helps me with her suggestions to improve my campaign.

I know very well the kind of traffic that converts on these kind of sites. I know that segmenting traffic by the particular interest of users is very productive, whether by country, gender, fetishes, age, etc.

I have had very good results with this strategy in the past and I wanted to implement it in this campaign.

My Manager suggested me to start with a little bit of a broader look. She said that the way to got for testing campaign focus was using a POP campaign wich just allows CPM biding. In this case the minimum for us US is $1.50

I don't feel very comfortable running the campaign in such a broad way, but I'm new to this network and don't want to start arguing with my manager. So I agreed.

Summary of the initial configuration of the campaign:

Ofert: Chaturbate 20% Rev. Share
TS: Juicy Ads.
GEO: US
Budget: $900
Campaign: POP
BID: CPM/$1.50
Daily Budget: $100



Starting:

Every time I start something new in Affiliate Marketing I feel like a child. I have to study for hours and hours of how to take the first step.

In this case, the first problem I face is how to correctly track the campaign. I usually use Voluum for all my campaigns. But it happens that on the one hand Chaturbate does not offer a S2S postback service, and on the other hand Juicy ads does not send the cost information with its Postback, so there is no point in using a tracker.

I would like to know if any of you could solve this problem of not being able to track Chaturbate with Voluum as it would be incredibly useful when optimizing. Chaturbate offers the possibility to include a pixel, but I don't know if it will work. If anyone knows more about this please comment.

Maybe the good people from Voluum can read this and shed some light on the matter.

Reading statistics from chaturbate is a pain in the ass. So I decided to start tracking only the dynamic SITE parameter, so I can know from which sites I am receiving the free signups and commissions.

So my Aff link looks like this.

https://chaturbate.com/in/?track={dynamicSITE}&tour=YrCr&campaign=FXXX&room= XXXX


These are my stats by date after 4 days of testing:


As you can see, Juicy Ads, sends a huge amount of traffic from many different sites. 40k impressions in just over 2 hours. And very few Free Registration.

Although there were commissions on the first day, this was not repeated, and my experience tells me that it was simply a coincidence. It is not common to receive commissions on the first day and much less in 20% rev share campaigns. That client has not spent again to this day.

Then I start analyzing the sites by SIte ID. And what I see is that I get traffic from absolutely rubbish sites, and I start adding them to the blacklist. But there are Milliones of them. There are even sites that I can't access. Thay only show one GO Daddy page. Their domains are available to boy and still spending a lot of my Budget on them.

Get all these information took me a lot of time because of the tracking troubles, and there are A LOT OF SITES TO ANALYZE. Many of those sites are cloned sites also. (Like White labels).

The campaign doesn't get any better with the blacklist.

I'm very concerned about this. I'm starting to study the sites that I get the Free Registrations from and they're good sites in general from Tube. I analyze their position in Alexa and in some cases it is very good. But they are just a few.

I think there is something to review with the Bid to access better quality sites. I would like to hear your suggestions, friends. But I don’t want to Bid that High because all those rubish sites will destroy my Budget.

So I'm starting to think that this campaign approach doesn't work.


These are the Stats by site and from Juicy Ads.

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I'm not worried about not getting commissions. Rev share usually takes weeks to deliver revenue. What I do worry about is that with 40K impressions I only have 2 or 3 Free Registrations. That's not good at all. And I know that the rooms I redirect traffic to are really good, and they tend to convert well. I know!


This is what I´m gonna do next:

I'm going to talk to my affiliate manager and ask her to change the focus of the campaign. I don't want to make any more blacklists. I hate it.

Now I want to run it with Whitelist.


So here's what I'm gonna do:


1- I'm going to make a list of the 10 Fetishes that I know that converts best.

2- From those 10 Fetishes I will choose the 10 best sites of each Fetish checking their position in Alexa, the availability of banners, the feedbacks and even the links from which the site gets traffic.

3- I will run the campaign on a Whitelist of those 100 sites chosen.

4- I will increase the bid for those sites but keep the daily budget.

5- Should I reconsider the POP campaign? And instead of POP use Banner? I would like to know your opinions, friends.


That's all for today. I have to work on those 5 tasks today and tomorrow I will talk to my Affiliate manager and give him my suggestions.

Please, if you have any advice or tips to give me, I would appreciate it very much.


I send a hug to all of you and please take care of yourselves.


Facundo.

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hey Facundo, how is your progress? its a great write up, not sure why the experts here are not into your follow along. probably no one is using juicyads?

i will leave a reply here in case they have missed out your post.

im new to this as well but i noticed you are direct linking, which could be a problem. i think page speed is important in pops. if the offer page is a video it might slows it, and there might be alot of other people sending traffic on that page, which can cause it to slow down. i think a fast prelander page should be used. Although there is no postback, i think your tracker can still be used to place and rotate your prelander pages and track your tokens. since previously you are working with social, means that you might have a creative before the landing, in this case on pops you didnt have a creative to sell beforehands, so you might have reached untargeted users that are not interested in cams.

what have you read that made you choose JA to start?

Traffic managers might have different goals, as they want you to spend more. i think its better to start safe to save on testing, then expand later.

are you using any internal auto optimisations in JA , for example sexytechnology? i saw that on banner, not sure abt pops

your geo also seems a competitive one.

have you checked if your competitors or other affiliates are doing this and working

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Hi, I'm not an expert in Adult Pop, but I've been running Mainstream Pop for about a year so maybe you can find some of my comments useful:

1. Agreed with @evohatch. A landing page is required to warm up the user for them to put in their information. I would recommend some spying tool such as Adplexity Adult to spy on landing pages that are working currently. You can download them as well.

2. Your testing budget seems to be quite high for a $1.50 payout offer. I usually do a budget of x10 the payout. In this case, I'd do $150. But I also notice that you are running in the US, so you will have a lot of traffic to deal with so you may need a slightly higher budget to test all the bids properly. One thing that might be useful is to target only a few states in the same timezone so you can keep the traffic in control which helps optimizing.

3. Blacklist aggressively. There's a lot of traffic in the US, so I would say if a placement does not receive a conversion after $1.5 in spending, I'd blacklist it.

4. Same offer for different networks perform differently. You may need to sign up to different networks to test the same offer because there is a good chance that they will all perform differently.

5. Test different landing pages to find a "winning" landing page which you can use to test other offers.

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Hello to all the STM community.


I am going to make an update to this post, as I have not been able to find the solution to the tracking problem from Juicy Ads - @Voluum - Chaturbate.


During all last year I was running the offer from other traffic sources and from social having a very good result, but I want to try again with Juicy ads.


It's an offer that generates me approximately 3K per month with a lot of scaling potential and I'm interested in taking it to as many traffic sources as possible.
In this opportunity I am going to show you screenshots of an account I created specifically to run the offer with Juicy ads.


The problem is basically the following: Chaturbate does not offer a S2S Postback service, so it is impossible to track conversions in Voluum. So the only possibility to track conversions is to see them reflected in the CB Stats by adding the {dynamicSITE} parameter of Juicy ads to the CB URL and then check in Voluum the rest of the data acording to that Site Id.



This is what you see in the CB Stats with the {dynamicSITE} parameter



This result is obtained by using a direct linking from Juicy Ads with the following Offer URL:

https://chaturbate.com/in/?track={dynamicSITE}&tour=xxxxx&campaign=xxxxxx&ro om=xxxxxxx

The problem is that in this way I cannot obtain any meaningful data for the optimization of the campaign beyond the Site Id mentioned above.


Now I start with the explanation of the problem with @Voluum. Maybe they can provide some idea or solution.


Basically the problem is that when I redirect the Juicy ads traffic through Voluum the Site Id is lost in the CB Stats page, making it totally impossible to know from which site the conversions are received.



This is a screenshot of the result of the traffic redirected from Voluum in the CB Stats page



When I create a campaign in Voluum using the integration with Juicy ads, I have to modify the original parameters, since these parameters are incompatible with the POP campaigns. This must be taken in consideration.That said, I will create the offer in Voluum,


This is the screenshot of the offer in voluum.




Then Voluum gives me the following URL using the Direct Transition on my Campaign, Because I do not need to rotate landing pages.

https://chaturbate.com/in/?dynamicS2S={dynamicS2S}&dynamicBID={dynamicBID}&d ynamicPUB={dynamicPUB}&track={dynamicSITE}&dynamicCMP={dynamicCMP}&dynamicGEO={dynamicGEO}&d ynamicDOS={dynamicDOS}&dynamicDTY={dynamicDTY}&dyn amicCON={dynamicCON}&cpid=cb03c3d8-91a7-436d-994d-06fca5a22bc9&track={dynamicSITE}&tour=xxxxx&campaign=xxxxxx&room=xxxxxxxx

As you can see here, the dynamic SIte parameter is repeated, so I tried removing one of them from the URL but the result is still the same.


This is the Voluum's Campaign URL by Redirect Transition.

https://mydomain.com/cb03c3d8-91a7-436d-994d-06fca5a22bc9?dynamicPUB={dynamicPUB}&track={dynamicSITE}&dynamicCMP={dynamicCMP}&dynamicGEO={dynamicGEO}&d ynamicDOS={dynamicDOS}&dynamicDTY={dynamicDTY}&dyn amicCON={dynamicCON}&dynamicBID={dynamicBID}&dynam icS2S={dynamicS2S}


Using this link, the result is the same. All the Site Id are missing in CB Stats. I even tried removing the dynamicSite parameter on the offer url and still nothing.

I have tried absolutely everything in terms of URLs. I have tried direct, redirect, using the link of the offer, using the link of the campaign, etc etc and I can not solve the problem of being able to see in the CB Stats the information of the SITE Id driving the traffic of Juicy ads through Voluum.



I hope that someone has had this problem before and can share a solution, as I am particularly interested in working with voluum to be able to perform a consistent Split Testing using the bid rotation, as well as a deep tracking of all the information of my Campaign.


I'll be very grateful for any help or idea you can think of.


Thanks so much guys!!


Facundo.

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I didnt use it in ages, but pixel tracking should work in voluum, check this article: https://doc.Voluum.com/en/conversion...ing_pixel.html

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Thank's Matuloo.

Do I need to use a pre-lander in order to set up Tracking Pixel? Because what I'm doing right now is Direct Linking to the offer because it's a POP Campaign.

Thanks

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I'm pretty sure it should work both ways, as long as the visit goes through a tracker, it should be possible to use the pixel. It's cookie based though, so not all sales will be tracked. It's basically the "worse" method of tracking, S2S is better but when that's not supported by chaturbate you gotta try using the pixel at least.

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Thanks pal, I will try to solve it by using a tracking pixel and will keep the post updated.

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Also, Voluum will let you manually enter conversions. As long as you can see the clickID on Chaturbate for the conversions, you can add them manually in Voluum.

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Thanks man, yes I know that, but still figuring out why I got a dash as a Site Id on CB platform when I redirect from Voluum

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No, you don´t need a prelander because the pixel is not placed on your LP btu rather on the "success" page of the offer/affiliate program.

This doesn´t look right.

As far as I see it all the parameters and tokens are from Juicy Ads so it´s correct when they are in the campaign URL.

But these tokens are not from Voluum and the parameters are not from Chaturbate so Voluum doesn´t know what values to add and Chaturbate doesn´t know what to do with the parameters.

You should check what tracking parameters Chaturbate supports and then attach these parameters to the offer URL and use Voluums tokens then for the values.

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Thanks man. Yes indeed. The offer URl has the parameter that CB support:

https://chaturbate.com/in/?track={dynamicSITE}&tour=xxxxx&campaign=xxxxxx&ro om=xxxxxxx

The other parameters are placed in voluum from Juicy ads in order to track all te data from the traffic source.

I will try by adding a pixel, but Juicy ads tells me that they allow Pixel on Banner campaign but not for POP campaign. So...once I end testing sites on POP, I will create a banner campaign with a Pixel in it so I can track it.

Still, it would be nice to be able to solve the tracking problem with POP campaigns as well because is the first necesary step to find good placements for my ads.

Thanks again

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I guess you confuse few things there.

Let´s try to go throgh it.

This won´t work when you use Voluum because you use the parameters from CB with the tokens from Juicy Ads.

It will work when you direct link from Juicy Ads to CB but it will NOT work when you direct link from Juicy Ads to Voluum and from Voluum to CB.

Only Juicy Ads can resolve the tokens into real values, when you want to link from Voluum to CB you need to use Voluums tokens.

Then your offer URL would look like this -> https://chaturbate.com/in/?track={clickid}&tour=xxxxx&campaign=xxxxxx&room=x xxxxxx

When you now use your campaign URL https://mydomain.com/cb03c3d8-91a7-436d-994d-06fca5a22bc9?dynamicPUB={dynamicPUB}&track={dynami cSITE}&dynamicCMP={dynamicCMP}&dynamicGEO={dynamic GEO}&d ynamicDOS={dynamicDOS}&dynamicDTY={dynamicDTY}&dyn amicCON={dynamicCON}&dynamicBID={dynamicBID}&dynam icS2S={dynamicS2S} in Juicy Ads the following flow happens:

1. Juicy Ads resolves the tokens into real values and submits them through the campaign URL to Voluum.
2. Voluum creates a unique ID = click ID for the user
3. Voluum redirects the user to the offer and changes the {clickid} token in the offer URL to the real click ID of the user
4. Unique click IDs get tracked by Chaturbate and with these you can update the conversions in Voluum

Chaturbate also has a postback solution HERE

In the postback they support the track parameter as well as the payout.

An issue I see is that Chaturbate doesn´t provide what tokens to use for the postback, they only have info for the postbacks through POST requests.

Best would be when you ask Chaturbate directly if they also provide tokens for track and payout to use in a postback URL.

If they have such tokens Chaturbate will send postback information back to Voluum that include the converting users click ID and the payout so that you can see in Voluum which site ID or whatever generated the conversion.

One problem however is that you will receive postbacks for every kind of conversion, in most cases the first conversion should be a free signup.

But you´re running rev-share so you would need to receive conversion updates as well to receive postbacks for purchases as well.

In Binom there is a setting to receive conversion updates as well but I am not sure if Voluum supports this, best would be when you ask them about it.

Don´t confuse it with a conversion pixel.

The conversion pixel has to be placed on the affiliate program and has nothing to do with it.

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Thank's so much! This is pure Gold! I will Try it inmediately.

With the help of Voluum's staff I could partially solve it and I will attach here their e-mail. Perhaps this could be usefull for some people. But, this method doesn't track conversions. I will try with your's and will keep you updated.


This is the Voluum E-mail:

Hi there!

Thank you for contacting us. I will do my best to help you.

First of all, I've noticed that the set up of your Offer URL is incorrect. In case to be able to pass the information about the Dynamic SITE to your Affiliate Network Chaturbate which you are tracking in your Traffic Source Juicy Ads mal, you need to map the {dynamicSITE} token with Voluum {var1} token in the Traffic Source settings. I can see that you've already done it. Please check the screenshot below:





The next thing to do is to add the Voluum's token {var1} which you've mapped with your Traffic Source token {dynamicSITE} in the Traffic Source settings and append it with the corresponding parameter from the Affiliate Network in the Offer URL set up if you want to pass the information about the Dynamic SITE to Chaturbate:



Please correct your Offer URL and make sure that the "track" parameter is for sure supported by your Affiliate Network for passing the information about the Dynamic SITE. Here is the example of how it should look like in the Offer URL set up:

https://chaturbate.com/in/?track={var1}&tour=YrCr&campaign=FBUqd&room=sweet_penny22

Here, you can find more info on how to add properly an Offer to Voluum:
https://doc.Voluum.com/en/adding_offer.html

The second thing which you need to do is to change the transition between ad and campaign funnel from Direct to Redirect.



If you have a Direct method set up, there is no initial redirect so tokens in the Campaign URL are not replaced with any value as you have a campaign only with Offer, not Lander&Offer. Once you choose the Redirect method of transition, you will be able to record values from tokens passed in the Campaign URL.

Here, you can find more info regarding our methods of transition:
https://doc.voluum.com/en/redirect_tracking.html
https://doc.voluum.com/en/direct_tracking.html



If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to ask.
Best regards,
Dominika

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Ok, Update, @twinaxe your solution works great!! Now It's time to talk with Chaturbate guys in order to solve the postback matters. Thanks so much for your help! Now optimization is possible!!

I will keep you update about CB postback.

Thanks again.

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Good that it works.

About this one

Don´t use the {var1} token because it will only show the site IDs in Chaturbate.

When you use the {clickid} token it will show the click ID in CB and when you then update your conversions in Voluum you can see the converting site IDs together with many more stats about the conversion in Voluum.

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Yes of course! I've done it following your method and works fine..Thing is now that I got at least 91 pages to analyze free registrations every single day on CB and that's crazy. There is a chance to download a CSV Purchase History but that doesn't show Free registrations.

Do you know if is possible to download the Stats with the CLick Id and Free registrtations from CB on a CSV file?

That would be amazing and analyzing stats would be much faster and easy.

Thank you

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I just found an amazing Tool on BHW to analyze all the information from CSV purchsase History from CB. I will share the link with you guys so you can check it out. I thiunk is great

https://wgrmedia.com/chaturbate/

these are some Tool's screenshots

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That´s great to hear

Never heard about the tool but I also don´t promote Chaturbate myself.

Looks definitely helpful.

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Ok, guys, I'm gonna make an update about the situation with my CB + Juicy ads campaign. No Screenshots today, Just boring Numbers.


I've tried everything this time

With an initial budget of 2.5K, I followed all the advices and recomendations from my AM and all that I could read from STM and other forums.

So the 1st thing that I did was create some POP campaigs for USA (I went directly with this GEO because I already know the offer very well. As I told you before, I'm already getting comissions from CB but it's so difficult to scale them up with Social, so that's why I'm trying with paid traffic). Using POP the goal was to find and create a Whitelist with several sites that performs well.

Thing is that the 99.99% of the traffic that I got from those POP campaign was SHIT. I just could find 2 or 3 sites that could work after runing the POP campaigns for Weeks, and blacklisting, and this is literal, hundreds and hundreds of bad sites..



In my opinion 20% Rev share CB is a great offer, and performs really well, but You have to get at least 15 to 25 Free registration a day to start talking and build a reasonable income a year later.

Let's say that in my current account builded with Social I got almost 3000 Free registrations, from those 3K just 500 users has spend money at least 1 time, and from those 500 users Just the 10% create the 90% of my monthly income. SO life time rev share is great for me, but you have to register people every single day to get this numbers, and as I told you guys before, its difficult to scale this way.



Back to Juicy.

As I told you, with POP I could finde 2-3 sites that performs reasonable well, but didn't make more than 3 Free registration during the test, and spent a lot of time doing blacklisting. Tons of shitty sites.


Let's see these numbers:

To create an income of 3K/month on the next year and a half, you need at least 8-10 free US registrations a day, THat's 240 - 300 FR a month. That means that once the campaign is gettin solid incomes, you need to spend less than almost $ 10.00 per registration, but that's after a year or more when you already got commissions and just to stop losing money. Last weeks I've spent almost 2.5K and got 100 Registrations, wich means $25/Register, wich is MAD.

Ok some users has spent and I got $600 in incomes so far that would be, $2500 - $600 = $1900 in other words $19/Register. Still crazy.


My Reasonable Scheema to Start Talking: (No loosing / No earning):

$10.00 / Register

What I'm Currently Doing: :

$19.00 / Register



Having this numbers in mind I decided to try with Direct Buy and Purchase some placements for a Week, or a Month. I've chosen the sites due to their Tier, Cost, Impressions, Clicks and Vertical.

Didn't work at all...Just the most expensive of them, meaning $300 a week just got a couple of free registration and I still got several that I bought for a month that are cheap but didn't convert at all.

Even tried with iFrames, wich I suposed convert much better...but nop.



So then I decided to try with CPC banner, but this time starting with a White label by doing a strong research in all the Juicy ads Market Place. And this is incredible. I've studied the Juicy Ads Market place ENTIRELY and could find just 10-20 Sites that I think that will perform well with Cams.

Ok I created the CPC campaigns but half of those sites were Sold Out, so I couldn't get any clicks from them. Any way....Same story of the 2 previous campaings, CTR was horrible, but according to the Juicy ads Sites Stats, (0.5% in the best of cases) and I saw that the best performing campaigns so far was ...Surprise Surprise....POP




By this far I'm thinking about to do it again with POP taking in consideration all that I''ve learned and tring to reach those $6.6/Register ratio, but POP is so fucking difficult to Optimize of course. I think that just 3-5 sites could reach that so far. Perhaps running Whitelist and Blacklist campaigns both together could work a little bit better.


I'm taking in consideration Exoclick too. I don't want to start with a random Aff Manager from 0, and hear all that shit about, you have to test, building a blacklist and loose your house in order to get the best performing Sites.



Perhaps paid traffic is all about to find those 3-5 sites on each network that performs well and that way the $/Registration Ratio will be lower? I'm not so sure.



O would like to hear your advices guys. I will tag here to @twinaxe and @matuloo so they can see this and their advice can be usefull for everyone.

Maybe you guys could give me some advice and recomendation about my performing on Juicy Ads and how to start with Exoclick, and in the best of cases introduce me with an Exoclick AM before I make the Cash deposit. That would be great. I'm not a newbie and I know what I want from this hahhaha.


Thanks for reading.

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Yes, Rev share can be blessing or curse at the same time.

You need to throw more money in the ring to get it running properly compared to SOI but once you have a solid base of paying users it can be absolutely worth it.

Enough average LTV users can already compensate the non paying users and generate nice additional profits.
When you then have a high spender here and there it can lead to really nice profit.

But again, you definitely have to put some more money and sweat in it than running SOI offers.

No real surprise, often it´s the advertiser itself who runs high volume/high budget pop campaigns.

They can afford much higher bids and don´t have to worry that much about performance, sometimes it´s even just to drop cookies.

You can see something similar on pops with online casinos.

Lots of pops without a prelander going straight to the reg page, these also are mostly direct advertisers.

One question, why are you so focused on Juicy Ads when it doesn´t perform that good for you?

Why don´t you just test other platforms as well?

The thing with Juicy Ads is similar to Exoclick, they have traffic from many different websites and many of these websites are low quality and/or have low volume so you really need to spend quite some money to weed out the bad performers.

It´s always good to run BL and WL together.

Without a BL you will never discover new placements and WL campaigns are good when you want to get maximum volume from good performing placements.

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Hello @twinaxe, thanks for your answer.

Well, I was focused on Juicy ads, because I don't have a huge budget. In my previous experience, one of my mistakes was to try with too many platforms with a low budget, and never could make it work properly, obviously because I never spent enough on each platform to figure out how the platform works. So this time I decided to focus all my effort int just one Source.

It wasn't a bad decision at all....this way I found that for my offer and my budget the best performing way to promote is POP (best banner and direct buy sites are already taken and sold out by big media buying teams or the offers owners as well), as you said yesterday, I can install cookies like mad, and people that is looking for porn sites, soon or later falls on Cams sites.


Today I'm gonna take advantage of all that I've learned on Juicy and will keep runing POPS with Exoclick and Traffic Junky, any advice of those TF will be great! hahaha


Question. Do you think that driving people straight to the Reg Page is better than going to the main page and then the Reg page after they acces an specific room? I should split testing that way. I think that I install the cookie no matter the page that my traffic is being redirected.



I will keep you update!

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Absolutely understandable but it doesn´t help you when you focus on only one trafficsource when you don´t succeed there.

A good way is to test easy converting campaigns on few different platforms and then stick with the platform that showed best results.

Speaking about easy converting campaigns, when you want to run rev share offers it can also help alot when you first run SOI dating to collect stats and use that data then for the rev share offer.

That way you can make at least some money back during testing and don´t have to start from scratch then when you run rev share.

For the cookies it depends on the affiliate network, if the first or the last cookie counts.

When first cookie counts it doesn´t matter if the user signs up right away or if he comes back later.
When last cookie counts it´s better when the user converts right away, otherwise your cookie can be overwritten and another affiliate receives the commission.

Apart from that it´s good to just test between reg page and main page.

Btw, do you run direct linked or with pre landers?

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No, I'm doing direct Linking to the offer. That's whay I saw that all my competition was doing. Should I try with prelanders?

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Definitely test prelanders.

Check what I wrote here:

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Thanks so much mate. I will try with prelanders also and will keep you update.

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I keep my fingers crossed.

You already invested so much in it and you really want to get it running so it would be great to see you suceed

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Of course it will. Thanks for your good vibes!

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Hope you are doing fine guys. Ok so this is my 5-22 Update.

Things are quite "grey".

I will describe now what I've done these days and will share with you some questions and plans for the future.

I decided to include on my funnel a CB Whitelabel. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, a Whitelabel is a way to "replicate" CB site with your own aesthetic, logo and domain. This makes your site fresher to your users and in theory increases conversions.




What I found Runing with Whitelabel is that I can get much more free registrations, but no spenders yet. I was thinking about it and perhaps people don't feel so confident about a new site and load their credit card to make purchases. That thought made me stop runing the Whitelabel but free registrations are fewer.

Then I added some prelanders to my funnel. 3 of them...didn't convert at all, and perhaps it's much better to drive my traffic directly to the Cb home page in order to install the cookies. I got a lot of free registrations with cookies. Visitors often don't register at the first time, but after a couple of days they do.











Ok so by now my campaign is running POP, Direct Linking, No prelander, No Whitelabel. But very FEW FREE REGISTRATIONS....thinking about to run Whitelabel again for longer.




Another thing that I did these days is to try with another Traffic source, in this case Exoclick. Don't worry', I'm still running Juicy ads.


This is my campagn set up for Exoclick.


3 BLack listing Campaigns for POP: Mobile Wifi and Carrier and Desktop Wifi.


All POP traffic (Mobile POP under, POP under, And RTB Popunder Supply. I'm not so sure about this set up.


I couldn't get and AM from Exoclick due to theiur requirements are quite high for me right now, but speaking with one of them on their live chat, he told me that I shouldn't segment the campaigns by categories or even using keywords. Is this ok?


The hardest to understand is about CPM. I started using SMart CPM and using the RON cpm recomendations. The campaigns spend a lot of money too fast with no conversions at all...


Zones: I started by choosing Premium, but didn't get traffic at all, so I changed it to RON. I'm not sure about this either.







I stopped Exoclick campaigns till figure out how CPM works. I ve been reading that perhaps Smart CPM isn't the best choice and I should to run my camnpaigns with CPM manually. SMart CPM ron changes all the time from 0..50 to 1.50 it's crazy.



Perhaps you could give me some advices about how to manage POP on Exoclick and understand their platform much better.


Banner campaigns for Juicy ads with Iframe don't work at all, at least the sites that I could try. SOme banners like txt are performing reasonable well.

Thanks so much guys.

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I used to run cams in the past, this is what worked the best for me:

Not sure about chaturbate since I was using a different platforms, they had a LP generator that I used to build somewhat custom landers. I built a few of those, based on specific niches.

An example: Let's say blondes with big tits that are into some fetish. Then I built simple landers for this, just a photo of one of the models with a basic copy that suggested they could talk to this particular girl and get intimate with her. I was sending POP traffic to these LPs which then linked to those custom landers with this model and more that were looking similar and doing similar types of shows.

This was one approach.

The other one was to build more generic custom landers on the platform and simply send whatever POP traffic I could get directly to it. Of course, I would select the most popular models or body types for these landers, something that would appeal to a broad user base.

Try to check if chaturbate offers something like this, I think they should.

Yup, adult traffic is not segmented well enough for this to work. Any content fits in multiple categories and the same goes for keywords. So such targeting isn't that accurate either. The only exception would be specific fetishes.

Smart CPM is the way to go, just don't set your bid too high. The system will set your bid a bit lower than your closest competitor, so if you set it to $5 and someone bids a bit more than you then your bid might actually jump that high. But generally speaking, smart CPM can save you a lot of money as it dynamically adjust your actual bid based on what others are bidding.

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Hello Matuloo, thanks for your reply.

They Don't, but they offer a service that is create a Whitelabel with your own domain, that way you show to your customers something fresh and in theory that will make you conversion rate higher. Thing is that I founded that users doesn't feel so sure about loading their creddit cards on a new site. Perhas CB home page could get less registrations but more spenders. That's something that I have to keep testing.


According to this, I tested and conversion rate was 0. I also found that almost 50% of my registrations are cookie based. I got people that registered 5 days later after they first visited CB site through my POP Ad.
I thought that using Pre/landers I could convince them that the offer that I show them later was right for them, using quizes and those things. but didn't work. At least on my experience. I'm currently doing a Direct linking testing differents offers: Home Page, Top Room, Genders, Fetish Etc.

I just restarted my Desktop campaign that had 4 free registrations already. Once that I feel more confident with Exoclick I will reestart Mobile campaigns. I started by blocking a lot of sites that according to Voluum they had a high % of bot traffic. This is thanks to Voluum's Anti Fraud Kit.

It's too soon to make a wild optimization cutting sites, devices, OS etc etc. and too soon also to create a White List.

With Juicy ads, I'm finding good sites that looks promising, and I'm very very surprised abotu POP performing. It's full of shitty sites, but there are really good placements also.


I will keep you updated.

Facundo.

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Yup, advantage of whitelabel is a fresh site and probably easier signups.

On the other hand you can often profit from the brand popularity when you send traffic to the original offer.

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A whitelabel can help, when the company offers the right setup.

If it's just a new domain, with limited customization, it won't help you much at all. A proper whitelabel has to allow you to configure the front end, to select the models at least to some extent so you could create a niched WL. Ideally it should also let you play with the texts somewhat, so you could try and get some SE traffic to it etc... But simply creating a new domain with the same layout as the main site, that's kinda pointless. With the signups you generate this way, would these users be "yours" or are they still matched to their own DBs so just the new ones would count?

For this to work, you would need the whole setup as I laid it out, when that's not possible to configure it doesnt make sense to try it.

What could work are landers that "teach" the users how to get some chat credits for free. But again, for this to work the cam platform has to offer some free credits, not sure if CB does that. If they do, basically just create a LP that explains how to get the free credits and sell it with some good copy. This LP type was used quite heavily when I was still promoting cams, try to find some in a spytool or by browsing adult sites.

Exoclick is a massive network with a lot of traffic, but yes, large part of it is of low quality. You need to be pretty aggressive when blocking the placements.

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Yes Indeed. I'm currently split testing different funnels but with direct linking to the CB site. No Whitelabel. I will upload in a couple of days all my screenshots to show you guys how's things are going.

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Thanks Matuloo

Well...I've been wondering about this from the very begining, Even if current CB users create a new account under a different CB Aff link to be able to upload a new Credit Card.

What happens on this situation?

I've been reading all that I could find about this, and it's like reading all kind of paranoid theories. People says that they are cookie based so no way that you can loose your comissions if the user register again with a different username, then I saw people that says that cookies are just for new users for the first sign up ever. And some other people that claims that CB stealing all their registrations when the users registers again to create a new username.

By my own experience I can tell this: The only thing that really matters is to register people constantly. With my 3K/month account, I can see that people that gave me huge profits are not spending anymore. This is very very usual, and I don't think that those whales are gettin tired about Webcam Sites. They just create a new account and then you just you lost the comissions.

For the other hand it happened couple of times that I got some comissions from a new user, but then CB makes a refund. I asked them and they told me that happened because that user was registered under a different aff link and he created a new account, so the comissions was taken back to the original marketer. Suddenly, couple of months later I saw revenues from that very user, and the haven't been refunded from my account. Perhaps it's because the new account was created under the 30 days cookie period?
I'm not sure.

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