Adult Dating Follow Along With Binom (46)
Hey guys
After lot of failed campaigns, I am back with budget again and this time I am not gonna give up. I remember my huge mistakes last time, now I am opening this follow along to receive help from you guys. This time, I had chosen a small GEO so that costs will be lower.
Campaign setup:
Banners - 5 (ripped and edited)
Landers - 2 (1 ripped and 1 new)
Offers - 2 (completely different offers from different networks.)
Traffic source- TF
Budget - $50 per day
I am gonna leave the campaign to gather 3x offer payout.
5(banners)*2(landers)*2(offers)*$2.5*3= $150
I will pause the campaign once $150 is spent and will post updates here.
Campaign is live now.
Update:
It's been 2 days since campaign started. 1st day, received about 4 conversions and it's in negative ROI. 1st day cost is about $23. Not much traffic. 2nd day only 2 conversions and 2 days spent is $53.
Everytime I launch a campaign, 1st days it looks okay, some conversions will show up but from 2nd or 3rd day, everything drops. Any idea what might be wrong?
My total budget for initial test is $150 but only it spent $50 so far, not much promising results so far. I am receving about 100K impressions, 1st position in bidding.
ANy recommendations?
I also noticed that from the tracker, I can see that I am receiving about more than 50 clicks from 2 ip addresses each. 2 days clicks were 200 clicks from these 2 ip addresses, I checked those ip addresses and they are from same country and are residential.
Any idea what could be wrong?
Is there a way to block those ip addresses?
They are messing stats in the tracker.
Also do you want me to add another GEO also because I put $50 budget in the campaign and all it spends is only $20, not much traffic.
I will post updates tomorrow.
Update: 9th June,2019
I have main campaign(Banners 1), additional pop(additional), last pop(cams). Here are the overall stats for all campaigns.Attachment 21425
Main campaign stats:
Main campaign banners:
Main campaign landers:
Offers:
I am gonna pause banners 1,2 and 3; removing offer(id 7) ; add 1 offer and gonna send some more traffic.
Question:
Do I have to dd more variations of banners 4 and 5 or else gather data with these 2?
Hello chandhu.
Question:
Do I have to dd more variations of banners 4 and 5 or else gather data with these 2?
It's hard to say what part of your funnel is causing the problems, could be the banners, could be the LPs or even the offer. The traffic source you are using is solid, so the problem won't be there. I'm not familiar with
Some tips for you:
1. TF is solid, but just in case, try to check the traffic breakdown. Does the GEO match your selection, do the languages match the desired ones too (in some GEOs it's a problem with TF).
2. Do not try to be #1 bidder, 3 or 4 is more than fine.
3. You need to figure out where your biggest problem is. Try to test different offers to see if it improves. Then try different banners, then LPs. Do not change all of it at once though, as it would become a mess. You need to take it 1 step at a time, in order to find out where the weakest spot is.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Originally Posted by matuloo
Originally Posted by matuloo
2. Yes, thanks for the tip. I already reduced my bid 5 cents down. I am at 2nd position now. Gonna further reduce the bid.
3. Okay I will test different offers.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Have a small question.
1. How to deal with timezone in TF and tracker? I can use same timezone that I live in (both tf and tracker) or else some other thing? If it's same and no problem, how can I use day parting? I mean, when updating cost in tracker, do I have to convert timezone to target country's timezone?
I am sorry for my bad English.
Originally Posted by matuloo
It's hard to reach 100% accuracy here, since not all sources use the same timezone. When updating costs, you simply have to pay attention to be using the correct data, for the corresponding hours. In most cases, I just take the total figure for the day and updates the costs based on that. Of course I try to make sure I work with the same time frame, but sometimes it's a bit off anyways. The CTR fluctuates throughout the day anyways, so if I really wanted accurate data, I would have to update every single hour separately, which is too much effort. When in doubt, I load the stats by hour and just compare the results by using two browser windows. You will get used to this after a while, it's not like we really need super accurate figures to make optimizations.
Your english is more than fine
I further looked into the ip data and noticed that there are about 480 clicks from en-US language. Out of 480, 300 clicks are what I consider as bot clicks from 2 ip addresses. I checked these ip addresses and location matches the targeting and ISP is from Russia. I created a rule for en-US language traffic. Do I have to create any other rule like this?
About timezone and cost updation, I just selected my local timezone in both TF and my tracker. I am just entering total figure for the day into the campaign.
I reduced the bid 10 cents and checked my position again, I am 2nd or 3rd but receiving only about 5 to 10 clicks an hour. Is this normal?
Update- 12th June 2019
I ran it for 2 more days and here are the stats of the campaign.
I paused all offers today. On 10th June, offer(same offer that competitor is running) that is bringing in more conversions than other offers is paused in the network. I haven't received any alert from the network, so lost some conversions because traffic got redirected to smartlink from the network. I
tested 2 offers(1 offer running since beginning and 1 new offer) but no success. As you can see, I have problem with the offer I think.
Today, I added 2 new offers to the test(1 offer is similar to what my competitors are running and 1 new offer). This GEO doesn't have many offers, only 1 or 2. I only found 2 networks that has offers for this GEO(Tier 3).
Yesterday, I launched a new campaign and the results are same. I have a CTR of about 0.25 to 0.40 in TF and around $0.05 CPC. I think I can lower the CPC more.
At this point, what I have to do?
Can anyone recommend me some networks that have adult dating offers for Tier 3 GEOs mainly Europian countries?
Any suggestion is welcome.
I am targeting Portugal right now. If I lower my bid more, my CPC also reduces.
Advidi,Unitedgap,Brokerbabe,clickdealer,imaxcash,t opoffers,- I have accounts in all these networks. Only UnitedGap,Clickdealer have few offers for this GEO. TopOffers, it's a smarlink. Advidi, they don't answer my questions because because they don't waste time with small affiliates like me.
As per your suggestion, I will stops the campaigns tomorrow. I am testing new offers right now, if there are no possibilities, I will stop them tomorrow and pick another GEO.
May be I had chosen very small GEO that has not established properly as you said.
Originally Posted by chandhu
And since you mentioned smartlink, there are networks with pretty solid dating smartlinks, for example lospollos ... that can work too, they even have a gay version, which is again not that widely used by affiliates.
Thanks for suggesting me 2 good GEOs matuloo. You are always awesome. I will do some search on them today and possibly launch a campaign tomorrow or next day.
UPDATE:
Sorry for not updating for over 6 days. When @matuloo suggested some GEOs, I just messaged my AM and explained him what's happening. He said that this particular offer is performing well for mobile traffic and he asked me to dive in to mobile traffic. Next day, I launched campaign for mobile with 5 banners, 2 landers and 2 offers(1 from each network). Payout is about $2.5 and spent about $75. First 2 dys, not promising results but from 3rd day, was receiving close to 10 leads a day. After spending $75, I analyzed the campaign and here are the stats.
At this point, I paused banners 2,3,4, and only 1,5 are live. Both of the landers are performing equally and I just paused 1 randomly. Offers, 1 is performing good than the other, so paused 1. So for now, only have 2 banners,1 lander and 1 offer. Yesterday, I added 2 variations of the banners 1 each. Ran it for 2 more days. Here are the stats.
Landers and offers are same.
Here are overall stats for main campaign, pop under and back button.
https://i.imgur.com/80jOufF.png
I noticed that desktop and mobile CTR is so different. I am having a banner CTR of about 0.35 to 0.40 and LP CTR is about 15%.
If I am making any mistakes, please let me know. At this point, what I have to do next and what things I have to test?
PS: I asked my AM to check for quality on the back end and he said that no conversions on the back end yet but let's check after another 50 leads and he given 2 pay bumps to me. He is really very nice guy. I am not even using any misleading words with my creatives.
It's looking pretty good now, definitely better than before!
I already made that mistake and the result is as you said. After the optimization that I had done, performance dropped all the way down. No more conversions. I let it run for 2 more days and no change in performance.
Next day, I launched 2 more campaigns. New banners, new landers and same offers. For surprise, same offer that was performing good with 1st campaign and performance dropped after optimization. But here, with new campaigns, it performed okay. After letting the 2 campaigns run for 2 days, I noticed that only 2 banners in each campaign are bringing in conversions. I immediately paused those banners and another change I made is just lowered the bid by 2 cents. After the optimization yesterday, only 2 and 3 conversions in these 2 campaigns. Don't know what mistakes I am making. Can anyone tell me the order of optimization and when to add new creatives, when to pause the creatives etc ?
All of my banners have .35% ctr.
For smaller GOEs like this, how many days I have to let the campaign for before making any decisions?
I completely stopped desktop, only running mobile now.
Good going Chandhu. Waiting for your green conversions
Originally Posted by chandhu
So imagine you're fishing in a lake full of fish, but not all of them are the same breed. Let's say there 4 breeds :
1. carp - this fish will bite on anything, worms, corn or even a small fish used as a bait and sometimes they also bite on a classic plastic lure.
2. trout - this is a carnivore, so you can use small fish, lures but also worms. Many trouts are farm bred before being released into the wilds, so some of them will bite on anything they can spot.
3. pike - this is a typical predator fish, so plastic lures, live fish etc are the best to use. But since it's an aggressive fish, sometimes you can catch it with anything, as long as you cast the line close enough to an actual fish and provoke it to attack.
4. bighead carp - this fish breeds on algae and plankton, so it's pretty much impossible to catch it.
Now, an AD is your lure.
The best lure in this case is a WORM... a carp will gladly take it, so will a trout and if you are happy enough and cast it close to a pike, it will bite too. A worm is like the perfect banner. But these are hard to come by.
Then there is corn ... carps will bite, if you are lucky enough and cast it directly in front of a hungry farm-bred trout, it will bite too. But pikes are very unlikely to bite, unless you cast it directly on it's head and provoke an attack. Corn is like a decent banner. It will work decently, but you need to be lucky and serve it to the right fish.
Then there are breed specific plastic lures... for example designed to attract pikes. If you fish in a lake with heavy pike population it will work well, but carps wont give a shit. Specific lures are like weak banners. They can work decently with proper targeting, but if you go broad with them, they will fail.
And let's not forget about the bighead carp, no matter what lure you use here, it won't bite. This is the majority of the online users, they ignore ads.
When going fishing, you need to pick the right spot, otherwise you won't catch any fish. Pikes are usually close to the shore, waiting for small fishes to prey on. Carps are searching for food at the botton. Trouts literally swim around and you can find them everywhere, usually close to the water surface. So you need to use a different technique to catch each of these fishes. That's targeting in the advertising world. Target the wrong audience and it won't work.
Now, let's imagine that you start with a set of new banners. Some of them are worms, some corns and some plastic lures.
You cast all of them randomly and catch some fish, in other words you get some leads
Some worked better, some worse. But you don't know yet why some worked better.With the initial round of tests, it's possible that a plastic lure scored the best, because you were lucky enough and used them in a spot where several pikes were looking for prey. On the other hand, a worm banner might have bombed because you were serving it in a spot where mostly bighead carps rested. But as soon as you start to cast the plastic lure all over the lake, it's effectivity will go down a lot. On the other hand, if you do the same with a worm, you'd start catching more fish.
An it's the same with banners... the banners that perform the best early on, could be only working well with a specific audience that you were able to target from some reason, even pure luck. The buyers are visiting the sites randomly, you never know when the right surfers browse the site and see your ad. And since you are never able to buy all the rotation, you need to run long enough to have a chance to show all the ads to all types of surfers (fish breeds). This is what statistical significance means.
This is why it's so important to try and rotate several ads at the same time, since you never know what types of fish is looking at your ads at any given time. It's normal to be getting just "carp" clicks for an hour... serve them just "plastic lure" banners and you will lose money, but if you rotate some "worm" in the campaign too, you can still profit.
The goal of the optimization is to identify the worms and run those the most, but it's always a good idea to keep some other lures in rotation, in case they are still delivering solid performance.
Does it make sense?
Originally Posted by matuloo
So imagine you're fishing in a lake full of fish, but not all of them are the same breed. Let's say there 4 breeds :
1. carp - this fish will bite on anything, worms, corn or even a small fish used as a bait and sometimes they also bite on a classic plastic lure.
2. trout - this is a carnivore, so you can use small fish, lures but also worms. Many trouts are farm bred before being released into the wilds, so some of them will bite on anything they can spot.
3. pike - this is a typical predator fish, so plastic lures, live fish etc are the best to use. But since it's an aggressive fish, sometimes you can catch it with anything, as long as you cast the line close enough to an actual fish and provoke it to attack.
4. bighead carp - this fish breeds on algae and plankton, so it's pretty much impossible to catch it.
Now, an AD is your lure.
The best lure in this case is a WORM... a carp will gladly take it, so will a trout and if you are happy enough and cast it close to a pike, it will bite too. A worm is like the perfect banner. But these are hard to come by.
Then there is corn ... carps will bite, if you are lucky enough and cast it directly in front of a hungry farm-bred trout, it will bite too. But pikes are very unlikely to bite, unless you cast it directly on it's head and provoke an attack. Corn is like a decent banner. It will work decently, but you need to be lucky and serve it to the right fish.
Then there are breed specific plastic lures... for example designed to attract pikes. If you fish in a lake with heavy pike population it will work well, but carps wont give a shit. Specific lures are like weak banners. They can work decently with proper targeting, but if you go broad with them, they will fail.
And let's not forget about the bighead carp, no matter what lure you use here, it won't bite. This is the majority of the online users, they ignore ads.
When going fishing, you need to pick the right spot, otherwise you won't catch any fish. Pikes are usually close to the shore, waiting for small fishes to prey on. Carps are searching for food at the botton. Trouts literally swim around and you can find them everywhere, usually close to the water surface. So you need to use a different technique to catch each of these fishes. That's targeting in the advertising world. Target the wrong audience and it won't work.
Now, let's imagine that you start with a set of new banners. Some of them are worms, some corns and some plastic lures.
You cast all of them randomly and catch some fish, in other words you get some leads
Some worked better, some worse. But you don't know yet why some worked better.With the initial round of tests, it's possible that a plastic lure scored the best, because you were lucky enough and used them in a spot where several pikes were looking for prey. On the other hand, a worm banner might have bombed because you were serving it in a spot where mostly bighead carps rested. But as soon as you start to cast the plastic lure all over the lake, it's effectivity will go down a lot. On the other hand, if you do the same with a worm, you'd start catching more fish.
An it's the same with banners... the banners that perform the best early on, could be only working well with a specific audience that you were able to target from some reason, even pure luck. The buyers are visiting the sites randomly, you never know when the right surfers browse the site and see your ad. And since you are never able to buy all the rotation, you need to run long enough to have a chance to show all the ads to all types of surfers (fish breeds). This is what statistical significance means.
This is why it's so important to try and rotate several ads at the same time, since you never know what types of fish is looking at your ads at any given time. It's normal to be getting just "carp" clicks for an hour... serve them just "plastic lure" banners and you will lose money, but if you rotate some "worm" in the campaign too, you can still profit.
The goal of the optimization is to identify the worms and run those the most, but it's always a good idea to keep some other lures in rotation, in case they are still delivering solid performance.
Does it make sense?
That's really a lot of explanation and I really appreciate taking your time to write all of this. I clearly understood what you said and gonna implement now.
Add more banners to the rotation regualarly and let them run for longer like a week or so and make changes.
I have some questions.
1. When testing banners, some of them are receiving clicks as you explained here but no conversions. My average payout is like $3 and each banner spends $10 and if no conversion and ROI is greater than -30% , I am pausing that particular banner, Do you want me to proceed with that?
2. I think there's so much to learn about TF bidding strategy. Whenever I change my bid, clicks are still coming and each new bid is bringing different number of conversions. 2nd and 3rd position is bringing some conversions, if I go higher bid, budget is burning and less conversions. I see 1 affiliate running only 1 or 2 banners and he is at the top. 7 cents more than my bid, he tests new offers every week. Any tips on TF platform specifically about bidding?
Update: 22nd June 2019 to 25th June 2019
https://imgur.com/a/LexXF3q
I just paused offers and some banners. Landers, I haven't touched yet. Any suggestions will be welcomed.
I'm not using
ANyways, that one LP (LP4)seems to be clearly winning... multiple leads with very solid ROI. Not sure how long you've been running this and what's the rest of the setup, but it looks promising, try to push it more.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Anyways, that one LP (LP4)seems to be clearly winning... multiple leads with very solid ROI. Not sure how long you've been running this and what's the rest of the setup, but it looks promising, try to push it more.
I just checked and noticed that only offer stats were partial screenshots. LP4 is offer's lander and not a landing page that I am using. I had been running the both campaigns since 22nd June. Stats shown are for the period 22nd June to 25th June
Yesterday, I checked the stats for both campaigns and noticed that certain banners and lander combination are showing some green numbers. So, I split campaign 3 into 2 separate campaigns with banners and landers combination. Campaign 2 is running as usual. I will post updates after running them for 2 more days.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Tbh, all of this is making me confused and feel difficult to crack this thing.
Originally Posted by chandhu
The problem you have is that the funnel is not strong enough, so it performs well with certain traffic, but fails when you take it out broad and expose it to all the traffic. It's all coming down to the fishing analogy, you simply didn't find a "worm banner" yet... or the LP is not that universal or the offer is the bottleneck.
It takes a "bit" of testing to get all the parts right. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut here, you just need to improve the funnel and that can only be done via testing.
Originally Posted by matuloo
The problem you have is that the funnel is not strong enough, so it performs well with certain traffic, but fails when you take it out broad and expose it to all the traffic. It's all coming down to the fishing analogy, you simply didn't find a "worm banner" yet... or the LP is not that universal or the offer is the bottleneck.
It takes a "bit" of testing to get all the parts right. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut here, you just need to improve the funnel and that can only be done via testing.
Or does this depend and vary greatly?
Originally Posted by matuloo
The problem you have is that the funnel is not strong enough, so it performs well with certain traffic, but fails when you take it out broad and expose it to all the traffic. It's all coming down to the fishing analogy, you simply didn't find a "worm banner" yet... or the LP is not that universal or the offer is the bottleneck.
It takes a "bit" of testing to get all the parts right. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut here, you just need to improve the funnel and that can only be done via testing.
So, I decided to stop messing with Portugal. As you suggested 2 English GEOs, I have chosen New Zealand this time. Looks like NZ and Ireland have less traffic compared to Portugal, and also lp ctr is like 10% and I am having less number of conversions. Since I just started with NZ, gonna give it like $50 test and check if promising.
I will post updates after initial test.
Originally Posted by chinopaisa
Another thing to consider is the demo of a particular site, not all the sites have the same audience so naturally, the users have difference tastes too.
But generally speaking, once you find a worm it should work at least decently pretty much everywhere.
Originally Posted by chandhu
There is a ton of GEOs to try, so don't get stuck in one market when it doesn't want to work.
Update: 29th June to 2nd July
I switched to new GEO New Zealand and spied some funnels. I created about 4 banners and 2 landers and 1 proven offer that 2 other affiliates are running. AFter 2 days of testing, landers are eating the money, so I paused them and added 4 landers to the test and 5 new banners, 1 banner paused from the 1st test. So, here are the overall stats from 29th June to 2nd July.
https://imgur.com/a/EmUND2r
I am only receiving conversions if I am at the 1st position in bidding. Traffic is double the price of Portugal. Now, what should be my next step?
Stop this campaign or test more?
Do you suggest me to start a new campaign with new angles?
Anything is accepted. I just don't want to give up.
Originally Posted by chandhu
Jabong went over this today in another thread, check it out: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ading-Properly
Basically, there is always some space for improvement, but it's limited. You can get a paybump, but it will likely be something like 20%, so don't expect to get 100% (it does happen but its rare). You can also improve the LP ctr, but again it's not gonna triple and if it does, it will be because of some misleading element so the CVR will suffer. And the same goes for every part of the funnel, everything can be improved but there is a limit.
Another math related thing is to judge the creatives (banners) early, in order to not run banners that produce too expensive clicks. In case your clicks cost 10 cents, and you have a LP ctr of 10% that means an LP click is actually $1 each... in order for this to back out you need certain payout, so running offer that pay $2 with these numbers will simply not work, no matter what you do.
There is also the statistical significance that you need to pay attention to. In other words, you need certain amount of traffic and leads in order to be sure you're working with representative data and not coincidental results. Here is a recent thread on this, with some good links: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ce-is-reached-
When talking about statistical significance it's also important to use common sense in regards to what I posted earlier (about the expensive clicks and improvement possibilities). When you see that your numbers simply don't make sense, it's pointless to wait for any big significance certainty, that would equal to wasting money. A funnel that totally sucks will not improve with more traffic, you will just reach a high level of certainty that it sucks
To be honest, I go by the common sense and some kind of gut feeling most of the time. This comes with experience though, when I see the data after an initial test, I can pretty much tell whether it stands a chance or not, without using any calculators.
Quick Update: For the past 3 days, performance dropped and campaign is at - 30% to - 50% ROI continuously. I have banner ctr above .25% and lp ctr around 20% but not receiving many conversions. I just stopped the campaign as it's eating the budget. I have to start a new campaign, this time I will stop a campaign if I see above - 50% ROI after initial test. Initial spend will be $50.
Originally Posted by chandhu
So what happened, -30% isn't such a disaster... was there anything that stood out? Something that you could optimize/block at the traffic source?
Let me know when you have some numbers from the new campaign, so I can have a look.
Originally Posted by matuloo
-30% is after struggling with this campaign for almost 10 days I remember. After all that, I realised that I am wasting time on this campaign. Offer payout is low, conversion rate dropped, tested new offers, landers and banners but no use. So I decided to pause it.
Today I launched a campaign with 8 banners, 3 landers and 3 offers. LP CTR is like 5%, 1 lander has more than 10% ctr but it also dropped later. After spending about 25$, I quickly paused it. Had 3 conversions and total payout is 6$.
This is what happened.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Hey Matuloo, I got a campaign to -18% ROI this weekend, but over the next few days the ROI started dropping. Today it experienced an all time low of -90% ROI.
My banner CTRs remain same, but my LP CTR has tanked. I know there might be slightly better performance over the weekend, but from -18% to -90% is just crazy.
Is this banner blindness and if so, does it set in that quick?
Originally Posted by chandhu
Originally Posted by chinopaisa
And definitely check your funnel, sometimes there might be tech problems behind such dramatic drops in CTR.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Now I am into TrafficFactory as suggested by you people. Tried desktop 1st but switched to mobile now. These are the only 2 networks that I tested. I am using TrafficFactory only right now. No matter what I do and how many campaigns I launch, not able to reach close to breakeven also. Don't know if this is pure bad luck that's hunting me or some other thing.
Yesterday, I resumed the same campaign, paused all the landers, added 5 more landers(already tested with other campaigns) and ctr is about 10%. Just 3 conversions and nothing more.
Originally Posted by chandhu
With mobile, the LP ctr is always a bit lower... to be honest, I think desktop is a bit easier to optimize. The volume is limited, but that's not a bad thing for a newbie either. The results you had with desktop were that bad or why did you move into mobile?
Originally Posted by matuloo
When I was targeting Portugal, Desktop traffic didn't worked. I mean I am receiving clicks but offers not converted. Offer CR is 0.5% only, for every 300 LP Clicks I hve only 4 conversions. I contcted my AM and they said that this partiular offer is doing good on mobile but not good on desktop traffic. Since then, I sticked to mobile traffic even after switching to other GEOs.
Now I will switch to desktop and see what happens.
Originally Posted by chandhu
When one geo doesnt work, it doesnt automatically mean that you cannot work with desktop at all. I would suggest to try both, anytime you test a new offer or GEO. Desktop can be easier to manage, but the real volume is in mobile for sure.I'm personally using all devices, desktop, tab and also mobile. In some geos I do better with desktop, in some with tablets and in some it's mobile that delivers the best results... it also depends on the competition in any particular step, so testing all devices is the best approach.
Hey Matuloo,
The biggest problem I am facing right now is that the data and conversions are not consistent.
I know I am not running volume, and spending about $50-70/day right now.
But for 30 campaigns now, seems like everytime when I get to a point where I run a campaign, after a few days (Let's say spend $100 or $150) I'll take a look at the stats.
Let's just say overall ROI is -50%, but there seems to be some promising flows/landers/banners combo.
So then I go ahead and cut the non-performing or "worst" banners/landers. And theoretically I should see ROI increase...... but almost every single time I have done this, it doesn't....
For whatever reason, the ROI actually drops, or stays around the same.
How can I "optimize" when after optimizing, my performance actually DROPS?
And I feel like I am digging deep in the data, etc. etc.
I can understand if this happens once in a while, but I don't think I can think of a single time when after I've optimized the campaign has done better....
Also, I understand there may be some variance with day of the week, competitor coming in and bidding, or maybe even banner blindness (although it's only been a few days)..... but I honestly don't think I can recollect a SINGLE time, where after I optimized, the campaign performed as I expected.
PS. These days I am running on TJ - RT and YP.
What are your thoughts?
Originally Posted by matuloo
Yet another reason to read FA threads: random fish analogies
Originally Posted by jabong82
Originally Posted by jaybot
Yet another reason to read FA threads: random fish analogies
And I'm far from being a genius, it's just that once you do something for a few years, some things simply start to come together
OK thanks @matuloo, yeah this $2.9 payout MOB offer is a DOI
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