Leaving Mom's Basement 2019: Push Kingpin Status Dreams (20)
Introduction:
Hello friends! Ever since I was a young lad I knew I wanted two things in life:
- Get Rich
- Bang Bitch
Like a good Christian man.
It is for these reasons that at the young age of let’s say 15-16 I got introduced to “the game”. Unfortunately, I was scared. Seeing all these wickedfire people making mad cheese and I was like, damn these fellas that much better than me?! So I never really gave paid traffic an honest shot, as I was scared to lose money and suffered from extreme paralysis through analysis.
Nonetheless, I did “alright” for a young lad with barely a full set of pubic hair. I mostly did SEO - “product review” keywords and such. Had a somewhat decent system/template going. Also anyone remember back in the day FB advertising coupons + VCC game? That was a nice little hustle with solid ROI when you had a system going (kinda hard not to have positive ROI when your costs were like $11 total for $250 worth of FB ads).
Anyways, did some really, really, really dumb shit after that (I was in the ecomm game before it was popular, lets just say). But that tragic comedy is for another time.
Long story short, I am now a washed up 23, almost 24 year old. Haven’t fucked with Aff/CPA marketing in years, but because of my semi-successful attempts at hustling back when I was 15-17ish I still have a decent understanding of the game. The bylaws undoubtedly change but the immutable core laws do not. Essentially, I haven’t been in this game for years but because of my previous experience I’m not completely green.
Most recently, I spent 13 or so months working in the Canadian far north, doing the fly in - fly out thing, say 3 weeks on 1 week off. Working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, for 3-4 weeks at a time. Often in extremely cold weather too! Like -40c cold! But due to cheap oil prices, and what I feel is a fast approaching economic downturn, once we wrapped up the gold mine project in the Yukon I got laid off. So, since the end of December I’ve been riding the employment insurance gravy train (actually, its pretty fucking far from gravy). Unfortunately, I’ve honestly been pretty much just smoking weed full time for these past 5 months and partying. Well, it's about time to put the joint down and start putting in work, because well also the application deadline for going to school for software engineering fast approaches and I would like to give making monies online a solid shot before I resign myself to 5 years of schooling only to enter the corporate world where I will undoubtedly begin the climb to middle management and a life of silent desperation and regret.
Current Stats:
-Living in Ma’s and Pa’s basement on the EI train (2K CAD a month, yeet!)
-23 years old, washed up and unwashed
The Game Plan:
Well, as the title clearly indicates, I plan to start off with Push traffic. It seems thats whats popping and locking these days. Still semi-fresh, lax rules, cheap traffic, every newbie like me rushing to it to jack up bids etc! What's not to like?! Of course Mother Google is going to nerf this source probably sooner, rather than later, but alas, make hay while the sun shines!
Making a Push database a la the method posted by Xesturgy here seems, THICK. SOLID. TIGHT. But I feel that:
- My #1 priority right now should be to figure out the in’s and out’s of push traffic and optimization in general before trying to build my own push list.
- Bids are probably, maybe getting jacked up since newbies like me read that post and are rushing to it.
- It seems riskier simply because google might nerf push traffic, and building your own push list is something that takes time. And that push list could lose its value overnight should google nerf it.
It is for these aforementioned reasons, that my current plan is to simply work on getting acquainted/profitable on regular push traffic networks (feel free to tell me if I’m an idiot and should immediately start bidding 50c on advertizer per tier 3 push opt in).
I got about lets say, uh, uh $5000 CAD to spend on achieving PUSH KINGPIN STATUS. And like well, still got at least a few months of that sweet, sweet, $2k CAD a month in the form of employment insurance. I plan on running lowish payout offers, say offers with a payout at or below $10 USD.
So, enough about me and my plan, time to take action and #SpreadMyWingsAndFly and become a #BossBitch.
You can expect about 3 updates on this journal, or $50 in spend (whichever comes first!) before updates cease and I become just another sucker that thought he could make it! Godspeed!
In closing:
Thank-you for reading, I hope you are as excited as I am for the next 2-3 updates and/or $50 spend before this thread dies.
I must now go eat chicken, broccoli, rice - smothered in sriracha before I go to the gym followed by steam room. Gym = HEALTHY BODY HEALTHY MIND. STEAM ROOM = HELP SWEAT OUT THE 5 MONTHS OF ACCUMULATED THC COURSING THROUGH MY VEINS (Luckily I am low body fat and thus my body should clear out of THC relatively fast).
Thank you - you can expect a shitty update anywhere from 1-3 weeks from now full of excuses why I’ve done fuck all, followed by an update of my spending $50 and freaking out wondering why I’m not profitable.
Very truly yours,
JHustle.
To do/Questions:
a) Need to figure out tracking/which tracking I’m going to use. I feel like at my newbie stage I’m best to just choose one and get on with it instead of mentally masturbating over Voluums advanced #AI and other features which I am probably not ready to make use of anyways… so I’m thinking of going with Attila’s
b) Figure out hosting. Going to need a VPS here I’m assuming. Who’s the go to these days?!?! Do I need to invest in a CDN too for those Usain Bolt loading times, or you guys think I’ll be able to scrape by with a good old VPS for now?! I guess it depends on the GEO’s I’m going to be targeting and my load times in those GEO’s but I’m still all ears for people’s opinions!
c) Figure out which Push network’s I’m going to work with. I guess I should figure out which GEO’s I’m going to fuck with first. Tier 2/3 is probably the smart move, but I’m also no bitch, so I might fuck with Tier 1 geo’s aswell too (risk it for the biscuit). I got a few networks in mind already, but going to do some more research. I’m thinking focus on working with 2-3 networks at first. Anyways, definitely interested in people’s opinions for solid push networks to start with.
d) Figure out which CPA networks to work with. All the CPA networks I used to be in closed my account due to years of inactivity, except Abovealloffers (thanks for never losing faith), unfortunately AAO seems to be mainly focused on higher payout offers, CPS and the like. As mentioned due to budget constraints I’m focusing on them lower payout offers (sweeps, leadgen etc). All tiers (1-2-3) I suppose. Anyone with the in to them #fire offers killing it on push, hook me up baby. I’m going to try to keep my network amount small, so I can make them minimum payment thresholds and get them juicy $100 USD checks. But I feel I’ll probably have to join a decent number to have access to all the GEO’s, and the #hottest offers that are #killingit .
e) Figure out my spytool game. Can’t be going in blind, especially as a newbie. Haven’t done much, if any research on Push spy tools but I think there's only like two. Again, all ears to hear what people recommend so I can immediately start ripping people's hard work and running LPs with the clickjackers still there and wondering why my stats suck so much.
Hello 
Redtrack is a good tracker for sure. BTW: it's not Attilas, he's just promoting it.[QUOTE]e) Figure out my spytool game. Can’t be going in blind, especially as a newbie. Haven’t done much, if any research on Push spy tools but I think there's only like two. Again, all ears to hear what people recommend so I can immediately start ripping people's hard work and running LPs with the clickjackers still there and wondering why my stats suck so much./QUOTE]
Adplexity is the market leader, for push there is spypush that works pretty good. That's all you need
Cheers,
Matej.
You're in a VERY good position to succeed, BUT you REALLY have to want it - badly enough that you'll see it through NO MATTER WHAT.
You're in a REALLY good place right now in my opinion! Just based on what you've told us, you:
-Have ecom + aff marketing experience
-Are smart (based on your asking all the right questions and how coherently you organize your thoughts into sentences)
-Are young (I'm 20 years older than you and still learning every day) and healthy (especially after sweating out that THC in your system!)
-Have a lot of free time on your hands because you're not working (other than having to keep up your job-search efforts to continue qualifying for EI)
-Don't have a lot of expenses (I'm assuming your parents aren't charging you room and board?)
-Have spare cash to get something going (2k/month is more than what a lot of people have at their disposal in the beginning).
-Aren't under stress to "make things happen" by a certain deadline. Worse comes to very worst you blow your EI money and need to work a job and continue trying on the side. I don't imagine your parents would kick you out.
-Had the good sense to join STM AND start a follow-along to get feedback!
You have EVERYTHING going for you! You just need to keep at this for long enough to see SOME success to keep you going!
Just try to have fun with all this! Don't give up at $50!! You won't likely hit on your first profits at such a low spend (unless you're extremely lucky).
Focus on learning and testing in the beginning. Read every thread in the "push" subforum and take notes! Set reasonable daily budgets to control your spending. Make all the common newbie mistakes before opening the floodgates with higher daily spends.
I'll be expecting an update from you before long - don't go disappearing on us. OK?
Amy
Also: Although matuloo has answered all your questions already, I have some suggestions as well.
If you have trouble following through with things, why not give my 40-day tutorial a shot?
That way, you'd learn tracking and all the other basics. You run pop first, lock down a good offer+lander, then take that to push traffic and just test ads there.
That way it's easier because you'd have one fewer variable at the beginning. It would likely be cheaper too.
Now you REALLY don't have an excuse NOT to follow through!
I'll be looking out for your next update!
Amy
@jhustle Just wanted to check up on you. Please update us sometime on what you're doing.
Amy
Hi guys, sorry for not updating and disappearing for almost 2 months... and @vortex just want you to know that I read all your replies here as soon as you posted - don't think that they are in vain 
In an attempt to be more accountable I will start posting updates everyday - even if its just to post that I have submitted new ads. I will be giving an update as to what I have done - every single day.
OK - so what have I done so far in regards to push campaigns?
I ended up signing up for 3 different push networks - datspush, richpush, and exoclick. However I've only ran traffic so far on datspush and richpush.
My first campaign I launched was a dating campaign in MX and it went horrible - so I won't even get into it. I decided I was going to focus on different types of offers.
So what am I focusing on?
I then decided I was going to experiment with COD offers - I figured that with COD offers I wouldn't have to worry about traffic quality/getting booted off an offer as they are sale offers. Furthermore, looking at adplexity spytool I saw that there was a good amount of various COD offers being ran (dick, diet, etc). So that must mean that other people are making it work. Finally the last reason I decided to go with COD offers is because they come with premade landers - so I figured its one less variable to worry about - I simply get my text for creatives translated and find images and launch.
I am signed up to Dr.cash and Adcombo - and these are the two networks I have been running traffic to for COD offers. I've decided to focus on Central/East European geos and Asian geos due to cheaper costs.
Campaign #1 :
My first campaign that I launched was a weightloss offer in Poland with a payout of $18 USD @ dr.cash.
Right off the bat I made two mistakes.
1. I did not launch separate campaigns for mobile and PC.
2. I did not have my postback URL set up properly and therefore conversion data was not being passed back to my tracker (
I launched in both datspush and richpush. Unfortunately, I deleted my richpush campaign so I do not have a image to show, but below is my datspush campaign.
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As for the same campaign, but for richpush - as mentioned I already deleted it. But what happened was I accidently left the budget as unlimited, and it quickly spent a bit over $150 USD. So all in total - it spent about say a bit over $180. As for results....?
I had a total of 10 orders. 2 Were rejected, 4 were approved, and 4 are "hold". 3 of those holds holds are from June 16th - so I don't think they will be approved - and are as good as rejects. As for the last "hold" it is actually from today - so maybe it'll convert to approved haha. By the way, the reason the conversion rate looks so good is because I was hosting the prelander myself, hence the high conversion rate.
But overall I'll chalk it up to a learning experience... $180+ spend - $72 Revenue....
Campaign #2 :
OK - so this campaign was launched another offer in Poland (same day). This time a muscle building offer - this time there was no prelander (it was a typical flog/advertorial and then order form at the bottom. Again being the same day - I did not launch separate campaigns for mob + pc. And of course pixel was not set up properly so no information was available to me.
Below are datspush stats:
And once again - I deleted the richpush campaign for this... if it even existed. I dont really remember if I launched this camp in richpush...
Anyways...
I ended up getting 2 orders... one was approved and one has been in "hold" since June 16th... so I assume it may aswell be a reject
Campaign #3 :
Ok - this is where things get maybe a little more interesting (still no profit tho lol). So, once again this is before I segmented my traffic (mob + pc) and before I had my postback set up properly - so no conversion data.
I launched a certain COD offer in a certain East/Central Euro geo. I won't say which country just because I am still experimenting with this offer. This offer was from adcombo. I launched in both datspush and richpush - tho with richpush I tried their "new subscribers" feature and the campaign only spent under $1. Again - deleted the campaign in richpush so no info to show. However, datspush info below.
The results?
I recieved 5 orders - and all 5 were approved. The 3 rejects are from recently when I've been testing the offer yesterday/today.
So all in all - spent like $20 between datpush ($19) and richpush (under $1) and got 5 approved sales for a total of $62.50. This of course got me way to excited - and I immediately launched the same offer in other nearby geos where it was available. Although I got a few orders the results were not nearly the same or close to profitable. Furthermore - due to my pixel not working I was unable to see where my conversions came from - for all I know they all came from richpush on the $1 spend.
Campaign #4 :
After the results of campaign #3 I decided that this offer has potential... so after doing a screenshare with RedTrack support and getting the postback figured out, and deciding maybe erikgyepes actually knows more than me about push traffic and that maybe I should launch separate campaigns for mobile and pc (My manager, Lera, @richpush also confirmed that it is wise to launch separate campaigns for mobile and pc).
So - I decided I am going to relaunch my campaigns in the original geo that brought me those 5 sales so quickly/cheaply.
When I originally launched campaign #3 there was 2 different angles I was running. When I launched I went with only 1 of the two angles.
Here are my stats in datspush for PC/Tab and Mob.
So as you can see - in datspush for PC/Tabs I had a CTR of +/- 1%. In total I spent $29.44 - the campaign is still running from a budget of $35 and unfortunately this brough me 0 conversions (including holds, or even rejects). Payout for the offer is $12.50...
As for mobile in datspush:
As you can see - CTR is significantly lower for mobile(images + text are the exact same). I also raised my CPC from 3 cents in PC/TAB to 4 cents in the MOB campaign to get more traffic - though I still received significantly less traffic. I've ended up spending only $1.96 out of a $25 budget - and again - no conversions.
Now, for richpush stats (please note - I used the exact same ad copy + creatives in richpush as I did in datspush).
Below is my stats for PC/TAB:
As you can see I am passing back my conversion data to both richpush and datspush. But I do not infact have 4 conversions (I wish). Infact, this campaign has so far brought me 1 order, of which it turned into a sale/confirmed. So essentially - $24.691 spend for $12.50 in revenue. As you can see my CTR is averaging 1.48% and my CPC is quite a bit cheaper than in datspush (1.21 Cents vs 3 cents in datspush).
Now, for my MOB:
Once again my CTR is a lot lower than PC/TAB campaigns. I recieved one order - but it is "hold" so no revenue yet... so $7 spend for $0 revenue.
OK that is an update on my campaigns - in my post below I will write out some thoughts/questions.
Thoughts:
1. Launching separate campaigns for Mobile and PC seems very important - CTR are very different. And it would make sense that it would also behave very differently in regards to holds, approvals, rejects. Someone ordering on their phone is much more likely to turn to an approved order I feel as they literally have their phone in their hand, and thus can immediately confirm their order.
2. I have many "holds" from days ago - and I have a feeling these won't be turning into approved anytime soon. I feel like any orders that will be approved will be approved almost immediately after ordering. For example - that time I launched that offer with $20 spend and $62.5 revenue. 4/5 of the orders were approved immediately - while the last one was approved the day after. I feel like after 24 hrs or so of being in hold - it may aswell be considered a reject or trashed.
3. My manager (Lera @ richpush) has been very helpful and working with me to get me hopefully a successful campaign. She has gotten me network stats for bids of different geos and devices (mob vs pc). She even had some creatives made for me And of course just general tips and tricks (and approving creatives that have been declined haha) I am happy to have started with richpush I must say.
Questions:
1. Should I be afraid of posting back conversions to my traffic source? The stats aren't even accurate - as the pixel fires each time it updates the status. I figure for now theres no point in worrying about it and maybe when I start making money and stop losing money I can worry about it.
2. What sort of CTR should I generally be going for when pushing COD offers (diet/weightloss, nutra in general). I know all that matters is how much you're making but I'm sure there are general guidelines. What sort of CTR for PC and what sort of CTR for mobile?
3. When should I cut an offer/placement? For example if I spend 2x the offer payout on say MOB in richpush and I still don't have a sale is it safe to say I should probably cut it?
4. Going off Question 3, I'm kind of feeling that I should be launching as many campaigns as possible. Atleast 1 per day. Pump out campaigns and then quickly cut out campaigns that do not bring any conversions and keep pumping out campaigns till one shows it converts then I can focus on increasing CTR, cutting poor performing landers/pre landers, and blacklisting.
My plan for today:
1. I plan to launch the same offer in Campaign #4 that I am currently testing - but this time with angle #2 as perhaps that is what brought me so many conversions.
2. I have recieved translations for a diet offer I am running in a low population/cheap CPC Euro geo. I will be launching today. I have a combination of landers and prelanders for a womens angle, and a combination of prelanders and landers for a mens angle. So in total there will be 4 campaigns (2 men, 2 women - mob/pc). I will launch in both datspush and richpush to get as much data so I can hopefully start cutting the poor performing landers/prelanders.
June 21st Update:
Today I:
Relaunched offer from campaign #4 on datspush and richpush - but with angle #2 .
I launched a new diet offer in a small pop/low price Euro geo on datspush and richpush.
I launched another diet offer in another bigger, more expensive Euro geo on richpush.
It is 1am here, we will see results tomorrow.
Goodnight.
Update for June 22nd:
So lets start with the worst and move towards the slightly less worse :P
So campaign in smaller, euro niche. This was a diet offer in Serbia. And suffice to say, it bombed.
Heres how it looked....
Datspush - Serbia Diet Offer (Men):
PC/TAB - Cost: $19.70 CTR: 0.98 Clicks: 786 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Mobile - Cost: $0.43 CTR: 0.15 Clicks: 17 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Obviously was unable to get traffic for mobile... to low of a CTR at the bid I assume. The offer payout was $11.50 - this campaign was paused after a day as it did no show potential.
Same campaign - Serbia Diet offer (men) but in Richpush:
PC/TAB - Cost: $25.86 CTR: 0.87 Clicks: 2103 Orders: 1 Revenue: 11.50
Mobile - Cost: $21.025 CTR: 0.27 Clicks: 1490 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Serbia Diet offer (women) in Richpush:
PC/TAB - Cost: $25.99 CTR: 0.87 Clicks: 1488 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Mobile - Cost: $25.575 CTR: 0.27 Clicks: 1360 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Thoughts on this campaign:
Clearly a total bomb.
Campaign #2 - Weightloss offer in Poland - Targetting women:
Stats in Richpush:
PC/TAB - Cost: $32.238 CTR: 0.81 Clicks: 1215 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Mobile - Cost: $31.226 CTR: 0.31 Clicks: 1108 Orders: 4 Revenue: 0
Thoughts on this campaign:
Also a total bomb - I ran this campaign earlier (June 16th) and it brought me 4 successful orders ($72 - $18 per sucessful order). But I spent like $150 on richpush. And like $28 on datspush. My pixel wasn't set up correctly at the time so I didn't know where they came from - but richpush I assume.
Campaign #3 - Heart/Vein offer Slovakia:
Stats in Datspush - varicose vein angle:
PC/TAB - Cost: $16.10 CTR: 0.74 Clicks: 644 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Mobile - Cost: $1.08 CTR: 0.34 Clicks: 36 Orders: 0 Revenue: 0
Stats in Richpush - I ran two angles - Hypotension/Heart and Varicose Vein Angle - I also ran this in PC/TAB but it brought lackluster results - below I will post results for MOB from June 21st - June 23rd:
Heart/Hypotension Angle:
Mobile - Cost: $20.33 CTR: 0.20 Clicks: 862 Orders: 5 Revenue: 12.50 (1 approval)
Vein Angle:
Mobile - Cost: $25.933 CTR: 0.25 Clicks: 934 Orders: 4 Revenue: 25 (2 approvals)
Thoughts on campaign:
Well - seems this campaign shows the most "promise" but I'm not sure there is much promise in it...
Let's say you want to test a new offer and you have no proven creatives for it. In such case you definitely have to give it more than 2x payout. I would say 10x at least. After that amount of traffic, you should be able to tell whether the offer is a dud or it has a chance to perform.
When talking about placements, you can stick to the 2x formula you mentioned, even 1x in case you are using some proven funnel. You can also cut sooner in case the data look really bad... very poor CTR on the LP, for example.
If you have more questions, ask away
Thoughts on the above results and in general:
1. Its seems to me that if I am promoting COD offers I should be focusing on MOB traffic and not PC/TAB traffic. I think I've noticed a general trend of higher CVR and actual approval for sales. This makes sense to me as part of the offer flow for COD offers is confirming the order with a phone call. Going forward I think I will be focusing on MOB traffic exclusively. This should cut down my testing costs significantly - by half essentially.
2. Even though I have still around $180-190 in datspush - richpush is giving me much better results (actual conversions). I think I will be focusing on richpush for now exclusively for the time being. I need to reload my account ($42 balance).
3. I need to rein in on my spending - I need to develop a system to test offers that have potential while cutting out non performing campaigns ASAP. Richpush has a $25 campaign minimum. I believe my system going forward is going to be to set the budget at 2x offer payout (ie. Offer payout is $18 - camp budget will be $36). I will then set then campaign to run for the next 3 days - and deliver the budget even - not ASAP as it has been before. This should hopefully give me a more accurate representation versus spending 2x offer payout in 1 day distributed ASAP. The 2x offer payout comes from maynzies post in the push cheatsheat:
4. I'm burning through budget - and hopefully the aforementioned thoughts can help me reign in on that - but I am starting to think that maybe I need to focus on lower payout COD offers (say $5 payouts in India, VN etc, versus focusing on higher payout, more expensive Euro geos). I'm also thinking maybe I should sign up to a network with a dating smartlink (profitsocial etc) and give a try at running dating. Looking at adplexity push it does seem that dating is the most common vertical ran in push. Maybe I should focus my datspush balance on dating? I don't know if this is shiny object syndrome though.
Originally Posted by matuloo
I can see how creatives can have differing results in the same campaign. I know this is far from statistically relevant but in my Slovakian - Varicose vein offer I see that 2 approved sales came from 1 creative - a less shocking creative (before and after) but it probably brought conversions because of being more "realistic" and relevant to the offer. Versus say just a disgusting photo of bulging veins (may be attention grabbing, and thus get clicks from shock value) but people that click are less pre qualified/interested in the actual offer.
Thank you Matuloo... I think what I am going to do is pivot very slightly and focus myself on running lower payout COD offers as mentioned - $5-6 payouts lets say. That way I can run a test campaign at 10x payout - so $50-60 budget. I will run the campaign for 3 days to spread out spending and then I will look at data to look at results of individual creatives/angles and placements. I think I will also try and find offers with a low amount of prelanders and LPs that way I can get statistical signifigance or close to it much faster/cheaper - some COD offers have 10+ Prelanders and 10+ LPs.
So... here is my plan for today...
June 23rd Plan/To do list:
1. I will be launching a certain $10 payout offer in a SEA geo. I know I know... already breaking my rule of testing lower payout offers only. I already ordered translations already and received them tho I have no choice haha. I will set a campaign budget of $40 and run it over the next 72 hours to spread it out some more to hopefully avoid variances.
2. I will be going into Dr.cash and Adcombo dashboard and look at promising look low payout COD offers and setting a 10x or so budget, and again run over 72 hrs to spread out spending more. These lower payout offers seem to be dick pills in India mostly lol - hopefully that is something I can run on richpush... if not I'll go ahead and test it in datspush since I still have money there (Question: would dickpills/enhancement fall under "nutra" or "adult" in datspush)?
Some more ideas/plans:
1. In richpush when launching campaigns you can of course choose which sub lists to run:
So far I've just been running on all subscribers list - my manager at richpush said to just run on all lists. I'm thinking going forward I am going to change this and begin running my campaigns only on the sub lists they recommend to "start" and then if I actually have a winning campaign I will play around with the "scale" subs.
2. Richpush has a "new subscriber" feature which if selected will run your campaign to users that are new in their database (1-7 days). If selected this feature doubles the recommended CPC. I've tried this on one campaign before but struggled to spend any significant amount. I think I will give this feature another try though again as it shouldn't be to expensive to test out.
Any input greatly appreciated!
Update June 24th:
OK - first things first - quick update on the richpush heart/vein campaigns - as I did have 2 holds turn approved so a quick stats update on that - even tho I've turned off those campaigns. Nice stuff I guess maybe there is potential in these campaigns - but I will not be running them further for the time being.
Today I launched a campaign in a new GEO with a $19 payout - this goes against my rules of going with cheaper paying COD offers but I already had translations and I just really want to see what happens. I gave it a $40 lifetime budget over the next 3 days (so $13.33 spend per day). There is only 1 Prelander and order page which I am testing. None the less, going off what matuloo said - having a 2x offer payout for a campaign is probably much to small - hence why going forward as mentioned I will be sticking to running low payout COD offers $10 max, preferably in the $5-7 range.
Last night I sat down and made a to do list and I also sort of designed a "system" that I will be using for testing going forward. I also decided that going forward I will have a spreadsheet with all costs and data for each day for all my campaigns - I will be documenting everything religiously - ie. adding 4% cost to traffic due to the top up fee with richpush. I also went over my previous campaigns and calculated how much they overspend by and then took the average (3.3%) this will be useful when calculating budget.
So today I launched:
Campaign: JN22a - $40 budget from June 24th to end of June 27th (apprx 72 hrs total).
I will be evaluating spend every 24 hrs and adjusting bid price if needed - ie. if it fails to spend $13.33 in a 24 hr period. Currently I am simply bidding around market rate.
I will go browse Dr.cash and adcombo and talk to my AMs to find any offers that fit my criteria aka $10 or less payout.
Thats all for now.
OK straight up gotta ask - Campaign JN22a - that I launched - the LP CTR is fucking horrendous. I'm talking like 100 Clicks, 87 LP views, 1 Click. So like literally 1% CTR. Campaign is very basic - not trying anything crazy - Creatives aren't misleading at all...
I through another LP in the mix, 15 clicks, 12 LP Views, 0 CTR. Obviously no data yet... but these CTR are looking horrendous and well non existant... I'm going to let it run more but like damn... for my various other COD campaigns I was seeing CTR at about 5-10% range...
Like I'ma run it overnight here and get some more clicks and all but like damn that CTR! or lack of it wtf. And this is running richpush NEW SUBS only aka expensive AF traffic - x2 the normal price so its not like its shit traffic.
Edit: Like lets say tomorrow I end up having atleast 100 clicks on LP2 and probably like near 200 on LP1 (traffic is split 50/50 between the two LPs) and lets say CTR are still absolute shit like 1% type garbage. Would it be unreasonable for me to pause this campaign - cause I feel like it'd just be burning money with such a horrendous CTR...
So for the aforementioned campaign JN22a - I ended up switching all traffic to LP2 as LP1 had 137 views and 1 click through so .73% CTR - LP2 now sits 299 CLicks/265 Views/29 Click throughs - 10.94% CTR. So much better in that regard... no orders yet tho unfortunately. I also have launched another campaign - JN251 nothing interested to report.
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2) So I noticed that there is a big disparity between the recommend CPC in the richpush campaign panel and in their table here: https://richpush.co/table/
I'm assuming its kind of like datspush where they show a recommended minimum bid and avg bid. So my question is if I can get enough traffic relative to my small budgets - (ie. camp JN22a $50 over 3 days, spread evenly). Is there anything wrong with bidding below the recommended CPC and somewhere nearer to the prices found here https://richpush.co/table/? Or will it simply limit my traffic?
First of all - I'm SO happy for you that you've taken such massive action! 
Secondly - did you find lower-payout offers like you've mentioned? High-payout offers require so much more capital. It's really impressive how many conversions you've made - it's not easy for a new affiliate to spend enough to start seeing conversions on high-payout offers.
Amy
Originally Posted by jhustle
And good luck with your campaign! Any updates on it?
Originally Posted by vortex
Secondly - did you find lower-payout offers like you've mentioned? High-payout offers require so much more capital. It's really impressive how many conversions you've made - it's not easy for a new affiliate to spend enough to start seeing conversions on high-payout offers.
Amy
To be honest - when it comes to COD offers you'll only really find super low payout offers in India and mostly dick pills. Nothing wrong with that per se. But I've kind of resigned myself to aim for under $10 payout offers, though I am testing $12-15 payouts aswell.... I'll break down my methodology in the my proper update in the next few days.
Originally Posted by jhustle
Anticipating your detailed update!
Amy
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