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What verticals have been the most profitable for you? (22)

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Before I joined STM I wasted around $350 on push to make $80 back, these were mostly SOI Sweeps offers and one cpl offer from a Zeydoo case study. Just wondering if there are certain verticals and conversion types which are more profitable than others? I know desktop traffic is on the decline.
Thanks in advance!

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To keep the answer easy:

Vertical - Sweeps (people will always love to get free stuff and there are more than enough offers available)
Conversion type - SOI (keep it as simple as possible), in lower tier geos also pin submit

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According to our internal statistics, the following verticals are on the hype now:
• Antivirus & VPNs;
• Crypto;
• Sweepstakes;
• Gambling;
• Betting.

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Crypto for me

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I assume those offers are FTD?

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Other than SOI are there any other types of conversions that have been working? Some people that I know have been telling me to try CC submit sweeps because you can get about $15-$25 CPA.
What do you think about CC offers with push?

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How much are you willing to lose for ONE conversion?

Expect to spend at least 10x the offer payout to get ONE.

So for an average CC submit, at $15, you will spend about $150 before your first conversion. Assuming your creatives and landers are all in order.

For a $1 SOI, expect to spend $10 before getting that $1 back.

Crypto FTD? $500 payout? Expect to spend $5000 for your first conversion.

Of course, you could get lucky. That conversion could come on your first $0.10

But then you could spend another 20x with no conversions.

Something to keep in mind

Good luck!

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So... how much money do you have burning a hole in your pocket?

You could always try Native, Google or Facebook and do eCommerce or lead gen. Bigger payouts, but bigger testing budgets as well. Plus, depending upon what you want to advertise, you may lose Facebook and even Google accounts and you'll need a source for new ones. Which costs money and frustrates the testing process.

Me, I had some money burning a hole in my pocket, so tried Facebook with Clickbank and then POD. Got tired of the ban game so I'm currently focusing on lead gen on Native, but you can spend in a day what some of the newbies spend in a week or even a month on Pops and Push.

If I could do it all over again, I might have really focused on Push and made it work, to really learn reading data and optimizing. But just couldn't get interested enough, probably not enough money at risk.

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Lol, let's talk about what @twinaxe lost on megapush in 6 hours (several k).

Or even what I lost on ZP in a few hours of push/pops in the US (close to $600).

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True, but those are flukes versus intended traffic levels. Doesn't hurt any less, probably hurts more, but still a fluke.

Rather like when I found those two Push placements on Taboola that went through several hundred each in about 20 minutes.

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Thanks for the reply . I will keep all of this in mind, the 10x rule for conversion will help me to spread my budget more evenly. I think that's why my testing balance drains so quickly, cause I spend too much on offers that are not converting.

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I don't have the budget to run these sources like native or FB but I know the potential profits are amazing. My brother currently runs native on Taboola/Rev content I believe and his daily budget is probably more than I spend in a month, which I find crazy being a newbie. Fb is just a game of cat and mouse, wish I got on it while it was fresh, my bro said dating cpa offers converted on there like crazy back then. Thanks for you're reply, very knowledgeable

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Sorry if this is a stupid question but whats the CPC like on Taboola or native ads in general? Is it like adwords, or much more expensive?

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It really depends, plus Taboola has smartbid which can raise or lower your CPC in an attempt to maximize your value. So anywhere from $.3 to $1 or more.

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Unintended for us, maybe, but definitely intentional by the traffic sources.

Push volume is no joke

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Were I you, I'd offer to act as a media buyer for your brother and learn from him. Learn on his dime and see if you can get a small salary or cut of the profit, or even just do it for free. But if you have a brother doing well on Taboola, there is absolutely no reason in the world not to learn from him if he'll teach you.

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I would love that but i'd feel very guilty spending someone else's money, especially when I don't know what I'm doing. He did teach me a lot about push in the gambling/casino niche which he was very profitable in, however these require a bigger budget to test than I possess currently
It also would be pretty tough to work with him due to my time constraints with school work overall busy schedule. Might be something for the future though!

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Sorry to bump the thread guys.

After soaking up as much info as possible in the push section of STM I have decided that I need to up my budget to fully give myself a good start and the capabilities to test tons of offers to find a winner.
I am going to admit I was a bit naïve to how much money you really need to get started, don't think my $500 would cut it lol. Going to work to get my budget up to around $1500-2k before I start launching camps. I have launched a few camps but I haven't been consistently testing enough which has halted my progress imo. It's true you only learn by running camps which I have not done enough of.


I was thinking of starting with $1-3 Soi sweeps and then moving onto $8 casino lead gen offers once confident I know how to optimise effectively.

SOI seems to be great if you want to learn on semi-low budgets and teach yourself the basics of how to optimise campaigns. it will also allow me to test tons of different offers due to the low payouts.

I will be buying Binom as well as it seems to be great for pop/push traffic. Everything I read is just outlining how great it is for the price to performance.

I will also rent the $20 per month server on digital ocean. That was the one recommended in the 40 day tutorial.

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I think the above is a smart plan.

Really the money you're spending is in investing in yourself to build a skillset.

The chances of starting any new traffic source and making money from the get go is 1 in a million in my opinion... the trick is to pick a traffic source wisely, spend your money on it wisely, and as efficiently as possible "master" that traffic network, and the art of media buying in general.

From there you'll have a skillset (buying media, or more specifically buying media on x traffic type, or even more specifically buying media on x traffic type and y network) that's more valuable than 98% of skillsets out there in the modern digital economy.

Then, you can leverage that skillset to make money by either a) running affiliate offers on the traffic source, or b) running media on that traffic source for other people, or c) selling your knowledge via consulting/Upwork, etc.

So yeah, you're doing great man! FAR beyond where I was at your age

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Yes, $500 isnt a spectacular budget... I have seen people make it with such low budgets but that was a few years ago when certain offers were converting much easier.

Binom is a good tracker, you can't really go wrong with that one.

SOI sweeps are great for learning too, but you might also want to look at some of the recent threads from twinaxe where he shows how to run click2sms offers, here for example : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-For-STM-Users

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Thanks for the words of encouragement and wisdom guys it means a lot

In terms of heightening my skills, I applied for a college course which focuses on social media ad campaigns and analysing big data. Hopefully this will help me learn how to optimise my out of school camps more effectively. Also the money I have spent currently has taught me a wealth of knowledge on push traffic and some pops. I truly believe you can only learn by running camps and making the mistakes yourself. No matter how much I have read, the few push/pop camps have taught me a lot more than any guide/case study I have read. However I have always been more of a do it yourself sort of learner.

My aims for when I first run traffic again is to make $15 per day profit. This would require at least 5-6 Soi sweeps conversions. IMO I think this is doable for a newbie, what are your guy's thoughts. Is it unrealistic or not?

Click2sms looks interesting however they payouts are so low i'm confused as to how you can make decent returns promoting them. It probably would be easier if you had access to WL and BL but atm I don't (I should probably start making one once I run traffic) I did try some Mobidea click2sms offers that did ok but still left me at around -79% ROI. I'm still learning though so I was probably promoting them wrong The geos/offers were not suggested, I just promoted ones I thought would work lol.

Whats your suggestions for good SOI networks? I know most have them but which one do you think is the best? I'm currently working with zeydoo a lot but most of the offers I have been recommended performed terribly. But I have $58 in the account so I want to get up to the payment threshold. In total I have made around $90 in revenue but it's split across a few networks (one of which I will not be returning to).

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