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03-04-2019 12:24 PM
#1
mranderson (Member)
Not getting any conversions
I finished the 40 day guide. While I was doing it, I actually managed to find one profitable campaign for 2 days. A free iPhone sweepstakes offer in Kenya. I earned about 5 euros in profit.
Since then everything has been going downhill.
I switched to adult traffic, but have been getting 0 conversions.
I copied landers from spy tools. I tried creating my own banners. Zilch. Nada.
Since these campaigns failed I'm just going to post everything out in public in hopes that someone can tell me where I went wrong.
I'll post the two most recent campaigns I did.

Bosnia Casual Dating
I did pops on ExoClick
Warning: landing page has back button redirect
Landing page A: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/ba-whatsex-0319/A/index.html?device_name={device_name}&browser_name= {browser_name}&clickid={clickid}&campaign={campaig n}&trafficsource={trafficsource}
Landing Page B: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/ba-whatsex-0319/B/index.html?device_name={device_name}&clickid={clic kid}&campaign={campaign}&trafficsource={trafficsou rce}
Both copied from AdPlexity Adult spy tool.
You can see from the stats I got 0 conversions, lol.
Kenya WhatsApp Directory
Landing page A: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/casualdatingmar2019-ke/a/Find+your+match+NOW!.html?device_name={device_name }&browser_name={browser_name}
Landing page B: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/casualdatingmar2019-ke/b/flings.club.html?device_name={device_name}&browser _name={browser_name}&trafficsource={trafficsource} &domain={domain}
One thing I did neglect was buying domain names. But then I thought I would get at least a few conversions before I had to do that. There are people over here who direct linked and still got conversions.
Is that the only thing that is costing me conversions? It can't be so bad that I am getting 0, can it?
03-04-2019 01:16 PM
#2
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)
The LPs you used are ok, 2 of them could use some imagery (A in bosnia and B in Kenya) right at the first page. The B in Kenya has some images after the 3rd click, but the best is to show something enticing straight on the first page.
Domain names do not matter much with mobile traffic, they can help, but the limited size of the screen makes it pretty much impossible to see the whol URL, so the effect is lower than on desktop.
Since you're doing dating now, I'd switch to banner traffic or push notifications, POPs are harder when it comes to dating ... it can work, but it's quite common to run into quality problems too. And banner traffic converts better as well.
Also, exoclick is not the easiest source to start with, TJ, TS or TF are better for the start.
03-04-2019 01:33 PM
#3
mranderson (Member)
Thanks for the reply matuloo!
Yeah I feel like Exoclick traffic is not very high quality, but I already put in 200 euros.
I did a banner campaign for an adult game over the weekend. I took 2 banners for the game from some promotional art I found online, then I created one banner of my own by taking a screenshot and adding some text. All seemed to have the same click rate.
It got about 900 clicks but 0 conversions recorded. It was a DOI offer; I tried to play the game for a bit and realized that paying for the upgrades is not strictly necessary or upfront. I'm not sure if they tracked whether the people who clicked through.
What kind of offers work well for adult pop? Cams?
Thanks again!
03-04-2019 02:47 PM
#4
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
Thanks for the reply matuloo!
Yeah I feel like Exoclick traffic is not very high quality, but I already put in 200 euros.
I did a banner campaign for an adult game over the weekend. I took 2 banners for the game from some promotional art I found online, then I created one banner of my own by taking a screenshot and adding some text. All seemed to have the same click rate.
It got about 900 clicks but 0 conversions recorded. It was a DOI offer; I tried to play the game for a bit and realized that paying for the upgrades is not strictly necessary or upfront. I'm not sure if they tracked whether the people who clicked through.
What kind of offers work well for adult pop? Cams?
Thanks again!
Exoclick is not BAD in terms of quality per say, it's just the huge amount of publishers that they work with, that make this source a bit of hit or miss. You need to weed through the bad ones, to find the diamonds

Which might be challenging when you're just starting out and working with limited budget.
It was a DOI offer; I tried to play the game for a bit and realized that paying for the upgrades is not strictly necessary or upfront. I'm not sure if they tracked whether the people who clicked through.
A DOI offer should mean that some sort of confirmation is needed after the initial email signup, payment should not be required for the lead to become valid. Unless it was some CC submit offer... the payout level could give us a hint, how high was it per lead?
Cams work on POPs yes, but dating does too it's just a bit harder. Banners are simply easier to work with, though it requires the extra step of creating them ... nothing is easy though, you have to work for it
03-05-2019 06:42 AM
#5
mranderson (Member)
This was the gaming offer on ClickDealer: (65960) [WEB+MOB] Fap CEO - DOI /IT/PL/KR/SG - CPA - $1.60.
So it pays $1.60 and is DOI. I was running it direct, just tracker link and directly to the offer, and I tested it through by playing the game a bit, although I put in a fake email.
I think I will do SOI offers for cams using POPs for now.
03-05-2019 09:17 AM
#6
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
This was the gaming offer on ClickDealer:
(65960) [WEB+MOB] Fap CEO - DOI /IT/PL/KR/SG - CPA - $1.60.
So it pays $1.60 and is DOI. I was running it direct, just tracker link and directly to the offer, and I tested it through by playing the game a bit, although I put in a fake email.
I think I will do SOI offers for cams using POPs for now.
It's hard to make anything work without LPs these days, you need to heat the prospects up a bit. SOI or DOI, none of them will convert properly when you just direct link it. Time to get some LPs before you go on with testing
03-05-2019 11:46 AM
#7
mranderson (Member)
Alright man, I will try again. I did use LPs but just not for that campaign.
Cams using POPs with landers.
Maybe I will try push too.
03-05-2019 11:58 AM
#8
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
Alright man, I will try again. I did use LPs but just not for that campaign.
Cams using POPs with landers.
Maybe I will try push too.
Couple years ago, when I was running my own sites, I used to send my POPs traffic directly to some cam offers, they had LP builders so I could make my custom ones. The best working ones were those showing a listing of active cam girls, along with an auto-play pre-recorded show. I still see these in rotation, so maybe it still works. Though I think it's run by the cam platforms themselves, so it will be hard to compete against them because of the margins.
03-05-2019 12:45 PM
#9
mranderson (Member)

Originally Posted by
matuloo
Couple years ago, when I was running my own sites, I used to send my POPs traffic directly to some cam offers, they had LP builders so I could make my custom ones. The best working ones were those showing a listing of active cam girls, along with an auto-play pre-recorded show. I still see these in rotation, so maybe it still works. Though I think it's run by the cam platforms themselves, so it will be hard to compete against them because of the margins.
Honestly what you said makes me a bit discouraged from continuing to do adult traffic.
Originally my plan was to learn CPA on all these low cost networks, make some money, then bring that learning experience to Facebook marketing so I will know how to drive and scale traffic. Now I'm thinking maybe I should go directly into Facebook from the start.
Charles Ngo's latest course is just about white hat lead gen on Facebook, I wonder if maybe he sees that FB is the best traffic source for beginners now (as long as you have money to spend on ads).
03-05-2019 08:07 PM
#10
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
Honestly what you said makes me a bit discouraged from continuing to do adult traffic.
Originally my plan was to learn CPA on all these low cost networks, make some money, then bring that learning experience to Facebook marketing so I will know how to drive and scale traffic. Now I'm thinking maybe I should go directly into Facebook from the start.
Charles Ngo's latest course is just about white hat lead gen on Facebook, I wonder if maybe he sees that FB is the best traffic source for beginners now (as long as you have money to spend on ads).
Well, adult is not just POPs, actually there is way more volume OUTSIDE of the POP space. I'm not gonna spoon feed you some BS, POPs do work, but it's easy for the site/network owners to buy them directly as there is no creative work involved, just the LPs. With banners its a different story, they would have to optimize one more step and that's where our opportunity is, since they can't micro focus as much as we, independent affiliates can.
But focusing on FB is not a bad idea, that source has insane volumes of traffic and I doubt its getting anywhere, so yes, it has solid future for sure

Charles is a clever guy and leadgen has been around since like forever so making that match wasnt all that hard, but whether its the best option for newbies is a topic for a much longer debate. One with a promise? For sure. Best for the newbies... I'm not sure.
03-06-2019 01:40 PM
#11
mranderson (Member)
I went back to do the game campaign I mentioned above, this time I blacklisted 555.porn -- it had over 150,000 impressions without a single click and cost me €4. So something was wrong there.
So far I had one conversion but ironically it was from the US, a premium dating site. I didn't even target US lol. It's night time here, I will let it run overnight and check in the morning.
My second campaign I launched today was for JAVHD, a JAV site. I got banners from JAVHD themselves, I tested Japanese vs English since I thought maybe in Singapore, people would be intrigued by the Japanese banners. I was right, the Japanese banners have higher CTRs, but they are not converting yet.
03-10-2019 12:54 AM
#12
vortex (Senior Moderator)
Another vote from me for switching to FB. 
Some newbie-friendly models are:
Ecom - You can run ecom CPA offers with networks like GiddyUp, Magic Hygeia etc. Or you can set up a Shopify store and dropship from Aliexpress - caurmen's Ecommerce Cookbook would be a great start (just remember to progress from this model because it's harder to make money from it these days. Please ask for more details on how to build on this model if you're interested.)
Sweeps - https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post362269
There are a million and one types of offers and different business models you can make work on FB. There are also very good spy tools you can subscribe to, to see how other people are running ads and what they're promoting, that will give you ample inspiration.
Amy
03-10-2019 12:53 PM
#13
AdMaven (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
I finished the 40 day guide. While I was doing it, I actually managed to find one profitable campaign for 2 days. A free iPhone sweepstakes offer in Kenya. I earned about 5 euros in profit.
Since then everything has been going downhill.
I switched to adult traffic, but have been getting 0 conversions.
I copied landers from spy tools. I tried creating my own banners. Zilch. Nada.
Since these campaigns failed I'm just going to post everything out in public in hopes that someone can tell me where I went wrong.
I'll post the two most recent campaigns I did.
Bosnia Casual Dating
I did pops on ExoClick
Warning: landing page has back button redirect
Landing page A: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/ba-whatsex-0319/A/index.html?device_name={device_name}&browser_name= {browser_name}&clickid={clickid}&campaign={campaig n}&trafficsource={trafficsource}
Landing Page B: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/ba-whatsex-0319/B/index.html?device_name={device_name}&clickid={clic kid}&campaign={campaign}&trafficsource={trafficsou rce}
Both copied from AdPlexity Adult spy tool.
You can see from the stats I got 0 conversions, lol.
Kenya WhatsApp Directory
Landing page A: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/casualdatingmar2019-ke/a/Find+your+match+NOW!.html?device_name={device_name }&browser_name={browser_name}
Landing page B: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/casualdatingmar2019-ke/b/flings.club.html?device_name={device_name}&browser _name={browser_name}&trafficsource={trafficsource} &domain={domain}
One thing I did neglect was buying domain names. But then I thought I would get at least a few conversions before I had to do that. There are people over here who direct linked and still got conversions.
Is that the only thing that is costing me conversions? It can't be so bad that I am getting 0, can it?
There is a big chance you just picked to wrong GEO's. Not all networks have quality traffic in every GEO, We have GEO's that are performing less than then ideal in comparison to other Quality GEO's. Certain networks specialize on Specific GEO's. Maybe try and switch it up to more converting GEO's, or you can raise the bid. If it's Pop, Have you got the info on the Frequency of pop's you bought? There is a big difference on quality between 1st pop and so on.
I'm pretty sure there is something here were missing, but the more info you share the more we can help
03-10-2019 09:33 PM
#14
matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Originally Posted by
mranderson
My second campaign I launched today was for JAVHD, a JAV site. I got banners from JAVHD themselves, I tested Japanese vs English since I thought maybe in Singapore, people would be intrigued by the Japanese banners. I was right, the Japanese banners have higher CTRs, but they are not converting yet.
Do not try to promote paid sites on regular tube traffic ... not gonna work I'm sorry. You can see banners for adult paysites in the rotation, but it's almost always the site owners themselves, who get to keep the whole commission. If you want to work with general adult traffic (tubes & other free sites), focus on dating, male enhancement stuff and livecam... these are simply working the best there.
If you want to dabble into paysite promotion, you either need to build your organic traffic or focus on other acquisition channels, such as members areas of paid sites and dating sites, quality email lists, chat traffic ...
03-12-2019 06:07 PM
#15
vortex (Senior Moderator)
I took another look at the 1st post. 2 more thoughts:
1)Lander loading speed can be improved. At least one of them is taking over 2s to load - this is bad for pop. Are you using a CDN?
2)Are you running on Exoclick RON? If so, a very old but still relevant post may help introduce some perspective:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post200678
TL;DR: For moderate to large sized geos, Exoclick RON has many placement sites that can suck your budget dry very quickly and without many conversions. Use a proven good-quality placement first to test and find a great offer+lander first, and then setting that loose on RON, and then cutting placement aggressively is recommended. Even cutting based on very low/high CTR (compared to the average across most of the sites) would be recommended for the larger geos.
Amy
03-13-2019 12:18 PM
#16
zeropark (Senior Member)
Hey @mranderson
Our most successful adult advertisers tend to use a smart-link adult campaign with a few variations of the offers set up. Our top 5 countries for Pop and Redirect (No adult on push) are: IT, US, FR, BE and DE. If you would like a whitelist for these geo's let us know through support@zeropark.com 
Thanks
Zeropark.
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