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Why products/offers with low payouts can make you more money? (14)


11-02-2016 02:02 PM #1 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
Why products/offers with low payouts can make you more money?

Pretty much every newbie to affiliate marketing is going to think this way : “Higher payout per conversion equals to higher profits!” Let me tell you why this is wrong on so many levels, and why offers with lower payouts can actually make you more money with the same $ spent on advertising.

THE CONVERSION FLOW

This is probably the most important factor. The more you are getting per conversion, the more complicated the conversion flow will be. Flow is the process that leads to a successful conversion. For example: a SOI (single opt in) email flow means the user has to enter their email address, hit some submit button and that's it. This is a simple flow and the payout for such conversion will be generally on a lower level.

Let's compare this with a DOI (double opt in) email flow. There is one more step required in order for the conversion to be considered valid – user has to open an “invitation” email and click on a confirmation link in it. As you can guess, not all users that submit an email address will actually open the email and confirm it, part of the emails are fake or full of typos … the general success rate is between 35%-70% depending on several other factors.

Obviously, a DOI offer will have higher payout than a SOI lead, but can you really earn more with it? This is a numbers game and you need to test it. In some cases it can work, especially when you are good at targeting and writing strong sales copy. But for many affiliates, it's just better to go with the SOI versions – it's easier to convert, conversions come in faster and you have more data to optimize faster.

There are many different flows, and it would be pointless to name them all, just let me mention a few extremes so you can imagine how different they can be. On one end, there are the so called Single Click Flow offers – these are usually mobile subscriptions in tier 3 countries, all it takes for the user to convert is to click on some “I Agree” button. These offers pay literally “cents” per conversion, but they are very easy to convert.

On the other end, you have offers that require a payment to be made – these can be tangible or info products, that people actually have to pay for, with their credit card for example. Or think about flows where the user has to call some number and talk with the support for a given amount of time, if they hang up sooner… no conversion. I'm sure you can see the HUGE difference between various flows by now.

GEO (COUNTRY) YOU ARE TARGETING

These days, you can sell something to users from pretty much any country in the world, ok except for North Korea … ) Every country has some specifics that determine how difficult it is to convert their citizens into paying customers or at least prospective Leads.

It's not possible to address the countries one by one, unfortunately. But I can still give you a few general pointers and examples, that will help you understand why it might be better to choose a low payout offer/product in this context.

High payout offers usually require a direct purchase to be made, and they can work very well in developed countries like United States, Canada or some EU country. But what about India for example? That country has almost 1.3 billion citizens, but they are not exactly wealthy, from the most part. Of course you can try to sell something to these users too, but the results won't be all that hot in most cases. But offer them a free mobile app or a Single Click Flow entertainment product and the conversion rates will be very good.

The difference between a high payout product and a low payout product is very simple: The first one (expensive product) appeals to a small audience, in case you can target it, the results will be good. The second one (free app or cheap subscription) appeals to pretty much anyone in that country, so you don't need precise targeting for it to work. So even tho the second one will have a much lower payout, the ease of converting it and the massive volume that you can use, will serve as a leverage and give you the possibility to make way more money with it. Damn, what a sentence, hope you understand what it was supposed to mean

I used India as an example, simply because it's the largest GEO that you can target without much limitations, China is even bigger but it's a specific and regulated market. But there are many more GEOs out there that work just the same way as India – Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand or go to Latam with countries like Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and don't forget the Arabic world too… the available volume is immense.

REGULATIONS OF THE GEO OR VERTICAL (Product Type)

More developed countries are ahead of the developing one in terms of regulations too. These markets are mature and the governing bodies are doing all they can to protect the consumers. This means that the more dirty tricks are already banned in EU or Northern America, but they still work in the rest of the world.

These don't have to be just flat out scummy tactics, but even things like where to place the “Call To Action” button – below or above the price quote … this can have huge affect on the conversion rate. Obviously, the less regulated this is, the higher the conversion rate will be. Developing countries have less regulations, so even tho the payouts per conversion will be lower, the higher amount of them will make up for that once again.

Then there are regulations bound to certain verticals across the world. Think about stuff like financial products, forex or commodities, pharmaceuticals and medical stuff in general, alcohol, tobacco … you need to follow a ton of rules when promoting these things and precise targeting is required again. So even thou the payouts will be very high, sometimes it's not worth the hassle.

COMPETITION BETWEEN AFFILIATE NETWORKS AND ADVERTISERS

There is one more factor that can play in favor of lower payouts, and this one is not so clear as the other ones I mentioned. Affiliate Networks and also Advertisers that own the products, are competing for traffic of the affiliates. They want YOU to send the traffic to THEIR offers/products. One of the tactics used is to give you a better payout per conversions. So in order to get more affiliates on board, they will offer way higher payouts than their competitors.

But how can 2 different affiliate networks give you a completely different payout, for the same offer from the same advertiser? The answer is easy, one of them will SCRUB more of your conversions than the other one. And as you can guess, it will be the one with the higher payout. NOTE: I'm talking about big differences, not a few cents. Every network operates with certain margin and they can use it to give bigger share to their best affiliates. Some networks also get bigger payouts from the advertisers by default...

Use common sense here please, in case you see the same offer with a payout of $5 at one network and $5.50 at the other one, this doesn't most likely mean shit. But differences like $5 vs $8 should ring a bell. When comparing rates, always make sure that you are comparing offers with the same flow and not SOI vs DOI for example.

Ending the post now, I think the most important parts have been covered.


11-02-2016 03:07 PM #2 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Good one!


11-02-2016 09:23 PM #3 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by cmdeal View Post
Good one!
Thanks! The questions about low payout offers keep on coming back, so I thought I'd explain it in more detail. Could be useful for our newbies


11-03-2016 01:56 AM #4 southstar (Member)

Matuloo, this is right on spot.

When I decided to return to AM earlier this year, somehow I read about lower payout offers being the best approach to gain more data with less money, optimize, and scale to interesting figures. My mind played games with me and I end up doing the opposite, going for mid-scale payouts at $20-$50 offers. You have seen my follow alongs, so you get the point... I am struggling to get enough data to optimize and I am reluctant to invest a ton of money to get it.

I wonder.......


D.


11-03-2016 03:26 PM #5 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by southstar View Post
Matuloo, this is right on spot.

When I decided to return to AM earlier this year, somehow I read about lower payout offers being the best approach to gain more data with less money, optimize, and scale to interesting figures. My mind played games with me and I end up doing the opposite, going for mid-scale payouts at $20-$50 offers. You have seen my follow alongs, so you get the point... I am struggling to get enough data to optimize and I am reluctant to invest a ton of money to get it.

I wonder.......


D.
Yup, the cost of data is one of the main problems when optimizing large payout offers. People on limited budgets shouldn't touch them without a set of banners/LPs, that they already know are working well. Testing all 3 parts ads/lps/offers can be a financial overkill.


05-21-2018 05:04 PM #6 jonathan (Member)

Very useful post & insights. @Matuloo. I think being able to easily advertise globally - from the comfort of your home - is one of the greatest opportunities of our time!


05-21-2018 07:15 PM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by jonathan View Post
Very useful post & insights. @Matuloo. I think being able to easily advertise globally - from the comfort of your home - is one of the greatest opportunities of our time!
Totally agree, I was literally blown away by the opportunities that the Internet has opened for all of us ... selling stuff to people from India, while sitting in an office in my small hometown in the middle of Slovakia ... that was something completely unimaginable, just a "couple" years ago


06-19-2018 03:49 AM #8 winkantipur (Member)

Thanks for such a wonderful post. Good thing to learn as a newbie here


06-19-2018 10:08 AM #9 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by winkantipur View Post
Thanks for such a wonderful post. Good thing to learn as a newbie here
You're welcome, ask away if there is something that needs clarification


05-12-2019 03:52 AM #10 chinopaisa (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
But how can 2 different affiliate networks give you a completely different payout, for the same offer from the same advertiser? The answer is easy, one of them will SCRUB more of your conversions than the other one. And as you can guess, it will be the one with the higher payout. NOTE: I'm talking about big differences, not a few cents. Every network operates with certain margin and they can use it to give bigger share to their best affiliates. Some networks also get bigger payouts from the advertisers by default...
Hi @matuloo, thank you as always for your insight, I'm curious what you mean by when 2 affiliate networks are giving you 2 different payouts for the same offer, that one of them is "SCRUBBING" more of your conversions?

What do you mean by "scrub?"

Thank you!


05-12-2019 07:40 PM #11 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by chinopaisa View Post
Hi @matuloo, thank you as always for your insight, I'm curious what you mean by when 2 affiliate networks are giving you 2 different payouts for the same offer, that one of them is "SCRUBBING" more of your conversions?

What do you mean by "scrub?"

Thank you!
Scrubbing means not giving you credit for a part of your leads. There both legit and fraudulent reasons for scrubbing leads. A legit reason can be leads that don't match the required GEO, a bogus email used at registration, certain "high risk" flags etc... The fraudulent reasons are mostly manipulation with the stats in order to increase profits for the affiliate network or the advertiser.


05-13-2019 03:04 AM #12 chinopaisa (Member)

Gotcha, thank you!


09-08-2019 10:31 AM #13 helpdesk247 (Member)

I agree - makes sense!


08-04-2022 04:06 AM #14 dienmykieugro (Member)

cmdeal ,a marvelous article, I'm a newbie, don't know how to promote offers in different regions,need I put my ads on different social media where different countries' people using?
BTW,as a newbie on STM,I don't know where could I find messages that others replied to me.....
Really newbie.....


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