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CHEATSHEET: DO's and DONT's of Push Traffic (31)


04-29-2019 06:34 AM #1 erikgyepes (Moderator)
CHEATSHEET: DO's and DONT's of Push Traffic



We have this nice tradition here on STM to sum up the DO's and DON'Ts of different traffic types.

I think it's time to sum up these also for PUSH, which happen to be the new favorite traffic source of 2019 already!

Leet's get straight into it!

✅ DO's:



❌ DONT's:



Traffic sources with PUSH traffic



These are main takeaways from my own experience.

I'm curious what are your DO's and DON'Ts?

Do you agree or disagree with these above?


04-29-2019 06:52 AM #2 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Stickied and gonna include this in the newsletter!

Thanks Erik for all the value you've been adding to the forum - especially to the push section!



Amy


04-29-2019 07:18 AM #3 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Nice summary! And you kinda summed up all my push related experience in this post, so not much to add really


04-29-2019 11:04 PM #4 daliu5 (Member)

Thanks for the guide, @erikgyepes !

I've seen Amy mentioning several times in the newbie zone, that its a good idea to test on pop traffic first and then move the best performing lander+offer to push. (which may be in -ROI, but push could flip that to +)

Do you think it is wise to just go straight for push, without hindering yourself with pops campaign test? From my understanding, pops is considered cheaper to test with than push.


04-30-2019 03:52 AM #5 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Thanks for the guide, @erikgyepes !

I've seen Amy mentioning several times in the newbie zone, that its a good idea to test on pop traffic first and then move the best performing lander+offer to push. (which may be in -ROI, but push could flip that to +)

Do you think it is wise to just go straight for push, without hindering yourself with pops campaign test? From my understanding, pops is considered cheaper to test with than push.
Hey @daliu5!

That's a good question!

Yes, pops (and redirects) are the cheapest traffic type that you can find and for that reason it's the best source to learn the basics, that will hardly change, just because of the simplicity and costs of it.

On the other side, even that pops looks cheap at first sight, you have to count in: clickloss, high % of bot traffic and tracker event costs (if your tracker charges for that).

At the end, it might not be as cheap as we thought.

When, I personally started running push, I skipped pops altogether and focused purely on push.

If you want to go straight into push, here are few more tips:

In the beginning you should find offers with easy to convert flows (like SOI offers), these will get you more conversions and datapoints, so you can proceed faster.

Also you can start in less competitive (cheaper) geos.

This approach will get you more data in the start for lower costs.

As you get more confident over time you can start experimenting with different offer flows and higher payout offers etc.

To sum it up, you can start with pops if you are a beginner with media buying and need to learn the basics, otherwise I think it would just double your costs and efforts.


04-30-2019 04:37 AM #6 maynzie (Moderator)

Awesome post buddy, I especially agree with these Definite Do's and Dont's.

- DON'T be afraid to test tier-1 GEOs and high payout offers, they can work well.
- Yep high payout offers :P

DON'T keep running the offer if it clearly sucks. If it's -80% ROI whereas others give you -30%, something is wrong
- I want to be at least -40% roi off the bat if you're way off this its more effort then required to get it working, keep hunting for good offers and funnels

DON'T be afraid to spend $$$, especially with higher payout offers
- Gotta risk a bit of pay for those conversions

DON'T get demotivated with daily swings that are common on PUSH (I've seen multiple times falling from +4 figures to -3 figures from day to day), look at longterm weekly/monthly results
- Massive, especially with higher payout offers. The swings are large in terms of ROI from day to day

DO update your creatives frequently as they tend to saturate fast (watch your creatives CTR over time)
- As well as this, DO retest your winning creatives every 2 weeks, you will get new subscribers seeing your ads and often profit comes back after the initial burn outs. Rotate the winners


04-30-2019 05:34 AM #7 jhustle (Member)

Good stuff. I'm new to AM and starting out with push to learn the basics, and hopefully maybe turn a profit before google nerfs it.

Couple questions if anyone is willing to give their input.

1. I'm planning on focusing on tier 2/3 geos for cheaper traffic. I'm hoping I'll be able to get away with just using a VPS for the time being... do you guys think I'll be able to get away without using a CDN for now? I'm guessing that depends on load times for my LPs... aka test it out. What kind of load times would you guys recommend for LPs? Who are the go to VPS providers and CDN providers these days?

2. I'm trying to avoid spreading myself to thing push network wise so I'm thinking of joining say 2-3 networks max. Does this seem reasonable? Any suggestions for good networks to start off with?

3. I'm going to be focusing on low payout offers to get more data points for cheaper, say <$10 payout offers (sweeps, dating, leadgen etc). Any CPA networks you would personally recommend for those type's of offers in tier 2/3 geos?

4. Any suggestions for which push spy tool to go with? (I think theres only two?).

5. Worth it to try out low payout offers in tier 1? Or stick to tier 2/3 for now? Got... lets say $5000 budget.

Thanks in advance!


04-30-2019 05:49 AM #8 erikgyepes (Moderator)

1. I'm planning on focusing on tier 2/3 geos for cheaper traffic. I'm hoping I'll be able to get away with just using a VPS for the time being... do you guys think I'll be able to get away without using a CDN for now? I'm guessing that depends on load times for my LPs... aka test it out. What kind of load times would you guys recommend for LPs? Who are the go to VPS providers and CDN providers these days?
I not see any problem with VPS (I run on VPS mostly these days and there are no issues at all).

The reason why CDNs got popular with affiliates was mainly because of POP traffic, where it's extremely important to have fast loading landing pages because of huge click losses that can happen. Of course you will benefit of CDN on every traffic source, but I do not see it as tragic with push as I would see it with pops.

2. I'm trying to avoid spreading myself to thing push network wise so I'm thinking of joining say 2-3 networks max. Does this seem reasonable? Any suggestions for good networks to start off with?
That's very good approach. I don't really want to give suggestions on networks as results can differ radically for everyone. Just choose any 3 from the list I tested all of them (except LizarLeads) and they all can work.

3. I'm going to be focusing on low payout offers to get more data points for cheaper, say <$10 payout offers (sweeps, dating, leadgen etc). Any CPA networks you would personally recommend for those type's of offers in tier 2/3 geos?
Gotzha, Clickdealer, YepAds.

4. Any suggestions for which push spy tool to go with? (I think theres only two?).
Spypush is decent.

5. Worth it to try out low payout offers in tier 1? Or stick to tier 2/3 for now? Got... lets say $5000 budget.
It makes sense if there are high payout alternatives for the same vertical.
Good example might be SOI flow vs CC submit flow.
In this case you can later utilise the data you got and switch the flows.


04-30-2019 06:04 AM #9 jhustle (Member)

Thank you for the quick reply Erik... I'm bookmarking this thread as I have a feeling I'll be coming back to it a lot

Going off your answer for my fifth question - I think I'm going to stick to tier 2/3 for now to keep things simpler and cheaper.

Now excuse me as I have to go sign up/apply to a some networks now! Cheers


04-30-2019 09:04 AM #10 pauldm (Member)

Awesome post thanks.

I’m a newbie with push (should probably do a follow along) so not familiar with all the terminology. What’s the icon? (You say do focus on icon and copy). Is that the 192x192 image or using emojis in the copy?


04-30-2019 09:05 AM #11 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by daliu5 View Post
Thanks for the guide, @erikgyepes !

I've seen Amy mentioning several times in the newbie zone, that its a good idea to test on pop traffic first and then move the best performing lander+offer to push. (which may be in -ROI, but push could flip that to +)

Do you think it is wise to just go straight for push, without hindering yourself with pops campaign test? From my understanding, pops is considered cheaper to test with than push.
Let me add one thing here. When Amy started to work on the 40-day tutorial, push wasn't around yet. Actually it was, but it wasn't popular among affiliates at all, while push was widely used by pretty much everyone. That's also one of the reasons why she chose it as the go-to traffic type for new affiliates. This being said, I personally believe, push is also a very good option for newbies to learn AM with.


05-01-2019 08:56 AM #12 erikgyepes (Moderator)

I’m a newbie with push (should probably do a follow along) so not familiar with all the terminology. What’s the icon? (You say do focus on icon and copy). Is that the 192x192 image or using emojis in the copy?
Yes, it's the 191x192 icon.

Using emoji's is actually another thing to DO! I totally missed this one, adding it to the list!


05-02-2019 02:41 PM #13 AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Damn Erik, this is pretty much summarizes this entire ad format in it's entirety! Love how you summarized it


05-05-2019 12:22 PM #14 ilitat (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by erikgyepes View Post
Gotzha, Clickdealer, YepAds.
Thank you for your post. Do those networks accept newbie?


05-05-2019 01:09 PM #15 tryhard (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by ilitat View Post
Do those networks accept newbie?
I was contact directly their AM on skype and they accept me.

You can find contact on them here on STM in affiliate contact directory.

If they see that you are dedicated and know what you want they dont have problem with that.

Thats my experience. I am also new.

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05-05-2019 02:36 PM #16 ilitat (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by tryhard View Post
I was contact directly their AM on skype and they accept me.

You can find contact on them here on STM in affiliate contact directory.

If they see that you are dedicated and know what you want they dont have problem with that.

Thats my experience. I am also new.
Ok I will search in forum, thank you


05-05-2019 07:41 PM #17 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by ilitat View Post
Ok I will search in forum, thank you
Here is the link to the contacts directory, it's directly in the top menu, so you don't have to search for it: https://stmforum.com/affiliate-directory/


06-06-2019 01:33 AM #18 anshdeb (Member)

Fantastic share Erik. Really helpful and motivating


06-06-2019 03:15 AM #19 chris r (Member)

Incredible thread! Thanks Erik!

-Chris


06-12-2019 02:27 PM #20 evadav (Senior Member)

Excellent description actually.
I would add to this list of network EvaDav.

We have a lot of TRAFFIC with any GEO and offer the highest conversion rate on the market.


06-18-2019 06:51 PM #21 forgamon (Member)

Which network has the most of ADULT Dating Push traffic? Anyone knows?

By the way great tips on Push traffic, thanks!


06-19-2019 12:06 PM #22 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by forgamon View Post
Which network has the most of ADULT Dating Push traffic? Anyone knows?

By the way great tips on Push traffic, thanks!
Most networks do not have adult traffic, at least not much of it. Take a look at exoclick, that's the only large adult only network that offers it I believe.


10-16-2019 01:09 PM #23 afkuni (Member)

Would you recommend the best way to work with emojis in the ad text?

I tried some online sources for copy/pasting. Eg: getemoji.com

All looks good in Firefox, but then when I edit the same campaign in another browser like Chrome or Opera the emoji is not displayed (just a rectangular). I've read that some desktop browsers support them and some don't. And that it's better on mobile phones.

Is there a more reliable/predictable way than to configure the campaign in Firefox using copy/paste of emojis and relying on the ad preview of the traffic source interface to assess if the emoji will display correctly?


10-19-2019 04:23 PM #24 affpayinggao (Veteran Member)

Awesome post! Thanks for sharing!


10-20-2019 05:12 AM #25 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Yes, emoji can help you to increase your ad CTR!

Some traffic sources have in-built emoji's for quick selection.

If you are on Mac OS just hit: Control + Command + Spacebar and you can select your emoji's from there.

Or you can use this site: https://emojipedia.org


10-20-2019 01:02 PM #26 afkuni (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by erikgyepes View Post
Some traffic sources have in-built emoji's for quick selection.
Great, thank you! Could you give me an example of a traffic source that has them built-in?


10-20-2019 01:42 PM #27 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Great, thank you! Could you give me an example of a traffic source that has them built-in?
Megapush and Zeropark for example. They have a small "smiley" icon next to the ad title and message.


10-28-2019 04:53 PM #28 rtxplatform_admin (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by erikgyepes View Post
Megapush and Zeropark for example. They have a small "smiley" icon next to the ad title and message.
RTXplatform has them built in too


11-04-2019 07:28 AM #29 harvcam (Member)
CHEATSHEET: DO's and DONT's of Push Traffic

@erikgyepes This is such an amazing guide and so helpful as I want to focus on push with sweepstakes. Thank you so very much for writing it. I will be using this along with @vortex sweepstakes 101 guide as my bibles (is there anything else as mind blowing as these two guides on the subject I should be aware of)

Please forgive the following noob questions but I am going to launch-in and whilst I know I will lose money (sorry buy data!) I want to give myself the very best chance to start with:

In your guide you talk about testing multiple offers, ads, landers & traffic sources; what is the optimum number per offer please...i.e how many ads and landing pages should I initially test per offer for push. I read a post by Charles Ngo and he said something to the effect that if a noob test 3 offers and a Super Affiliate tests 6 the SuperAff will have a much better chance of success which is obvious of course but I don’t think he was speaking about push which may be different? Please don’t say it depends (although I’m sure it probably does) but initially I have to commit to specific numbers of course and I would much rather go with your rather than mine!! for obvious reasons 🤣 Once again thank you so much for the wonderful guide and the treasure trove of other content I have read and enjoyed here you are providing so much it’s amazing!


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11-04-2019 10:08 AM #30 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Hey @harvcam, thanks for the kind words!

As for testing offers, you can start with 3 and depending on the results you can add more volume (% weight of the traffic) to the good ones. The bad ones you can then swap with another offers and test them as well.

You can do also something like send 80% of the traffic to proven offers and 20% to new offers that you are testing (so you are continuously testing new stuff)


07-09-2022 10:52 PM #31 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by larsometer View Post
What metric do use to measure performance?

Judging from propush revenue generated, push traffic can do quite well.

From that perspective I don't understand why propush script should not be used with push traffic.

On a geo level that might be another story.... but then it is rather the impact on the main offer and not the question for push vs. pop traffic.
I had the same experience... push traffic can still do well with another push based platform. At some point, I would actually recommend that people who want to collect their own push list would start with push traffic, since the people who accepted one push prompt seemed to be more willing to do that again The situation might have changed but I totally agree with you here.


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