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Very Low Monetizer Earnings? (28)

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Hello affiliates

If you've been following my FA you'll notice I also use Monetizer to save my ass, but its not been so good lately.

Monetizer, in general, helped my colleague affiliates stabilizing their profits and giving them a nice boost in revenue, Monetizer has also helped me in the past although I didn't use it to the fullest (didn't put it on all the landing pages).

I started since the end of January with it and placed it on my back-button & pushsub collection pop-up on the landing page. (didn't select my my popup to have "Interaction Prompt" and just used normal push sub collection)

I've put it on some of my landing pages but got lazy adding the codes so eventually it was only on a part of my landers.

Now, since talking with @caravaggio and seeing what nice results he's getting with the help of Monetizer, On the 14/05 I decided to also fully implement monetizer on all of my landing pages.

But it seems like my monetizer "CTR" had dropped and earnings too.

I will screenshot how it looked since I started so you can get an idea how it looks below (its kind of flipped but you'll understand ):

I will screenshot only my push sub earnings but it shouldn't matter since the push subs are about 90% of the earnings anyway

January:

(total Monetizer earnings, January: 124$)


February:


(total Monetizer earnings, February: 557$)

March:


(total Monetizer earnings, March: 557$, yes actually the same as in February)

April:


(total Monetizer earnings, April: 581$)

Now, since 14/05, I placed the Monetizer codes on all my landing pages.
May:


​(total Monetizer earnings, May: 228$)

If you have been following my FA you'll know that last couple of days I have been spending up to 300$ daily, but still revenues are small.
June (until now):


(total Monetizer earnings, June to date: 88$)

So unless you're blind You'll definitely notice the CTR has been dropping steadily on the stats.

Let's go by GEO now:

January:



(total Monetizer earnings, January: 124$)

February:


(total Monetizer earnings, February: 557$)

March:

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(total Monetizer earnings, March: 557$, yes actually the same as in February)

April:


(total Monetizer earnings, April: 581$)

April tracker stats by GEO for reference:
(Note that I didn't have the scripts on all my landing pages here)


Now, since 14/05, I placed the Monetizer codes on all my landing pages.
May:



(total Monetizer earnings, May: 228$)

May total Adspend, not accounted for clickloss (sorry I had used 3 different tracker accounts that month ):
1419$


If you've been following my FA, you'll know that last couple of days my daily adspend has increased to 300$.
June (until today):



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(total Monetizer earnings, June to date: 88$)

And spend for June so far (only running FR for now):


So you would have definitely noticed that the CTR have been dropping. This is very different from @caravaggio who had days where he spent 200$ and got 100$ from Monetizer earnings, @caravaggio claiming that his CTR is still around 0.4% on average.

Or @jaybot, spending 200$/day on average right now (don't tell his wife), and getting about 50$ on average from Monetizer.

Hopefully you can help me find the cause/pattern/solution. If you need any more details just tell me and I'll add it

About knowing if I'm maximizing my Monetizer:


What other details can I tell you? I switched a domain recently to host my landing pages on LanderLab on 3/05
I switched different trackers, so different tracker domains, don't know if that has a relation.

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So, after further discussion with @caravaggio, he pointed to me that on average his monetizer earnings are about 50% of his spend (!!) vs. me having about 15% earnings of my spend.

Although, he runs 90% 1-3 user freshness and claims that to be a substantially big factor.

That is like giving you room to be doing -50% ROI and still being at breaking-even, sounds good to me when testing, but this didn't happen to me yet.

He showed me numbers like these:

FR Campaign in April, Mobile, 100% 1-3 user freshness on Propeller (High).

214$ spent


128.25$ monetizer earnings


1,1k new subs

Take a look at my new FR camp
2k spent 34$ earned This definitely looks strange to me. Anyone has experience with Monetizer and landerlab? maybe im fucking up with the code?

I definitelly installed their Monetizer codes on all of my landing pages:

I then also requested from LanderLab to put the JS of Monetizer in the root folder for me. They did. I don't know about that.

Anyway, I want to have 50% too. Before you bitch on me, I was running alot on Propeller too in IT & ES, Mobile, Dating, High user activity in February/March.

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Besides traffic it also depends on GEO.

For example right now I test MX camp and after spent $46 I got only $1.4 from Monetizer..

When I tested Thailand - it's 30% of spent back.

So it depends on many factors but quality of traffic + good GEO are the key.

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With regards to FR, it's a decreasing market recently from what I see, the months you mentioned being 'good' were pretty strong back then.

With push it comes all to the freshness of a subscriber, some networks do 70% of their daily revenue of subscriptions which are 72h old, hence why the bids are much higher there as well. Moreover, people get blind to notifications after a while and probably just haven't unsubscribed because they don't know how to do so.

All the guys who are 'big' in push gonna tell you the same, that the average acquisition of a subscriber got more expensive while the lifetime ROI of a sub is decreasing. Unfortunately the blindness effect is kicking in heavily in the past months as it seems.

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Nah. It wasn’t doing well 2-3 months ago and suddenly tanked. Performance is exactly the same, including FR for me.

Maybe your domain sounds bad? I’m not subscribing to huge-titty-deals.site if I’m hoping for an iPhone

There are various factors. But to me, it sounds like something is definitely fucked up on the technical side. How many subs are you collecting per day?

I have subs from tons of geos, and I’m only grabbing about 300-1000 subs from FR a day, mostly from pops.

Push subs are also really cumulative. I keep about 60k active subs (from tier 1-2 some 3) most of the time. What’s yours at?

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Hey Jaybot My domain sounds good and fitting for all verticals lol I made sure that was the case.

My subs are about 300-800 at day right now on FR, less than 10$ daily earnings from it though.

My active subs:

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Not really sure if I understood correctly - so FR was good and it's still good for you as well? Or it was bad and it's still bad?

Because I'm not sure if my numbers was are such outstanding or it's normal for this GEO.

Btw. When you compare POP vs Push - which source gives better quality (in terms of ROI) subscribers?

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Good.

Might wanna check the Manage Links and make sure the one you're using on backbutton (or whatever shows up in your Leagues) is set to vAuto.

Other than that, fuck if I know

I know we're talking about spend. But. Realize that most SOI definitely have more stable revenue at low volume, especially when still in testing phases. I can blow $100 on CC submit and have 0 revenue. Rare as fuck for that to happen on SOI, you would stop it way sooner. Most SOI, even when testing, I'll get -%70 to -%50 on most campaigns. So the overall losses are less.

One way to test would be to throw some money at a simple SOI in a geo with good push subs revenue, like ZA, and see if there is a major change in your push revenue.

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Yeah, that reads weird if you're not in my head.

I was responding to what @fjk87 said.

FR was fine and is fine. Hasn't changed at all, or that dramatically in the past few months. Not for small fish like us anyway.

As for POP vs Push, I get more bang for my buck collecting from POPs simply because of volume. But I imagine coming from push, you get better quality subs.

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Got it now. Thanks for clarification

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UPDATE on my Monetizer misery:


The Monetizer revenue above is from all the @Monetizer earnings (push & smartlink)
This is the Revenue from Push subs section earnings only (note the dates are inverted):



So I have been still getting about 10$ of Monetizer Revenue when spending about 200$ a day;
When spending about 200$ a day, picking about 800 push-subs a day.
Those subs seem to be short lived, since my last update I'm still at 13K active subs:

On days when my spend drops to about 70$, the Monetizer subs also drop quite drastically (to about 400 daily subs, if you are lazy to compare the above screenshots), and Monetizer Revenue drops to about 7$.
Also, even if I resume a 200$ spend the next day, the even lower earnings still last for for a couple of days until they finally pick up again. So it seems that every hit that those subs take (on a lower volume day), the impact lasts for a couple of days.

I still run FR mostly until now, although, as you can see many of my spend comes from Runative, which is a big volume network, with no user freshness option (I just RON there), and I bid kind of mediocre there.

So, in my opinion, the most important metric, the % of Revenue from Monetizer at the moment in relation to spend, is about 5% on average this month, this is far from the 50% @caravaggio has showcased to us.


I have a feeling this is related to me hosting my landers on LanderLab. @platinum?

Anyone with experience on LanderLab and this stuff?

It seems like for my low Revenue even more than usual I get % from the smartlink (which is setup as the backbutton & campaign targeting mismatch redirect), like 30-40% of the Revenue is coming from the smartlink currently, as you can see in the table below:


Am I right that @jaybot and @caravaggio like 90% of your earnings are from the push-subs right?

Ps. I think that's the only setting we can change within Monetizer push-subs?


Oh yeah, my GEO stats this month so far:


About 3.8k spent on France this month (and that's the spend that I pulled from the Tracker )

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Imo I don't think its right to focus on optimizing monetizer earnings.

I think the priority is to first maximize campaign profit. Monetizer is just a secondary profit stream.

If that is not feasible, then focus on driving volume - lots of leads while breaking even (slightly red to slightly green). If you are doing this then you are relying entirely on monetizer to profit. I would try to put less focus on these types of campaigns and rather look for the offers with higher margin.

The reason why I wouldn't focus on optimizing monetizer is because you don't have much control on the optimization process. Much of it depends if other people buy traffic from you, what types of offers they run and whether your traffic is good quality.

A large database doesn't automatically mean you make a ton of recurring profit. A large database can produce low eCPMs (low profit) if you have bad quality traffic and vice versa.

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I have to agree with this... monetizer earnings won't make or break the campaign in most cases, it's just gonna improve the bottom line. Same with backbuttons and similar "extra" monetization methods. To be fair, I had cases where such methods would increase the revenue by 20-30%, which is a lot and can turn a red campaign into a green one with solid profits, but in most cases it's not the case.

In the ideal case, you need to be profitable without any extra profit squeezing methods and you should focus your optimization efforts on achieving this.

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Kindof agree here, but I also have to say something is way the fuck off.

First though, you gotta include your income from the Leagues section too, as a lot of the rev share BB and from successful conversions on your push traffic can end up there.

My income from push subs only (I think this is simply the % of your cut for monetizer selling clicks to your subscribed users) is $8.9k total since I started.

But my total Monetizer earnings is $11.2k, so there is an extra $2.3k of earnings from somewhere. I think that's the revshare from conversions on push subs and from backbutton (although, I could be wrong, I frequently am).

It's hard to pinpoint what the problem is though. If it's landerlab, it would be easy to check, right?

Load up your link in a browser and see if the push sub prompt comes up, probably not the host (with your privacy options and blocks off, duh). If it doesn't come up, then it could be a bunch of shit that's the problem.

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I did, the earnings I show above are from https://app.monetizer.com/earnings is that what you mean?

So about 20% of "other" earnings for you then When for me it is about 30-40%.. Close.. enough..

I don't know if that's normal, but yesterday I tried to subscribe to my own monetizer, and after disabling the notifcations block, going incognito, clearing settings, it still took me about 4-5 tries to get the pop-up show up.

But then after opting I also didn't receive any Push Ad since. Just tried from my laptop though

This also gives me an idea... maybe my zone is in every BL possible and I should try a new monetizer account?

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No, it's rather that you have a good campaign running. Good campaigns mean you have good traffic going into it (traffic that converts at least). A % of that traffic will become your monetizer subs, and those subs should produce a higher % roi because it came from a good source. People will probably not BL it because it will probably convert for them too.

I think once you have enough monetizer data you can start seeing trends of which geos youre doing well for push subs, then you can create more campaigns for that.

I personally think you would be using your time better creating better campaigns, rather than trying to optimize your monetizer subs.

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It's pretty impossible for LanderLab to influence your Monetizer revenue results. Practically it just takes care of hosting the landing page and making sure to serve it as fast as possible, making sure all speed-related technicalities a landing page hosting needs.

In other words, consider your landers hosted on landerlab as if they were hosted on one of your servers+CDN, with the addition of a tech freak behind that is looking after the delivery speeds and availability.


I haven't ran anything with Monetizer lately, but I do believe they make it pretty easy to see which countries have the highest EPC as well as CR for their smart links. Besides that, I would take in consideration the source you are buying your traffic from. As you say above, you have no user freshness option, so that is something that might affect the results too.

Campaign targeting mismatch redirect rules as well as back button traffic can influence a lot the results. Just consider the fact that your offer doesn't want traffic from X Y Z, something similar which can happen with the smartlink offer as well. Generally speaking there quite often, you can see that some targeting details are somehow refused by most offers, so there's definitely a reason about it. Ad and lead fraud are some of the most common.

In regards to Monetizer push subs that you generate, your targeting options are again an important factor to take in consideration. First starting from the country, then followed by the offers available for that country, connection type, conversion flow, conversion rate, as well as the payout.

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Anyone who collect subscribers on Monetizer noticed big decline this weekend or it's just me? Mostly in CTR and clicks = revenue as well @roiter123 @jaybot

I run mostly 3 different GEOs and every one of them tanked. 3k new subscribers and funny earnings like $20 or so while usually days like this = $50-$80

I didn't really change anything so I wonder if maybe @Monetizer changes some things.

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@caravaggio Different story for me. I experienced a spike this weekend. Probably because I added new geos to my campaigns

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Any of your geos are maybe one of ES, TH, IT? Because sometimes specific geos tank I guess.

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Friday-Monday $59, $54, $50, $45

Nothing too out of the ordinary.

I run a lot of crappy pops volume on TH, but those subs don't amount to much.

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Hmm. update us, because my monetizer earnings are low as usual Been running mostly high user freshness for a while now, still no 50% of Adspend (I'm running a good push earnings GEO), actually, more like 5-10% of Adspend.

3k subs in a day? If so, what's your adspend?

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Not really sure how to summarize what happened with my Monetizer.

I didn't run too much volume for a week or so. Because of various reasons which I mentioned on my FA. My earnings from Monetizer were smaller and smaller. When I was back and started to add new subscribers my earnings didn't grow up. They still declined.

I feel like Monetizer earnings for push are kind of prediction. They see overall earnings from specific GEO of every user, for specific period. And then based on that they "gives" you earnings every day.

So maybe when I didn't run for a week I earned more than I should and later system had to "get back" its money? @Monetizer maybe you could confirm / reject my theory?

Anyway, right now I don't run volume for GEOs I did run before because my offers stopped to work.

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The monetizer earnings should be quite accurate because the push list that you've acquired is used/sold on their Advertizer platform.

If you've ever used Advertizer before you will see that the "placements" are actually user id's from Monetizer.

If your push list is doing well, people will continue buying from it. But if the push quality is not there people may choose to blacklist you.

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Ohh, that's interesting. I was sure that Monetizer running all camps on our lists, not other people.

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They might have some campaigns setup for unsold traffic, but monetizer acts as a traffic network on it's own... so I'd say the bulk of the clicks is sold to external buyers.

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Okey, so it explains a lot. When I stopped to deliver traffic for a week I lost my "long-term customers". After my back it wasn't sold as quick and as expensive as it was before.

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I noticed my AVG (free) is blocking monetizer content quite fast.

Question is: do y'all swap Monetizer domains from time to time to increase performance?

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