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My 40-Day Tutorial Using Bemob. Join Me On This Fantastic Journey! (34)

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Hello guys and gals,

My name is Chris. If you care to read my forum intro, it can be found here: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...hington-state!

I won't go over too much of what I said in my intro but I plan to do this full time and I'm definitely in this for the long haul.

Starting Budget: 5k

Tracker:

• Bemob

Affiliate Networks:

• Mobidea (Approved)
• ClickDealer (Approved)
• Gotzha (Approved)

Traffic Sources:

• PropellerAds
• PopAds

Progress so far:

I signed up and got approved to all three affiliate networks. I also signed up to both traffic sources.

I did what Amy suggested with ClickDealer. I picked a random offer per the suggested search criteria and asked my AM for some suggestions. The random one was rejected for whatever reason and my AM got back to me with seven suggestions. I applied to five of them and they all got approved.

After that I picked the most promising offer and started running traffic to it through PropellerAds. Soon after that, it got suspended for not following their advertising guidelines. This continued to happen to all but one offer. That one offer ran until my $10 campaign budget was reached and I manged to get four conversions in the process. ($2.56!)

So I decided to try and run some offers from Mobidea to see what would happen. I had a similar result as I did earlier. All were suspended but one. That one offer ran for about a day before I checked it and it was dead. The link would just forward the user to the Mobidea website.

On Gotzha, I wasn't able to find a single offer that would actually load via my VPN to confirm that the offers were still alive and well. Maybe I was doing something wrong.

Anyway, I was now on day 13 which was starting a camp on PopAds. I decided to run that offer from ClickDealer that I got the conversions with. So far I haven't had any conversions running that same offer on PopAds. I still have a few bucks left though so we'll see what happens.

I'm not too sure why all of those offers kept getting suspended though PropellerAds. They were all games or downloads so I really don't understand why this kept happening.

As of right now, that last camp in still running on PopAds. I've already started reading days 14-15 and I'll continue to chip away at it.

If you guys have any questions or suggestions I'd love to hear em.

-Chris

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Propeller is giving a reason for campaign rejections, what it it tell you? They've recently changed the rules quite a bit and they are more strict now, for example brand logos are forbidden now in the push ads etc ... I guess you're breaking some of the rules with your ads or landing pages. It would be a good idea to try and identify the problem, so you can move forward.

It can be a pain to get the offers to load if they use strong GEO/device detection, especially when they target specific mobile carriers ... sometimes there is no other way than just send some traffic to see if it converts or not. The AMs should be able to confirm that an offer works, since they see the conversions coming in, always ask them.

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There is a question mark next to the campaign status label in the propeller admin, click it for more info on the rejection reason.

Yup, what you're seeing are fallback offers that the network is using in case of a targeting mismatch, and yes, since you are directlinking, some of these probably violated the rules of propeller. Or it could have been the ad itself, hard to say without knowing more details.

For the sake of knowing what went wrong, it would be a good idea to know what caused the rejection, otherwise you won't be able to move further as you might get your campaigns rejected again and again. So yes, I'd try to reach out to them. You can also show me the AD here, maybe we can spot a problem with that.

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Ah I see. I didn't know that was there. One says "Violates rules" and the others don't have a rejection reason.


Oh okay. That makes total sense.


You're right. I should know exactly why it happened in the first place.

As I'm writing this, I just reached out to them through their messenger and asked what the reasons were. Someone immediately got back to me. He asked me for the camp id's and replied with "I will ask from clarification from policy team and will come back to you on update." So as of right now I don't have an answer.

I'll definitely let you guys know when I hear back from them.

Thank you Matej!

-Chris

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Update:

Someone from Propeller got back to me this morning. He said that all are approved except one. The remaining rejected offer was for autodialing.

I checked my account and the one that he said is now approved is still showing as rejected. I replied to the email asking him about this but haven't heard back as of yet.

To save someone future grief, that ClickDealer offer was 66333.

I'll let you guys know when I hear something.

-Chris

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Not too much news to report. This last week was insane with house projects pulling me away from this. I'm back at it though. I hope to have the HTML, CSS, Javascript and Jquery courses done here shortly. They're very time consuming but I know how important they are.

I never heard back from Propeller rep regarding that one offer that was still saying rejected. Later that day I did get a generic email from them telling me that the same offer was rejected again...

At this point I don't know why it was rejected in the first place or why it was rejected again.

Anyway, that's the only news I have as of right now.

I'll keep this thread updated.

-Chris

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Speak of the devil. The Propeller rep just got back to me.

He said "Policy team replied it is rejected because of promoting malware."

So that answers that...

-Chris

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Ok, they got more strict lately, it might be the right time to test a different offer then.

Try some sweeps, they usually pass the review just fine.

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Oh okay, I wasn't sure what was going on.

Aren't sweeps non carrier billed offers? Like regular SOI/DOI offers?


Not too much to update. I'm still doing the Code Academy courses. All of the HTML, CSS, and Javascript stuff is really new to me, so it's taking forever to go through all five courses. As much as I really want to move forward, I must admit that I've learned A LOT from the courses so far.

-Chris

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Sweeps come in many shapes and forms, I've seen carrier billing sweeps, regular soi/doi or credit card trials ... I'd recommend to try SOI's for the starters. The CC versions also work pretty good, but the payouts on these are quite high, around $15-20 usually, so that requires a bigger budget for testing.

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Hi Chris! Thanks for all the help you've been providing on the tutorial threads! Been wanting to reply to your follow-along for a few days now.

Just read your intro thread as well. I sense a lot of determination to succeed - all the best on your journey!

Without further ado - below is my feedback:

PropellerAds must have gotten stricter since I last ran there.

Unfortunately, getting offers/landers rejected, whether by the traffic network or the affiliate network / advertiser, is a part of the game. The trick is to find out what is marginally acceptable. The more stuff you submit, the more you'll get approved. Some affiliates will cloak to get stuff approved, but of course there are risks involved with that approach, and cloaking is certainly not mandatory to make profits.

Another possibility for the rejection, is that PropellerAds' reviewers may not even be seeing your actual offer. In order to actually reach a carrier-billing offer, one needs to either be using a cell phone that has a data plan with the specific carrier, or some type of service that will achieve the same. Even using a VPN won't work as all the VPN services I've seen are connecting through wifi and not mobile/3g/4g/data. If the aff network provides a screenshot of the actual offer, you can try to send that to the traffic network by replying to the rejection notification email. Sometimes that will get the campaign approved.

This is for future reference only. For the 1/2-click offers I'm asking you to run, I wouldn't bother spending much time trying to get those approved. I'm only asking you to run a couple of those for practice. Please try to proceed to the lessons on landing pages as soon as you can, because nowadays it's hard to make profits by direct-linking to direct carrier billing offers.


Continuing from what I said above regarding VPNs not being sufficient to view direct carrier-billing offers: What matuloo suggests is the way to go - just send traffic to test the offer and let the stats talk. It would be difficult for you to navigate to the offer page without being redirected, but if you're targeting the right visitors - ones that are using data on their cell phones - they'll be able to reach the actual offer page. You can verify which offer the traffic is going to, by browsing the aff network's stats as well. And if you see large chunks of traffic going to anything other than your intended offer, then something must be wrong.


Nice progress Chris! Looking forward to seeing some stats when you start testing landers!




Amy

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Ah okay, I didn't know that about the CC versions. Those payouts sound awesome and I do have a decent budget to start. Would you recommend jumping right into those, or doing lower payout (non carrier billed) offers while I'm still learning the lander stuff?



Hey Amy!

You're very welcome! I'm really glad I was able to contribute to this great community. I was hoping you'd chime in! I know I don't know you guys, but I really look up to you and Matuloo. It's so cool havin both of you guys help me out!

I appreciate that! Right now I'm slow to the start but I promise I'm not going anywhere. You guys are stuck with me for awhile!


Ah okay. I believe Matuloo said that as well. I guess it was only a matter of time before they got more strict.

That's kinda a bummer but understandable. I guess sooner or later I'll probably get desensitized to it. That's great info on how to increase my odds of getting stuff approved. Doing things in great numbers really seems to be a common theme around here.

Yeah I'd rather not get into cloaking if possible, but at the same time, I'm willing to do what's needed to see success. I'm sure that over time, I'll learn what I can and can't get away with. It's good to know that it's not necessary to make profits.

That totally makes sense, and it's kinda what I was thinking but wasn't totally sure. Matuloo said something similar. Aside from it sounding right, and you two thinking the same thing, it definitely seems like that's what's happening.


Yeah I figured you didn't want us taking these offers too seriously, because you had mentioned them not being profitable anymore. That's why I almost didn't even care to find out why they were getting rejected in the first place. But Matuloo was right, even if they aren't to be taken too seriously, I should at least know what was going on. I'm glad listened to him and got some answers from them.

Man! I'm glad you said that! I'm over these direct linked carrier offers!


That's really great info. I wish I didn't procrastinate, and made a follow along right off the bat. I could have heard this from you two early on. Maybe I would have even made a few more conversions.

Thanks Amy! I really appreciate it!



Update:

So I'm FINALLY done with the courses from days 14-15. I definitely learned A LOT but, I'm sure this is only the beginning. I do feel that they put me in a lot better position than I was in before. As I move forward, and actually start using lot's of this stuff, I'm sure it'll make even more sense.

I'm off to day 16! As usual, I'll keep this thread updated.

Thank you guys so much for all of the help!

-Chris

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I would definitely start with low-payout offers!

Not only because they will allow you to learn (and make all the common "mistakes") for cheap, but more importantly, they will allow you to identify bad-converting placements for cheap as well.

Only AFTER you've identified the best and worst placements, should you even attempt to run the higher-payout offers.

Imagine spending even 1x payout on cutting each placement (and this is already conservative):

payout = $1, cutting 50 placements = $50

payout = $10, cutting 50 placements = $500


In the end, I wouldn't recommend sticking with pop. I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but pop is only really good for learning the trade. I'm not saying it's impossible to make the big bucks with it, but the effort you need to put in in order to do so, if put towards other endeavors, will likely result in more profits.

But sticking with pop for the initial couple of months will give you a solid foundation, and chances are you WILL see the profits potential of this business - enough so that when you transition to the harder-to-learn traffic types, you'll stick with those long enough to see big results.

You're making good progress! Keep up the good work!




Amy

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Ah okay. That makes total sense. No need spending anymore money than I have to.


Haha. You don't sound like a broken record. The more guidance and suggestions the better. I really appreciate the honesty.

The more I read, the more it sounds like push or native should be my next focus after pop. We'll see what happens though. It sounds like this industry changes really fast, so who knows if those will even be good options by then.

Thanks Amy, I really appreciate all the help.



Update:

I signed up to the mobile version of AdPlexity and read through day 16. I asked my AM's from both Gotzha and ClickDealer for some offer recommendations based off of Amy's suggestions. My rep from Gotzha got back to me with two suggestions. One only paid out $0.20 and was in SA, so I didn't even bother with it. The other one paid out a little over $1, and was in Singapore. The problem was that it already had a prelander.

At this stage, I know the whole idea is to find offers that we can start introducing landing pages to. Because I never ended up running those carrier billed offers through Gotzha, I figured it couldn't hurt to run it anyway to confirm my tracking setup.

Results as of writing this:

Almost 8400 clicks and one conversion. A little over $3 in ad spend using PropellerAds as a traffic source. Not too bad so far, but I did run into a problem.

When I initially setup Gotzha as an affiliate network (fixed, thanks Matej) through Bemob, they didn't have a template available for that affiliate network. I tried my best to set it up based on what little documentation I could find, but I'm pretty sure I messed up my postback url. Everything in Bemob is looking great but that one conversion hasn't shown up yet. That's what leads me to believe that it's a postback problem.

So, I need to figure this out, and send my AM the correct postback url.

My AM from ClickDealer got back to me not too long ago with a bunch of offer suggestions. I haven't looked through them yet but will tonight.

Once I get this tracking issue worked out, I'll move onto the next part of the tutorial.

-Chris

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Maybe the problem is here, gotzha is an affiliate network, not a traffic source ... I guess you made a typo, but still wanted to point that out.

Here is an older article from me, explaining why it's a good idea to focus on low payout offers, check it out in case you haven't already : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...you-more-money

Yup, affiliate marketing really changes fast. Push is hot right now, but a simple chrome update can dramatically lower the available volumes, so I wouldn't wait anymore... jump on it while its working

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Yup that was definitely a typo. It's funny, no matter how many times I proof read before I hit replay, I still always miss something.


That was one of the first threads I read on here after signing up. It was a great read. I thought even in that thread, you or someone else mentioned staying sway from offers paying less than $0.50. That they usually weren't worth it. My other reasoning for not going with that offer was because it was in SA. One of those offers that Propeller rejected was in SA and I remember the traffic being a little pricey before they canned it.


Haha! I'd really like to, but I feel like I should push through this pop stuff just to learn everything. Would it be possible to use the same guide and methods but do it with push instead?

Thanks Matej.

-Chris

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I would say that you could actually use the guide and work with another traffic type. The core principles are the same, you will just receive less "clicks" at a higher price, but they will be off higher quality. And there will be one more element to focus at since you need to actually create the ADs, which is not necessary with POP. Make sure to use very small daily budgets, push always overspends a bit so keep that in mind. From the networks I tried, propeller and richpush did respect the budgets pretty nicely, so start there.

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Awesome! That's good to know that the guide will work with other traffic types. Ah okay, I didn't know that about the ad creation, but it's super good to know. I'm kinda thinking I should stick with pop for the time being, at least while I'm still learning landing pages and all that jazz. Maybe once I feel more confident with that, I can start looking into push. I don't want to take on too much right now before I even have the basics figured out.


Update:

Yesterday I reached out to the support at Bemob regarding the Gotzha postback url. I got an email back this morning with some info. Looks like I had the postback url right, but they said that &s2={clickId} needs to be added to the end of the offer url. An offer url from Gotzha by default looks like this:

https://swps.rocks/?a=6208&c=12815&s1=

I'm assuming the s1= should be replaced with &s2={clickId}. Looking more like this:

https://swps.rocks/?a=6208&c=12815&s2={clickId}. What do ya guys think? I've asked Bemob to confirm this, but I probably won't hear from them until tomorrow.


Outside of that. I checked out the offers my AM at ClickDealer suggested. Of the six, three of them paid out less than $0.10. I applied to the other three last night and they all got approved this morning. The plan today is to start moving forward with day 17 of the tutorial.

-Chris

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You're very welcome! This is the value you're entitled to by being part of the STM community - likewise, we thanks you - because we wouldn't be here without all your support!

Native isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Push will likely be hot for at LEAST the rest of this year (as is predicted by several experts I've spoken to). And FB and Google are REALLY not going anywhere in the foreseeable future (which, in this industry, means a few years).

And there isn't just the one business model of driving traffic to CPA offers! You can generate leads and either sell them or nurture and monetize them yourself. You can drive traffic to your own products and monetize them further on the backend. There are truly many ways to skin a cat (sorry for the mental pic - I need to find another way to express the same - poor cats!)


I've made good money on low-payout offers.

The payout amount is only one part of the profits/ROI equation - even if it's low, if the CONVERSION RATE is high, it will still work out.

Of course, the potential margins aren't going to be as good as high-payout offers. But I find that there's usually a good reason why an offer is priced a certain way - if your AM is suggesting it, I'd give it a whirl (up to you of course!)

And SA is a great geo when you can find the right offer. Arabic geos are still under-monetized IMO - not enough offers but so much potential.

While we're on the topic of geos: After getting some practice with the less-competitive, small geos, don't be afraid to challenge the bigger ones! There seems to be fewer and fewer CPA offers for tier3/4 geos these days.

The process of running in big geos vs. small geos is similar, except for big geos, you'd need to test more offers to find the best one you reasonably can first, and then invest the money necessary on cutting placements. You WILL likely bleed a lot in that initial stage (so cutting aggressively is key - 0.5x payout or 1x payout without conversions), but once you've done the bulk of the cutting, you can keep running future/new offers on the same best placements and that would be your edge.


The tracking should be very similar to what I've described in the tutorial. Try this:

Offer link in Bemob: https://swps.rocks/?a=6208&c=12815&s2={clickId} (Your link should be correct!)

Sample Bemob postback you should put into Gotzha: http://1abcd.bemobtrk.com/postback?c...payout=#price# (Here I'm just showing the correct tokens - your base postback link will be different.)

Please note that it doesn't really matter much which token you use to pass and post back the clickid - as long as it's the same token - which in this case is s2. The token formats are different - i.e. #s2 # vs. just plain s2 - because bemob and gotzha systems "speak" different "languages", i.e. each has their own set of tokens. In order for either system to populate the values in a link, they would of course need to be able to recognize the values. This is why the offer link in Bemob needs to contain token variables in Bemob's format, i.e. {clickId}, and why the postback link in Gotzha needs to contain token variables in Gotzha's format, i.e. #s2 # and #payout #. Hope that's clear! The same principles applies to any other tracking link.

I've never used Bemob - just figured this out based on their documentation. So if this doesn't work please let me know and I'll take another look.



You're moving along very nicely! Last suggestion: I would suggest for you to finish the tutorial first, and do some testing to find good offers before expanding to push. It's less expensive to make all the common mistakes on pop first. Plus, it's cheaper to test offers on pop. So you can find good offers using pop, then scale to push. Matuloo and ErikGyepes push guide / case study will really help you - and while you're at it, reading every single thread in the push subforum really wouldn't hurt either (as there aren't that many of them yet).

Keep having fun Chris!




Amy

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You can do this, it's not a bad decision at all. The point is, as soon as you feel confident about the process, feel free to explore the other options.

Not familiar with bemob so can't really comment here, but if it works, don't try to fix it

Amy already commented on the link, and I agree that the link should be correct now too.

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You're welcome as well! It's just so cool that we have such an awesome community like this. I really wish I would have signed up two years ago when I just dipped my toes into AM. Oh well. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. At least I'm here now


That's really great to hear. I'm constantly worried because I feel like this industry moves at the speed of light. I'm already beating myself up for not taking it seriously two years ago.

It's pretty rad that there are so many different routes that be can taken in this industry. I imagine that many AM's dabble in different ways over their careers.

Haha! Those poor cats are always getting the short end of the stick!


That's awesome info! Crazy that you were able to make good money with such low payouts. But if they have a really high conversion rate like you said, than that totally makes sense. Also, I don't want to seem like I'm against low payout offers. I just remember reading somewhere on here that if it was less than $0.50 (or maybe it was $0.25...), that it usually wasn't worth running because the margins were too low.

I trust you though. I'll throw some traffic at one or two of those and see what happens. With traffic being so cheap at this stage, now is probably a good time to test em out.


That's good to know about SA and really good to know about Arabic geos. That one campaign where I got six conversions was in SA. The ad spend didn't seem to go as far as it would have with other countries, but I did get conversions which was pretty surprising.

It's funny you mention there being fewer and fewer offers in those geos. My AM from Gotzha said that she really didn't have much in those geos, when I asked her for suggestions.

Ah okay. I figured that running offers in bigger geos would cost more, but I didn't know how crucial cutting with them was. That's great info. I just added that little tidbit to my AM notes


Ah okay, that gives me a way better understanding of how the tokens work. I remember when I was reading day 9, your global postback for ClickDealer was the same for Gotzha. So I figured they were both on the same platform. I then used the ClickDealer template that Bemob provided and changed the name to Gotzha. The default postback looked like this:

h ttp://********.com/postback?cid=#s2#&payout=#price#&txid=OPTIONAL&sta tus=OPTIONAL (the Bemob rep confirmed that the Gotzha postback should look like this)

I remember you saying to remove the "&txid=OPTIONAL&status=OPTIONAL", which is what I did.

So the postback I sent my AM at Gotzha initially was: h ttp://********.com/postback?cid=#s2#&payout=#price#

Which is what you posted above, so I know that's that's right.

Prior to writing this, the Bemob rep got back to me again. She did confirm that the offer url should indeed look like this: https://swps.rocks/?a=6208&c=12815&s2={clickId}

Which is also what you posted above. So I feel pretty confident that everything should be cool now.


So for anyone else using Bemob and Gotzha. Remove the "s1=" from the end of your offer link and replace it with "&s2={clickId}".

Offer url should look like this: https://swps.rocks/?a=6208&c=12815&s2={clickId}


Thanks Amy! Okay will do. I trust you and I know you're lookin out for me. I'll stick to pop and finish the course as intended. I'll also read through that guide and case study on my down time.

Thank you so much for all of your help and incredible info.



Okay cool. I'll definitely do that.


Yeah I think we got it all figured out now. At least I hope so anyway. I'm going to start that campaign again and see if I can get another conversion to confirm that the issue is resolved.

Thanks Matej!



-Chris

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Not much to update, but I want to document as much as I can to hold myself accountable.

I tried to start running traffic from Propeller, to one of those low payout offers from ClickDealer. I did this yesterday and it was still in moderation as of this morning. I talked to someone through their messenger, she apologized and suggested making a small change to the campaign to see if we could get it going.

Five hours later, it was STILL in moderation. This time I talked to a gentleman that was very short with me as well as rude. He basically kept saying that I need to wait for it to go through moderation. Apparently it could take one hour or more...

In the mean time, I decided to launch another campaign on Propeller. This time with another low payout offer, but from Gotzha. That one got approved a few minutes after launching it. We'll see what happens.

Also, we fixed that tracking issue with Gotzha! After I changed that offer link, I restarted the camp on Propeller. This morning I made another conversion and it showed up on Gotzha, Propeller and Bemob. Pretty stoked about that.

Anyway, that's all for now.

-Chris


EDIT: I decided to duplicate that offer that was taking forever to get approved and it went through right away. So, I put the old one into draft and archived it. Don't know what happened to begin with, but it's taken care of now.

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Another small update.

That low payout ($0.15) offer from ClickDealer, reached a little over 10x the payout without a single conversion, so I 86'd it. It was in Brazil, and the spend went FAST.

Anywho, just wanted to document this.

-Chris

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I know it's hard to wait, especially when the excitement flows through the veins of an aspiring affiliate, but sometimes we gotta hold back and wait ... the AMs are just people too, and in some cases they are literally bombed with messages. And this is one more reason to register with multiple networks, so you can find one that you enjoy working with... getting the right AM can mean the heaven and moon

Great, having 100% working tracking is essential, so I'm glad you could solve it.

You are right that offers with so low payouts need to convert like charm. BUT, it's still just $1.5 worth of traffic, that's not that much and I wouldn't be surprised if you got served a high % of bots too ... Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't work with such an offer in the first place as I never had much success with so low payouts, but what I'm trying to say is that $1.5 in traffic is not enough to be certain about a few things ... especially when it comes to balanced distribution. Try to check how many placements you got visits from, with such small volumes, it's quite often served from a limited amount of placements and all it takes is one bigger and low quality placement to screw up the whole test.

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Haha. I agree with ya. I just want to get goin already! Also, it wasn't any of my AM's. It was one of the support members at PropellerAds. He was totally rude and short with me. Oh well. Is what it is.


Yeah totally. I'm stoked that it's all figured out.


Yeah I was hesitant to run such a low payout offer as well, but after talking to Amy, I figured it couldn't hurt to at least try. I didn't even look too far into it to be honest. I've read a few times that if there are no conversions after 10x the payout, it's suggested to stop running it. Without any conversions there really wasn't too much data anyway right? I mean, I guess I could have cut placements that were costing me a lot and continued running it. With no conversions, I just didn't see a point. Am I looking at this the wrong way?

Thanks Matej!



Update:

The $0.20 ZA offer from Gotzha is about to reach it's max budget of $10. As of right now it made a total of 10 conversions. I did cut some bad placements yesterday morning. It did help a lot, but with the campaign ending shortly, I never got it profitable. It was a good learning experience, mainly because I finally had a camp running long enough to get some data, and cut certain placements because of it.

I do have a question though. On that camp, I noticed that iOS was costing me a lot of money, and generating no conversions. I wanted to cut iOS out of the camp, but I didn't see a way to do this on PropellerAds. For OS and Platform, there are no "include" or "exclude" toggles. How would I go about cutting an OS from a Propeller camp?

-Chris

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Update:

I went through all of the landers I ripped the other day, and got five that should work out well. I went through each one yesterday, ripped out what I didn't like and made a lot of little changes. Today, I plan to change out the JavaScript on each one, so I know that they're all good. Once that's all done, I'll move onto the next step of Amy's guide.

-Chris

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Update:

Not a huge one, but I did get all five landers sorted out. On day 27, Amy suggested having at least two offers in this campaign. That was kind of an issue for me, since there aren't a whole lot of these offers in tier 3/4 countries to begin with. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a similar offer on either Gotzha or Mobidia.

I decided to check a few other affiliate networks that I signed up to, prior to joining this forum. I ended up finding a similar offer, in the same country, on PeerFly. So, I decided to add that one to the camp.

All said and done, the campaign has five rotating landing pages, and two rotating offers. I checked everything numerous times, on my mobile using a VPN. Everything looked great, so I decided to start running traffic to it from PropellerAds. It got approved right away, and is receiving some traffic as we speak.

As always, I'll continue to keep this thread updated.

-Chris

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Hello again

Nope you are right, without any conversions there is no optimization possible. My point was that you didn't really invest a lot, so it wouldn't hurt to spend let's say 5 bucks more, this is still like paying for education so don't cut everything after $2 worth of traffic.

Ok so finally some more conversions, even though the ROI was bad, you definitely learned a lot from this one, right?

I do see an option to target Android in propeller, make sure you select mobile traffic first though.



The screen is for push traffic, for POPs there are more OS to target.

If you struggle to find offers in the GEO you chose, simply move to another one, even if its a higher tier. By now you know how to set budgets, tracking works too, so it's not like you have no idea what you are doing. So I'd say it's safe to check a more competitive GEO, if the current ones are not cutting it and the absence of offers is holding you back from testing.

Looking forwards to your next report

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Not much to update but I wanted to let everyone know that I'm still alive and kickin.

Those two campaigns don't seem to be converting at all anymore. Tried changing creatives numerous times with no luck. Don't know what happened to be honest.

I've been thinking about giving Native a try lately, so I signed up to the MadSociety forum to check it out. I realized pretty quickly that I'm going to need way more cash than I feel comfortable spending, just to test and learn. Don't think I'm quite there just yet. Also, the forum is REALLY inactive and many of the threads are very old.

Outside of signing up to that forum and letting those camps run in the back ground, I haven't got much done in regards to AM. I've been super busy with offline stuff these last few weeks. I'm hoping that next week I can start getting stupid with it again. My plan right now is to stick with Push and see what I can make happen.

Anyway, that's all I got.

-Chris

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Hey Chris!

There are a lot of ups and downs in this business. When you're new, every winning campaign will make you feel like you're FINALLY getting somewhere so you'll want to clutch onto it for dear life. Pretty soon, you'll realize it's just a numbers game, where you test this and that on a regular basis, and pick the gems to scale. And campaigns ending just won't frazzle you anymore.

Sticking with push is a good option - it's still working for people. There are other things that are also working. I just came back from AWE - so many STM members dropped by the booth to tell me about their successes. It's true that the competition etc. may have gotten tougher and regulations have become stricter so there are fewer "well-converting" offers (most of those being shady / outright scams) around to take advantage of, but there are also newer and emerging business models to jump on as well. Pinterest is one, SHINEz is another (it's an old concept but very ingeniously-packaged), and of course push traffic is still all the rage right now.

And I'm seeing quite some people having success running CPA offers on FB and adwords, e.g. sweeps on FB using stickupkid's model. Accounts are getting shut down faster nowadays, but if you run small to moderate volumes from each account to stay under the radar, it's still very much doable.

Just some ideas.



Amy

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Hey Amy! I apologize for the super late reply.

Yeah, I'm realizing that more and more. I really felt like I was starting to get it and now I feel like I did a few months ago. I'll keep at it though, hopefully things will start looking more positive one of these days.


I really wish I could have went to AWE, it looked so awesome. Hopefully next year I'll be able to go and meet everyone.

It's unfortunate that everything has gotten so much harder, I guess that the way things go though. Gotta keep changing with the times or else we'll get left behind. I have been hearing a little bit about Pinterest as of lately. Haven't heard too much about SHINEz though, I'll have to look into it.


I'll definitely check out Stickupkid's FB threads and see whats goin on. If I'm not mistaken, I think I'd need to cloak with offers like that. I could very well be wrong though.

Anyway, thanks for the great suggestions Amy. I really appreciate it.

-Chris

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You WILL need to rent/buy accounts to run sweeps on FB, but if you stick with white-hat angles and spread your spend over multiple accounts (instead of drawing a lot of attention by scaling on a single account), you can still make really good money without cloaking, and without experiencing account bans (or at least only rarely).

stickupkid has good resources on how to get accounts. Also ask your clickdealer AM - they have arranged good discounts with one of the best (if not THE best) account providers in the industry.

Will stop here as we're not allowed to talk too much about account sales. You should have more than enough to go on though.




Amy

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Shit! I'm so sorry about the late reply. Idk why but I thought I replied back to ya.

That's awesome info about FB. I'd still like to test it out one of these days, all though it probably won't be for awhile (see below). If and when I do, I'd like to go white hat so I don't have to worry all the time. Reading all these stories about people going through accounts like crazy sounds awful. I guess it's part of the game though if you run BH.


So there really isn't a whole lot to update over here in regards to AM. I haven't ran any traffic for the last month or so. I've actually been working on a website that I can monetize using AM, so I still plan on doing AM, I just won't be doing it like I have been. The only real difference is, instead of sending traffic to simple landing pages, I'll be sending traffic to my site.

It's pretty exciting but at the same time pretty scary because I'm going up against a bunch of big dogs. I just try to keep reminding myself not to give up and to stick with it. If I do, it might actually turn into something.

Also, I hate saying it, but this is probably going to be my last message here on STM. I don't really come on here anymore and I don't have the cash to keep my account active. I wish I could stay but it doesn't make sense financially. Right now I need every little but for this new project.

I'd like to thank Amy and Matej for all of their hard work and everything they contribute to this great forum. I seriously appreciate all of the help you both have given me.

Anyway, that's all I got for now. I hope to be back here once finances allow.

Take care everyone,

-Chris

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Hi Chris! STM and AM isn't for everyone. We're really glad to have had the chance to accompany you on your journey while you were here.

There are a million ways to make money online. Having a legit website that actually provide value can turn into a long-term revenue stream. Yes it will take longer, but the payoff could be huge and revenue can roll in on semi-autopilot later on - unlike with paid traffic campaigns that need constant babysitting and keep dying on you all the time. Pros and cons.

Best of luck with all your endeavors Chris! Again, thanks for having given this a chance!



Amy

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