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Starting my journey with this offer ! (24)

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Hello Guyes

It's about 2 days since i joined the STM Forum. I went and read the the first 7 days of the 40 days newby chanllenge, Since I'm already Fimilliad with Setting up trackers and lunching campaigns i went and took just some tips like the Non-aggressive rules and 1/2 level positive signs,...etc

So this is the offer i lunched yesterday:

Vertical: Mobile Content
Payout: 0.43$
Country: Thailand

And these are the results:


As the 40 days newby guide says, If the ROI < -50% it's hard to make the campaign profitibale. But the thing is that my traffic source shows 20,000 impression and on the tracker only 13,000 arround 7000 was lost, so i considered Re-lunching the campaign with a landing page and cutting some bad placement ! What do you think guyes ?

PS: The placement from where i've got the 2 conversions are profitibale till now check the picture down:

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Hey Bilel!

Great that you already started launching campaigns!

The traffic lost that you experienced is called click loss and it's quite common with pop traffic.
Don't forget to count that in even with those profitable placements -> they are profitable with the traffic that come in as your tracker doesn't know about the lost traffic.
So you have to check on your traffic source for the real costs.

How much did you spent overall? There are 2 conversions which is good, but that could be just luck, you need more data. If the placement will constantly give you more conversions, that will be a good sign.

In any case you should test more offers, to get better idea. This might give < -50%, another may give you -20%.

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Yeah I did count the loss traffic and even with that those placement are in profiti. I spend only 10$. And yes i'm already testing more offers hopefully i find one with > -50% In ROI

Thanks

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Not bad, hopefully those placements will bring in some more conversions.

Wish you good luck man!

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Thanks Mate you 2 ^^

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Hello Again
Well after a lot of testing i found this one offer that generated only 3 leads in 20,000 impression but i think it can do more, why ?
Well the thing is that i generated 2 conversions from one placement in wich i checked the bid on that same placement and it was half price my bid and it had arround 22,000 impression per day according to propeller ads statistics *.*
What are your opinions guyes ??
Ps: didn't know whether i should right another follow along or should i just comment here, hope to get some answers any way ^^
This is the result picture, it is sorted by number of vistis:

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You could theoretically try to create small whitelist campaigns, targeting only certain sources ... those that converted, those that shows solid LP CTR etc ... and optimizing the bid for these smaller target groups. This would make your bidding more optimized ... for example the spot you mentioned that had lower max bid, so you were probably overpaying.

HOWEVER, such detailed optimization is very time consuming and often impossible from a number of reasons ... you'd be hunting for pennies by doing a LOT of work.

The way I see it now, there is some problem with your funnel, maybe the offer is not that good, maybe it's your LPs ... I would focus on finding something that performs better unoptimized, then try to improve the performance with optimization tweaks.

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Thanks alot Mutalo,

Yeah i heard the same thing from my AM, and i'm currently working on finding other offers that work better, I really I'M. The problem is that i'm direct linking and i tested arround 16 offer untill now and start thinking that there is no possible way that i find one that at least is in -60% ROI with popunders ads so i can optimize it.

i start thinking that i need to use a landing page, Really alot of thoughts and i'm a bit confused wheather should i keep testing offers untill as you said i find something that performs better unoptimized or i need to start creating some landers !!!

My Faith in directlinking with popunder is getting down day by day ;-(

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You will not become profitable with POPs without using LPs, those days are over. There are people who can do this of course, but they have lots of experience, they know the good offers, they have better payouts ... as a newbie, you cannot compete with them. The sooner you learn how to use LPs, the better for you.

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Yeah i think we as affiliates always try to avoid landing pages due to our lazyness. What yous aid seems really reasonable. The problem is i don't know much about coding so i use Adobe muse to create simple landers. For the moment i think i'm going to spy on some competitors and get theire landers and edit them a little bit of course, the thing is, i heard some people saying that affiliates hide some malware and spying codes or i don't know the word exactly on theire landers ! is that true ? if so ! what can i do about landers that i did get from the spying tools in general ?

PS: haha sorry i asked too much questions ^^

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Hello guyes and hope you're doing Great
Here I am again with the last offer that @mutalo advised me to leave it and look for a better offers, i just tried to use it with 2 landers this time ! but the results were completly diffrent ! No conversions at all this time ! hope someone could explain to me this, knowing that i changed the BId and think that the change was the problem, don't know for sure ?

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Well, probably bad landers, or you bought crap traffic. It's not like every lander will work, poor lander can actually make your conversions worse.

You will have to learn hot to make/rip/edit landers ... or hire someone to do it for you, there is no way around this.

Here is a great thread about how to deal with ripped LPs : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ripped-landers

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The problem is that i have no idea how a mobile content (wallpaper, latest videos, game) landers looks like !! should it be similar to the offers page or what !! for example antovirus landers generally are warning users and countdown adn stuff, but what about mobile content landers ? how they should look like ? it would be great if you have an example
thank you

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It depends, for 1click/2click use simple landers.
Gather interest and make the landers somewhat similar to the offer.
The flow is simple so the landers can be simple as well.
Make them curious about the offer and get them to click through.

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Now i can finally focus on seomething without being confused by the lander options. Thank you so much @twinaxe i really needed to know about this.

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Sure, no need to overcomplicate the things.
Try to keep things simple but effective

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Yeah sue i'm gonna focus more on the content and getting the vistors attention

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There are basically 2 types of LPs for mobile content offers:

1. Wall of thumbs with content previews, so basically trying to show some enticing images to raise interest and make them click ... this is the method that twinaxe already mentioned above.
2. Trying to sell the content as something they don't normally get access to, or it's something they shouldn't be seeing at all ... think about age restriction warning, private/secure/underground areas, soon-to-be-banned ... usually it's just a WARNING page with a strong but short copy.

I've done great with both in the past.

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Thanks Matuloo, I will do my best, even thought i'm currently running some campaigns but 0 conversion till now, My motivs are getting down a little bit but i'm doing my best

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Mobile content offers billed through the carrier are almost done for now, the easy flows have been regulated so it's very hard to make it work. I would suggest to test different vertical ... most POP affiliates are pushing sweeps, some games etc ...

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I wanted to run sweeps but the problem is that they are really rare in tier-3 countrys, i really can't find any of them arround.

Isn't this exactly what i'm doing right now ?! or you mean game install offers !!

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Did you try looking at offervault and odigger too? And if there aren't any in the GEOs you picked, try to switch to a different one. Just don't target US, UK etc ...

I've also seen some browser games being promoted on POPs, especially in the adult space.

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Yes i did and didn't find much, i will take a look in other websites like affbanks

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First of all - profuse apologies for arriving so late! I have no idea how I've missed this thread - my excuse is I've been away on the China tour.

But enough excuses! Here's my advice bilelbboy:

1)Forget direct-linking, AND forget 1/2-click offers. It's a GREAT exercise for practice and learning, and you've already launched a couple of those. Time to move onto landers!

And I would suggest not to even test 1/2-click offers, even with landers. It's difficult to make them profitable, period - unless you run blackhat. And even THEN it would still be hard.

2)Instead, pick something like sweeps in tier 3/4 geos (i.e. developing countries), fix up a bunch of landers from Adplexity, and just get familiar with the test approach I described in the 40-day tutorial.

In addition to the 40-day tutorial, these threads can help...

See the end of this post for a method on running sweeps on pop: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post293497

How to find aff networks for sweeps offers: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post354453

A good explanation on how to test offers and landers: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post348214

Follow these, and ask questions. Now that I've replied to your post, I'm subscribed to it - when you update, I will see it in my feed. Will not miss so many updates again!

Getting started is hard. Nobody said it would be easy! But the 40-day tutorial makes it doable. Yes, you will have to test extensively. Maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 campaigns will work, but if you test smartly and scale properly, the winning campaigns will make back all your losses and more. Don't get discouraged by the lack of results - know that if you keep testing, you'll find something that works. It will get easier.




Amy

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