Help needed- stress lvl 10000 (9)
Hi,
Since 20 december we havent been able to run any ads at all (BH Muscle). We cant figure out if its our setup or something else. We use zeustrack for cloaking, tracking and landing pages management. We are bit supicious that fb detects zeustrack setup somehow...
If anyone here can verify that zeustrack works fine with BH ads at this moment?
Basically all ad accounts die within first 50$ bh spend. 75% of ad accounts die within 10 minutes after submitting ads.
Any ideas or thoughts? Until 20 december we ran smoothly.
Thanks!
My suggestion would be to try a proper cloaker for your campaign needs. Considering all the fried ad accounts, it should be well worth giving a try to cloakers who have experience with FB or other big networks.
DISCLAIMER: I do NOT encourage anyone to run blackhat. Just participating in this discussion to figure out how FB works so we could better give them what they want.
I've never used zeustrack, but the domain of the url you're sending FB users to - are other zeustrack users also using the same domain?
Are you using their cloaker or just tracker?
Is there ANY attribute that is shared among your accounts (i.e. footprint)? Including but not limited to:
-payment method (cc name/number)
-IP you're accessing different accounts from
-device you're accessing different accounts from
-same BM for multiple accounts?
-same FB page for multiple accounts?
-same link you're putting in the ads? (or at least the domain of the link you're putting in the ads)
-same ad images/videos/copy used in ads across multiple accounts?
Also: The quality of the accounts in the first place is important. i.e.:
-Are they aged (been around for a few years) or newly created accounts?
-Consistent user activity like: Liking other posts/pages, adding and interacting with friends, playing games etc. (stuff that "normal" users do)?
Moreover: Did you warm up the ad account adequately before setting up money campaigns? When I was doing blackhat (which has been a while), the "usual" method would be to run low-spend PPE camps to build up some page likes for days/weeks before even setting up the first money camp.
Lastly: How "legit" do your FB page and your safe site look? It would seem that FB is big on those these days especially. Something else I forgot to mention in my tutorial (which I'll add this to): Verify your FB page and account if you can. You can get a phone number for cheap to free these days in many countries. Lots of business use virtual phone numbers - doesn't make them less legitimate. Or you could get a prepaid sim card that comes with a phone number.
And, of course: Have you ever considered running whitehat? ROIs are lower, yes, but the longevity would be there. Then you'll be able to verify your business manager with actual legit info, appeal account bans (and have a good chance of getting them back!) plus utilize custom audiences / look-alike audiences that aren't currently an option for accounts that churn and burn in short periods - and those are where the power of FB's algo lies.
Hope that helps!
Amy
I do what @vortex says... I would check the domain name and see if it is being flagged. more over is this on the same BM? did it affect any of the other accounts? check the CC information does changing it change anything?
Hello @dentik
This is Marlou from Zeustrak, happy to help you out with your questions.
We can verify that Zeustrak works fine with BH at the moment. Please contact me on Skype (Marlou - Zeustrak) or Telegram (@MarlouZeustrak) to see how we can help improve your setup and get your ads approved again.
To answer all of the fair points from @vortex (Thanks Amy 
)
- Within Zeustrak all of the domains are your personal domains so there are no other Fb users on the same domain.
- This also applies for the server you run on, it is all unique and only applied to your own setup (no other users)
- We also offer te option of JS script implementation in 3rd party setups to ensure the thrust of your domains.
Let's chat and get you back on track!
Hi, thanks for your input everyone 
All through last year after a lot of testing we saw:
*Using same CC on multiple accounts did not have any linking/banning effect. Unless card got blocked with account (unusual activity). If just policy violations then same CC worked fine on next account as well. We rotated more than 60 cards like this with no linking issues, average 5-10 accounts per card.
*Warming ad accounts did not work for us. When we started any campaign on new account (even safe) then after few days any change except budget change was a sure ban for account. If we started with black hat ad from zero then we only raised budget later and it worked for us. We even noticed that using old FB pages triggered bans but when created new page from scratch and started advertising immediately, it worked for us.
In Zeustrack we have unique domains, unique server IP. Safe site on our unique domain is any website we want (zeustrack clones it under our domain for us). We chose not so popular but legit ones (usually supplement shops for muscle ads) to clone. When looking at zeustrack data, FB has never gone through they're cloaker (to see BH landing page).
Whole point being, everything went to crap from 20th of December and we haven't been able to crack it. Something changed, some say AI got smarter but in which area? We even verified business managers with legit companies but that didn't change anything.
If someone running BH currently would love some insight, did end on the last year changed anything for you and how did you overcome it? Word "on the streets" is that everybody has issues right now and if thats the case then it would be logical but if we are one of few having issues then its our issue and we need to crack it!
Newer run truly white hat and my understanding is that truly white hat is your own product or having exclusive rights to advertise someone else product. Would love to go to WH business but no idea how when we don't have our own legit product. Dropshipping is not for us sadly
Originally Posted by ianternet
Originally Posted by dentik
https://transparencyreport.google.co...rowsing/search
(Thanks @Mr Baffoe for recommending these to me in a recent chat!)
Reusing may or may not be fine - there's always a risk.
Only, for me (and apparently quite a few of the other guys I've been talking with), everything went to shit from the end of January / start of February. Was wonky on and off until this week - been seeing more stable performance the last few days.
Please see point 5 of this post where I talked about it:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post390625
Also see: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post388413
Also: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post379308
So yeah - it should be pretty apparent at this point that FB's been rolling out algo changes of some sort, and this is not the first time (you'd know better than I do since you've been running blackhat), nor will it be the last.
Also, many leadgen offers are relatively safe as well, e.g. insurance, solar, home improvement.
Alternatively, be an ad agency and be the only person running ads for businesses - would be the equivalent of getting an exclusive offer from a network.
I haven't tried pay per call yet but have heard it can be lucrative. If I have a chance to test it, will let everyone know how it goes.
Browsing results in FB spy tools can provide lots of insight on what types of business models and setups will last longer.
Amy
Originally Posted by zeustrak
Working with Marlou was very successful and seems like switching to JS script implementation did the trick for us. At least ads got approved and no insta bans, let see how they survive now. Looks like the main issue was domain trust after all!
Thanks to everyone and special huge thanks to Marlou!!!
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