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Special: Exclusive Click2SMS Offers Only For STM Users (41)

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Did I read correct? Exclusive Click2SMS Offers Only For STM Users?

Yes, that´s correct.

Exclusive offers only for our great users on STM.

Ok, but how is this possible?

Probably you have already seen my campaign guide about the offers from Haka.

After I posted the guide they had to close the registration for few days because so many new affiliates signed up with them.

As you can imagine their offers received lots of traffic already, not only on Haka directly but also from CPA networks that broker their offers.

Although the offers are still converting good and they also add new offers from time to time I thought that it would be a great idea when we could get some custom offers for our users to give you a small advantage over other affiliates.

But why Click2SMS offers?

These offers are very good, especially for beginners because

- They accept traffic from basically all geos worldwide
- They convert direct linked and with landing pages
- They work with carrier traffic but often also with WiFi traffic
- Low payouts allow to test without having a huge budget
- Work good in low tier geos = lower competition, lower bids, good volume

After I thought about the idea I talked with Shivang from Haka and he also liked the idea so we started working on the offers.

They are no completely new offers, there´s no need to reinvent the wheel.

Instead we took already good converting offers and customized them a bit so that the converting style is still the same but the look is a bit different.

Let me show you some screenshots

Offer 1



Offer 2



To make sure that they are working I ran some quick tests to check their potential.

I ran the tests only on pop traffic, direct linked and with LP and the results were good, they definitely convert



How To Get Access To The Offers

When you want to run the offers yourself you have 2 options:

1. Contact your Haka AM with your STM username and ask him to approve you for the offers
2. Send a private message to their STM account, you can find it HERE

Ok, now you know how the offers look like and how to get access.

For tips how to run them just check my campaign guide.

Before I end the post I´d like to make clear that these offers are not from STM and not from me personally.

They are 100% Haka offers.

They didn´t receive money or anything else to create these offers.

I just had the idea, I asked them and then we made it happen.

So no matter if you run the offers yourself or not, let´s all show some love for Haka that they did the extra work for us.

Now enough talk, this is your chance to run fresh offers that didn´t get pushed by other affiliates already so grab the offers, start campaigns and make some moolah

Bonus Tip: Haka has some kind of backflow so that a user can convert multiple times.
Make sure to activate in your tracker to receive multiple conversions, otherwise you will only see the first conversion in your stats.

For all other advertisers and offer owners: When you like the idea and would like to set up exclusive offers for our users as well just send me a PM

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Sounds great, is it very easy to be accepted into HAKA?
Edit: Just signed up and waiting approval.

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They are beginner friendly so it shouldn´t be a problem to get accepted

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Very nice Twinaxe! I've been waiting for you to post this and now it's finally here

I totally love when we have something extra to offers our member and this is nothing short of amazing!

Now let's hope the STMers won't burn the cap as quickly as the last time, when you posted the case study

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Just tried them out.

Only tried them in a few geos so far...

But I can say they convert somewhere between hotcakes and cocaine.

Almost already paid for this months STM subscription

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Is it worth running these offers with a $100 budget?


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Yes, would be great to have more such stuff in future

You rock

Better first stick with hotcakes until you can afford the cocaine

You mean $100 budget only for these offers or $100 total budget to start with affiliate marketing?

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You mean $100 budget only for these offers or $100 total budget to start with affiliate marketing?[/QUOTE]

Just to test these offers.


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Alright, thanks for clarificattion.

Yes, $100 is more than enough to test the offers.

Don´t spend too much money on only 1 or 2 campaigns, better test few more campaigns with lower budget to find the targeting with most potential and focus on these campaigns then.

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Thanks for the reply, finally do you think these sort of offers convert better with push or with pop?


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I mostly run them on pops.

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What geos have you tried? tier 2 or 3? I have tried direct linking on Peru, Pakistan, Guyana and the Bahamas and only gotten one lead. Don't know if it's because i'm not using an LP or the geos just don't like the offer.

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Interesting. Just signed up. Thanks

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Awesome @twinaxe! We've all been in exciting anticipation for a while!

To those of you that are new to Haka - here's info on how to set up the tracking, for 3 different trackers:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-Haka-(Voluum)

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...r-Haka-(Binom)

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...a-(Funnelflux)




Amy

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It´s not that important what geos he ran.

On one hand the performance for such offers can change very fast (in both directions).

Jaybot also runs such offers for pretty some time already so I bet he has a decent BL/WL for his campaigns.

It´s impossible to answer without knowing more details.

How much did you spend per geo?
Did you only target specific carriers or all carriers or WiFi as well?
Did you receive your traffic distributed across many placements or did just 2 or 3 huge placements burn through the budget?
What traffic did you run?
Why did you choose these geos?
Did you set a competitive bid or a low bid?

The more info you provide the better we can help

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Thanks for the reply To answer your Q's

I spent around $4-6 per geo.

Targeted all carriers and wifi, then asked what carriers have been working and tried them. Still got no luck.

Received well distributed traffic across around 5-6zones on average.

pop traffic on propeller.

Chose them cause they were recommended to me by my AM. Said that they were working well for other affiliates.

Set a pretty competitive, I read on on the 40 day guides to bid over the first hill only on propeller so I did that.

I know the margins are small but I think as a semi noob I should focus on these types of offers for now.

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@twinaxe: I kept wondering what is the difference in the way you guys run this offer. I tried multiple geos but see no success so far as you can see in the screenshot below:


For HAKA offer, there are not many moving parts to make pro much more advantage than newbies. Below are my thoughts:
- The offer is proven because you guys are already successful with it, so no need to split test offers to find the promising one. Normally testing offer is a huge area to differentiate between the newbie and pro but for this offer, pro has no advantage because we both use the same offer.
- Direct link works, so no need to split test lander to find a good lander. This is another area in which pro can easily beat newbies but not for this offer. Twinaxe also gave us his winning lander (in another thread), so there is no difference even when you want to use lander instead of direct link.
- So to succeed with HAKA offers we need to find the winning GEO/carrier. Everyday my AM sends me a list of top GEO/carrier, do you only test these geo/carrier pairs or do you mass test all other geos. What is your recommendation approach to test GEOs. My budget is limit, so I can not test every possible GEO/carrier pair.
- I did have some successful HAKA campaigns (with sweep offers) and noticed that the winning GEO/carrier pair will stop performing after few days/weeks and can perform well again in the future. This issue makes testing GEO even harder. A bad GEO today can turn to a winning GEO a month later. So how often do you re-test geo/carrier. Should we only stick to best performing GEO recommended by our AM everyday, otherwise I have no clue which GEO I should test/re-test and I have no budget to mass test GEOs again and again. This testing situation is very different from testing offers in which we only need to spend 10xpayout, and we never have to spend money to test the bad offer again.
- I mostly run offers with Push/CPC bid method. I also noticed that France/Spain keep toping the HAKA GEO list for months but the traffic there is quite expensive, how can you guys succeed with those GEOs with such lower offer payout. I mean only for this type of HAKA offer when there is not much moving parts. Do you use WL there.
- The final advantage between pros and newbies I can think of is the WL. Are most your successful campaigns using already proven WL ? Is there any chance to succeed without WL from the beginning ?

Is there anything else I miss in order to succeed with these offers ?

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@twinaxe: When you have time can you drop by to give your comment on my questions above. Those questions keep irritating me for months.

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@henrynguyengbr2016 Sorry, totally missed your post

I can´t speak for others but I personally often mass test.

To give an example, in the last 3-4 weeks I tested more than 500 campaigns only for click2call and click2sms offers.

For me it´s more important to get fast results than saving some money, especially for such verticals where performance can change that fast.

Unluckily it can get really expensive so I don´t recommend this approach when you are not prepared for it.

Nontheless you should find a way to test fast, it won´t help you when there are 10 good geos and you test only 2 geos per day.

Then you would test the last ones few days later where the performance can be completely different.

Important is that you have a good system to test fast and effective.

Keep in mind, for testing the main goal is not to find the perfect campaign right away.

You also don´t need high volume for it, this leads to your other question:

True, BL and WL can make a huge difference and of course you can also succeed without a WL.

We all were in that position

You say that you had some successful Haka campaigns, use the stats from these campaigns and start building rough BL/WL.

This is already much better than starting without any lists.

You also don´t have to build rough global lists only from your successful Haka campaigns.

I build BL and WL from many campaigns in different geos and verticals combined.

For me important is that the campaigns are successful and I prefer lower payout campaigns for it because they can give me more stats faster.

Mostly I go with the top geos from the dashboard.

Did you also test the offers on pops?

I have a campaign running for offer 1979 running with FR 3G traffic.

It runs pretty stable for about 1 1/2 months on Adcash CPA Goal.

It´s pretty hard to give a definite answer to your questions because there are so many different things involved.

A huge difference could be the trafficsource you use, maybe it´s also the creatives when you run push traffic.

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@twinaxe: can you comment if my testing strategy below is correct
1. Use rough WL/BL to test geo/carrier. If I'm using WL/BL, which bidding method should I use: CPC, CPM or CPA.
2. If the WL campaign shows promising then I will test that camp in RON and build Specific BL/WL for that Geo.
3. I only test sweep offers in POP but see no success so far. Do you recommend to test captcha download in Pop because I don't think the user will click on a capcha/download lander pop up from nowhere and push is more suitable because I can show some motivations for capcha/download via creatives.
4. When testing POP campaign using CPA, does the test budget follow the normal budget equation 10xpayout ?

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For testing I prefer WL over BL.

To test if something is working or not I don´t need high volume but I want high quality.

For push always use CPC, I can´t remember that I ever ran a push campaign on CPM when CPC was available.

CPM only makes sense when you already know your creatives performance and can get a lower CPC when you run it on CPM.

When you have a good converting funnel you can also use CPA for testing, when you want to splittest different offers and/or lander I wouldn´t use CPA for testing.

It can get too expensive when your funnel is not converting.

When a campaign is converting good try to get as much volume as possible, combine the different options to achieve it.

Continue running the WL campaign for high quality.
Also run RON/BL for more volume.
Then you can also run CPA for even more volume.

You should also test different user activity/freshness levels.

They do, most people are stupid

Just test it.

Usually I only run CPA on campaigns that are already converting.

Mostly I don´t set a test budget then and just let it run.

When I have a good campaign and run it on CPA I want as much volume as possible.

Let me know when you have more questions.

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@twinaxe: Is using WL on push campaign the same as WL on POP campaign ? I remember I read somewhere in one of your tutorials that the Push zone behave differently from the POP zone. I may remember incorrectly but I never has any success with WL push campaign

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Using a WL on push is the same principle as using a WL on pops.

It´s just the placements that are different ones

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@twinaxe: Can you elaborate more on the above tip. Is there any additional steps I need to implement in my tracker ? At the moment I only config my tracker (Voluum) as instructed in Vortex 40-day tutorial and it already can receive conversions from Haka and other network. But I don't know if it can track multiple-time conversions or only the first one.

I think the key difference here is the traffic source because it can make or break the campaign. The creatives do not have such a large impact, especially when running in pop. I only run with Propeller till now. How many traffic source do you think I should split test more ?

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I don´t have a Voluum account myself so I can´t tell much about it.

Let me tag @voluum so that they can tell you if it´s possible there or not.

Just test a few from the bigger and well known sources, it would help alot when you have a converting campaign.

Then it´s much easier to see if a source is working for you or not.

Propeller is a good source but unluckily it happens that sources that work for affiliate A don´t work for affiliate B and vice versa so it´s good to test a few to find a trafficsource that works good for you.

I have read quite a few times already that users here have very good campaigns running on sources where I have no success at all and I also read quite a few times that users can´t get campaigns running on my favorite source(s).

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@twinaxe: What is your successful rate out of this 500 test campaigns. I've just need an approximate number to motivate myself not giving up testing too soon. At the moment I often give up testing on a certain Haka offer after failed in 10-20 geos.

I don't get this point. When I have a converting campaign, that means the traffic source is good and no need to jump to another traffic source yet (except for scaling).
I think if the campaign is not converting in source A, I should test in traffic source B, C before giving up the campaign.

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My success/failure rate wouldn´t help you at all, in fact the success rate across all these campaigns was rather low.

But this was no problem for me and it was a calculated loss because my goal was not to find as many campaigns as possible.

My goal was to test en masse to find patterns.

You will read more about it soon

What I did when I started running the Haka offers was to just grab all offers and run tests.

Yes, it can be expensive and I lost quite some money because of course not all offers were winners but the ones that worked compensated the losses and much more.

A good way is to run tests in top geos with high volume and low bids.

Yup, that´s true but you also said that you had successful Haka campaugns already.

And to test new sources you don´t necessarily test them on Haka offers, you can also run tests with other good converting offers when you have some.

Apart from that you can also choose few sources, allocate the same test budget for all sources and run identical tests on them to compare which performs best.

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@twinaxe: I think you misunderstood me this point. I don't mean that Propellerads is not good for me. Propellerads works very well for me in some particular Haka offers in certain GEOs. But there are many other GEOs like France, Korea which keep topping the list of HAKA geos but I never be able to make it work on Propellerads. In this case do you think is it worth to test this offer on other traffic source ?
- Regarding CPA campaign, to which point do you think I should give up the campaign. I tried the 1979 offer using CPA on France and below is the result after 3 days. The first day showed very promising result but it is getting worse in the following days. Do you think I should stop the campaign now?

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I don´t test it on other sources when it fails completely on my main sources.

For example I never got geos like PH, SA, RU running with click2sms offers and only lost money there so I just don´t try it anymore.

The good thing is that there are so many opportunities that I don´t care if it doesn´t work in few geos.

I would have stopped it already.

Is it push or pops?

Anyway, when I don´t see good potential staright from the start I stop the campaign.

But as I said in other threads already, I also only run CPA on proven funnels.

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I'm going to hop in and slightly disagree with twinaxe there.

Was that a fresh CPA Goal on Propeller? In FR for a Haka offer? On Pops?

-27% on the first day is actually a good sign.

That means with some slight tweaks to the the bid or lander you could get it profitable after a few days (with a new camp).

Traffic dropping the second day could be a few things.

Usually it's because the conversions + price you are paying for the bid is not high enough compare to others on the network.

If you were bidding 50% the payout, I would up it to 80 or 85% and see if it changes.

The opposite, which makes no logical sense, also works sometimes (if you were at 80, try 50%).

If not using a lander, test one. If you are, test direct linked.

But.

If it's the offer simply stopped converting, not much you can do, then you just yell at Haka.

Also, when you've sent them a bunch of conversions and made them some money, I would definitely ask for a payout. Just a few cents more and you would have been close to breaking even on your first day.

Lastly, if the camp is losing less than $1 a day and still getting a conversion or two, I would simply leave it running. Sometimes, old CPAg camps pickup incredibly randomly* and will take off suddenly.

(*this is possibly when propeller gets a new zone or a new partner with traffic in that geo that had not been tested on your camp, but I'm completely guessing)

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@twinaxe: It's POP

@jaybot: Yes, it's a fresh CPA Goal on Propeller, FR and Haka offer on POP
Do you mean I have to create a new CPA camp if I want to tweak bid ? Why can't I tweak the existing camp

I'm were at 80%. If I change the CPA value, do I need to create a new CPA campaign ?

And final question for jaybot, via your popular FA I see you test offers using CPA. So do you set test budget (10xpayout) for CPA campaign ?. CPA campaigns often spend high in the beginning and it may never reach the breakeven point, so how can I avoid overspending when testing with CPA campaigns ?

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Yes. Any time you want to make any changes to a camp on Propeller*** (targeting or bids), especially a CPA Goal camp, you have to start a new camp.

This is one of the biggest problems with Propeller. Their algorithms are very fragile.

As for testing with CPA Goal... I set test budget to whatever makes sense. Volume must be taken into account. If it's a 10c payout I have to set it to minimum Daily of $10 no matter what <--- and even then, an average 10c payout in NG can blow through $80+ a day and still lose money on Day 1, but be profitable on Day 2 or 3. For typical SOI offers, $10-30 should be enough to gauge if the offer is worth pursuing (lots of conversions, no more than -50% ROI).


*** blacklisting or whitelisting zones on CPM or CPC camps is the only OK thing.

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@jaybot: So that means the test budget using CPA bid doesn't follow the rule of 10xpayout. I wonder why because for normal CPM campaign, we only need max 10xpayout to determine if the campaign is promising or not (assuming 1 lander 1 offer). For example I'm testing one campaign using CPA and below is it's performance over 2 days. The lost is 10$ with -50% ROI and I would stop it right now if it's running in CPM. So for HAKA campaigns in which I already narrow down to one carrier, one lander, one offer, do you think I should continue the campaign with ROI higher than -50% in 2 consecutive days ?

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It all depends on your goals really.

The 10x payout rule doesn't apply to a lot of things. You'd be shutting off traffic after spending $1 on a 10c offer in Indonesia. Which wouldn't tell you much.

CPA Goal camps are a different beast, yes. Because they get blasted from the beginning with propeller's best zones at super high CPM to see if it converts, costing you more money at the beginning; as the algorithm finds out what the camp does in comparison to other offers running on the same zones, it adjusts traffic and costs to match the performance of your offer.

The above screenshot is still hard to tell. If it continues to taper off a third day with 0-1 conversion and loses a $1-2 it will simply kill itself. This means Propeller doesn't think you'll get many more conversions and so they simply won't send you any more traffic.

If it picks up the third day and suddenly gets 16 conversions, and only loses $1.8 I would probably keep it going.

I slightly agree that CPA Goal campaigns should be used for proven offers, as @twinaxe says, but I also believe they can be used to test offers if you have enough experience testing offers with it (which makes it a bit of a catch-22, I know) as you get a feel for how the algorithm reacts to offers when you test it.

Again, depending on your goals and risk tolerance:



I have been running these in NG since May. Around breakeven, somedays green, sometimes red. I am collecting good money on push subs though.



This is just this week. Tested a very obscure geo on CPA Goal pops and push. Push performed best.



This is a LATAM geo for this month.

So whether your goal is 0% 30% or 100% ROI CPA Goal can definitely work for testing and running offers.

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@jaybot: Wow this gonna take a lot of more effort for CPM campaign. I think we only need to create a new camp when changing the targeting or bid of existing green camps right. For the "red" camps where we need to exclude some targets, increasing bid to optimize the funnel, then it will not necessary to do it in a new camp right because it's still in red anyway. Is my thinking correct ?

For CPA campaign this problem also cost much more than CPM right because the new CPA camp has to start everything from the beginning with the trial phase which cost money to adjust the performance. In CPM at least we still can inherit some BL zones.

Another question, let say I have a green CPA camp with CPA goal setting at 80% payout and I want to create a new Camp at 70% payout to get more profit. Can I run 2 CPA camps at the same time, do they compete with each other ?

On the topic of push subs, I followed your "propush" case study and manage to grab an extra 10$-20$ daily. Since involving in this push subs area I see there are other services which let us collecting our own push database to send them messages later to monetize . So do you think which approach will bring more profit for us in the long run: "propush" approach with daily revenue or "building own push db" to monetize later with our own offers.

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Thats an interesting name I will make sure to give them a try

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Anybody still having success with these offers? I've been testing a few and I haven't really had much luck yet.

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Yes, see other thread.

To be honest, when I discovered Haka here on STM and gave it a try I also lost some money in the beginning because I took ALL their offers and tested them in several geos to find something that works.

Once I trimmed it down the perfomance increased alot.

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@twinaxe thanks for the reply. I read the 7.1k With Direct Linking thread and have some ideas to test.

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For questions just post there

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I've been testing these offers with Propeller Ads, Richads and Popads pop traffic. I picked up some conversions early on but it's been rough the past 4-5 days. On the other hand, the Zeydoo survey offers have been converting well for me so I'll probably play with them a bit more.

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