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Facebook sweeps follow along (52)

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Hello, after a break of 3 years from IM i want to give it another try.

In 2015 i made 27000 Euro in Revenue in dating campaigns but honestly said i was at -3000 Euro in overall and i stopped. I had good days with 200 Euro profit but this days died out fast and i was not able to see stable green. At this time i also had some trouble with my offline business and it was anyway to much.

But in my head i always thought about coming back.

I also sell a niche product via FBA. I sell around 70 pieces on autopilot the month. I tried to push that more with social traffic but i was not able to make it profitable so i let it run like it is and think about adding some more products soon.

But with trying FB ads for this product i was thinking about using FB for IM and so i am here now.

So what i will try:

Sweep offer for female audience 30+ (in my homecountry, so i can test with mother language first)
It pays 2$. I tested this offer with some "blackhat"-posting in related groups and it converts.
The problem is that i only have one CPA- net work account left (maxbounty).
The ones i worked with in 2015 are not online anymore i think (smashrevenue for example).
I setup tracking with Bemob cause they have a free plan to start.
I use pixel tracking to get no problems with FB for the redirect.

I started running traffic yesterday to one campaign with three different images.
Two pictures got very bad CTR and cost around 0,35€ - 0,70€.
Still running one picture now. Will let it run a day now to see what will happen.

Today and tommorow i will not have much time to build new things.
I will test new things and update on tuesday.

Until now i have low clicks from Lander to offer and no conversion. I think maybe my angle is bad or a three question lander is to boring
for this kind of add. I will try a pure lander with one "call to action" button also.

What to do:
- Let this campaign run to see what more traffic to the last pictures will bring
- Building new camaigns with other angles
- Sign up to other CPA networks to get access to more offers
- I recognize that bemob is not showing the data i want from facebook. It looks i make something wrong here. It shows clicks and that but not
which picture got the clickthroughs. I put the right tokens into the url at adsmanager like it is descibed within the bemob support site but
its not working. Maybe i have to ask bemob support for further help.

Tuesday i will provide some data. Thank you

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Thanks for posting the follow along hadomi, curious to see your data on Tuesday.

There's some good examples of success in sweeps here -- stickupkid being one of them.

I'll be following, best of luck!

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Subscribing to this one!

I'm also running sweepstakes but on pops/native.

Here are a few proven networks that have quite a lot sweeps with good payouts.

- ClickDealer
-YepAds
- OliMob

Are you running this campaign from your personal profile? I'm asking because I also had an idea to test sweeps with FB, but I don't want to risk my personal Facebook ad account with a good reputation.

You're right regarding the CPC (0,35€ - 0,70€), it's super high. Test more images and targeted segments.

Which GEO are you testing?

Good luck man and looking forward to your updates and progress.

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Yoooo man! Kudos to getting back to it, and for certain this is a vertical that works right now!

Unfortunately you're gonna have to really work on your Ad game a bit man, it will be hard to ever see green with CPC that high in sweeps haha

Wakeboarder suggested some solid networks there, Gotzha, Advidi, Mundo some others who are relatively easy to get approved with are other good sweep options.

What does your ad look like now and demographic targeting? With sweeps it honestly comes down to testing MANY MANY images until you hit winners which you can rotate through to ease up on banner burnout. But the copy still has effect, and solid targeting can be the shift of red to green.

Have you been able to use a spytool or seen sweeps on your Facebook before, or just running blind to what you think might work?

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I am running Tier1 european country. Thanks for the info about networks. Need really some more.

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Yes, it looks my angle was total BS. Yes, i know to test lot more. Yes i just dive in blind without seeing any sweep campaings on facebook before .

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A small update.

I stopped this campaign yesterday evening.
I had one image with 0,22 € CPC (and this is still to expensive)at the end but the problem was the CTR from lander to offer was like zero :-) i think the clickers did expect something else then i was able to give them. Also i had some fear of using words like "win/money/the €-price of sweep" and things like that. How far can i go here? Does FB ban me only when i use worde or ads like this? for example: "Moms can win 250€ here!!" ???? i tried to work around that, but it does not work in this first test.

I started with a three questione lander i got only two clicks :-) and then i changed to a one question lander (with a script on it to make the full site clickable). But also with this lander i only got 3 more clicks :-)

so i had around 40 clicks from facebook but only 5 clicks in maxbounty and no conversion.

So to say the first test was absolutely BS.

Another problem is tracking. I setup anything on Bemob and use no redirect but pixel tracking on landing page. Clicks from facebook and to offer are showing correctly but in reports i cannot see the data from the url-parameters i setup within the FB-campaign. At the moment i do not know exactely what the problem is. Wrote to Bemob support. Hope they will help me out there.

I will wait to setup new campaign until i know the problem with tracking. Cause one thing i remember from my dating campaigns years ago: sometimes the cheapest clicks are not the clicks with best conversion rate. Its for sure important to get really cheap clicks with offers that only pay that low, but its important to know which adset/image brings in the conversions.

Maybe in the time till new setup someone can help me to clear if anyone is using titels like "Win 250$!" or if all of you using angles without telling exactly that there is something to win :-)

Also i will work hard on my images. read here in the forum still some good tipps to use some filters and some red on the images. will play around with it.

more updates soon. Thank you

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You can use words like win and free ofcourse. But you wil probably trigger some FB eyes too yes!

Make sure you work step by step, before launching stuff;
- get your tracking in place
- read some stuff about angles and possible conversion wordings
- find time to gather some good/unique/hq/interesting images

And for next test give it some more time. 40 FB clicks is nothing ofcourse. I know it might hurt it cost money but trust me, some good testing is needed to learn the basics and more...

Good luck!

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Very True..This Business is all about losing money->gaining data(also experience)->utilising the experience learnt for next campaign->making money. So basixally you never lose money here if you’re focused..Just keep developing!

All the best!


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Thanks. Yes sure. I know that 40 clicks are nothing. But i think it makes no sense to let run ads that have really no potential. I am ready to lose money. But when i let run an ad to an offer and got only a few clicks CTR from lander then i think there is something really wrong and must change it. I know that testing is anything. For now i still wait for support from bemob tracking. After that i will start new campaigns.

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yes sure. like i wrote before i have done dating in 2015 and lost much money and tested a lot. i know that not the first campaign will bring me millions :-) but with my first facebookcampaign was to much wrong to let i run further in my opinion. will set up new ones after i got help with my tracking problem. thank you

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You can use win and free words if you're running small amount of traffic. Big numbers will definitely attract a manual review...
Setup your tracking before sending more traffic.

All the best!



LeadCloak

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I can’t see how the maths is going to work out with a low paying sweeps offer. You might have more potential running a credit card submit, the offers are pretty much the same, but with a higher payout

With 10c clicks and a $2 payout you’ll really struggle to break even, a landing page is essential and that’s going to impact the overall conversion rate even more


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Yup that CPC is way too high - test more images to get that CTR up and CPC down.

But keep an eye on the conversion rate - if the high CTR doesn't translate into conversions then it's no good.

As for good networks for sweeps offers - this thread has some of the best:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-in-march-2018

Hope that helps!



Amy

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Like Nickpeplow suggested here, the low payout offer is most likely working against you on a quality more expensive source like Facebook. Not saying its impossible to make low payouts work, but for a newcomer it might be a difficult task.

Can you find higher payout/proven converters for your chosen geo to split test in?

You definitely need to join more networks to broaden your offer selection.

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10ct could "easily" become 5ct with the right image/angle ofcourse. That will make a huge difference already. Thereby find some better converting advertisers and you got a decent case. Doing CC submits requires some more advanced skills ofcourse, and definitely a pile of fresh accounts since they will go down in short time. Lots of complaints too when running CC's in general.

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@stickupkid, Can you tell more about the complaints you mentioned above?

Thanks!


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short update:

i signed up to some more affiliate networks

expertmobi
sinum vendo
glize
adcombo

problem is that most of the networks want to have screenshots of past earnings and want to have more proof or whatever (so i decided to test this four cause they have not much questions in signup process). so that i am doing nothing since 2015 i can only show invoices from that time. i am just starting out again.

from sinum vendo i got a confirmation immediately (does anybody know this network? is it a legit one?)
from expertmobi i also got a confirmation but you have to aks for any offer to get for use

with the tracking problems i had some short news from bemob support but nothing i could not see myself. so i will just test it again and i think i know where i made the mistake.

i will setup now some new adds and put them life the next hours. at the moment i am focusing on doing good ads with high CTR and low CPC price. By the way i will insert more offers from different networks to see which is converting with the traffic.

this is just for testing. when i have some more experinece i think about to go on the cc offers and doing it with much more FB accounts and such things.

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I know Sinum Vendo, never did business with them, but I know they are legit. Good luck!

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I have now one new campaign in FB.

Just only one for now cause i want to test first if tracking with FB url parameters is working now or not.

I added new pictures and played around in Photoshop to bring some more attention to them like i have read here in some threads (i think it was from sickupkid. thanks for that!)

Still waiting when traffic somes in. Will update tomorrow. I will also begin to add my costs and rates to the thread tomorrow to go more into detail.

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Thanks for your positive comment @Stickupkid!

@Hadomi, you know where to find me if you need some advise or anything related to the campaigns. Thank you for choosing us ofcourse!

Good luck and I will be following your follow-along thoroughly.

All the best
Bobby

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Welcome to my little update.

First the good news:

- Tracking the URL parameters are working now. I can see which images bring in the clicks. That´s really fine.

On the other site i found out that my ads are really not aggressive enough. Again with the newest campaign i got very bad CPC costs. Also with some changes of the pictures and with red arrows and such stuff i was not able to come under the 0,22€ the click. And that is by far to much.

So i decided to stop that and build other kinds of ads.

I signed up to the blackhat spytool. it is 1$ for one day trial. I took some look there and found out that there where some much more aggressive ads running and decided to do it like that. I do not know if they are using cloaking for that. I will see if my ads go life (they are under review right now).

Another problem is that traffic is coming in very slow. It reaches not the daily amount i did setup. For the new ad i will setup higher daily amount. Maybe its going more near the amount i want with it. I need much more traffic to collect more data. This slowness makes me impatient :-)

The CTR from lander also was a horror. I think the whole angle was BS again and i must use more straight to the point ads. I know that i have not collected much data but when i see this BS CPC i know with this ads is something very wrong and will never ever be better performing. I must change.

I will do that and will see if i am on the right way.

From today on i will write down an overview about costs/revenue/roi in overall and when the new ads are live i will provide the data from them also.

Spent total: 18.66€
Revenue: 0€
ROI:-100%


So hope that new ads go live soon and that traffic comes in.

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UPDATE: the ad is approved and live now

That´s great. I know now that they will approve my more aggressive ads. I will setup some more now and hope they get approved too.

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I'm glad that your tracking is working now! Can't wait that you get some valuable feedback from senior guys here and we all learn something new.

Regarding the bhspy.com ... all ads there are from blackhat campaigns and money pages are cloaked. For some ads, you can see the red button GET LP and download cloaked lander.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that looking for inspiration with a tool like bhspy.com is definitely a great strategy and I'm doing this all the time.

I love your detailed and focused follow along so far.

Keep up the good work man! Conversions and revenue will come sooner or later.

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Just ran into your FA hadomi, good to see more live action in the FB jungle good luck!

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Hello to my little update.

- I was able to find an related angle and picture that brings me now clicks for 0,07€. Traffic is now rolling. Other pictures had CPC round 0,20€. That was to much and i deleted them.
- Also my first conversion comes from the picture with lowest clickprice.
- The Problem is that the CTR from my lander was under 20% and the convertion rates sucked of the offer. I got 35 clicks but only one conversion.
- I decided to splittest against another offer (similar sweep with same supermarket brand) with lower payout. Until now i have 15 clicks to it and one conversion. Will see how this works the rest of the day.
- Cause the landing page have that low CTR rate i also made some little adjustments here and hope that works. Otherwise i will never be able to make profit with such low payout offers. I need much higher CTR

sorry i am not able to provide more info today. Will update soon

Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 27.23€
Revenue: 2.37€
ROI:-91,29%

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Hello to my small update

-The campaign is not running good
- splittested three offers now (SOI, supermarket sweeps for same brand)
offer 1: 35 clicks (1 conversion)
offer 2: 37 clicks (1 conversion)
offer 3: 40 clicks (0 conversion)
- my landing page have now a CTR of 41% and the CPC of my adset is 0,06€

so how can i find out now if 1) my whole funnel is not good and the people are to sceptical to fill out something or just think it is big fake (i had 2 bad comments that i deleted and 1 bad unlikes but also two likes on the ad) or 2) if the offers are not that good (i tested three and all are bad)... i don´t know

maybe just my adset and the landingpage gives the user not a good feeling or they think something different and don´t like sweeps.

i let only run the first offer with the new lander for some more euro now and then decide what i will do. your help is welcomed. thank you

Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 47.25€
Revenue: 4.34€
Profit(loss):-42.91€
ROI:-90.81%

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Interesting thread, subscribing. Never did sweeps, but I would say the payout is too low to turn your campaign to green? Just guessing...what do experts say? I think you would need to convince people to share your post so more people will see it for free.

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I have read some threads here where people are able to make profit with sweeps in FB. At the moment i focus on understanding what angles and landers work. will see if profit is possible with low payout offers.

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Welcome to my little update

One day more and i decided to change the following:
- setup a new fanpage (the first i have used was with a woman related "slogan" in the name of it. This maybe looked to spammy.)
- setup a new three question LP.

used the best picture and add some similar ones to check performance. the funny thing is that the best picture from my last campaign is also by far the best performing one in CPC with the new campaign. At the moment it is at 0.10€. But i hope that i goes down with more traffic to only to this picture now. The other pictures again have much higher CPC and it makes no sense to let them run with such low payout offers.

I hope i test this time not to much new things cause i changed ad/LP but i think a longer "presale" with three questions could perorm better than only one cause the CR was very low till now. Only three conversions in overall.

I still splittest two differnt offers from same supermarkt brand with two networks.


Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 67.27€
Revenue: 6.70€
Profit(loss):-60.57€
ROI:-90.04%

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Welcome to my little update

Yesterday nothing special happened. I lowered the budget a bit down cause it makes no sense to raise it and make no profit with it. so i let this campaign run with some lower and will ad a new campaign today. I have much time to work on things today and start a new angle/offer combination. I am full of power and confidence :-) ... let´s go to work now...

Yesterday: 763 clicks (44.47€) > 383 clicks to offer > 35 conversions (70€)

Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 557.98€
Revenue: 606.43€
Profit(loss):48.45€
ROI:+8,68%

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Congrats, looks good! Only problem seems to be scaling - how is it possible that your CPC raised when you increased budget? I dont understand it, can somebody tell my what could be behind this? Is it because audience is too small and same people already saw the same ad??

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Here are some info about it. Maybe it had something to do with it: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Ads-since-2014!

Don´t know. I am also not able to get a new image with that low CPC like i had at the beginning.

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Scaling means more volume. More volume means more people seeing your ads who are not interested. CTR drops -> CPC goes up. It's an art to find the right balance of scaling budget + keeping the CTR on point. Some go heavy from 20 to 500 to 1000 in just a couple of days with succes, other do 10% per 2-3 days with succes.

At the end you need to create a very healthy ROI from start to KEEP good ROI when scaling... if you do 100% ROI on 0,10cpc, try to get 0,05cpc so when you scale you have quite some margin to "spill".

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Welcome to my little update

Played around with a new campaign yesterday but it was not so promising. My fault was that i did not choose a offer/angle that is easy to target. It was to broad i think. The clicks were very expensive. So i must rethink and better stay with "real supermarket" brands first.

The good was that the clicks for my first campaign dropped back to a lower CPC. (but today to increase again :-) i hope it will go down again during the day)

Cause i work with a german VPS i also started to setup a CDN for further campaigns in other GEOs. I think its time to go this way now cause its not easy to find good offers just for one GEO.

Yesterday: 871 clicks (48.64€) > 444 clicks to offer > 42 conversions (84€)


Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 606.62€
Revenue: 690,43€
Profit(loss):83,81€
ROI:+13,82%

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Getting close to the 3-figure/day in profits milestone! Just a matter of time now. And your ROI is increasing all the time too.

Time to put this thread in the newsletter!



Amy

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That's great!




LeadCloak

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??? i think you misunderstood me :-)

This are the overall stats from the whole follow along not from one day! And the ROI is going down from day to day :-) But i work on it to get there... thank you

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Welcome to my little update

Again the CPC is going up and the CR and ROI is going down again. I have some similar picture which i put on rotation. Maybe it´s some kind of "bannerblindness" that is making the CPC higher every day. Normally i thought Facebook is showing this ad only to unique people in the audience but maybe i am wrong.

Had some trouble to setup CDN for other Geos and support from CDNsun was absolutely unfriendly and they say i should come back when i really have traffic and such shit just cause i ask some questions :-) (and they just did not know how much traffic i have). I tested their url they gave me in Pingdom tools and the results were slower then my origin Url from my german VPS. And i just asked them how this could be and what i do wrong...and the support gets very unprofessional and irritated.

Today later i check if i just switch completely to Amazon AWS/cloudfront or just try another CDN. The problem is that i have not much time the next three days and this is making me crazy...but i am satisfied where i am at the moment. So everything cool :-)

Okay for the understanding (maybe my english is not so good that you all understand me): the overall stats i post at the end of every day´s new post i do is the overall numbers from the beginning till the new day and NOT from one day. I am far away to the xxx/day numbers in profit.

Yesterday (stats) was bad again in ROI:
776 clicks (50.08€) > 371 clicks to offer > 29 conversions (58€)

Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 656,70€
Revenue: 748.43€
Profit(loss):91.73€
ROI:+13,96%

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Welcome to my little update

Another 24 hours gone by in my timezone (it´s late now) and the day was again very disappointing. And FB fxxked me up :-)
I took a pic live (by accident) with a CPC for 0.12€ and as i see it after 20 minutes i stopped that pic and facebook let it run like crazy for 30 minutes more. Clicks came in and in and i got 135 clicks. I never saw that i got so much clicks from one image with that budget in that short time. It seems a bit like a bug or they just wanted to make me mad :-) Also the lander CTR and CR was BS with this pic.

Okay. The rest of my campaign also did not run good. The CR of offer was bad. The CPC goes up again and i added two new pics.
Okay the result of the day was a little in the red again. This campaign is such an up and down. Puh. I hope i will find a campaign soon that is a bit more stable or better said predictable.

I signed up with cdn77 (CDN) and it looks really good. The site is very professional and anything is easy to setup. I think i give it try with my german VPS. Will test the performance tomorrow morning. Then i have to check for new offers to test in other Geos.

Today´s stats:
702 clicks from Ad to lander (54,89€) > 305 clicks from LP to offer > 26 conversions (52€)

Spent total: 711.59€
Revenue: 800.43€
Profit(loss):88.84€
ROI:+12,48%

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Welcome to my little update

Yesterday i stopped the campaign. It just did not make money anymore and i do not know why. no way to get cheaper clicks (tested a lot of similar pics) and the EPC from offer went down. I do not know what the problem was. Maybe facebook shows my ads not to the right audience anymore or spread broader to generate more clicks? i will never know.

And now the hardest part of yesterday: my first FACEBOOK ad account is banned. They banned me after i stopped the campaign :-) I do not know why after this, but they did. I really did it not very agressive in my ads. Okay it´s part of the game.
Still have one account more. I must check how to get more accounts. I started farming but it need much more time and also when is see that this account is banned (it was over three years old), how should i work with new farmed accounts. i think no way this will work?!

When anyone have some more infos here please send me PM. Thank you

At the moment i work on for other geo´s. the problem is that my VPS is in Germany. I tried to work with CDN but in some countries the sites loading longer then 2 sec. just with CDN. This is to slow.

Also i set anything with AWS and cloudfront and nsone like i found here a tutorial in the forum. but i got a error message when i load the page. i do not know what i did worng. i made anything like in tutorial.

the aws url itself WORKS
the cloudfront url itself WORKS
but when i try my domainname i got "
403 ERROR

The request could not be satisfied.

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Bad request.

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Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront)
Request ID: o7xZlbS858RQD3CHJyeyzdJX40vNkX4B7T1UsFx2vMKjDVRARC 9EXg==
"
What did i wrong?




Overall stats (today not included):

Spent total: 736.33€
Revenue: 818.43€
Profit(loss):82.10€
ROI:+11.14%

no campaign running right now. will start hopefully asap.

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These lead gen campaigns are not allowed on Facebook. So it's not strange they banned you eventually. Farming needs a proper setup regarding ip's/user agent management/canvas finger printing/payment methods. But also the "farming" itself needs to be convincing; unique photos, daily activity, natural behaviour regarding gaining friends and other activities.

There are plenty of people offering FB accounts, from 1 dollar to 1000 dollar per account. Up to you to test and see what/which is working best!

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Okay. It looks like I have a problem with my second FB account also. I see nowhere that the account is banned but when i add a new campaign it goes "active" but i do not receive any impressions. It just happen nothing.

i use a new domain for my landing pages but i add the same name for the invoices. I have read that this would be okay and no problem for ban but maybe this was a failure.

Has anyone an idea? thank you

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I have got a message from facebook. They did not just banned me but they ask that i have to confirm my identity and my payment option. I think its the same like a ban cause they will check anything manually. okay. It looks like that it is no good idea to use the real name several times.

For me it means now that i have no adaccount.

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So buy a new farmed facebook ad account...




LeadCloak

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Oops! I DID misunderstand!

I thought you were posting day-to-day stats!

Apologies for the mistake! But on a positive note, you're still in profit overall - that's a feat in itself, no?

All the best!



Amy

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sure. I am very satisfied with my progress. I did not think to get there that fast. so it´s okay. Just now i need to get more into the account-thing. But i think there are solutions for that. Thank you

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Am I stupid?

After the trouble and ban of my two accounts I got a account from a good friend.
It is some years old but had not much activity the last months. So i activated abit the last days and have a whitehat campaign run slowly the last two days. anything worked fine (with a new visacard i never used before).
Today i paid the first invoice and thought okay it could be a good time to start slowly with my CPA campaigns, But WTF?
As soon as i added a soft sweeps campaign my account was banned again :-( it just needed five minutes. how can this be?

I have setup new LP (domain). New visacard for payments.

Don´t know what the problem was. The GEO? or is it just my real name on the visa?

Sorry this is a point for me to say Facebook is maybe not the thing for me cause i really do not know what i make wrong or how to make it better.
I found providers for more accounts but how can i work with them when i just not know how to do it better?

Facebook was so great as a new start but maybe better to think to use other traffic sources again. Don´t know.

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https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...s-Your-Account

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:-) yes thanks. But now its time to find out which point is the reason for my ban...

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little update: i started to farm own accounts now. Hope to get some news here the next weeks. Also looking for more info to run it without problems. Please PN when someone like to help me. Thank you

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Figuring out how to delay account bans is the number one difficult thing.

Admire your tenacity and persistence!



Amy

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