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Journey to **Consistent** Profits 📈 (31)

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Hi guys,

I finally decided to start my follow along. You know: new year, new me, new challenges

I will try to be as much open as I can. I know then this FA could help other people in the future + it could be easier to get help from other, more experienced guys (hopefully you will visit this FA sometimes haha).

Also I wanted to create this FA because my last year (first full year with paid traffic) was full of ups-and-downs. It looked like this:




I had days when I earned like $300 but after that I was losing money and next month was pretty bad.

There was a few reasons of that. Probably the first one is that I'm still learning. But the second could be that I'm pretty lazy when I see profits. I wanted to open this FA to motivate myself in some way.

⚽My aim of this FA:
[ x ] Find plan & system to consistently earn $5k / month
[ x ] Make at least once (hopefully more often) 4 figures in one day


⚒️ Problems to solve:
[ ✅] I have problem with spying landing pages. In 80-90% of cases when I use SpyPush I see cloaked / redirect pages and because of that I almost don't test new landing pages and I use one, proven and improved by myself earlier.

How I solved it: I bought VPN. It was soo important. Before that even if I spied I saw wrong LP (english or my own language - polish). Now I use SpyPush + HMA and I see much much more. I also read one post on the STM by twinaxe and took his advice and I spy on smartlinks. I found some good landers which I'm going to test. I also use WebScrapBook for Chrome. This plugin helps me download lander and then I clean it in a few minutes.

[ x ] I made 80% of my income with 1 type of offers (it's dating mainstream, probably one of the most popular - I don't want to write exact names but guys in dating niche probably knows what is the offer). Problem is that I can't makes it long-term because quality was always bad after a while. Only in one GEO I could make it long-term for both sides. I tried different creatives, I didn't lie on LP but still quality was bad and I had to stop traffic. When I tried different offers they were more adult than mainstream dating or it simply didn't work for some reason. So second problem to solve is the proper way to testing new offers and verticals. Right now I get offers from SpyPush (but similar to LP it's more often cloaked) and I get it from AM. I tried sweeps as well and I have one which is earning something but after advertiser reject invalid leads I'm only about +10-20% ROI + Monetizer earnings.

[ x ] Good way to make consistent profits could be Monetizer but when campaign die or I have to stop traffic because advertiser don't like quality it's hard to keep spendings = Monetizer earnings decreases. So I have to find the way to keep spendings high while being around 0% ROI at least.

[ x ] I use PropellerAds to 90% of my campaigns. I'm not sure if I can achieve my goal only with Propeller. I also use RichPush but for some reason their CPC for HQ push clicks are 3-4x higher than on Propeller. So I use them only when I want to scale after my advertiser approve quality (which is not regular case). But hopefully I can get my goals with Propeller + Richpush + Monetizer only. If I'm wrong please correct me.


🗒️Action plan:
[ x ] Now I'll test new offers only with my BL and on HQ (or on All Quality when CPC is much cheaper - in some GEOs it was for me better to pay less on LQ than more on HQ even if CR was better on HQ)

[ x ] I have pack of landers from Adplexity for $1. If I can't find landers on spy tool because they are cloaked I can use LP from Adplexity and just translate them.

[ x ] I have to run campaigns smarter. For example when in some GEO there's a lot of Nutra offers it could be hard to run there cheaper offers with $2 payout. So I should pick GEO + vertical better.

[ x ] I will test more sweeps and then nutra offers and I will focus on these 2/3 verticals.

[ x ] Increase volume to make more money from Monetizer with keeping at least 0% ROI on campaigns.

[ x ] Stop being lazy after seeing profits

[ x ] More action, less motion. I used to be thinker than doer. I have to change it.

I think that's it I'm open to some comments, advices. If some of my points are wrong feel free to let me know about it.

Let's make 2020 big!

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I also have the Adplexity $1 lander pack it’s very useful for sure and a pretty good deal. Would be great if they were translated into like every language would make things super easy haha but can’t complain for $1. have you always ran on push for the whole year. I’m just getting started on push only 2 weeks into it roughly. Good luck with your follow along

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Yeah but while we'd translate them, it should be easier to test quickly. But IMO still the most important thing is matching offer + geo. I had offers which were working even with DL and every creative which I used.

I run push since January 2019. But now I know that I joined STM too late. And there were months were I was more focused on some other stuff than running campaigns. Plus my test budget is not that big. Ah, and I also didn't run too much paid traffic earlier (5 months native ads). Not sure if my progress is big enough but hopefully I can change it in next months

I follow your FA as well, good luck to you too!

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Quick update how this month looks like. Similar to the previous one it's good.


This includes around $50 / day from Monetizer

But. 70% of profits and spending (from campaigns) are generated by one offer from one GEO. It was working good for the advertiser on the beginning but often later on for some reasons it stops making sales and I have to stop campaign / my payout is decreased and campaign is not as profitable as it was. That was the case many times so I'm not excited too much. Day after tomorrow my AM will be back in the office and we'll see if I can keep it longer and how quality looks. If it's good, then great because I can scale by simply raising bids, duplicating campaigns etc. There's a lot volume.

In the same time, yesterday I found one offer which looks good and suit my one, big and previously proven GEO (I had to stop working offer there because quality for advertiser wasn't good).



Yeah, it's -45% ROI but there's almost no data. Cap limit is very low so I had to start slowly. After turning off not working creatives I think I can maybe manage this campaign to break-even (maybe even profits). If quality will be good and I could scale then I can earn on this campaign from Monetizer. At least that's the plan.

I started this campaign on HQ with some widgets removed from previous campaign (but not my full BL and maybe that was mistake, I added them today). But HQ in this GEO is almost 100% more expensive than All quality. So sometimes switching to All helps. But for now I leave it on HQ and see how it will be today.

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congrats on this!! this is awesome! are you able to put that dating offer to another geo? that is what I usually do.

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The working one? Yeah Actually I did run it whole 2019. For some GEOs it was working for some period of time, for some GEOs it wasn't profitable for me but in most cases after I while I had to stop campaign because of quality. My creatives and landing page are really not spammy. I'm not sure what I can do more. But for example one GEO has good quality for advertiser. So maybe that's the case where I can't do nothing more.

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What is this pack? Is this is the one that one can download in the forum, or another one?

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it is a deal that adplexity ran awhile back it was a big pack of landers for $1. I got it through a email they sent out a few months ago I am not sure if they still sell it to be honest you'd have to ask adplexity support i suppose.

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Haha, this is so common in our industry

You may try different spy tool like Adplexity, they save the landers in ZIP file, it's also not 100% uncloaked, but they are pretty good with catching stuff in the wild.

Once you find a winner I would definitely port it to as much sources as you can, especially as you see these ups and downs...make those ups counting

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Thanks for replies Erik

Yeah, I remember when I was using it when it was free and you're probably right. They somehow finds landers better than SpyPush. When my subscription to SP will expire I will move to Adplexity.


The problem is for now I usually can't scale because after a while and caps limit 50-100 I have to stop campaign. But when I will find something what I could move, I will definitely do it. I really like PropellerAds, RichPush not so much because they don't really have good quality selection (or it's too expensive). If you'd name some 2, 3 good traffic sources to start scaling for the start what would it be?

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Dating and push simply works like this, the quality is totally hit or miss. I've mentioned it a few times already, but let me repeat it again: looks like it's caused by the networks themselves, it might be the algo rotation, the high frequency of messages or something else... one way or another, guys who are running their own push lists are not seeing this problem that frequently. Maybe consider building your own push list?

Another option is to mix the traffic up a bit, feed in some higher quality social media traffic, or look for escort traffic, that works wonders with dating offers. It's not easy to get it and guys who know where to find it won't tell you... but it's out there

With dating, the offer is everything, as you have already experienced yourself. These days, it's good to look for direct advertisers and try their offers... vipoffers, topoffers, dateprofits... there are many to choose from. Or find affiliate networks that have exclusive offers or at least their own whitelables... advidi, rebll, unitedgap... these worked well for me.

I have the same problem... even after all those years in AM I tend to lose focus and deal with other stuff as soon as I optimize the campaigns, I guess we are all fighting this problem at times. I know I'm losing money this way, but that's how I am

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Thanks for all advices Matuloo. They are really helpful.

I read before you posts about algo rotation but I was sure that means only leads and conversions - not quality on the advertiser side. But it looks like it applies here as well.

I will join to all these advertisers you've mentioned. Before it I joined only to topoffers from them.

And as you are in the dating niche for so long I have a question. I run dating offers on push. But mainly mainstream. Offers with relationship purpose (most of cases I used Insparx offers). One time I read on STM pretty old post (probably wrote by Finch). He said that mainstream dating is harder and harder because there's not too many (good) offers. I experienced the same. While I still see many adult offers, there's just a few good mainstream and usually I have the quality problem anyway. I tried adult for a while but for some reason it didn't work for me. Do you think that I should try more adult dating offers and they can work on push as good (or even better) as mainstream? I was so focused on mainstream all the time but maybe it was mistake.

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This kinda "walks hand in hand" ... based on what people they show your ads to, the quality will vary too. So based on how the algo rotates the audience, the lead quality goes up and down. The networks get the push lists from all kinds of sources and their quality is not equal, some of those lists have people who are interested in dating, the others dont and since the networks have to sell it all (or want to) they need to mix it up.

In my opinion, the strongest part about mainstream dating offers, is that you can run them on more sources than adult. For example on native traffic... there is sooo much traffic available there. If you can master that traffic type, the scale is really big. With adult dating offers, the situation is a bit different ... the "mainstream" world looks down on these and this limits the traffic available for buying. Take the push networks for example, all allow mainstream dating, but only a few will let you promote adult stuff.

On the other hand, the monetization options are limited for adult traffic and dating remains the best option, so it's easier to find adult dating offers. And it will likely stay this way, adult traffic is not getting anywhere and it has to be monetized somehow, so adult dating is set to prevail for a long time to come.

Hard to say whether you should focus more on adult... in the end, these two (adult and mainstream dating) are similar... it's all about finding the right offer. You just work with different traffic sources. For me personally, it's easier to work with adult from some reason.

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Yep, you're right that native is very good for mainstream dating. To being honest my first offer on push I just moved from native campaign by accident. I tried RevContent in my first 5 months, then switched to push. Plus on native quality was very good. Advertiser never complained about it. But after a while placement which made me money on native disappeared and I stayed with push as I liked that CPC is more friendly for beginners + I don't have to deal with bot traffic (which I hated on native).

Anyway thanks a lot for explanation. I will try new ways for mainstream and also adult on push, let's see how it goes.

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Caps sucks, but what you can do is to scale into other geos.

Check if this advertiser operates in multiple geos, then you could easily take your existing landing page/funnel and translate it. There is high chance it will work in other geos too.

As for traffic sources, here are some more to try: Admaven, Evadav, Adsterra, Push.Adnow, Pushground, Zeropark.. best to test them all, as they can have different performances for different geos.

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Yeah that's actually what I do now - scaling to other GEOs but I think that big GEOs which are worth try are now over. So I need to move on.

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Campaign Update
Today I just got information that current working campaign is unprofitable for advertiser and as always I have to stop campaign. It's time to change some things. Of course I test some campaigns already but for now nothing interesting. Also today's news from Erik about Google Chrome and Push policy update is a bit discouraging. Because it also means that Monetizer could now work as good as it was and it's going to be harder to get subscribers through LP. I'm still going to run campaign on Push but maybe in meanwhile try other traffic sources. As they say: adapt or die.

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Dating on Push is exactly what you describe. Converts really well with decent creatives and landers, but 90% of the time the quality for the advertiser is garbage and you get booted from the offers within a week or two. There are exceptions in certain geos/offers as you have found.

Maybe switch from dating for awhile?

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Hmm, it may be some kind of solution. I just don't really want to move from dating because I know this vertical pretty well already. I have good, working landers, I know how creatives look like. I know what payouts and CR is okey. Plus I heard that sweeps on Push are not really different - it's also problem with quality and consistency.

Also moving from push to different traffic sources could be problem because here I know how to approach some things, I have BL, WL. But I just signed up to Taboola. I will try to run new dating campaigns for a few more days. Then I go to quick vacation and then it's Push Chrome update - it should tell us more if there's a point to stick with push.

Anyway I don't regret running push dating in last year. I could test fast (because approve is like 1 minute from adding campaign), without too many restrictions. I learnt a lot. I will use it in the future. In this traffic source or another. In this vertical or else

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Maybe you should really test adult dating ... approvals are usually fast too, the rules are kinda relaxed, there is a lot of offers and you can use the experience you gained with mainstream dating, since the core principles are the same with both mainstream and adult dating. Even the landing pages are almost the same, just a bit more "spicy"

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Yep, it can be easier than moving to something completely different. And for adult dating what traffic sources would you recommend? Push is still okey when I choose network which allows adult? Or maybe pop or something else like Traffic Junky (I heard about this but never tried tbh)?

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Push in adult will be similar to mainstream push... quite easy to convert, pretty frequent quality problems.

I see better results with standard banner traffic.

As for the sources, I like TrafficFactory the most, then there is Trafficjunky that you mentioned, trafficstars, exoclick... Check this thread for more info on traffic sources and where adult stands right now: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...rent-situation

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Quick update:

I was on 6 days holiday and finally I'm back on campaigns. After my main campaign died I was making a little bit from other campaigns + monetizer earnings. But of course when I don't spend much Monetizer earnings are also smaller.

I tried a few new dating offers but didn't find them working in long run. I'm going to test some new things from different verticals on Push + I opened account on Taboola and I want to try my tested, working offer there. I see it on some websites with taboola so it's a big chance it should works. I'm not really sure if that's good way of doing things - jumping from push to native but this offer really works. I just need traffic source, with good quality.


ROI is okey but only because of Monetizer which is included in these stats

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It's not a good idea to jump around a lot, without giving each source or traffic type a proper try. But in some cases it's necessary ... the truth is, it's not possible for everyone to make everything work. Sometimes it takes a special offer that you might not have or some specific LP that you don't have ... so instead of trying to break the wall with your head, sometimes it's really better to switch. Just do not make one switch after and then another

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Nothing new in my last campaigns. New campaigns are not profitable, monetizer is getting smaller and smaller.



I decided to keep launching campaigns on push at least until February to see how Chrome update could change the game. In case it will be bad I will move to native and Taboola.

In recent days I tested different offers from Prelinker, Advidi, MadOffers. But nothing worked yet. GEOs I tried were NL, FR, IT, PL. NL was good on first one, two days and then it crashed (as always small GEO in my case).

Right now I know at least what is my biggest issue - I don't have really system to find new offers. I spy, I join networks too but it's not really working for some reason. That's also why I don't really want to move to native / Taboola (and other traffic sources) - I'd change traffic source but it doesn't solve my problem with finding new, good offers and campaigns. I could maybe run my old offer longer but the problem still would be there if the offer wouldn't work.

Bad thing in this situation is that when I join networks and some of them have $250, $500 payout I can't even withdraw money. Sometimes even $100 and offer with $3 PO I see that there's no reason to losing money anymore. I have funnel and creative which worked before so I suppose that it should works with other offers too.

Or maybe it worked just because payout was too high? I'm not really sure.

Anyway there were also good things. I bought HMA and now I can spy much better. I see offers, landers from smartlinks etc. It really helps. So one thing from first post is solved

I also test new thing on my LP - information that user has to confirm e-mail after registration. I have problem with getting leads on DOI offers. SOI is working much better but I can't find many good offers for single opt-in. Maybe this information could help with DOI offers. If anyone has some advices about DOI offers it would be great.

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Didn't want to create new thread so I ask here.

Guys, how often do you change your creatives? Because if I run dating on HQ/MQ on Propeller for example I always thought that I don't need to do that. Because people are on the list only a few days anyway.

I also see people constantly running the same creatives on spy tools.

When you find good creative you change it despite of results/targeting? Or keep it as long as it works?

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Not necessarily in dating, but I know certain affiliates who haven't changed their creatives for push in months. And they still get volume, and they still get conversions.

Other affiliates refresh creatives every few days because volume drops.

I think this depends on the traffic source and its algorithm.

On propeller, I find if they're not getting as much money as they want (your CTR is too low for them to make them money), even if you are making money, they will throttle your volume until you change up the creatives. So you kinda have to find a balance there. One exception is really low bid camps (with H/M/LQ combined) seem to stay consistent, but you'll only make a dollar or two a day from those.

On other sources: advertiser, push ground, rich pops, etc. I've found that if you find a good creative, you can pretty much leave it running forever as long as it makes money.

Your mileage may vary

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I don´t run dating on volume on push but for my campaigns I have creatives that I use for several months already and they still work very good.

It´s not that much about changing the creative, it´s rather about getting the creative back in moderation queue when you see that volume drops.

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Thanks guys for advices. So that's who I thought - more important is to find good, working creative than rotating it all the time. It's time to rebuild my funnel a bit

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Exactly, a good creative is good and works for quite some time.

Then it depends a bit on the trafficsource what you do to get volume back.

First thing you should do is to change one element in the creative.

For example I like to use rather general icons so I can easily swap them and have no change in performance because my title and text stays the same.
This gets your creative back into moderation and often helps to get a new boost already.

When that doesn´t help just clone the original campaign with exactly same settings and stuff and see what happens

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Like I wrote in my last update in recent days I was focused more on funnel than on black/whitelisting/running new campaigns every 2-3 days.

Stats for past few days below. Nothing fancy and nothing what I really aim but at least it's not blood bath (maybe it should be? sometimes I think the more red, the bigger chance to get to the place I want faster)



as always these stats include Monetizer which is around $20-$30 per day

Okey, so what I was doing last few days?

I went back to my native GEO (PL) to test one new landing page which I ripped from smartlink (I took this idea from twinaxe guide about spying and it's great).

The funny thing is that I tested so many landers before and the one I had was always the best. So I was improving it but after some time it stopped working anyway.

So I tested my old, working lander vs new from smartlink. I just changed it a bit to suit my funnel (I changed adult photos/text to softer stuff).

The effect?



Note: I was reading a lot about statistical significance and I'd have some questions about that, but that's later. Anyway when I stopped landing page test it was over 90% in the calculator, I had over 5 conversions of difference between my two landers - all what I read in caurmen's guide. But after that second lander get some late conversion and result dropped below 90%. Anyway I'm pretty sure it was improve because later on I translated new LP and moved to another GEO and it was also better.



Okey, I was pretty excited from the effect. So I started to read more about optimization and more "one weird tricks" from STM to get your lander from 20% ROI to 200%. Actually that's pretty cool. I like it much more than just black/whitelisting campaigns. It's more entertaining + you can keep the volume. I think I changed my approach a bit after another read of this Finch thread. Of course you have to keep healthy balance between BL/WL and improving funnel but still.

I got my new landing page and changed it. Colors, some words, call to actions. Bunch of staff.

And I open champaign again



Yeah, stats for control LP are worse than on previous screen but this test was done in some bad hours and on another day. Anyway the new LP smashed the old one.

This time statistical significance is there for sure:



But my question is: Do I have enough data? Like I wrote before result is over 90%, it's over 5 conversions between 2 landing pages. All what caurmen said in his guides is there. But I'm not sure if 4 hours of data is enough?

Okey, that was nice. Getting your campaigns higher and higher without removing placements is awesome feeling. I know that profit is not impressive but at least I've learned a lot

I still have problem with offers but it may be bad funnel. Because it's more suited for mainstream dating than casual/adult. I will try to change it in next days because there's not much mainstream dating offers which works good.

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Great stats amigo

Yes, it´s often helpful to have several different offers running in case one offer goes down.

It´s also good to keep testing new offers with a few % of the traffic so that you have a replacement for your funnel when something happens to your main offer.

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