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They can also work but dating is a very visual vertical where more dating specific creatives mostly work better.
So I'm thinking that I should probably just scrap these offers and move on to testing different offers. It seems like the offers are the problem. I doubt the problem is that the traffic
Just by gut feeling or because that combination was recommended to work?
On a huge trafficsource like ZP 100 views per offer is nothing and when the combination then isn´t even promising the stats are not unusual at all.
Zeropark is a great trafficsource but it has so much volume and no freshness targeting that you basically always run RON.
However, try to identify good sources first and then run BL campaigns on these sources.
When you run all available sources together with no BL you can bleed quite some money before you see success.
Hi @twinaxe thanks for the response. I obviously still have a lot to learn, I appreciate you helping me out.
I decided to run these offers because I had decided to try the dating vertical, and these were all the lowest payout offers in dating that I could find in the affiliate networks that I had been accepted to. I have read in this forum that it is best to pick a vertical and stick with it as a newbie, so I chose dating, and also that it's best to start with low payout offers. Haka AM had reccomended a few of these offers, and one of the reccomended GEO's on the offers on zeydoo was Colombia, so I decided to start with Colombia.
I used zeropark because after I had put the campaign together to test these offers, I noticed that propeller ads doesn't let you run adult landers. I had read about freshness targeting in your tutorial, but I forgot about it. Makes sense I didn't get any conversions. I think I'll leave zeropark alone for now then, and go back to propeller ads.
I think my next step for now will be to ask AM's for recommendations of non-adult dating offers, and start testing them on propeller ads. Does this sound like a good idea to you?
Also, is there a better way for me to find offers that are more promising, other than just asking AM's for offer reccomendations? How do experienced affiliate marketers usually find new offers that are likely to convert? Are you just testing lots of new offers all the time until you come across one that is good, or do you only test new offers that have been recommended to you? Also where do you usually get recommendations from? Do you just spend a lot of time trawling forums like this one looking for people talking about which offers are working right now?
Thanks again for the help! Sorry for so many questions 
I've continued running my WL campaign which is staying green around 10% ROI, but the traffic volume is so low that it's only spending about $1 per day. I started running a BL campaign as well which is sitting at about -30% ROI. I've decided to keep running this even though it's losing money just to build a higher quality WL and BL for brazil. I read that for push, placement BL are often the same for all GEO's, so I'm hoping that this BL will also help me spend less money testing offers in other Latin America GEO's in future.
So my problem at the moment is that these campaigns are having such low traffic volume because my creative CTR is so low (around 0.6%). I tried a bunch of different creatives today to try and get more traffic, and I'm surprised to see that they are all having roughly the same low CTR (0.4%-0.8%).
I even tried just doing a "(1) New Message - Click HERE to read" creative, because I read in @twinaxe push tutorial that these sorts of generalised creatives usually have high CTR. I think it's possible that the problem might be my translation. Even though they are such short phrases, google translate might not be cutting it.
The offer is a casino offer, running in Brazil. I read @twinaxe recent campaign guide, and went to try the offer from that. That offer wasn't accepting new affiliates, but the one I'm running is another similar one from the same network. Was keeping this private at first, just because that's what everyone else does lol, but I just read that post about how newbies should stop keeping things private if they want help.
Can anyone share some creatives with me that will help raise my CTR (hopefully without affecting CR too much!) for a casino offer in Brazil?
Hey man.
Big sorry, somehow I´ve overseen your last posts.
When you get more experience it´s easier to tell what could work and what not so that you can grab offers on your own.
If yes, what activity do you target and if your bid is below recommended try to increase it.
A WL campaign can never grow in terms of number of placements, it can only stay the same or become smaller.
It´s probably my fault because I crashed the system witht he guide, wouldn´t be the first time
And always keep in your mind: Who do you think wants to steal non-profitable campaigns from a newbie
Thanks for the response @twinaxe, no worries about missing my last few posts!
Yes I'm using propeller again. I've only been running on high activity users. I actually did use the creative you mentioned in your guide and that was getting around 0.6% CTR. Was it higher for you? Good to know that 0.8 is normal for mobile push. I was just surprised it was so low, because the same "(1) new message" creative had been getting me around 8% in a different GEO just last week.
I'm going to take the weekend off and get back to testing new offers on Monday. I've just managed to scrape my way into click dealer so hopefully I'll find some success there. Going to try traffic company also, recommended by @jaybot . Onwards and upwards from here!
Oh also @twinaxe I sent you a message asking if you could send me the rules lander to test dating offers with because I haven't been able to find it on adplexity. I have found ones similar but not the same as the one mentioned in your push tutorial. The only ones I could find are all these super pornographic "you will be sent nude photos, are you over 18" sort of landers, which I can't use on propeller ads. I signed up to pushground also to be able to test these sorts of offers and landers, because I saw that they accept adult material and also have targeting by subscription age. But still, if someone could send me the rules lander that I keep seeing mentioned that would be great. Maybe @vortex could you help me out with that? I have seen you sharing landing pages in some other FA's
Originally Posted by bigmoneybrad
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...s-Thread/page2
Dropbox link in there has some dating landers all ready to go.
Here you can see my CTR for the BR casino campaigns
Really man, for that lander you don´t need Adplexity.
Just grab an adult smartlink if one of your networks has one and open it multiple times and you can just grab few rules lander from there.
Another way is to go to X-Hamster or so and just click some dating banners and you will also get few rules landers that way.
I don´t run much adult myself so I also don´t have a collection of rules landers, I only have exactly one of them that I use myself but I won´t share it because I customized it for my needs
When you have few of these landers you can change images and text there so that you can build your own arsenal that way.
Update time!
Thanks @jaybot and @twinaxe for your help, I got some of those landers the STM lander thread and some others from adplexity.
Tested some offers this week, recommended to me by AM's on AdCombo and Clickdealer. A mainstream dating SOI offer in Italy is showing some promise. After $20 test over 2 days, with 3 landing pages and a direct link, it was sitting at -50% ROI, but I looked at the stats in funnel flux, and it looks like my landing pages are just doing really shit. They all had low CTR and were eating up all the clicks and not converting, whereas the direct linking on it's own was at like -1% ROI, so very very close to being profitable.
I've just started a new campaign just direct linking, hopefully we will see something close to profit in a day or so!
Something really annoying is that the stats also show that almost all of the conversions have come from one phone brand, but I don't seem to be able to filter by device brand on propeller ads. If I could show my creatives to only that device brand I'm pretty sure it would get to profit. Is this possible on propeller ads and I'm just missing something? Or is there another way to achieve this?
For example I also run a dating offer at the moment direct linked because the inbuilt prelanders are better than my own
I personally also don´t like to target by brands or similar granular metrics.
For me it´s only important that the elements with highest volume/spend are profitable.
The tighter you target the less overall volume you will receive.
I better run a campaign on little bit lower ROI but higher volume instead of optimizing it too much and too granular and be left with only low volume.
When you exclude smaller elements just because they are in loss you risk that then the loss from lower overall volume can be higher than the loss from these brands alone.
Originally Posted by bigmoneybrad
Well, you could put it in the Ad Creative itself, to weed out potential non-device-owners, like '(1) Jessica wants to chat with you. I ONLY love men with Samsung Phones!" or something.
In Funnel-Flux you should be able to setup rules to filter out non-good devices and simply send them to a different offer/smartlink.
But.
This is a big but. Somewhere between a BR and an AR but.
You have to assume that FunnelFlux's device brand thingy is accurate. If they're basing it on User Agent or some other magic, it might just be guessing. In which case, all of your granular stats about devices could simply be inaccurate.
Even browser data is wildly inaccurate on many trackers.
They do their best. But the internet is a strange place full of weird data, so they can't always catch everything. This is also true for traffic sources themselves. Which is why you can exclude Android Webview on Pops all day, but some traffic will still slip through.
That being said, twinaxe is usually right.
And by usually, I mean like 99.3% of the time.
You don't usually want to go that granular on device type.
You can exclude certain browsers. Include only native language.
You can even include only certain OS versions (the 3 most recent Android in large volume geos)
But device type? That may be a holdover from the golden days of 1-click pops when their was a shit ton of traffic, it all converted, and you could optimize to your heart's content.
These days, it's more about finding an offer that converts on as much traffic as possible.
Oh, you should also remember that traffic sources want to sell all their traffic. Not just their good traffic.
If you try to only buy their good traffic, they won't give you any volume. So you have to accept buying some mediocre and some shit traffic too.
Finding that balance is a tough thing to do, but it will make sense eventually
Don´t get me wrong but I won´t recommend any specific geos because this would only increase competition there and this wouldn´t help anyone.
But check your BR and IQ campaigns as well for creatives.
These geos have high volume so that you can blacklist rather aggressive there and still have enough traffic left so when there is also a creative that isn´t that bad it could also work.
Problem could be the bid, the offer would have to convert at 25% or 30% to be profitable.
Hey bud how's it going I've been looking for some fellow sharp and driven noobs to network with and bounce ideas off of. Let's link up.
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