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Insane 🤑😱 FR dating on Juicyads, can i become adult dog? 😲 (39)

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Warning! You may see nude pics here.

Hi all, this is my first follow along, I will go straight to it to keep it simple, if there are stuff I left out, do let me know!

Any feedback will be welcome.

Source: Juicyads (RON blacklist mode)
Cost model: CPC
Device: Mob
Banner size: 300x100
Geo: FR (estimated volume for 300x100 is estimated 11,242,127)
Bid price: 0.011 CPC
Daily budget: $22
11 Banners:


4 Landings:




3 offers: (Payout $1.60, $2.10, $2.75)

Other Settings:

Sextechnology: Enabled
Auto-blocking: Disabled
Source Soothing: 200 clicks
Alexa Ranking: Doesn’t matter

Do you think if this campaign has chance to work? I am about to submit it for approval now.

Let me know if you need me to translate some of the text. I do not understand french myself, but i could google translate for you if required.

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Is this the first campaign you're running?

Tbh RON traffic is tough for beginners as it's tough to optimize if you're not experienced and know what to look for.

Banners and landers look fine.

I think with such a low daily budget though RON traffic is not ideal since you'll need to spend a lot of money to get data.

If you run RON you'll literally get traffic from hundreds (thousands?) of spots, and it will be tough to decipher the data since none of it will be statistically significant.

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Thanks jabong. For adult, I have tested on TJ before not but on this geo, and the cost was quite high. For the test that i did, CPM was about 0.05 to 0.1+, and payout of $1.5, I could only breakeven with that. For FR, i checked that the CPM was about 0.12 and there was seems to be a big player there. And with my payouts on FR, i have made some small test there and calculated that it might be difficult to make it work. The bidding system there seems to be not ready yet as well, and which means i couldn't see the bids by the other competitors. So I decided to find new sources ,if whether i could find some smaller websites with less competition that could work. What would be the budget that you think could work for this? But since these sites are less well-known would the lead quality be worse than from PH for example? Should i instead pick one source from Juicyads and test it, as im not too sure what criteria to look out for to select the spot here.

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The banners and LPs are standard stuff... some can work, the test will show you. A lot will depend on the offers too.

I agree with jabong though, RON isn't the best to start with.

I didnt use juicyads for a while, but there used to be an option to buy from specific sites, is it still available? That might be a better option for now.

When I was starting out, I was doing this on juicy... finding the small but quality websites and creating campaigns for each of them, I had several stable campaigns there, each making a couple $ daily.

Most will be worse, plenty of them will be just bots, but there are always some hidden gems on netwoks like juicy... if you can find them, you can profit.

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Yes matuloo, the direct buy option is still available. In fact, i have tried the direct buy and it was quite limiting for testing as i could only test one creative at a time. But how did you determine that a website was quality before buying it? Was it the alexa rank? Any idea how can i find hidden gems without RON since it is not recommended? I also haven't really heard of many people using juicy recently, do you know the reason why?

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For short phrases on banners G translate is ok, for longer text on LPs better get a professional translation.

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Landers look good. I reckon we can offer you a better pay out.

PM.

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For what offer?

Your pick up guide?

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Yep. We'll offer you 75% comm.

New landers will be ready this weekend.

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Come on, this is no help at all for the threadstarter.

As he posted this is his first follow along and he is running SOI dating offers in FR.

Do you really think that a higher payout pick up guide will help him more to learn how to run such campaigns and can help him to save money along the way while he is learning?

Is your offer available in French as well?

Because as we can see he wants to run in FR.

Can you provide proper tracking and postback for your offer so that it´s easy for evohatch to track and optimize his campaign so that he doesn´t lose money on guesswork?

Let me quote myself from THIS post.

I don´t want to sound like a dickhead but this is exactly what you are doing with your post.

You recommend the user something that won´t help him at all and probably would result in higher losses than what he is doing now.

Not cool...

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I don't see it that way, get your point, but it was just an offer for him to accept or reject.

To again quote yourself, 'what I don't get' is why you're jumping on it.

Not cool...

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Ok, let me explain a bit more.

Evohatch is running dating SOI offers in FR.

His offer payouts are $1.60, $2.10, $2.75.

You say you can offer him a better payout but your offer is neither dating, nor SOI and from what I see also not available in French.

So why do you think would help Evohatch with a higher payout when your proposal is not even comparable to what he is running?

It´s a different vertical, different (and more complicated) flow, different language.

The higher payout would only help when you can offer him something that he is running anyway so that he could split test it with your offer.

It´s basically the same as telling him to run male enhancement in DE, Testo Boost Nutra in IT or whatever random stuff just because it has a higher payout.

You even say

Yes they look good and now what?

Will these landers that he´s using for FR dating SOI offers work for your offer as well?

I don´t think so, and this is what I mean with promoting the biz as hard as possible.

I won´t even say that your offer is bad, maybe it´s a fantastic offer.
But nonetheless your proposal here doesn´t make any sense because again, it has nothing to do with what Evohatch is running.

About offer language and tracking it´s the same principle as the higher payout, to help him you should be able to offer him at least the same requirements that he has now.

Unluckily you didn´t answer the questions so it would be great when you could answer these questions as well

Because when your offer is not in French and you can´t provide proper tracking then it´s also not helpful, especially when it´s a CPS offer it can be too expensive for Evohatch when he would run it without proper language and tracking.

You don´t get that I am jumping on what?

Probably you missed the sentence after the quoted text in the original post so let me clarify it.

You are posting in several threads where the last posts were from 2014, 2015 or even older.
I already deleted 2 of your posts where you replied to threads where the last post was from 2013 and 2014.

Then you posted in a thread from 2014 again and Matuloo asked you what´s the point in bumping it.

As a reply to Matuloos post I wrote the text from the quote, and now let me show you something:

This is the quote from the other thread again but with the following sentence as well.

As you can see, there I said explicitly that the last points where not specifically towards you so at that point I wasn´t even talking about you when I mentioned these things.

Few days fast forward and we are here.

Can you understand my reaction now a bit better?

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Yep. And that's where I left it.

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Since I was running adult sites myself at that time, I could tell when a site was looking legit. What I did was trying to find out where they get traffic from, what sites were linking to them... alexa was helping too. I was aiming for sites that had a natural GEO breakdown, so most EN geos... when I saw a lot of visits from turkey, india atc, I knew it was cheap bought clicks that they used to either start trades or fool the counters. Most bot sites used very simple layouts and the same setup was cloned to create a lot of lookalikes. Domain name can tell a lot too...

Their platform was quite hard to use and the volumes they had were always lower than I could get elsewhere... exoclick was able to outbid them in a lot of cases and secure the spots for themselves. I think thats the reason why they are not that popular anymore.

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I know that old threads on this site say that Juicy Ads is a "low competition" site, but the fact is most "desirable" spot buys are likely already taken.

For example I'd be surprised if you could find a decent spot that had a majority French traffic and wasn't already bought up for months.

Most likely you'd have a spot that had French traffic and a lot of other geos you'd have to set up separate funnels for, and who knows if you could make money dealing with all those other geos at the same time.

Then of course there is the quality issue which is hit or miss there.

I think a better route if you want to stay on Juicy ads is to start a whitelist campaign and go down their list of larger sites and just target maybe 10-20 spots you think may have potential and then go from there to see if there are any winners.

That would definitely be a better choice than starting a RON campaign.

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Thanks all for the feedback!

Rugster im plan to focus this before moving on as twinaxe suggested.

So I sorted the sites with highest volume of FR to see if i could find some to whitelist. And this is one of the top few that are available.




Really low! The volume is too low on each individual placements only, less than a 100 clicks a day for FR for this spot and it one of the top ones.

What i forgot to think about previously, was that out of the 11m impressions, only about 11k will be the clicks itself and so when split out between all the sites, its really small volume.

And those spots with more volumes are sold out as jabong mentioned.

Yes jabong, the older threads suggested juicy alot, but i also saw that it was stated as one of the sources to test in the “How to run Adult” by matuloo recently. And i was rejected by exoclick, so i thought this was the next best alternative to run something similar to exoclick.

Talking about exoclick, i applied 3 different times and they rejected all of them. They must be really hate me.

I feel that now that i see the situation here, i should just go to the main ones, instead of wasting more time testing on these smaller sites. Also in fact i decided to try banners to improve my quality on leads, So if these smaller sites gives lower quality lead, i will not like to work with it. Would you say banner leads are worse on these sites, as compared to pops or push ?

I was wondering when matuloo you say about bots, will bots actually fill in their email to give me a lead? i will definitely use you pointers on how to select a site, thanks alot!

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I'm not saying that Juicy Ads is not a good traffic source, just that it's not as easy to work with as it was a while ago.

Also as far as Exoclick, what country are you from? This has a lot to do with rejections from my understanding.

Exoclick is definitely a place you need to get into though if you're serious about adult just due to the sheer volume of inventory they have.

You should definitely try to figure out why you're getting rejected from there.

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The really advanced bots can even do this, yes. But most of the bots just mess with your stats and influence the overall traffic quality. Advertisers are monitoring this, so if you send them a lot of bot traffic, they might reject you as an affiliate. If your tracker offers some functions to filter out suspiscious traffic, VPNs etc... do that. Also make sure you use language targeting wherever possible.

Sometimes its better to start with small volume, especially with lower budgets.

Talking about other smaller networks, check out ero-advertising, they have some placements that are not available on other networks.

But you don't have to be afraid to go to the larger ones either, you can limit your budget and start with a small bid, so it's not like your budget will be gone in a minute at all times.

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I think you are right, but if the problem was my geo, do you know if there anything i can do about it? I have emailed exoclick many times, but they do not provide any reason to the rejection.

For that particular spot i found, it seem like too low volume, 100 clicks a day might only get 1 or no conversions. I cannot really find any Individual spots that i could work with at least some decent volume on juicy, at least for the FR geo, most of the volume are added by many small sites. Will test out ero and other networks.

It looks like the bot is pretty much like human now! I will set the language targetings, but for my tracker, bot filters rules have to be manually added. I saw that some IPs could be blocked, but im not sure what is a good rule to block an IP or suspicious traffic. Im also not able to detect a VPN.

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Haha, not only advanced ones.

Does anyone remember the SSM (Secret Submit Method) from Bodeezy?

Unluckily Exo is stricter in their approvals compared to other companies.

But sometimes it helped to email them and ask for a reason or work with them together on a solution to get approved.

Did you offer them to provide info about other sources you work with or something like this?

So that they can see that you are serious.

Or when you go to a conference you could visit their booth and talk with them directly.

I know that it doesn´t help at this very moment but could help longterm when you then still plan to work with them.

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This is usually all it takes to start a business relationship with anyone, as soon as they see you're a real person and not someone trying to scam them, the doors usually open up

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i didnt hear before of that SSM method. For exoclick, I requested for a reason and solution to move forward with them, but they always give the same reply that their checks cannot be disclosed to me. I was at their booth when i was at the awa recently. Spoke to one of them, and said would help me to check my account and got their email. After went home, sent email right after conference, and another one about a month later, with no response. Maybe i got the wrong email, or chose the wrong person to work with. The main helpdesk was responsive but not giving me any solutions. I read here that some people encountered issues with them as well, and email could solve it, but it wasn't in my case. I will try again with this angle "Did you offer them to provide info about other sources you work with or something like this?".

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Oh, the SSM has nothing to do with the topic.

It was just a program that would secretly fill out and submit email submits

About Exoclick, sorry to hear about your experience.

Even worse that you already talked to them at AWA.

I had it few times already that one of my students were rejected there but with a few emails back and forth it mostly was possible to get them approved then.

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Before i start with the update on FR dating, would hope your advice on something, as im still new to adult traffic.

As i mentioned previously, i had tried out TJ traffic before this. I had already stopped traffic, but i just received some bad news from my AM.


From the feedback, the leads were coming from “proxy” and “suspicious hosting provider”


I have set a total of 658 leads. And 625 leads was from TJ. Keep in mind that, i have always used language targeting, setting it to the native language. Now i checked my tracker, all traffic received was in the native language.


I can’t figure out what went wrong.


As you mentioned VPN/proxys are common when people are browsing tubes, how can I even prevent those from signing up to my offer?


So what happened was this:


I was running two different offers, same network. I have tried to check on quality when it was about 100-200 leads.


And then..


I get the boot for one offer, and i cannot blacklist any subids, not even that..


Ok, and then i continued running the other offer.


For the second offer, I was not kicked out, but i just stopped running traffic as it was not making much.


So i tried to checked again at about 300-400 leads for the second offer. I do not get any feedback from the advertiser, even though i passed back subids. I asked if there was anything to blacklist,.. nothing. So without that i feel like im blindly sending leads, since i couldn’t know which subids did well for the advertiser, since it may do well for me but not for him. What could i have done in this case? It was usually mentioned to me, no news means good news, just continue running the shit. The suspicious leads was for both offers.


What do you pass back as subid, just traffic source? Or what do you recommend passing back as other subids ?






Do you think its possible that advertiser wants to know the traffic source and decides to get the info with this method?


Now there is no choice, but for me to provide the traffic source, if not i might not be paid.



Twinaxe, i did a search online but couldn’t find the original post for SSM.


It seems to be automatically filling emails, and have to do with torrents. But how does that actually work?
Have you tried that SSM system before? As its no longer available now.
Could it be that people are using SSM and giving me fake leads here?


Could someone also please check my banners in my first post, how many angles am i running here? As i do not want to have an overlap in testing here.


I would not think it’s a proper A/B test. Since there are so many variations in the banners. I couldn’t tell what was wrong.
How can i save on testing cost for banners and properly do a A/B test? What are some of the ways you start with testing new banners?


So if i change an image from a rotating gallery to a cartoon, is that considered as another angle? Or when leave the same image, and and change the text / headline, is that another angle? Or is it


Same for landing pages, am I actually testing the different landing classes? Since the questions are rather similar in the landing. Could it all be classified under one same category of landings ( Am i actually testing the same thing 3 times? )


Let me know if other details i left out .Really confused now, wish any help on this.

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Bruh this is like the most incoherent post. Let me try to answer some of these lol.

1. You can't really prevent people using VPNs proxies to sign up for your offer, it is what it is. (at least that I know of)

2. I only pass traffic source subids. They dont need more than that.

3. If advertiser asks you for the traffic source, don't tell them. It's not their business. You should still get paid for leads regardless without revealing your traffic source (granted you didn't do anything shady).

4. I would say most of those banners are different angles (though a couple have the same text). Even if its the same "angle", the different designs of the banners are worth testing out if you find something promising.

5. Changing from a rotating gallery to a cartoon is not an angle change.

6. Yes changing text/headline to something different is usually an angle change granted the text means different things.

7. Even if you are using a "questions" lander, the design from one to another can make an impact.


Overall if the advertiser claims fraud and pauses you, just move on to the next offer. Im assuming you are going through an affiliate network and not working with a direct advertiser so I dont think payment should be an issue if you didnt do anything shady.

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Usually, I like to keep this info private too, but when non-payment is in question, I would certainly submit this info to the network in order to prove that I bought traffic from legit sources and am not trying to play games on them.

jabong answered most of the questions correctly, so won't go into it myself, just one maybe:

To run a proper A/B test you need to make sure that you're only changing the tested element and the rest remains the same.

To put it simple, if you want to A/B test images, you need to use the same copy and layout of the banner and just make variations with different images, then run them head to head.

If you want to test an angle, keep the same image on all banners and use different angle copy on them. And again, run them head to head with the same settings.

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OP are they threatening non-payment for your leads?

There's a difference between an advertiser complaining about quality and them refusing to pay you.

Were these leads sent in a short time frame or was it spread out over a longer period?

If you are running for weeks and now the advertiser wants to claw back leads from like a month ago thats a different situation than say a large burst of leads over a 2-3 day period.

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This was in his post, that's why I assumed he might be facing non-payment issues.

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Clean your traffic before you send it to the networks.

I like to send TS IDs and/or campaign IDs to the CPA networks.

That way it´s easier to optimze.

You don´t need to send clear names, the IDs from your tracker are enough for you to know what TS and/or campaigns are good and which not.

Why should he use such tricks to get the trafficsource?

It seems that your campaigns are not performing good for the advertiser so there´s no need to try to get your trafficsource.

Who says that you might not get paid?

Yes, it´s not available anymore for 10 years or so.

No, it wouldn´t even make sense.
SSM was used to generate fake leads for yourself and not to make money for someone else

Really man, probably you just bought crap traffic and generated bad leads.

That happens, there is no conspiracy to get your trafficsources and also no people run malicious scripts like SSM to send you fake leads.

I guess you just bought bad traffic and the pubs generate leads so that you think their placements convert and you keep them running.

Best would be when you learn how to clean your traffic to filter the worst crap so that you don´t send it to the offers.

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Thank you! Really appreciated on all your help on answering my stupid questions.

My traffic was said to be fraud. And yes i might not get paid.

Its not a quality issue.

I just checked my tracker and my leads was sent in pulses over the span of about a month..

As you see, im not even running their offer anymore.

And i was being sent a fraud report list as well ,where i could see the IP addresses and what was fraud and not. It seems quite legit to me.

From the whole fraud list, i see about 30% that is marked as a red flag.

On certain days there was as much as 50% fraud traffic!

The fraud traffic was spread out quite evenly, over the days, meaning to say that even from the start there was already fraud traffic detected. But I was not informed of it until yesterday.

Im thinking if problem was the traffic source itself giving the VPN/fraud traffic?

If this is the case, can i then provide the screenshot of my traffic source, as well as screenshot of the details in my tracker? Since that was requested of me to fight my case.

I already tried to “clean” traffic by targeting the native language only. Is there something else? As the problem here was VPN, fraud traffic.

Im really not sure what tricks is up his sleeves actually, so i was just guessing. Maybe if it was not performing good, he would want to know which traffic source sucks, so he will not run there.

The person that said i couldn’t get paid was my AM.

I bought traffic from TJ as i wanted only the best quality in adult. I didnt want to buy crabby traffic as well.

But im really not sure about quality on this one, as no feedback from advertiser at all. But he has allowed me to run and didnt pause me.

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I have run into the "fraud report" issue 2-3 times over the past few years. Same thing interestingly enough it came from TJ sites.

I explained to the network that I have no control over who signs up for the offer. I have a fairly long history with the network ($xxx,xxx in revenue) so each time I got paid and was just asked to pause that traffic source.

I guess in your case if they want the traffic source details just send them your records. It's not like the offer is working out anyway so I would just try to get paid and move on to the next offer.

But the "fraud report" does happen from time to time even if you're 100% legit, it's just part of the game.

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Yup, show them all the data and emphasize the fact that it comes from TJ which is as legit as it gets and they know it for sure. If they refuse payout in full, at least try to settle for a partial payment for the non-fraudulent leads.

Another thing you should try is to get a partial refund from TJ, if you can show them proof that the leads from their traffic were marked as fraudulent, you might get some compensation from them... it's a possibility, not granted, but worth a try.

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Thank you!

Jabong, since you ran into the same problem, I have thought about the reason, not sure if this make sense. There are many countries that porn is blocked or has strict censorship. Take for example, North Korea. Maybe some people there wants to watch some adult stuff or maybe read some news, and they would use a VPN. And where which country would they choose. I think highly likely they would choose korea. So if i am running ads on Korea traffic, and even if i choose target language KR, i am likely to get many VPN users that understands the native language. They would gladly sign up my leads, and cause me issues.

Another thing is that, maybe common countries like US might be selected as a VPN location to browse since nothing is censored over there. And also. for countries that have internet censorship for those adult sites, there seems to be no point running ads there, since traffic is blocked, it is likely to be almost 100% VPN. But i just guessing, not sure if its true.

Matuloo, is there a difference between Fraud leads and VPN leads? But if its VPN traffic would it be TJ fault ? Since there is no targeting option in TJ that says that TJ will not give me VPN traffic. I have seen some traffic sources that could block VPN traffic, and i didnt know if there is such a thing in adult traffic . As I am thinking there should be a natural amount of VPN traffic that is on adult sites, which TJ has no control over.

I have given the traffic source info to them but removed some unnesssary info, still waiting for the results.

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I've talked to TJ before about the VPN issue when I ran into the "fraud report" problem, and they basically said there's nothing they can do and they can't/won't filter it. This was like a year ago, I dont know if things have changed since.

That being said in your case we are talking about an extremely high percentage of leads which seems very unlikely.

Im guessing its partially an issue with your network/advertiser. I think sometimes if the leads don't back out sometimes the advertiser tries to pull some shady stuff, especially if it's a new affiliate.

I was always able to get paid because the network I had this problem with knew I was a legit affiliate and basically told the advertiser to pay up. I don't know if this is the situation in your case, but it could be.

I've run FR on TJ and have not had this problem. VPN fraud is definitely not going to be at like 50% on a TJ spot in my opinion.

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Thanks for sharing about the experience.

I will check again with TJ.

But is there any GEO that you recommend I stay out of, in case there is too much VPN traffic. Or would you say that the percentage of VPN traffic is about the same in all GEOs?

You mentioned that “advertiser tries to pull some shady stuff, especially if it's a new affiliate”,
But how would the advertiser know im a new affiliate or not? Since i thought my affiliate status would be only kept with the affiliate network.

In the meanwhile, i was running the FR dating over few days.

As it was recommended for me to do a whitelist, I have chosen a spot and then just run on there with a CPM campaign.

Below are some of the data from the testing i have done.

I have filtered banners to show only those with conversions. (sorted by impressions high to low)

Banner stats:





Landing stats:



Offer stats:



Questions:

Am i supposed to be able to spot something interesting here? I probably tested too many as i got too excited. But is there some banners or landings or offers that i could select and run to be profitable, just from this data. Or is my bid price too high for it to work for my current offers ?

Im doing this report in excel as i have no choice, all impressions cost is not passed back to the tracker correctly. I had to do a excel each time i wanna analyse anything.

Is there a better way to do the tracking of impressions efficiently to save time? As making the excel takes time and it is difficult for me to analyse the realtime data.

Even if i manually update the cost daily for a campaign in tracker, when i drilldown the report, the cost will not be right for some variables. Since in the tracker they would usually split the cost by the views. So if i updated the cost in the tracker to be $XX, and for a CPM campaign, since the views that click into each banners is different. The tracker will allocate more cost to the banners with more views, and that is not accurate for a CPM campaign. Since a higher clicks would mean the average CPC is lower. Is there any way i can do it correctly?

*All the costs in the screenshots above should be correct as i already made the edits.

Please let me know if there is something else i missed out here. Im very confused on what is the next step to this.

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As far as your questions about VPNs, if you're on TJ this is not a common issue. I'm probably already approaching 7-figures in spend there and it's been pretty rare and I've run pretty much all major geos.

I really think it's probably that specific advertiser, just pick a new offer and move on.

And yes advertisers know who you are even if you go through an affiliate network as you will have a unique affiliate ID that the network passes on. So they may not know your personal details, but they will know you as Affiliate 1005 or something.

As far as impressions, I don't track those. There is not really an accurate way to track impressions, I just track my cost, revenue, and cpc.

Your tracker will always be different than your traffic source, and whats in your tracker will be different than your affiliate network stats. At the end of the day you just have to track that these numbers are not too far off from each other.

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There are definitely GEOs with higher VPN percentages, for example DE and NL are like this... but that doesn't mean that its not possible to run in those. There are DBs out there that have VPN data and you can utilize those DBs to block VPNs and other unwanted traffic types. Not all trackers are able to utilize those DBs though.

But I think jabong has a point here, I also spent a lot of $$$ with TJ and the fraud problems were very scarce, so it's likely a problem with the advertiser. They might be too strict or their backend monetization is not so effective so they might be looking to scrub some leads.

Of course they can, trafficfactory did it some time ago and they cleaned the traffic a lot, TJ could do the same if they wanted... which they obviously don't as it would likely translate to less impressions sold. Greedy **** ...

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LOL I know TJ can clean up their bots but as you say its more impressions for them so why would they lol.

I also think that for TJ they have no shortage of advertisers from a variety of industries that will buy their traffic so there is even less incentive for them to do so.

I also think TrafficFactory's bot traffic was more glaring in that it came from just a small amount of places (ie datacenters etc) that were easily identifiable.

I feel like TJs bot traffic comes from many more smaller sources that are not as easily identifiable just looking from my data anyway.

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Not sure how much different their traffic is compared to TF, but there are some differences for sure. But even if it wasn't possible to fully filter it, there is definitely something they could do easily... VPNs and datacenters, thats easy to filter out, if they cared for doing so

But we all know how it goes, most of the networks don't do anything that could affect their bottom line, unless they are pressed to do so... maybe one day

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