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Hey guys

I will cut the extensive introduction and I will get to the point, this is where I started from so you can go ahead and read my sexy fucking diary there

Lets get to the point!

I've been doing mostly (adult) dating on Push since the start of the year but I've seen moderate success and mostly red:


I've seen very green from crypto & binary options conversions but fuck that isn't moral and I canceled the campaigns (still got 2 late conversions worth 1.3k though).

I just started running sweeps last week and fuck it is much easier than dating in terms of creatives.

But I'm seeing very red from sweeps so far, let's get to the updates.

I told myself I will start from the phone sweeps cause that's what everybody's running.

SOI to start with (that's where I am right now).

I chose the GEO's: US, FR, ES to start with.

then I am also running IT right now.

Every campaign I categorize as "GEO-#number of campaigns in that GEO"

For example US-1, FR-3, IT-5. Campaign means a certain bunch of offers and / or landing pages.

US-1 was the first campaign I launched in sweeps, I initially set-up 4 iPhone SOI offers and the one&only GiftBox landing page from @twinaxe.

Like in my previous section of my diary I had very low CTR and low volume, of course i was used to higher ctr from dating.

The networks I used were YepAds, Gotzha & Advidi, payouts were 2.25$, 3.00$, 2.40$, 2.25$

I started the campaign in Propeller at the bid of 0.036 like I mentioned in the first part of my dairy and I got very low CTR, so what I did was to duplicate it to Evadav & Pushground.

Those were my results that I wrote in my previous diary:

Propeller = 0.5-0.7% CTR (1-3 days user freshness)
Evadav = 0.15% CTR (1-3 days user freshness)
Pushground = 0.15% CTR (1-2 days user freshness)

Bid is the same 0.036 for all traffic sources (for Propeller I later increased the bid to 0.04 with no use.

Result:
Propeller: very low spent (3$ on some day) with initial promising results only at the beginning.
Evadav: High spent but -80% ROI, seems like still despite my poor ecpm (from poor CTR) they are sending me traffic but its shit shit traffic. I know you said good offers will convert on shit traffic but maybe this traffic is very - shit (said in Russian accent)?
Pushground: very low spent, similar to propeller but even lower CTR.

Initial good conversion but further poor performance can indicate about bad position in auction? Therefore bad CTR, or bad bid.

I am VERY NEW to SWEEPSTAKES so I have no ideas how to improve my CTR, I mean, my creatives are all the standard stuff affiliates are running (what I mentioned above).

I made some more tests.
Duplicated US-1 on propeller and tried to increase CTR by showing Playboy.com models on the creatives and saying "Hey sexy.. do you want to win my iPhone?? ��" - That increased creatives CTR but landing page CTR dropped and so did the CR

I have a theory about creatives. The more obviously scam it looks the more you are going to attract stupid people which is the people you want to attract to your sweeps campaigns anyway, let's leave that there.

Duplicated US-1 to Pushground and tried to change the category to dating to see if that will affect their traffic distribution anyhow, it didn't.

By the glorious suggestion of @caravaggio I removed half of my BL on Propeller for US-1 and restarted it again with about the same bid, it didn't have much effect on volume.

Ok.

Those were my overall playings with US-1:


Then I started US-2 consisting of the same @twinaxe Landing Page and two GalaxyS20 offers from Advidi with about the same payout as US-1. Well I went by the notion of "test-more" what the fuck does that even mean.

Btw I canceled TheOptimizer since I decided I will focus on manual work for now and model @twinaxe since you don't need to really cut by x payout on test stages anyway and I can not seem to take-off from test stage campaigns anyway at the moment so what the fuck

Ok. US-2 sucked too.
Started it on Prop with the bid of 0.036 and CTR was 0.3% (guess people don't give more fucks about S20 than they do about iPhone), spent was very low too, 6$/ day or so with a D. budget of 30$.
Copied US-2 on Evadav at the same bid (However only with 1 day user freshness and no BL), CTR was 0.7% at a daily spent of about 15$ (out of 30$ D.B.).

This is how US-2 looked:


Didn't take it to Pushground this time.

Those were the creatives I used for US-2:



I paused US-2 after about a day and a half after it blew money on Evadav and Prop spent about 6$ daily


Simultaneously I also went on to FR & ES iPhone leadgens. Those were FR-4 & ES-2.
Twinaxe's lander again, although for FR I split-tested with a Google looking survey I took from Adplexity's Pack (no logos)

FR-4:
I used offers from Advidi, Gotzha, Clickdealer & Big Bang Ads (P49), payouts of: 1.20$, 1.40$, 1.10$, 0.65€ (I wonder why Big Bang Ads/P49 has much lower payouts for their offers)
I chose the bid of 0.026 and used a BL from previous dating campaigns in FR.
The spent was very low on Prop:

(1st day was 6$)
I then cut my BL in about a half (again thanks to the suggestion of @caravaggio) but it didn't change much for volume.

I took it with the same bid to Evadav as well (1-3 user freshness) (no BL here though, I still only have an extensive BL mostly on Propeller since I ran most of my previous Adult Dating campaigns there), Evadav had better volume, CTR was shit, I tried improving the CTR midway the days below with more aggressive Amazon creatives but it didn't do much:


This is how FR-4 looked:


ES-2!:
I only ran this one on Propeller, but test budget is now over (calculating it with @twinaxe's formula) so I killed the campaign.
I used iPhone leadgen from Advidi, YepAds, Clickdealer, Bing Bang Ads. With the payouts of 0.95$ (Advidi), 0.70€(BBA), 1.44$(YepAds), 1.00$(Clickdealer).

I ran it on an BL specificly collected from adult dating ES, I set to bid of 0.021.
Total budget was 30$, daily budget was 10$ and the daily budget was spent easily. CTR was swinging between 0.6% to 0.8&
Those were the creatives that I used:


ES-2 Results:


Let me know if I missed anything to tell about the way I run my campaigns!

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Wow, that's the big intro post on follow along Good to see you started FA bro! Keep it up, fingers crossed!

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UPDATE:

Initially I was using Monetizer to collect revenue on my landing pages when running adult dating and was getting around 20$ daily revenue on average.

But I got lazy adding the monetizer codes (or I just told myself I will be profitable without monetizer) and as a result I had monetizer on only a small part of my landing pages, I had days when I was spending 200$ consistently with only 20$ revenue, in comparison to @caravaggio that said he was getting up to 90$ daily Monetizer revenue from spending about 100-200$.
So I am now in sweeps and I came back collecting Monetizer subscriptions for all landing pages at-least for the verticals of Dating & Sweeps (I don't know how push collections pop-ups will go for other verticals though).

I started adding the codes on all my landing pages on the 14/05, push subs have increased but the revenue hasn't picked up yet:



About knowing if I'm maximizing my Monetizerperformance or not:


Ok.

I started running ES-3 with GalaxyS20 offers. I started it on Evadav this time because I saw on Anstrex thats where most of the people were running their sweeps especially in Spain.
I took 3 offers from Gotzha & BBA, payouts of: 1.10$ (Gotzha), 0.65€, 0.65€ (Two GalaxyS 20 offers from BBA).
Twinaxe's lander once again (I got fiverr people to translate it to Italian, Spanish & French so far)
Bid 0.018 (1-3 user freshness)

T. Budget=30$ D. Budget=10$. No BL Yet on Evadav like I said.
CTR was very low including spent compared to how ES-2 performed on Propeller:


Those were the creatives I used (time for an eye test)


Time to test ES-3 on Propeller, pausing ES-3 on Evadav, will update.

Also I started testing iPhone leadgen in Italy! The payouts seemed much better and the bids there are pretty much like in Spain, that seemed like a nice combination.
Introducing: IT-5!
Twinaxe's lander again (but with an italian mustache!)
I took 4 offers: 2.00$ (YepAds), 1.60$ (Gotzha), 0.60€ (BBA), 1.50$ (Advidi)

I got a nice BL in Itay on Propeller from previous dating campaigns:


T. Budget = 30$, D. Budget = 10$ (@twinaxe formula: ~1.5$ x 4 offers x 1 lander x 5 with BL)
For BL I randomly cut half of the zones still listening to caravaggio's suggestion.

Spend was reaching daily budget quite easily, CTR about 1%:


Cut non converting high-spenders today:


Creatives situation:



Is there any potential in this Advidi offer? I don't know.

For now there's still 10$ left for Test Budget (i.e. supposed to be one more day) so let's see if we switch that offer to an IT-5: "optimization stage" campaign
Or will IT-5 be just another test campaign? See Tonight on Fox Special.

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From what I see, your average CTR on Monetizer is pretty low. It's could be reason of low earnings. It could be because of a few things:

- Some GEOs just work better than others. I actually see that you are running ES now so it could be better. For me ES has CTR almost 2%. But some exotic GEOs very often don't work as good because there's no enough good offers for them
- Traffic quality. When you send users only from HQ, obviously they will convert better than mixed audience. Some traffic sources also have better quality than others

To compare, my average CTR on Monetizer is 0.4% while yours is 0.15%. But it's still better to get at least some $$ than 0

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Thanks alot for sharing bro, last month those were my numbers for Monetizer




How does that compare to your numbers ??

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I like this FA already.

But I gotta ask...

Define moral

Unless it's super obvious scam, crypto isn't too immoral.

I honestly have no idea what binary is, but it can't much worse than promising someone the chance to win a roll of toilet paper during a pandemic.

I would be happy to run legit crypto if I could afford the legit testing. Last I checked, most payouts are $600 or so for FTD, so... 10x payout would be $6000 for simple testing, right?

Sweeps is cheaper, for sure

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As I heard, people invest in unregulated brokers in a manipulated market...

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The average person would simply do a google search, how do I buy crypto? -> coinbase, gemini, binance, whatever would pop up and they would buy there.

The person who falls for these crypto/binary get-rich-quick schemes are looking to get rich quick and should understand the risk...

But that's really on the offer owner. And the network.

And your conscience, I guess

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Hard to exactly say because I only see stats day by day on Monetizer but average earnings are ~$50 per day and average CTR I'd say 0.4%.

I also agree with jaybot. I can't see anything immoral in promoting binary/crypto.

If we'd check all verticals almost all most popular could be judged as immoral. Sweeps? Not sure if people really can win anything. Dating? These girls are not really writing to you as we used to say in creatives, etc etc.

Even when you go to grocery and lady sells you cigarettes or alcohol. Is it good for you? I don't think so but still she does it. Of course she have to do it if she wants to keep her job. But hey, (almost) every one of us can choose the job.

It's complicated topic but I guess it depends on how every of us sees it. People can justify a lot of things and a lot of jobs have some grey/shady areas.

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Hmm, you should be able to see a daily breakdown like I do

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Yep, I saw it but I preferred to just give average number to see the general comparison

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UPDATE:

Yesterday IT-5 spent its last 10$ for the test budget. 30$ spent in total for the campaign.

These are the results of IT-5, CTR on traffic source about 1-1.5%:




That Advidi offer didn't end up being a winner:




How IT-5 creatives are looking:




How IT-5 zones are looking after I excluded non converting high spenders on day#2 of the test (that was yesterday, if you don't know how to count):


Let's kill this campaign like I'm in the Italian mafia.

Like I promised, I transferred ES-3 (Spain Galaxy S20 leadgens) to Prop from Evadav after I had low volume on Evadav (for ES-3) but I remembered having a good volume for ES-2 on Propeller (Spain iPhone leadgens).

So I quickly duplicated with the same bid (0.018) and the same user freshness (1-3 days, i.e. "High" on Propeller).

Remember, ES-3 is still in Test stage, 30$ T. budget and 10$ D. budget, according to @twinaxe's formula.

Day #1 showed much better volume for ES-3 on Propeller (that's with BL applied vs. no BL on evadav, though I randomly cut the placements of the BL in half still listening to @caravaggio's suggestion):


Compared to Evadav which ran for 3 days:


I killed the top creative on ES-3, it was spending too much without a conversion, I noticed that on ES & IT those "missed call" type of creatives which I took as an idea after talking with @caravaggio, tend to have a nice CTR.


Nothing that I think I should touch in zones right now (remember, this is test stage, I am not cutting by x payout yet, I'm watching so that traffic will come as distributed as possible from many zones (thanks @twinaxe )


After having a look at a newsletter from an affiliate network, I noticed a CC submit iPhone offer for FR, Average CR% seemed nice (~2%) so I went ahead and requested for CC submit offers from my AM's at 3 more networks. As @caravaggio told me, he bids the same for CC submits as for SOI's. I will split those with aggressive (with logos) landers and without.

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UPDATE:

The last couple of days I've been "Missing In Action" (Since 20th of May, good to have this FA to be my Push Calendar for my stupid brain) making some Facebook ads learning & YouTube Ads learning (running an Agency for some guy in Germany now ).

So I haven't launched new campaigns, but let's get to the update on my current running campaigns and what I am launching right now.
@jaybot you're my legend.

So pretty much in the last update I already had only one campaign running which was ES-3 that I transferred from Evadav to Propeller because I remembered that I had a better volume on Propeller in Spain for Sweepstakes.

So the 3 days have passed and my pre-defined test budget spent entirely and nicely through those 3 days and the campaign was paused automatically due to it hitting my budget limits (which is good automation!)

This is a daily breakdown of day #2 and day #3 of the campaign:



Did I do too bad of a job on excluding the high spenders? I may or may not, @twinaxe my guru can give me a grade.


How my creatives are looking at the end of the test, ES-3:


Do any of these offers have a chance in this test? Based on the numbers on my zones, creatives and here?
Probably not. Maybe my gurus can suggest.

Should I touch these specific offers ever again?

Comparing Evadav to Propeller performance for ES-3:

Evadav on Platform (remember I paused Evadav after seeing low spent):

Propeller on Platform:

Killing ES-3.

Introducing FR-5! FR-5 is a CC submit Iphone 11 campaign in France.

Like I said in my previous post

Besides grabbing an offer from there, I also got my CC Iphone offers from my AMs in 3 other networks, 2 of those networks also agreed that I can split test with an aggressive angle, 1 said "PLEASE NO!". I also got from my AMs some more CC Iphone offers to other GEO's: ES, IT, US, JP - that might be for the near future.

I also took twinaxe's lander and made an adjustment to it and added some Amazon logos and copied the Amazon color scheme 1 by 1.

If you recall on FR-4, I had better volume on Evadav compared to Propeller, although on Propeller my CTR was much better, also on Propeller I had a blacklist while on Evadav I don't have yet

So I took Evadav as my platform for FR-5. I'm split testing two FR-5 "campaigns" on Evadav, I chose 5 IPhone CC offers which I'm going to test (all around 28$ payout), and two landers - Twinaxe's GiftBox vs. Spied GiftBox (which has a little bit more steps and its like a quiz lander proceeding to a GiftBox, the ones who are running sweeps will understand). These two landers are split tested to be aggressive vs non aggressive to each campaign.

Obviously based on Twinaxe's formula for Budget allocation (Avg. Payout * # Offers * # Landers * 10 or 5 if you have a BL) my budget would be too big here - 2,800$, So I just took the budget of 280$ which is about 1x.

I divided 280$ by 2 for each angle (separate campaigns) which is 140$ (T. budget for each angle/camp), then divided it again by 3 to decide on my daily budget for the Testing stage, that would be about 47$ daily budget for each angle/camp (about 93$ D. Budget for both).

I am running on 1 day user freshness so I'm not expecting too crazy of volume (lets see for surprises), I've set my bid to 0.3$.

No BL.

I took one icon for each angle (you guessed it - normal new message icon vs amazon new message icon) and split tested each icon with 5 different ad copies (the more aggressive ad copy has "Amazon" in it).

I just started FR-5 so I'm waiting for data now. Let's see what I shall do next. Suggestions?

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Oh shit. Not again.

Maps have legends to show you how to recognize useful stuff. I hope I'm a legend on how to lose a lot of money. Don't follow any of my advice.

As for running aggressive and asking your AM, I lol'ed at your CD AM response.

What's your main traffic source? If it's Propeller, aggressive won't get you very far. ZP is usually no problem (unless it is Amazon or Netflix). The rest don't give a shit, but spy tools will find it soon, and the advertiser will find it eventually. So yeah, do what you can, but be prepared to call it off for anything legit.

However, most advertisers running CC submits don't give a flying fuck and you can pretty much get away with whatever you want. CC submits are no less shady than the crypto you're trying to get away from

I cannot comment on IT or ES because fuck those geos. I always have really bad luck whenever I run either one. Not worth it for me. To be fair, I've had SOI and CC submits work in both geos. But I always get domain flags super quickly when I run there.

On the other hand, if you can crack FR CC subs, you will be set for life.

I had some FR working on pops for awhile (not sure why I gave up on them). Fucking $40 payouts are nice. Except when they don't convert. Then they're depressing (oh, that's why)

Which traffic source are you using again? Pushground?

Either way, it will be fun to see your results.

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I am using multiple push sources, like Propeller, Evadav, Pushground, and so on. Like I said I am using Evadav for FR-5 as I got slightly better volume there than on Propeller for my sweeps creatives, but well their CTR is worse, so I may be getting simply more shitty volume, but I don't know.

Good, some of the AM's I asked said its fine so if its a big network hopefully it should be fine?

Fucking 40$? How come I only found 28$ payouts?

Update soon.

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It is a 1 user freshness volume though, so atleast its "new" shitty traffic

Notice I had better volume on Propeller than on Evadav for Spain Sweep Creatives though Just a note.

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Holy crap man, I somehow missed this thread.

Make sure to put the translations in the JS file and NOT the index.html

With such low numbers it´s hard to make definite decisins because every new conversion can turn the tables.

So instead of asking if the Advidi offer has potential I would rather take out the BB offer and run some more budget with the remaining offers on the best creative.

Crypto indeed is very, very immoral and I can understand 100% when people don´t want to run it.

Ok, now I see that you stopped the Italian Job.

This is really the disadvantage of not following the threads closely enough, you just lose the overview

What agency are you running?

Just curious

Yup, Propeller has pretty good volume for ES and prices are also ok.

Hard to tell withtout knowing what zones you excluded

From the screens for the ES campaign it seems like they are all active.

What you could do is to run a separate test with this creative



It could work but probably won´t get enough traffic when it has to compete against the creatives with higher CTR.

Btw, good creative choice.
From where do you have the idea for it

Again, separate the "good" creative and run some traffic to that creative with the two offers with 4 conversions.

Sorry when the post looks a bit messed up or so, just tried to give my 2 cents to everything basically from the first post here

Will do my best to follow the thread no better.

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Great to see your answers @twinaxe! The beast has awaken!

I did Quite unique this lander and I believe that I haven't seen something like this in AM yet (where the text is in the JS) what benefits does it have? Speed?

That's IT-5, Good Idea, when I look at it again it does seem like quite low numbers to decide but it did exceed the test budget initially so that's why I paused this :P I got too much bad experience with keeping bad push campaigns alive. But how do I overcome that bad experience without being a dummy?

As for the best creative, my "best" creative for that camp is 3$ CPA, when the average payout is about 1.5$. So should I rephrase what you said to running with "least worst creative"? And would you suggest on just this one creative in a new campaign or make more variations of it?

Maybe an agency was abit of an over-statement but I'm managing the ads and funnels for a beatstars producer, currently I'm focused on FB and YouTube, might use influencers in the near future as well, if you got good places to suggest on picking up organized knowledge (like Amy's tutorials ) about YouTube ads, I would accept it with both arms

I didn't exclude anything! That's exactly why I'm asking they all seem pretty much almost all normal to me (not too high spending)



I could try, that's ES-3 just for my reference.

From you

That's also ES-3, I sure can but... are you sure when both offers have almost -60% ROI? Again, ES-3 has finished the test budget.

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Ps.

Reading your answers from the other thread - Would running IT-5 and ES-3 again mean it would be considered to be Optimization campaign or Test Campaign? @twinaxe

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Not yet, that usually only happens on fullmoon but then with full force and you better run from Mr Hyde

With more experience, so much that it surpasses the "bad" status

But really, in the beginning or when we start something new then mostly we first collect bad experience.

That´s just normal and mostly we can´t avoid it completely anyway so important is to try to keep the damage as low as possible and to learn from it.

The more things you know that you shouldn´t do the better you become in what you do.

And then one day you are only "experienced" and not "bad experienced"

But you test different creatives with different offers.

I checked your screens again, you test 5 creatives where 2 of them have 0 conversions, 2 of them have 1 conversion and one of them has 5 conversions.
Then you test 4 offers where 1 offer has 0 conversions, 2 offers have 2 conversions and 1 offer has 3 conversions.

In that situation I would continue with only the creative with 5 conversions and also stop the offer with 0 conversions.

That way you have the best creative and 3 offers that are more or less equal (although it´s still low stats).

But give this combination few more dollars and check how it performs, if you maybe find a profitable combo there already.

Nice, I always enjoy to hear stories that are a bit different from what we usually hear.

Unluckily it´s not my area so I can´t help out there with anything.

I would exclude these ones until the test stage is finished and see if you still receive enough traffic



Yes, these are still rather low amounts but you see at the top zone how placements can perform so I would just pause them for the moment and should you find a good combinationa nd the campaign is worth to continue with it you can still test them.

And btw, I absolutely hate it to be called a guru.
Being seen as an affiliate marketing guru is no compliment for me, it´s rather an insult

So both offers have -60% ROI in campaign ES-3.

What about placements?
Any big spenders there?



Did you already tested that creative with these two offers only in a new campaign?

Rather testing because there you tested several "completely" different creatives against each other.

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Bro you got it confused... I explained this in the beginning!

ES-3

XX = GEO
# = Number of campaigns in that GEO. To sharpen up the definition even further: A campaign here I define as a selection of offers, landers and creatives. If I optimize the offers/landers or creatives it is still the same # as well if I duplicate that campaign in the same traffic source or to other traffic sources, call it an initiative if you will So # is the number of initiatives I do in a GEO. ES-3 is initiative number 3 in Spain

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Oh dear, it´s really bad when you miss the start of the party and just jump in when it´s running already.

Then it can happen that I oversee such details.

Sorry for that, will be more cautious now...
And read my replay together with the connected text again...

Ok, apart from a little hickup it seems that my reply still makes more or less sense.

Let me know if you still can follow my effusions or if I better shall re-work the reply with the confused XX-123 stuff.

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Haha

It doesn't make too much sense to me, better to change it to not confuse others as well

For example, ES-3 has the spenders you highlighted that you would exclude just a few lines above, since ES-3 is a campaign It says ES-3 there right on the text too, sorry to get you confused

That's alot of


EDIT: I did launch new campaigns I will update tomorrow

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Alright, will do an extra shift for you...

I changed it a bit now.

Yes, yes and yes...

Saw it now myself the small and easy to miss "ES-3" in the campaign name

Nonetheless it´s still the same creative with $1.27 CPA and these are still the same 2 offers with 4 conversions and one offer with 0 conversions.

No matter if ES-3 is the creative or campaign, I would probably do it the same as I wrote above (when I don´t confuse it completely now )

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That's much better, thanks alot man

Yep those placements above that you showed you would exclude those were the placements for ES-3, I relaunched both IT-5 & ES-3, updates soon as well as for the CC submits!

Sorry bro

I would love if you could clarify on that a bit!

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UPDATE:

So as I said in my previous update I started FR-5 (CC Sub Sweeps in FR!), and I also went ahead and restarted IT-5 & ES-3 as @twinaxe suggested with abit less non-succeeding variables like a couple of creatives and 1 offer less for each campaign.

Let's start with FR-5!

I started FR-5 on the 24th of May on Evadav, and as I thought (experience from previous Sweep campaigns on Evadav) I had received quite low CTR on Evadav, but still spending was decent.
Actually, I am noticing I had quite alot of campaigns with Evadav with low CTR even for dating (compared to propeller), and even though I used relatively "new" user freshness for most of them.

Those were the numbers I was getting for FR-5 on Evadav:





Note that I didn't have any creative that was getting any extraordinary volume or CTR compared to the others, they were all getting pretty much the same CTR/Volume, for both campaigns, aggressive, non aggressive.

Those were the creatives texts I used for the regular angle:

(1) Nouveau message (Down Arrow)
Cliquez ici pour gagner un iphone 11! (GiftBox Emoji)


(1) Félicitations! (Celebrate emoji)
Dieu, tu as de la chance aujourd'hui. (Right Arrow)


(1) Vous avez été sélectionné!
Cliquez ici pour gagner un iphone 11! (Right arrow)


(1) Nouveau message (Celebrate emoji)
Samsung S20+ pour €1! Cliquez ici (Right arrow)


(1) Nouveau Message (GiftBox emoji)
Cliquez ici pour recevoir votre cadeau (! - as an emoji)

For all the creatives I used the same message icon with a "1" inside a red circle

For the Aggressive angle I used the same texts but added Amazon here and there as well as an Amazon icon with a "1" inside a red circle

Note that I did not use a big image on the creatives.



After day 2 on Evadav, I looked into the stats and noticed volume wasn't spending to the limits I set up to it (47$ daily for 3 days for each/angle camp), though which I was expecting because I am running on 1 day user freshness.
I also checked my tracker settings and noticed that my redirect rules were working harder than slaves, I set them up to redirect anything that is not from FR and not from Mobile toa Monetizer smartlink (my "fallback" link), about 20% of my traffic was getting redirected to my fallback link because 20% of the traffic was tablet devices (Evadav does not allow targeting mobile phones only and excluding tablets), I asked my AMs how's the CR on tablets for these CC submit sweeps and one AM answered that they are not as good as phones, and desktops are better than phones in CR, but desktop might be costlier.

So Yesterday (which was day 3 of the test on Evadav) I decided to switch my test (FR-5) to Pushground as it also seemed that my initially allocated budget (280$ for 4/5 28$ offers, most of them are actually from the same advertiser, but more on that later) wasn't really enough and I needed to test more, also Pushground allows excluding tablets, and I have an "almost" decent BL there from a slightly older ES dating campaign.

I used pretty much the same creatives for Pushg as for Evadav, as well as the same bid (0.03) and selected 0-2 days user freshness. (let's just call them that now, Pushg, too long to type Pushground everymotherfucking time )

I have pre-determined myself around the same budget I allocated for Evadav to be roughly tested on Pushg 280$, let's see if I'll increase it or decrease it (note that on Evadav it didn't spend the whole budget though)

Note that I separate most of my Blacklists between Mobile and Desktop (like @twinaxe said) and since most of my working campaigns so far were on Mobile I pretty much only have Blacklists on Mobile and therefore I usually also prefer to continue running mobile.

As I started the camps on Pushg I seemed to have an initial traffic quality boost and I got about 2 conversions right away after 3$ spent (56$ Revenue), then the traffic continued flowing and I haven't gotten new conversions since.

This is how FR-5 is looking so far:


Based on the average CR I saw on the newsletter when picking offers and from other screenshots my AM shared with me about CR of CC subs which was about 2% in average it seems like I can get it to be profitable if I can get it to that CR

How Landers are looking:

Evadav - Aggr


Evadav - NonAggr


Pushg - Aggr


Pushg - NonAggr


To categorize offers and still maintain privacy (sorry guys), I will hide them and categorize in this way:
# means an offer from one affiliate network.
-A means it is an amazon looking lander on the offer, without -A means it is some other looking lander.

1-A ; An Amazon looking lander, different advertiser than the rest, Affiliate Network #1
2-A ; An Amazon looking lander, Affiliate Network #2
3-A ; An Amazon looking lander, Affiliate Network #3
3 ; same offer as above but different lander, Affiliate Network #3
4 ; Affiliate Network #3

Note that 2-A, 3-A, 3, 4, are offers from the same advertiser (though on different affiliate networks), for the same product of course (iPhone 11), 3-A & 3 is the same offer from a network but different lander so to speak, 1-A is a different advertiser from the rest (or so it says but the lander looks the same )

How offers are looking:

Evadav - Aggr


Evadav - NonAggr


Pushg - Aggr


Pushg - NonAggr


Offers Collectively:


Now waiting to collect more data on FR-5 from Pushground

EDIT (from the end of the day): That's how day1 and day2 looked on Pushground, notice the relatively high win-rate that is shown (~55%), yet still my daily budget of 47$ per each angle/camp is not being spent, CTR is slightly higher than Evadav (again, no particular creative with better CTR or volume):



At the same time yesterday I also restarted IT-5 & ES-3 as @twinaxe suggested me, I actually created a new campaign for them.
I took for both the same test budget as initially again (30$ and 10$ daily).
Both extended test campaigns, on their 1st day (which was yesterday!), spent their 10$ daily budget nicely.

IT-5 (iPhone 11 leadgen):
As @twinaxe suggested:

And that's what I did (almost entirely!) I restarted the campaign with a new tracking link (that's how I'm used to... new campaign on TS = new campaign on tracker, let me know how to do it better ) removed the offer with the 0 conversions, took the best two creatives and made a small variation - probably was better to just take the creative with the most conversions but I'm stupid:



(I killed the other creatives today, should I make variations now? I probably should, I will make variations to the text, same icons, will it mess shit up if I make those new creatives under the same creative ID? @twinaxe kill my paranoia please!)

That's how the offers are looking, notice how much less tablet traffic is being sent compared to the FR-5 campaign (on Evadav) by seeing the amount of traffic to the mismatch offer - the Monetizer smartlink:


Overall IT-5 yesterday:


Not touching zones yet

ES-3! (GalaxyS20 leadgen) HOllaaa AMIGOOOO!! CHICITA BONO SENIORO P*TA ICHO DE P*TA P*TA P*TA

Jokes aside, again how @twinaxe suggested -
And even though they did have around -60% ROI in the test campaign
And made sure I excluded the high spenders from the restarted campaign as well:
So again, in the original test campaign, that other creative seemed to be converting but had lower CTR & volume:


So I took it to a new campaign but made variations of it, I managed to beat the old one with another one variation haha, it might be not good, maybe you guys can suggest:


Performance on offers so far:


Yesterday (which was the 1st day of the *extended test, dummy!):


Ok, waiting for data now

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Holy shit man, what´s that for a long post

Give me a week to work through it.

I would say continue with the aggressive one.

Creatives look good or me.

Yup, desktop can convert better for such offers (and for higher payout pffers in general).

Just imagine you are visiting friends or out and about in a cafe or bar or so.

How big are the chances that you would grab your credit card then to get a Samsung S20 for only €1?

When you target desktop users (which are desktop and laptop as well) you can be rather confident that these users are at home and where they are more likely to get the credit card out and pay for such stuff.

From my experience desktop traffic is not necessarily more expensive but mostly there is lower volume available compared to mobile.

How much of the budget did you spend on Evadav?
$70?

For 5 offers with $28 payout this is too less to make a real decision.

Congrats to the early conversions, that should help to keep motivation up.

It´s also a good sign that show that your stuff seems to be working.

A networks average CR is good and fine but it´s nthing we should take too serious.

In the end you don´t know what traffic other affiliates are sending to the offer.

When the highest volumes come from FB then the average CR is probably higher than from push.
When most volume comes from pops then the average CR is probably lower than from push.

Seems all 3 conversions came from aggressive and from 1 LP.

So that´s how I would continue, with that one aggressive lander and also aggressive creatives.

Let all 5 offers run for a bit more budget to see how it goes.

Conversions are too low to make a real decision for offers, each new conversion can turn the tables.

But when you see that for example the offer with 2 conversions receives more conversions and the others not just continue with that one because it seems it´s the better offer then.

I probably would just use the creative that converted already.
A new change there could result in a new unknown variable.

But as it seems one of the creatives works pretty good so it´s all fine

How many landers do you run in that campaign?

If only one then it looks pretty good, use the one good creative and test it with the different offers.

and

But performance on offers is for all creatives.

Use the "good" creative now for a bit more budget to test the offers.

Eagerly waiting for a new update, you are doing a great job with your campaigns and follow alongs and I can really feel the fire and hunger to succeed

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Try 68772 on CD.

$32 now, but I swear it was more at some point

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UPDATE:

But first, I'll answer to your awesome responses

Yessir, exactly I spent 70$ even though my test budget was defined as 280$, I switched from Evadav to Pusghground because I didn't like the fact that 20% of my traffic was getting redirect due to it being tablet traffic (and I've set-up my tracker rules to only allow smartphones and traffic from that GEO, i.e. France)

It was nice but too bad I didn't receive new conversions since for the course of the 3 days test on Pushg

And that's what I did

Do notice that 4 of these 5 offers are actually from the same advertiser though different affiliate networks.

Yes, update on this IT-5 scumbag below!

Sorry you got interrupted there what did you wanted to say?
By beating I meant I beat it in terms of CTR initially, but CTR doesn't indicate CR/profit so I might have just "blocked" that creative from getting the fruits of the traffic source?

You will smell it up to Germany. It smell like Bacon brother

Thanks for sharing man @jaybot!

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So like I said:
UPDATE:

The 3 days test of Pushg is now over and its time for some action again.

That's how the 3 days looked like (obviously today also got fit in):



Overall on Pushground:


FR-5 Pushg & Evadav so far:


Btw, I also had an automatic rule running (Setup from Pushground's Interface) to disable any Site ID's that exceeded 2.5$ spent and had 0 conversions, this is to keep away from high spenders, the rule disabled about 3 site ID's for each camp/angle throughout the test.

So what I did just now:
I paused the non-aggressive angle and duplicated the aggressive one with only the CC Sub Amazon lander I spied upon (excluded Twinaxe's lander - although writing from the future, I didn't give twinaxe's lander on the aggressive variation a proper test, since I forgot to include the sponsor & product on the lander), I made very slight changes in some of the creatives' text, and raised the bid to 0.04 to receive more traffic (I paused the 0.03 camps - but writing from the future I forgot to pause them, lol), let me know if I'm too conservative with my bid.

For the test budget I set it to "extended" (i.e. I don't know test budget to use and I gave it a cool name), I created a new tracking link for this camp, as I'm writing this I got 2 early conversions after only 7$ spent into the restarted campaign.

Well, that's it for now for FR-5, anyone got any interesting suggestions on how can I develop this?

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Now, IT-5 & ES-3:

IT-5:

Spent its 10$ daily budget for 3 days almost nicely and I'm quite proud of that:





I did a bad job excluding placements (I mean I just forgot because I was busy) But that's how I just excluded them just now:



Creatives (after I excluded those other ones early in the test):


Reminder I'm only running on 1 lander, which is @twinaxe's lander

How the offers are looking:
Old test camp:

Extended test camp:

Safe to say that I'm beating a dead horse?

ES-3:

Did a much worse job spending its 10$ daily budget for 3 days and I'm less proud of that, "bad boy!":




Again, I forgot about the placements and didn't touch them, the excluded placements are the slightly "high spenders" from the previous test campaign which I excluded after I started this campaign:


And... Offers.

It all started with low volume camp on Evadav:


Then switched to Prop:


Then the extended test stage camp on Prop:


So overall we're looking like this:


What actions could I take now with this data?

Update about monetizer:
Well, I am running monetizer on all of my landing pages right now, but I've seen more revenue from them in the past:





I don't spend that much though right now, so it might be it - here's my total spend since I switched to this tracker account and on the 14th of May I already made all of my landing pages to be running monetizer push sub & BB smartlink:

(And the cost on some other trackers wasn't that significant and besides that on my landing pages on other trackers not all of them has Monetizer)

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Treat them as separate offers nonetheless.

It can happen that the same offer performs very different in different networks.

Oh yeah, the smell of good ol´ roiter bacin in my nose and the weekend can start

Sounds good so far, now collect some starts and hopefully grab some conversions along the way.

At this point volume and conversions are too low to spend more time on it.

You would need a massive boost to make it worth it.

Same as above, I would move on.

It´s not worth to spend time and money to cut more placements = reduce volume just to get from 15 conversions a day in loss to 20 conversions a day at break even.

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Push October:



Monetizer revenue (443$) makes up 25% of my net profits.

Remember, when in data overwhelm:
One variable at a time kids.
(but this has also slowed me down a good bit too)

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wooo, that's nice. congrats

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@twinaxe do you journal your campaigns or what are the mechanics of your journaling/documenting/reports/ideas system? Everyone probably have their system but how do the pros do it?

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@roiter123

No, I don´t run a journal anymore.

But I did it in the past with just an excel spreadsheet.

I created one file for each trafficsource.

In the first column I had status, red means campaign is stopped, green means it´s running.
The second column was for the campaign name.
After that each column was a date when I made changes to any of the campaigns.

Each line was a campaign.

When I made changes then to any campaign I just added a new column before the newest date and made notes of the changes that I made.

I uploaded an example file HERE so that you can check a bit better how I did it.

Let me know if it helps or if you have any more questions about it

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I'm not twinaxe. But, you knew that.

I use paper and pen and I spend time mostly doodling.

Like a lot of things in life, I have no idea how or why it works.

Perhaps, just the act of journaling is more useful than having an actual journal full of shit to look at later.

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Yes, just writing it down can already help to keep stuff better in mind.

Reading it loud while writing it down can help even more

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My Push November:


Monetizer earnings were: 679$ (which makes up 20% of my Profits, or 7% of my Revenue, or 10% of my Spend).
I'm running mostly 1-3 user freshness campaigns, mobile & desktop, multiple GEOs. This is all CC Submit Sweeps btw.

Surprisingly Black Friday didn't do any wonders for me, but CM was nice. How was your Black Friday guys? What's your experience from past years about BF?

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Thanks for the update, looks nice.

I personally don´t take care of if that much.

Mostly because I am too lazy or simply forget about it

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@roiter123

HI, what a great results! Very nice FA, thanks!

What actually is the Monetizer?

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@reunerpertne

Monetizer is a CPA network that also has good options to make additional profits from Push subscriptions.

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@reunerpertne For more information please see:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ampampamp-push


@roiter123: Congratulations on the new high on monthly revenue! @twinaxe really knows his stuff - you're in great hands.



Amy

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My Push December (incl. Monetizer):


And a glimpse of January:


My next goal: achieving 300$/day from Internet Marketing by 01/02/21.

Currently I'm running about 5-7 GEOs all with cc sweeps (mob & desk) some of them quite on low volume because their performance sucks quite much but they still sending abit of traffic just incase their performance improves then I'm there to catch the potential profits, and Overall Push volumes are quite low too, I'm mostly running high freshness campaigns because I wasn't able to get lower freshness working on my cc submit sweeps, anyone with a different experience?
I don't know whether I should expand my sweeps campaigns to even more GEOs or work on getting the current ones working better with Sweeps CC Sub (because I'm not very experienced with other verticals), it seems like some of those GEOs just get globally decreased in their Sweeps CC sub performance for a while (and then maybe - increase back up in performance again). Most of my creatives are aggressive btw, from tests that I did on one GEO I didn't get clean ones to work.

Seems like Monetizer earnings suck for the traffic amounts I'm sending (628$ in December), might very well be worth testing ProPush.me instead.
Plus, is it just me or Monetizer's domains are always blacklisted and they don't even bother replacing them?

I probably owe @twinaxe a big chunck of the profits because he helped alot

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Looks good my friend

Do you run low activity on BL or WL?

I only get low activity working on WL.

First I run High activity on BL, then High and Medium on BL and when I have good placements I test them on low activity on WL.

In my opinion there is no general approach that works same for all geos.

Fact is, some geos just have better SOI sweeps and other geos have better CC submit sweeps.

For example FR has good CC submits with very good payouts.

FR also has SOI sweeps but payouts are so low that it can be very hard to compete there with other affiliates who run CC submits on the same traffic, same vertical, same targeting, running basically the same creatives and same landing pages when the other affiliates have much higher payouts and can bid much higher.

Then gimme my chunk

Seriously, you don´t owe me anything.

I just try to accompany our great users as good as possible on their way and if I can help a bit I do it

Nontheless all credit for success belong to each user themself

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Enlightment: Optimization to the optimization!

Explained: I need to optimize my way of optimizing my campaigns... For it to be more efficient and move the most important levers.

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Mostly couldn't get CC sub working even on medium activity too. CPC became so high/LP CTR became so low that it's very hard to make it profitable and if you lower down bids enough you're left with no volume **But I didn't try too hard

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Sure, high activity or fresh userage is the best and I am also not that CC submit guy myself but on lower payouts medium traffic can also work good in BL campaigns.

That being said I also don´t run medium activity alone, I always run high + medium then.

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Emotional honesty post:

Push became quite boring for me, I find myself having 100 or so campaigns to optimize with small profits just to make 50-150$/days, lose money, or break-even.
I'm having hard time concentrating and my mind is off wondering about other things real quick. In practice I optimize like 5 campaigns per day lately Need to boost that dopamine.

I'm looking to make a transition into Native, but I can't just be a quitter! I need to be making atleast 300$/day from Push and Push alone, let along study more abit about the variables. Make things more efficient, really make it 80/20.

Once I'm in the 300$/day zone, I can start optimizing Push for time more and more, and turning towards native - more and more.

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Yeah, I can't deal with 100 or so campaigns either, so don't worry you are not alone.

I just cut any offer/campaign that has less than $X profit / day potential - right now that is like $20.

Not for everyone of course, but I like to think deeply about a few campaigns than a little about a lot.

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Have you tried theOptimizer?



Amy

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I guess I should update my Push results

Jan:


Revenue excluding Push subs & misc: 15,554$

Feb:


Revenue excluding Push subs & misc: 11,024$

March:


Revenue excluding Push subs & misc: 12,981$

Low volume on Push fuck. I'm still a beast though. Time to make native profitable.

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Which tracker do you use?

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My bad I miscalculated the costs for February, they were lower in reality, just updated Actual traffic losses seem to be at the 5-7% area, I use Bemob.

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Looking good roiter, the green color is pleasing to the eye, great job!

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I have no idea what I am looking at.

I like big numbers though.

And you’re not red in the tracker. So you’re already way ahead of me.

So what’s the take home with push subs? Can you buy a yacht now?

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