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Easy Money - With a catch - Get It While It´s Hot (48)

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I know that many beginners seem to struggle a bit to get their first profitable campaigns running.

Now I thought about ways to change that and came up with the following idea:

I will test some stuff for you and when I find campaigns with good potential I can give you something where chances are good that it will make you profit.
For this campaign today I will show you the exact offer and tell you what lander to use.
I will give you enough info to run a good campaign so that it shouldn´t be hard to make money with it but I won´t do the whole work for you so you still need to show a little bit commitment yourself.

Nothing comes from nothing.

I hope that way you can learn a bit about the different steps to start and run such a campaign.
When the feedback is good I will try to post such stuff more often in the future.

In the end I could also run that campaign myself and bank from it because it really has potential to make some nice money from it but I wanted to give our new affiliates here the chance to run a good campaign and I would like to ask all other more experienced affiliates as well to don´t run that campaign themselves (in case they don´t run it already).

Ok, let´s start the first easy money maker with some facts:

Geo: Thailand
Flow: CPL
Vertical: Casino
Traffic: Push and Pops recommended
Devices: Mobile and Desktop
OS: All

CPA Network: YepAds
Offer: (691315) - [WEB/WAP] HappyLuke Casino *No Baseline/Min Deposit or Wagering* (CPL) Thailand
Payout: $0.75

Landing page used: Slot Machine

Why did I choose that offer?

Usually you find mostly carrier billing offers for TH or you find sweep SOI offers with payouts of about $0.20-$0.30.

The carrier billing offers unluckily don´t convert that good anymore compared to some time ago and volume is also lower than for SOI offers.
But SOI offers with so low payouts are also hard to get into profit when they don´t convert very good.

So a CPL offer with $0.75 payout is very good for TH and it accepts basically all traffic, desktop and mobile as well as WiFi and 3G.

This is a very good combination of bids, volume and payout with good potential for scaling.

I only did a very quick test on the offer myself but it looks very promising.

For the test campaign I didn´t use any BL or WL at all, I just ran it RON.

Here are the results from that quick test.

Traffic cost: $5.03
Revenue: $7.50
Profit: $2.47
ROI: 49.18%



I know that these are no big numbers at all but it was only a first test without any optimization at all and on very low volume so you can imagine that it could be a real good and big campaign when you run it right.
I also wanted to show you the campaign before I get tempted run it on higher volume myself

Just as a comparison, quite some time ago when 1 clicks were big in TH you could easily make few hundred Dollars per day with only carrier traffic and offer payouts of $0.60 or so.
One more comparison, when you check THIS case study you can see how Ivan made about $2k profit in a Geo with only about 4.8 Million people and an offer with only $0.24 payout.

Now you have an offer with $0.75 payout, an easy SOI flow, a Geo with about 70 Million people and the offer accepts all connections and OSs so you can scale it very good.

I hope you can see the potential there.

How to run the campaign

I tested the offer myself on Pop traffic to get some quick results.
When it converts already that good on Pops it probably will also work very good on Push.
I won´t tell you exact trafficsources here because it would only create competition and that wouldn´t help anyone.

For the test campaign I used the following targeting:

Geo: Thailand
Device: Mobile
OS: Android
Browser language: Thailand

As a landing page I used a slot machine, you can find the lander on Adplexity.

When you want to run the offer you have to take care of the quality or you can get paused from the offer pretty fast.

So don´t make exaggerated or unreal promises on your landing page.

DON´T promise the user to get $500 free or so, it will only result in low quality and you get paused from the offer.

Same rules apply when you want to run it on Push.
Use realistic text in your creatives to maintain a better quality.

No promises of huge cash prizes and such stuff.

Visit the offer page yourself, check what kind of incentives the user gets for signing up at the Casino and use that on your landing page and in your Push creatives.

It´s only in your own interest, that way you can run the offer much longer and make more money there.

For Push creatives you can use message icons or slot machines as icons.

For big image use pictures in Native style like these





But also test with only icon and no big image.

When you want to run it on Pops use a good medium bid and test it on mobile first.
Set the bid not too low so that you don´t receive only bad quality traffic but also not too high so that you don´t overpay for bad placements.
You can still run different bids when you have some stats about the performance.

Create one campaign for WiFi and one for 3G traffic to see what is doing better for you.

You can also test it on desktop but probably it won´t be that good as on mobile.
Could be worth a test anyway.

When you want to run it on Push start on fresh user age or high activity first to get a feeling for it.

When you then want to scale try to get more volume with a higher bid on the high quality traffic first.
Next step would be to target wider user freshness or activity for more volume, test the new setting first on a lower bid.

That´s basically all you need to know to start the campaign.

When you have read the title of the thread careful you know that there should be a catch.

There is one thing that makes is a little bit more challenging to run that offer: the conversions get updated only once per day.
That makes it a little bit harder to track and optimize the campaign.

But as you can see, I ran the test 100% blind and couldn´t even optimize because I saw the stats only the following day but the offer was profitable right from the start nonetheless.

So althought it makes the campaign a little bit more complicated it also can help to seperate the lazy affiliates from the hungry affiliates a bit.

It´s up to you what you make of it.

And last but not least the offer is not public, it´s a private offer.

When you already have an account at YepAds ask your AM for the offer.

When you don´t have a YepAds account yet just message Jill from YepAds on Skype live:jillwang18_1

Now I wish you all the best for you campaigns and hope to read some god results here soon, if not I will run the baby myself

Disclaimer: Although I am 100% confident that this campaign setup is working very good there is no guarantee for success.
So even when you have good info to start with better test with lower budget first.

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Great idea bro 🤞🏻

you have criteria for a potential of good offer !?


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Mind blown, brilliant is all I'm gonna say...

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This is too generous.

I've never even run casino. But I will now.

I'll report back once YepAds lets me in

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I'm in with YepAds.

Ran a push camp to offer last night just to see how it works.

Can't seem to find the slots lander in Thai.

You mean this one for pops?



If so, I'll just get it translated

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Yes, I have.

But these criteria are not always the same for all offers/campaigns.

Generally an offer has good possible potential when there is a good relation between offer payout, traffic price, traffic volume.
Even better is when the offers accepts broad targeting so that it can be scaled better.

Check here

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I'm blind

Quick update. Looks like numbers just came in from yesterday.

5 conversions right around -40%

Those are great numbers for doing Push direct to offer. And I haphazardly started the camp when I woke up at 3AM this morning.

Offer definitely has potential.

Will play with creatives a bit more while I work on the lander.

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So you used Push and direct linked (because lack of lander)?

Then it´s not that bad the result.

I tell you man

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Yup. I've had OK results in the past with that. Some offers surprisingly perform better with direct linking from push.

Figured if it worked well with that, it will work with anything

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I thought somebody is already crushing this with sledgehammer

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Who knows what's cooking in the shadows

But that offer has to be run a bit different anyway because of the daily conversion update.

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Nice share @twinaxe!

Btw gambling is highly regulated in Thailand, so no wonder there is a huge interest from people for offers like these.

Jump on it while you can!

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@twinaxe that's the best post idea this year!!

You're the most passionate mod - I would nominate you for Mod of the Year if we had such an award. You'd more than deserve it.

Thanks for being so awesome!



Amy


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Come on Amy, thanks for the kind words but you are exaggerating and it embarrasses me a bit

We are here to help and support so that´s what I try to do.

We can see that several newbies struggle a bit to get their stuff rolling so a little nudge in the right direction can´t be wrong.

And instead of just posting a case study I thought it can probably help much more when they get a guide for a good campaign so that they can run it themselves.
So that they not only read about someone elses experiences but that they can make own experiences and learn how to run such a campaign themselves.

In the end that´s the best way to learn.

Also important for me was to explain a bit why I chose that offer and why I think it´s good to run.

That way you can also learn a bit why some combinations are better or have more potential to be winners than others.

I will try to get such threads running more often so that our beginners can see the process for few different campaigns.

Maybe that helps to show that it´s not only one factor or always the same pattern that decides about potential or not.

Anyway, I hope that the users who are struggling take advantage of it.

My YepAds AM already messaged me and told me that two new affiliates run the offer and are collecting conversions.

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Well, we know who one of them is.

I wonder who the other mysterious person is?

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Quick update from yesterday:

32 conversions at about -16% ROI. Much better with an actual lander

Trying a better version of that lander for everything today.

Will post some actual stats once I get back this evening.

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Cool, sounds good.

You will see, performance will increase when you run the offer for longer.

The catch here is that conversions only update once a day so you need to run it a bit different.

You could either run blind on high volume from the beginning without knowing if a placement is good or not until next conversion update.
That way you can get many conversions right from the start but also risk to lose much money on bad apples.

Or you grow the campaign slowly and test the placements first with lower spend and scale tjne step by step.
That way it takes a bit longer to see higher numbers but the risk to lose money is also much lower.

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A little bit of both at the moment. Not running huge volume (compared to how much is available), like 40k a day with pops and push, but I have no idea what I'm doing.
It's really weird waiting a whole day to see what happens

I've just been letting it run without manually touching zones so far on push or pop. I am letting propeller's auto optimize thing try to do its magic at 0.25 per zone for now, I'll bump it up after a few days.

Hopefully today's results will give me a better idea of where I should be bidding and targeting. Based on yesterday's stats, it's looking like 3G only pops have most potential with HiQ push having best performance... so far. But that could drastically change in a few days.

We shall see.

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Yes, the approach ro tun it is a bit different but in the not that complicated as well.

But that´s good to give the creative thinking a little boost

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This is an incomplete picture, but it's what I got so far:



Push and Pops. You can tell which is which based on impressions

62 conversions. Around -57% ROI overall. Not too bad.

Push Hi looks the best, but it had a head start, so it's been optimizing almost 2 days longer.

Hi+Mid Push is the biggest loser so far. Will pause that for awhile while I keep working on Hi only.

3G only pops has the most conversions. It's still my favorite even if it's the second biggest loser.

Pops Wifi Only, looking good.

Push Higher (same as Hi but slightly higher bid) is catching up fast.

I'm gonna dive in and do some manual cutting today to try and weed out some garbage.

Hopefully that will help

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I expected better stats, I keep an eye on it.

When I'm in good mood tomorrow I can post a good way to run that campaign.

And when that doesn't help I will run it myself to show it

Btw, today I had an idea for the next easy money guide.

Prepared everything, started a test, 30 minutes later already more than 40 conversions

Stay tuned.

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It's better than it looks, really.

I should have been cutting earlier, but I wanted to see if propeller's auto- algorithm was smart enough to handle one daily update. Checking my stats, it's not. At. All. It's quite stupid actually. Running some zones in 6x loss and pausing some zones in profit. Well, now we know

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Haha ok, seems you make your life harder than it has to be

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Thanos here great job bro 🤞🏻



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Great thread and beautiful "tutorial", really helpful for starters..but looks like too many starters (and maybe pros?) jumped on it, yepads seems to have the offer delisted already ;(

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Are you talking about Propeller's Auto Optimize for SmartCPM?

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will try this out when i get home in a few days here

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Or maybe you didn't read the post carefully

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Yes. Auto-optimize for CPC on Push as well.

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This is from Propellers platform

So I understand it that it doesn´t exclude placements when they don´t just reach the desired CPA.
They only exclude that slice = combination of Zone + Geo + OS + Creative.

Let´s say you run 3 different creatives, 1 Geo and 1 OS in the campaign and your CPA bid is $0.50.

Then it wouldn´t exclude the placement when CPA is higher than $0.50, it would only exclude it for that one creative.
With 3 creatives it would be 3 times the amount.

I hope it makes sense

That´s why I prefer to use Optimizer for such stuff, much better and many more options to control the campaigns,

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Unlikely, that's a shot from optimizer, so I'm guessing he had it running in the background this whole time

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Just curious, are you using Optimizer as well?

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I'm trying it out. It definitely helps. But it's no silver bullet

Looking at your FA progress from yesterday, it's obvious you don't need it to get green!

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Haha, it´s getting hilarious.

New forum game, "Guess who´s twinaxe next"

No, it wasn´t from one day.

It´s about 1 1/2 week.

Exactly, it´s from Optimizer because by accident I set a much too high % clickloss in the tracker so that tracker stats are way off.

I just kept it that way because Optimizer shows the accurate stats anyway and I didn´t want to spend more time on it than needed

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Had an email this morning saying that they are pausing the TH casino offer for now, due to having issues with deposits on their side.

Tested 3G again and tested each carrier:



If the offer is unpaused I probably would do some more testing using the carriers in 3G.

I'm wondering if I should have tried different traffic sources as well. Or just get it stable on one good testing traffic source before trying other sources.

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Yeah, that top carrier with 4 leads looks good

Did it say that? My email only said: 'Please note the following offer will be paused today at 11:30 PM CET.'

Either way, just sounds like a quality check to me.

It may get unpaused in a few days, after they make some adjustments.

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Sorry, that bit wasn't in the email. The AM told me that. Hopefully they will unpause it at the same payout

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My AM also messaged me and said that there are technical issues so that users can´t amke deposits.

Offer will be back when it´s fixed.

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I was just talking to @manchester and it got me thinking.

manchester, jaybot and I (and probably a few others) ran this offer, but without much success.

Seeing your screenshot @twinaxe, got me wondering what you did differently than all of us (other than you are immortal...).

In other words, what was your competitive advantage in this case? Because from what I remember you ran this RON and already got it green.

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I don´t know what exactly I did different or what my competitive advantage was.

The thing is, not everything works the same for everyone.

What works for me doesn´t necessarily work for others as well.

In this example it´s really a bit bad because I had good results from the start and when I ran it later again to compare if I face the same issues as you I still had good results.

Usually at least some of you should have better results but on the other hand we can only compare the results from the people who talk in public about it.

I can´t tell how many others ran the offer based on this guide as well, maybe some of them also had great results and just don´t talk about it.

It´s often the case with all kind of reviews or stuff that people post about, let it be for electronics, cars or software.

People usually don´t open threads in forums when everything is good, they usually don´t post when they are happy with a product so that they just want to tell how satisfied they are.
Mostly people start threads and posts when they have negative experience with a product and when something goes wrong.

That way it can easily lead to a wrong impression that something is much worse than it is in real.

I don´t know if that´s the case here as well but this could explain it a bit.

Apart from that the only competitive advantage that comes to my mind is that I used Optimizer to block and unblock placements each day and let them run for longer the more conversions they had.

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I think the competitive advantage he had was he's twinaxe.

The biggest problem I had was being jaybot

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Come on dude, don´t make yourself worse than you are.

I know that you are just joking but such statements can still manifest themselves subconsciously and result in more fails.

Mindset and subconscious mind are forces that shouldn´t be underestimated.

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Hi twinaxe, thanks for starting this thread. I learned a lot just by reading through it and can't wait to join you guys.

Perhaps the traffic source and targeting is the reason results are so wide. The offer would perform differently on each ts right?

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Not entirely joking.

The main reason most camps fail is yourself. Most don't realize this.

Gotta take responsibility and not blame some secret twinaxe special sauce was the reason for success.

Don't get me wrong. I'm awesome. Not many can do what I do. Even if it appears like I'm constantly failing, I'm still here.

How is that?

Being awesome. That's how.

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I think we are all talking about the same thing but differently.

The way I see it is, there is a twinaxe secret sauce. Thats why the offer worked.

The key is to try to replicate that secret sauce or create your own.

And yes it is my reposibility to figure out that secret sauce, and it is my own fault if I'm failing...

But at the same time, I have the ability to change things.

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If I'm not mistaken, on twinaxe's profitable camps, he had targeted carriers didn't he?

I hadn't thought of that, after I saw that clue I tested the carriers individually and found that one (can't remember which) seemed to be more promising than the others.

I was just about to target that carrier specifically ... then the offer was paused and the payout cut. I haven't run the offer since.

Someone is doing well on it though, as I'm sure you all get the notices that the offer is reaching it's cap.

Could that be where I was lacking personally? I hadn't even thought of targeting by carrier.
Then maybe it's skills, knowledge and experience of knowing what to try in different situations like that I don't have yet that made twinaxe more successful? and he knew that the payout was above what it usually would be for those types of offers which maybe gave him more of an idea that he could definitely get it working somehow?

I don't know if he used a good BL/WL or better landers or a TS that he knew had great traffic for TH casino offers? I guess that could all be part of the success story too.

I'm starting to think maybe I should concentrate on just a few GEOs, so then I can start to learn all the intricacies of that GEO and hopefully that might give me a boost to compete with other affiliates? Because I could focus more of my efforts.

Or maybe that's a bad idea? haha

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@twinaxe Sergeant Drill Instructor: Have a question concerning your bid basket concept.

If I understood correctly from other threads you put the white zones on static CPM once you know the price.

On propeller there is the option to choose from high mid and low activity even for pop. So what do you advice when going for static CPM?

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On pops the high/mid/low activities are not that important as on push so better first try RON for more volume.

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