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02-16-2020 06:37 PM
#1
tleagle (Member)
Follow along with a SUPER Newb!
Follow along begins below after this brief introduction.
I am a complete and total Newb, who overthinks. Basic guides are likely not basic enough.
Several years ago I read about STMForum in Bloomberg Businessweek, and thought, one day I'll give it a try. I do well at my 9to5, but like many others, I seek the Freedom big three; Money, Time, Location. To that end I've read a lot, dabbled a lot, but always froze with analysis paralysis. It's time to focus, and this step by step guide, and online accountability is what I need. Thank you Vortex for writing this guide. I don't even want to mention the 40-day guide, because it's going to kill my focus, and take me out of the moment.
So, I fancy myself a quick learner and a deep diver. However, I was not prepared for just how deep and varied is affiliate marketing. I've been a member for several months and admittedly avoided logging in because I thought my understanding would improve if I watched just one more youtube video, or read one more guru post on Facebook. There is no substitute for action though, and it is time to move forward.
Now, because I can't help but complicate things, I also want to do everything through an LLC, so it's not my personal name that is out there. I don't think that affects anything with push traffic, but if this scales, or a brand needs to be created, I want that separate.
I will be working on the laptop outside of 9 to 5, but expect to check emails and Skype throughout the day. I haven’t really tried doing anything on mobile during the day. Is it easy enough over mobile too?
Day 1, February 5, 2020
Applications to Mobipium and PopAds completed. Mobipium's AM responded quickly with the first "additional questions" email. After sending my responses, I waited 6 days and skyped again. My AM changed, and I was told approval would occur the next day. Followed up morning of day 9 and I received my Approval email, February 14, 2020.
Day 11 February 16, 2020
Valentine’s Day, kid’s activities, and not knowing how long the step is going to take had me procrastinating until today. How dumb! Just keep moving forward. Do a little bit. I’m writing this post and it’s all going so quickly.
Begin Step 2. Despite a few updates in previous threads, it looks like “PN All Landings (186)” is the way to go again. I’ve created the link and was sure to add &tid=[IMPRESSIONID] at the end. Then sent it off to my Mobipium AM. It’s Sunday, so I expect I’ll receive a reply tomorrow.
I literally added the above at the end of the link, and didn’t change “IMPRESSIONID” to a unique letter and number combination from some source that I overlooked… I’m hoping that is correct to leave it as the pink above. I get that “awholeseriesoflettersandnumbers” is unique to me, but what does adding “&tid=[IMPRESSIONID]” actually do?
Tested my link in Safari and Chrome, and saw a push notification pop up, that I declined, and a spinning circle in a video browser, but no image. In Firefox, the video player comes up and the page constantly blinks while the browser bar has several links that keep changing. So, I think I’m good to go to the next step, despite not having confirmation from my AM. Correct? Will check back in for replies here, and just begin Step 3 regardless tonight, if I hear nothing.
An update to Day 11
I read ahead in the guide. It seemed the PopAd campaign could be set up and then started later. That has CHANGED, and the confirmation on page 48 actually occurs when you click "Create Campaign." Furthermore, there is no "Start" option under the "Quick Menu". Also, just after clicking "Create Campaign", the BLUE "Conversion Tracking" button no longer exists. It now states, "Pixels and Postback". So, for others, it might be best to wait for your Mobipium AM to confirm your link. I hope that my link actually does work, because my PopAds campaign is currently in "Pending Approval" status.
Day 12
OK, so I was wrong in my update. The Campaign does go into pending approval. Then, once approved, it changes to "Paused". So, after that, you must go to the "Quick Menu" and click "Start". BTW, My AM sent me a list of GEOs, US, ZA, CA, DE, SA, AU, GB, AE, CO, FR. Unfortunately, I started my campaign already...
I'll be updating the rest of the Follow Along in the thread. It seems that is the preferred/common way.
02-16-2020 06:59 PM
#2
ivan the terrible (Member)
Hey tleagle.
To that end I've read a lot, dabbled a lot, but always froze with analysis paralysis.
I know exactly how you feel, I was in your boots not so long time ago.
Congrats on making this step, this is huge now just keep on going
02-16-2020 08:15 PM
#3
tleagle (Member)
That is so terrific to read! I have pieces of knowledge about everything and am hoping to align them all to finally make sense for practical application.
02-17-2020 01:19 AM
#4
vortex (Senior Moderator)
It is indeed hard to take that first step! But that's exactly what the $1 guide and the 40-day tutorial were designed for.
Ultimately though, to succeed at this game, you can't be too conservative ("safe"), and certainly can't be too much of a perfectionist.
Uncertainly and volatility is the name of the game - almost no matter what it is you run.
Having said that: There ARE more stable business models than others. Ecom + physical products for example. But even for that, you'd still need to test products and ads and a slew of other things. And returns on investment is never guaranteed.
It takes some serious soul-searching and research to find something you're truly passionate about. My best advice is to avoid "forcing" yourself to do something just because you feel it would make the most money. If that something isn't what you're truly interested in doing, the stress can burn you out. Choose something you love to do so much that you'd do it for free if you had to, and you'll never feel like you're working again. 
As for analysis paralysis, this post has some tips that may help:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-are-some-tips
I literally added the above at the end of the link, and didn’t change “IMPRESSIONID” to a unique letter and number combination from some source that I overlooked… I’m hoping that is correct to leave it as the pink above. I get that “awholeseriesoflettersandnumbers” is unique to me, but what does adding “&tid=[IMPRESSIONID]” actually do?
[IMPRESSIONID] is a variable. When PopAds triggers that link (that you put into popads when you create the campaign), popads would automatically replace [IMPRESSIONID] with an actual random string of numbers/letters. This random string will represent the user that the ad is shown to. Let's say this random string is "1234567" for example.
Because this link is a mobipium link, when popads triggers it, it would "take over" the tracking of the user. If the user actually converts (in this case, clicks on the "Allow" in the push notification popup), mobipium would trigger the postback link, and replace {tid} with 1234567 and {pay} with the revenue dollar amount. Remember that the postback link belongs to PopAds. So when Mobipium triggers this postback, it is effectively "telling" Popads: "Hey! User 1234567 has made a conversion with revenue $x.xx!"
Then PopAds would show this in the stats.
Tested my link in Safari and Chrome, and saw a push notification pop up, that I declined, and a spinning circle in a video browser, but no image. In Firefox, the video player comes up and the page constantly blinks while the browser bar has several links that keep changing. So, I think I’m good to go to the next step, despite not having confirmation from my AM. Correct? Will check back in for replies here, and just begin Step 3 regardless tonight, if I hear nothing.
Waiting for confirmation from your AM would still be good. Just because you're able to arrive at the right page doesn't mean things are being tracked. Make sure your account is activated, your affiliate link is approved, and your postback is active and all ready to go.
Amy
02-17-2020 02:39 AM
#5
tleagle (Member)
Appreciate the answers Amy. Also, regarding the analysis paralysis, ironically, it's not perfection or conservatism, as I want to rush in. I do rush in. What wastes my time is the fear of wasting time learning the wrong thing. So, I research multiple strategies at once. I have committed to myself to do this in order, $1 Guide, then 40 Day guide (but couldn't help take a peak at the FB and Sweepstakes guides). I had a little success on FB a while ago, but I was following blindly and not equipped to learn.
An update to Day 11
I read ahead in the guide. It seemed the PopAd campaign could be set up and then started later. That has CHANGED, and the confirmation on page 48 actually occurs when you click "Create Campaign." Furthermore, there is no "Start" option under the "Quick Menu". Also, just after clicking "Create Campaign", the BLUE "Conversion Tracking" button no longer exists. It now states, "Pixels and Postback". So, for others, it might be best to wait for your Mobipium AM to confirm your link. I hope that my link actually does work, because my PopAds campaign is currently in "Pending Approval" status.
02-17-2020 12:54 PM
#6
tleagle (Member)
OK, so I was wrong in my update. The Campaign does go into pending approval. Then, once approved, it changes to "Paused". So, after that, you must go to the "Quick Menu" and click "Start".
02-18-2020 03:22 AM
#7
tleagle (Member)
Day 12
Took the kids skiing, after checking on things this morning. It was neat to see the big spike in clicks on the Mobipium Dashboard. What's interesting, but I didn't note it here, is that I saw about nine clicks on the dashboard last night before starting the campaign. I know at least 5 were me testing the link. Were the other four from Mobipium AM testing the link?
Here's my Mobipium dashboard as of today.

My PopAds Geos are below. There were 58 conversions! None of the GEOs were profitable, which was expected. Also, none really correlated to success with the GEOs provided by my AM.
PopAds Geos

Following the guide, I removed at least three GEOs. Using my judgement, anything with very low impressions was removed. So, bye bye, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Sweden, South Africa. More were considered, but the guide's image also showed all GEOs as unprofitable and stated a minimum of three. Hopefully, removing five wasn't too many.
So a few questions from this Newbie.
What is the offer, or ad, or landing page for this campaign? Since it's a smartlink, does it change everytime or for different impressions in different countries? I don't even know what this offer is, and therefore I feel like I'm playing the lottery a bit. Brazil has the most impressions, so it stays. Yet, Brazil speaks Portuguese mostly. Colombia speaks Spanish, and is the next highest impressions and conversions. France is third. Are the offers language specific? What drove such high impressions in Brazil vs all of the others?
Is this campaign super basic, on just GEOs tweaking, just to teach us to let winners run?
At least with some FB ads I've done in the past, I could copy an audience and tweak based on certain interests. Also, I felt connected to the audience with the pictures and words that were being used, and picked the target based on the message. I barely knew what I was doing, and was blindly following a guru for the most part. However, I saw how those tweaks affected engagement.
I see the bonus module allows for tweaking a few more things in PopAds.
I'm ready to absorb information, and realize that I need to walk before I can run. Hopefully my questions don't indicate I haven't sprouted legs yet...
02-19-2020 02:14 AM
#8
tleagle (Member)
Day 13
It's my 14th wedding anniversary today! Just back from dinner. Kids are snugged up in bed. Woke up this morning to check a few things and off to work. A day full of meetings gave me ample time to look at my phone under the table and peruse a few STM posts. Soooo much to learn. I'm soooo tempted to read about everything else, FB, eCom, Native. No! Don't run yet. Like an athlete. Train. Train a little everyday! Consistent training leads to improved results. One big day of lifting or sprints only serves to injure you. Train, and let the mind and body build. Even if there's no time, just spend, 10 minutes to read the guide again. There's always something new to learn, or a new way to view what I've already learned.
What did I learn today? I learned that losers are losers. I feel I should've cut more GEOs. I saw some ratios improve, like Colombia, but I'm still not sure why. Here are the new GEO results.

I'm going to spend the rest of the $10, but I'm going to wait until morning (NYC) to begin the next campaign. I'm wondering if timing has anything to do with it. It seems my budget is spent by late morning. Perhaps people are getting ready for work, or at work. I'd like to have the the ads go out during the day.
02-19-2020 12:20 PM
#9
tleagle (Member)
Day 14
I just started the campaign again for just for GEOs, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt and France.
Also, something just clicked. This is going to show you how dense and new I really am, because it's so minor. It's interesting what comes easy for some, but not for others. I had to read all the way through to the end of the bonus section for this to click. I finally understand why the daily budget is cumulative. It's because Vortex expected the Newbies to restart their campaign on the same day, and hence the daily budget needs to be increased. Oh boy, am I going at this too slowly?
Also, I now understand the Smartlink varies the offer. So, I am looking forward to maybe putting in another $10, and tweaking the websites and some of the other options. So, I'll have to wait for the 40-Day guide to start tweaking individual offers.
02-19-2020 03:57 PM
#10
ivan the terrible (Member)
Hey man, being new is not a problem at all, just take your time and explore.
I'm soooo tempted to read about everything else, FB, eCom, Native.
Good thinking, focus 100% on one thing, just pick one traffic source, one vertical and single offer.
Learn just enough to start and then learn by trial and error.
02-20-2020 12:06 PM
#11
tleagle (Member)
Day 15
I sat down in front of the TV yesterday while checking on the campaign and forgot to screen grab the results of the last country edits to post here. The budget was depleted, and the last four countries, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt and France saw performed about the same as before. So, the decision was made to go for one more day and edit the websites that the link was run on. The results are below.


This morning I picked seven of the most profitable websites to let run for another $3 budget with an increase on the bid to 0.0004 from 0.0003. Tonight I'll edit again and bump the bid for the remaining $4. It will be interesting to see if I can get the ROI a little higher, if not profitable. Then beginning Friday, I'll start on the 40 Day guide.
02-24-2020 03:50 AM
#12
vortex (Senior Moderator)
Appreciate the answers Amy. Also, regarding the analysis paralysis, ironically, it's not perfection or conservatism, as I want to rush in. I do rush in. What wastes my time is the fear of wasting time learning the wrong thing. So, I research multiple strategies at once. I have committed to myself to do this in order, $1 Guide, then 40 Day guide (but couldn't help take a peak at the FB and Sweepstakes guides). I had a little success on FB a while ago, but I was following blindly and not equipped to learn.
I can completely relate to that - and I suspect some/many of the other affiliates can as well.
I guess a possible "cure" to your analysis paralysis, would be to realize that it would be near impossible to avoid "wasting time". These images illustrate perfectly what I'm wanting to describe/express:
Ultimately, PROGRESS will consist of a series of small wins and small failures. The way I see it is that the faster we fail, the quicker we get where we want to be.
Of course, that doesn't mean we would squander our time mindlessly. Doing research and planning is great as well. It's just that sometimes, keeping a balance between not thinking enough and overthinking is difficult.
Another, really important thing to realize, is that
thoughts and beliefs actually exist in the form of energy - they don't just disappear (at least not right away) when you stop thinking them.
Researching and planning involves thinking, and when you're thinking in a constructive way for long enough to build energy momentum, the results you're seeking will start to manifest into reality.
So, it's not "thinking too long" that's hindering you.
What's making you stuck is that you're not thinking the RIGHT thoughts.
i.e. Reasons why something CAN work.
Most people shoot themselves down before they start. It's normal. It's a mechanism we've developed to protect ourselves.
But most people overdo it to the point where they only see reasons why something won't work - which then leads to inaction.
This is why that analysis paralysis post I linked to can help. It suggests to do research on multiple viable projects,
list reasons why each can be successful, then pick one(s) that look the most promising and take action.
So that by the time you actually take action, hopefully you'll have built some positive momentum with your thoughts, to prepave your path in a good way.
Please ignore all this if you're not a believer of the law of attraction - I realize I've become too "new age-y" for many people.
An update to Day 11
I read ahead in the guide. It seemed the PopAd campaign could be set up and then started later. That has CHANGED, and the confirmation on page 48 actually occurs when you click "Create Campaign." Furthermore, there is no "Start" option under the "Quick Menu". Also, just after clicking "Create Campaign", the BLUE "Conversion Tracking" button no longer exists. It now states, "Pixels and Postback". So, for others, it might be best to wait for your Mobipium AM to confirm your link. I hope that my link actually does work, because my PopAds campaign is currently in "Pending Approval" status.
OK, so I was wrong in my update. The Campaign does go into pending approval. Then, once approved, it changes to "Paused". So, after that, you must go to the "Quick Menu" and click "Start".
Thanks for letting me know! I've been meaning to update that tutorial, but haven't been able to find the time. Tracker interfaces, affiliate network interfaces, and traffic network interfaces are always changing. Maybe after I finish the FB tutorial in a few months I could come back to update the 40-day tutorial.
(I'm glad that the campaigns don't automatically start! Otherwise I'd really need to update the tutorial immediately. Again - thanks for letting me know!)
What's interesting, but I didn't note it here, is that I saw about nine clicks on the dashboard last night before starting the campaign. I know at least 5 were me testing the link. Were the other four from Mobipium AM testing the link?
I wouldn't worry about accounting for a mere few clicks. But yes it could be your AM (or the Mobipium system), or it could be something else - as long as you're not getting a massive number of clicks that aren't accounted for, I wouldn't spend time tracking down the reason.
My PopAds Geos are below. There were 58 conversions! None of the GEOs were profitable, which was expected. Also, none really correlated to success with the GEOs provided by my AM.
I see 4 geos that are hopeful.
Brazil - 68% ROI may look bad, but this geo has lots of cheap traffic, there's a chance that by cutting unprofitable placements and then testing bids, that you COULD turn this into a profitable campaign. I'd need to see the placements stats to see if the possibility is there or not.
Colombia - It's at break-even, so very possible for reaching profits with further optimization.
France - Too early too tell. Just one more conversion would have resulted in a green campaign.
Saudi Arabia - at -50% ROI it's possible to optimize to green.
So these are 4 geos you could try to set up separate campaigns for, then cut unprofitable placements.
Following the guide, I removed at least three GEOs. Using my judgement, anything with very low impressions was removed. So, bye bye, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Sweden, South Africa. More were considered, but the guide's image also showed all GEOs as unprofitable and stated a minimum of three. Hopefully, removing five wasn't too many.
I would test the above 4 geos first. As for the rest of the geos: Do keep in mind that you're currently bidding very low, so the more expensive geos (typically tier 1/2 geos consisting of more developed countries) won't give you much traffic. This is where the testing of bids comes in - the 40-day tutorial covers that if you want to jump ahead to give the "how to test bids" lesson a read.
Typically, the more-expensive geos will also have higher payouts to offset the costs (but not always - so you'll need to do some testing to see what the conversion rates are, to see whether the math could back out for you).
So a few questions from this Newbie.
What is the offer, or ad, or landing page for this campaign? Since it's a smartlink, does it change everytime or for different impressions in different countries? I don't even know what this offer is, and therefore I feel like I'm playing the lottery a bit. Brazil has the most impressions, so it stays. Yet, Brazil speaks Portuguese mostly. Colombia speaks Spanish, and is the next highest impressions and conversions. France is third. Are the offers language specific? What drove such high impressions in Brazil vs all of the others?
This particular push smartlink CAN show a different landing page to each geo. I don't remember anymore - it's been a while.
To find out for yourself, use a VPN set to different countries, and browse to your aff link.
Basically it would just be a page with a push popup that asks whether the user wants to subscribe to push notifications (you'll see this when you browse to the link). If the user clicks "Allow", you make a commission. If they click "Block" or close the tab/window, you don't get anything.
So effectively, you're building a list of push subscribers for the affiliate network (or whoever owns the offer). The offer owner will then have permission to send push notifications to these subscribers - and these could be anything from dating ads to sweepstakes offers to whatever else.
As for languages: The push popup that will appear - to ask "Allow" or "Block" - would be in the default browser language of the user.
As for why there's more traffic volume for Brazil: 2 considerations here.
First of all, each traffic network has access to different amounts of traffic from different geos. It depends on which publisher websites it's buying traffic from (i.e. which websites will be showing our ads to their visitors), and which geos their visitors are from.
Secondly, your bid matters (as touched-on above). Brazil traffic tends to be cheap, therefore although you're bidding low, you'd still get a decent amount of traffic. With such a low bid you wouldn't be getting much traffic from the US for example.
As for why Brazil traffic is cheap - it's all about supply and demand. Residents in Brazil don't tend to have the same buying power as, say, the US or other tier 1 geos. Therefore, the amount of profits that can be generated by affiliates/advertisers that are buying Brazil traffic, are limited. Thus, affiliate/advertisers can't afford to pay too much for this traffic.
Which is why the traffic is cheap. There's nobody to drive up the price.
Is this campaign super basic, on just GEOs tweaking, just to teach us to let winners run?
Yes. Although you are encourage to cut placements and test bids - which is outside the scope of the $1 guide. Optimization is covered in the 40-day tutorial though.
At least with some FB ads I've done in the past, I could copy an audience and tweak based on certain interests. Also, I felt connected to the audience with the pictures and words that were being used, and picked the target based on the message. I barely knew what I was doing, and was blindly following a guru for the most part. However, I saw how those tweaks affected engagement.
This is why pop has become somewhat saturated - because it's so much easier to run than FB.
But pop is the easiest and cheapest to learn.
At least until I finish writing that FB beginner's tutorial.
I'm ready to absorb information, and realize that I need to walk before I can run. Hopefully my questions don't indicate I haven't sprouted legs yet...
Questions are good! Nothing bad ever comes from asking questions. Not so for questions that aren't asked when they need to be.
It's my 14th wedding anniversary today! Just back from dinner. Kids are snugged up in bed. Woke up this morning to check a few things and off to work. A day full of meetings gave me ample time to look at my phone under the table and peruse a few STM posts. Soooo much to learn. I'm soooo tempted to read about everything else, FB, eCom, Native. No! Don't run yet. Like an athlete. Train. Train a little everyday! Consistent training leads to improved results. One big day of lifting or sprints only serves to injure you. Train, and let the mind and body build. Even if there's no time, just spend, 10 minutes to read the guide again. There's always something new to learn, or a new way to view what I've already learned.
A very belated congratulations!
You inspire me - it must be tough to be learning AM on the side, with a day job and family that requires your love and attention.
As for sprinting vs. training: It depends on what you're wanting to run ultimately.
If FB+ecom is what you're interested in, I would suggest to skip the 40-day tutorial altogether, and instead check out Caurmen's Ecommerce Cookbook (in the ecom subforum).
For native or push traffic though, going through the 40-day tutorial first will train you for cheap to give you the basics of tracking and landing pages and campaign optimization. When you start running native there will be more to learn, but at least you'll have built a foundation with the 40-day tutorial.
And if you're interested in FB, I would suggest to just start following @
stickupkid's guides, and also that sweeps guide I wrote. (And of course, that new FB tutorial I've just started to write.)
You've seen all of them anyways.

But yeah - please don't feel like you absolutely have to do the $1 guide or 40-day tutorial first. It really depends on what it is you're wanting to run ultimately.
What did I learn today? I learned that losers are losers. I feel I should've cut more GEOs. I saw some ratios improve, like Colombia, but I'm still not sure why. Here are the new GEO results.
Pop traffic can have volatile performance. There are good and bad days.
I'm going to spend the rest of the $10, but I'm going to wait until morning (NYC) to begin the next campaign. I'm wondering if timing has anything to do with it. It seems my budget is spent by late morning. Perhaps people are getting ready for work, or at work. I'd like to have the the ads go out during the day.
You can target specific times of day (and even days of week). But in order to decide what times of day to target, you'll need to collect more data, so you can see which hours are more profitable.
I finally understand why the daily budget is cumulative. It's because Vortex expected the Newbies to restart their campaign on the same day, and hence the daily budget needs to be increased. Oh boy, am I going at this too slowly?
Haha that's funny!
No it's not you at all.
I pride myself on being able to create newbie-friendly guides. But occasionally, I still fall into the trap of taking my understanding of basic concepts for granted. Of course, what's "basic" for an experienced affiliate may not be obviously to someone who's new.
Kudos on "getting it" finally!
Also, I now understand the Smartlink varies the offer. So, I am looking forward to maybe putting in another $10, and tweaking the websites and some of the other options. So, I'll have to wait for the 40-Day guide to start tweaking individual offers.
Smartlinks in general DO rotate multiple offers. However, this push smartlink really only has one offer: To collect push subscribers. It may offer several different landing pages though - perhaps when the aff network is split-testing landing pages, or they may be rotating several to avoid ad fatigue.
This morning I picked seven of the most profitable websites to let run for another $3 budget with an increase on the bid to 0.0004 from 0.0003. Tonight I'll edit again and bump the bid for the remaining $4. It will be interesting to see if I can get the ROI a little higher, if not profitable. Then beginning Friday, I'll start on the 40 Day guide.
I've already mentioned optimization above - so yes, there are ways to further optimize these campaigns.
But really, I believe your time would be better-spent on going through the 40-day tutorial and running individual offers. Smartlinks are tricky. And you don't get to use your own landers because the offers rotate.
Amy
02-25-2020 02:57 AM
#13
tleagle (Member)
I’ll post up my results in the morning. What a weekend! I used up the last of the budget on the campaign, and clicked to start the campaign. Then, I ran off to the airport for a flight to Miami, on a one-way ticket. Once there, I inspected and haggled, and after nearly four hours I drove off the lot in my “reasonable” dream car. That was just the start. I spent the next two days winding my way up the East Coast at hyper legal speeds in the dead of night. Made it home in time to see the kids’ games!
And, true to my commitment to myself, I read a little about AM each day. In particular, I spent some time on IAmAttila’s blog. There are so many good resources. I think just like sports cars (anything really), the more you know, the more you know. Some strategies and words are beginning to gel and I’m slowly compartmentalizing where bits of information, strategy, words, etc., go.
02-26-2020 01:27 PM
#14
tleagle (Member)
Below are the results as of yesterday.

So, earlier in the guide I chose the countries with the best ratio of impressions to conversions. This was done twice. Then, pulling the report for websites, I optimized for the best ratio again. With both report groups, it was arbitrary how many were eliminated or kept. I didn't want to eliminate too many. After the first website cull, I increased the bid. I also chose to keep in a few websites that were not profitable, but had given a high number of impressions. With this second cull, I chose to only keep the profitable websites, despite eliminating websites that had relatively high impressions. My hope is that with another bid increase, I might be able to generate more impressions, and that those more impressions will convert. My theory is that these particular websites have an audience that is more favorable to this smartlink, hence the higher conversion ratio. AND, if that's the case, by bidding higher I'll be able to get more of that audience to see the smartlink, and have even more conversions.
With the profitable websites I chose to leave them in and restart the campaign. I increased the bid to 0,0005 hoping that gets me more impressions. That was late last night. This morning, I checked in, and it seems that the impressions are gathering very slowly and my budget is being spent very slowly. Did I perhaps cut too many websites? Or, perhaps since this might be higher quality traffic, it's ok that spend and impressions are gathering a bit more slowly?
I'll probably do one more update here after this campaign spends down. Reading has already begun on the 40 day guide....and I did read a couple of the Push Ads blog posts on Voluum and Zeropark. I promise I will stick to the 40 day guide first though. Also, I'm going to budget more time per day to the 40 day guide. I'm hoping two hours plus some at night and at least one hour in the morning. Along with the "additional reading" linked posts within each day, and the comments/updates for each day's threads, there seems to be a lot to read. Then I also have to do the actions. Hmmm, will definitely need to sneak off at the office to read more and be prepared for my night time efforts.
02-26-2020 04:25 PM
#15
twinaxe (Senior Moderator)
Did I perhaps cut too many websites?
It´s hard to tell without knowing how many placemenst you killed and how big they are.
Did you check the traffic estimator for avialable volume?
Also did you increase the bid in the running campaign?
If yes, it´s better to create a new campaign for a new bid.
I had the situation few times when I increased the bid in a running campaign that the campaign suddenly tanked.
Along with the "additional reading" linked posts within each day, and the comments/updates for each day's threads, there seems to be a lot to read. Then I also have to do the actions.
Reading is all good and fine but it will never beat pratical knowledge.
You can only learn how to run campaigns when you run campaigns
02-27-2020 11:44 PM
#16
tleagle (Member)
Twinaxe, I did neither of those. Not sure where I would check the traffic estimator in PopAds. Is the estimate for each site individually? I tried to keep in sites that had shown a decent volume of clicks already AND had shown conversions in a profitable ratio. My hope was that by keeping only those sites, and also increasing the bid, I would get even more clicks from an audience (on that website) that had shown a likelihood to convert.
However, looking at the results below, it seems I picked websites that had slow traffic to begin with. So, it doesn't appear that my bid increase did anything. By the way, I did not think to copy and create a new campaign. I will do that next time.
The way I'm reading the results below is that by culling the websites, I was able to increase my earnings per click, but not get profitable. As I kept cutting in later days, all I was doing was eliminating traffic, and that decreased the likelihood of converting. Now, in this effort, there was no real A/B testing. There was no baseline or different campaign to compare to; only the previous day's results. Perhaps to turn this campaign to profitability I would revisit some of the websites or countries that were eliminated due to low clicks and instead apply the bid increase there. Perhaps I would also apply the bid increase to other websites with low, but not the lowest, click volumes. My thinking is that perhaps these are higher quality website audiences and therefore with more clicks the conversion ratio will reveal to be there and higher.
Anyway, the campaign is still going on it's last $4 now for the last two days. So, it's spending super slowly (only 0,06 today!). PopAds says it is throttled because there is less than $15 in the budget and the daily budget. Unless, I hear otherwise, I'm just going to let this spend down and check in twice a day. While that happens, I will continue to "learn how to run campaigns when I [you] run campaigns." Thanks for the response twinaxe! I'm continuing on the 40 Day Guide.


02-28-2020 04:13 PM
#17
twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by
tleagle
Not sure where I would check the traffic estimator in PopAds. Is the estimate for each site individually?
It´s at the bottom of campaign setup
And no, it´s not for each site individually.
It´s for the targeting you set.
I tried to keep in sites that had shown a decent volume of clicks already AND had shown conversions in a profitable ratio. My hope was that by keeping only those sites, and also increasing the bid, I would get even more clicks from an audience (on that website) that had shown a likelihood to convert.
When you cut all placements apart from the profitable ones with conversions you probably cut too much so that there was not much traffic left.
Your conversions are just not enough to make such decisions, especially not with payouts of $0.01 or so.
The way I'm reading the results below is that by culling the websites, I was able to increase my earnings per click, but not get profitable.
DSon´t try to focus too much on earnings per click/view or running at high ROI.
Yes, it is important and good to check such numbers but in the end it´s all about the
profit.
When you cut too many placements to keep a high EPC and ROI but the price for it is that you have no volume left then it´s not worth it.
In such situations it´s better to run at lower ROI but with more volume so that you have eventually a higher profit.
My thinking is that perhaps these are higher quality website audiences and therefore with more clicks the conversion ratio will reveal to be there and higher.
Exactly, running on higher bids is not only about more volume.
You can also get traffic from better placements that don´t send traffic when you bid too low.
Btw, it´s better when you would upload your screenshots to imgur.com or gyazo.com and then insert the image here.
That way it´s much better to see.
02-29-2020 04:46 PM
#18
tleagle (Member)
First thank you twinaxe for checking in and the multiple responses. I know you have your own stuff going on, and have read several of your other posts (darn I need to stay focused).
I paused the first campaign. It was still spending very slowly, probably due to the lack of traffic on the websites that were left in.
Interestingly, I discovered there are several links embedded within the report. These provide individual statistics for that particular website. I checked all of my existing "included" websites and saw that very few of them had raw traffic that exceeded 10,000. I guess that could explain why the impressions were so low. Of course, low impressions, with just one or even a few conversions, gives a nice ratio, but that is misleading for scaling up.
Therefore, I began clicking into each website ID, after sorting by conversions. The list is very long and I probably looked at the statistics for about half of the websites before I began skipping every other one. The websites with traffic greater than 75,000 unique visitors were written down.
I have copied and renamed the campaign. This 2nd campaign includes the most recent websites with the re-addition of the ones I just discovered that have more than 75,000 unique visitors, from when the campaign was first set up. My hope is that with the higher bid of 0,0005, I can capture more impressions leading to more conversions. Some of the websites show average bids of 0,0008 or higher. Perhaps I should go that high? Just waiting for this new campaign to be approved. Hopefully, this will spend much quicker and have some results to show.
At this point I have spent $14,29 on PopAds, and have made $6,029 on Mobipium.
Regarding the websites, it was tedious to click each individual ID in the report. Hoping I could sort, I exited to the PopAds Dashboard, and clicked on Inventory. That only brought up a table of countries, with additional information regarding service providers, OS, etc. Inside of my campaign's report, when clicking on the website ID, there some interesting statistics. Selections to include were based on the number or raw and unique visitors. However, I did notice that PopAds also assigned a QUALITY RATING and a PERCENTAGE rank. I noticed that the lower the rating (1 star to 5 stars), typically the higher the percentage (closet to 100%). So, I did try to select a few websites that were higher quality and were in the lower percentile. Correspondingly, the average bid was higher for these websites.
I really should just move on from this, but I can't help it. Just one more day to look at this new campaign's results and then I promise to myself that I will execute on the 40 Day Guide instead. BTW, the 40 Day guide is very time-consuming for me. Though, it's due to my extra efforts to read more of the module relevant info in Follow Alongs. I've only read through the first two modules. It's very interesting and I'm seeking out others' Follow Alongs. That is why the time is adding up. It's very tough to just act. "Just act!" That's me yelling at myself.
03-01-2020 01:42 PM
#19
twinaxe (Senior Moderator)
It´s great that you try to discover all the stats on Popads but do yourself a favour and don´t go too deep into it.
It won´t help you much and only distract you from the real important things.
Therefore, I began clicking into each website ID, after sorting by conversions. The list is very long and I probably looked at the statistics for about half of the websites before I began skipping every other one. The websites with traffic greater than 75,000 unique visitors were written down.
Such stuff for example is what I mean.
Don´t judge and choose websites just by such stats, run them, test them and then judge them only by your own stats.
Just because they show volume on Popads doesn´t tell much and most important, it won´t show you if they convert or not.
A website with 1000 visits a day that converts is much better than a website with 1 Million visits a say that doesn´t convert.
03-02-2020 01:18 AM
#20
tleagle (Member)
You are very right, it seems. Below are the last results. I'm moving on, and hope to return to this thread some day for the laughs. Thank you to everyone for all of the help, especially twinaxe, Vortex, and ivantheterrible. Onwards and upwards!!!

BTW, tried using an image from a URL instead of uploading directly to STM. In other forums, when the image is from a URL it shows in-line and full size. Not sure what I did wrong, but will seek that out before I begin my 40 Day Follow Along.
03-02-2020 12:12 PM
#21
twinaxe (Senior Moderator)
and hope to return to this thread some day for the laughs
No need to laugh, better look back then and be proud about the progress you made then
BTW, tried using an image from a URL instead of uploading directly to STM. In other forums, when the image is from a URL it shows in-line and full size. Not sure what I did wrong
Important for it to work is that you get an image URL with file ending (like *.jpg or *.png).
I always use imgur.com or gyazo.com
Let me show you exactly how it works.
I just made a screenshot of your sentence and uploaded it to Gyazo, you can see it here
https://gyazo.com/eb436acaef2571f6a142be1f6509e910
This won´t work because as you can see in the URL there is no file ending.
When you then right click on the image and choose to copy the image URL or open the image in new tab then you get the direct URL to the image with file ending, in this case it would be
https://i.gyazo.com/eb436acaef2571f6...1f6509e910.png
This URL works to upload images here.
Just click on the symbol
Then choose the "From URL" tab
Insert the image URL with file ending and uncheck the checkbox
On imgur.com it works exactly the same, you need the URL with the actual file ending like this
https://i.imgur.com/BVuWHsn.png
And that´s all
03-16-2020 09:04 AM
#22
vortex (Senior Moderator)
I really should just move on from this, but I can't help it. Just one more day to look at this new campaign's results and then I promise to myself that I will execute on the 40 Day Guide instead. BTW, the 40 Day guide is very time-consuming for me. Though, it's due to my extra efforts to read more of the module relevant info in Follow Alongs. I've only read through the first two modules. It's very interesting and I'm seeking out others' Follow Alongs. That is why the time is adding up. It's very tough to just act. "Just act!" That's me yelling at myself.
I know there's a fine line between not-enough analyzing and over-analyzing, but I feel that your inquisitive nature and willingness to drill down into data the way you did can be very valuable.
If by analyzing stats in that kind of detail, you notice trends that can help you save money, or target better, or bid more wisely etc. - then that can be your edge, your leg-up on the competition.
Of course taking action is important, but sometimes, sitting back and contemplating and analyzing is important as well.
It's like firing a gun - both AIMING and FIRING are important. It's just a matter of developing that "sense" or "hunch" that will help you decide how much time to spend on analysis vs. action. But over time we all get better.
I see that you've started a follow-along on the 40-day tutorial - will check that out and follow you there!
BTW, tried using an image from a URL instead of uploading directly to STM. In other forums, when the image is from a URL it shows in-line and full size. Not sure what I did wrong, but will seek that out before I begin my 40 Day Follow Along.
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twinaxe showed you one way. The one I use is this:
1)Take a screenshot (I use LightShot:
https://app.prntscr.com/en/download.html).
2)Go to imgur.com and paste it.
3)Click on the 3 dots that are super-imposed on the image, then click "Get share links", then click the "Copy Link" for "BBCode (Forums)":
4)Go to an STM post and paste the link.
Nice and simple!
Amy
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