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Any update for the redirect issue? Tracker recommendation to avoid this? (17)

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Hi,Everybody

Reference with the thread
“https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...hlight=Voluum”

Just want to call any update for this redirect issue:
Great thanks to any reply in advance!

1. Issue status: Is this redirect issue still exist for FB Ads,even for WH?
2. Voluum status: For the tracker voluum ,has this problem been solved ? I saw the reply from voluum that they have Visit Tracking Pixel in beta version for this, has the “Visit Tracking Pixel” been consolidated into the normal version ?
3. Tracker recommendation: So till now , any tracker would you recommend to avoid this issue?
4. Self hosted tracker VS Cloud managed tracker:Since in the above thread ,I saw Zeno comment as below:“If people are using custom domains and getting flagged, it could be from the type of parameters being used in the URL - I doubt its from them doing DNS resolution to see where the CNAME points, seeing a voluum-related domain and disapproving based on that” Does that mean maybe in the future ,custom domain with self hosted tracker will be better solution for FB tracking ?

Thanks again to any reply and update !

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Yes, it still existst and probably will stay like this.
Redirects can also be associated with cloaking so I don´t think it will change.

I didn´t read an update to this, I guess it´s still in Beta stadium.

Binom, there you even have two options for zero redirect tracking.
You have landing page pixels and also integrated landers.
Both options wrk with no redirects from tracking link to lander.

It can trigger suspection when there are certain pattern in the URLs that are known to be used by trackers like Voluum.
There I can also recommend Binom, you can customize the URLs alot so that you don´t leave such footprints



Another thing you should consider is using secure HTTPS domains.
There were several threads about it recently and it gets more and more important.
In Voluum you have to pay additional $49/months for SSL, in Binom you can have unlimited SSL certificates for your tracking domains and landing page domains for free.

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First many thanks to you twinaxe

With your notes , I just searched for Binom!
It is also a self-hosted tracking platform !
So also you comment "It can trigger suspection when there are certain pattern in the URLs that are known to be used by trackers like Voluum"
So maybe with self-hosted trackers , this problem will much easier to overcome?
Also just want to know
any one with Funnelflux or Prosper202 can solve this issue?
Any one can share their experiences with Prosper202 or Funnelflux for the redirect issue?

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If you don't have access to the beta Visit Pixel in Voluum, you can just contact their support and they will enable it for you. It solves the problem with Facebook completely.

Currently in Voluum, in all plans you can enable SSL on your dedicated tracking domain for no extra cost.

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Thanks diamond !

Just from this redirect issue , seems pull me back to the long standing debate ——

Reference with nature core path using tracking as affiliate

Self hosted tracker VS Cloud managed tracker

Which will be better for long time running with FB as maybe being under heavy siege lately make Facebook go back to the point " they do not like affiliate?"

Thanks again for any reply!

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Funnelflux also has the option to track without any redirects at all. Also, using its PHP and JS gives you the most flexibility compared to any tracker out there

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Thanks!

Just considering move to the self hosted tracker

But also worry about maybe too many tech details to deal with them like Funnelflux

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You don’t need to. FunnelFlux has also a managed version where they handle all the tech stuff for you

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Thanks!

Is there any discounts for STM member with FunnelFlux managed version now?

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Also interested. Currently a Voluum user but thinking of switching

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You can read more about our promo here - https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...Your-STM-Promo

TL;DR - you get $100 credit on the managed system (which applies to your second month), you just have to use this page to sign up - https://www.funnelflux.com/partner/stm/

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You don't have to worry about tracker and server setup with Binom.
It has a 1-click installer that installs the whole server full automated.
Or just ask support and they will do it for you.
Before I switched from Voluum to Binom I also tested Funnel Flux besides few other trackers but in the end Binom was the best I tested.
Just test different trackers, in best case they offer you free trials so that you can test them at no cost.
Binom has a live demo that you can check and they also offer 14 days trial.
I also can show you how to get a longer trial.

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"Best" is relative and depends on a person's own needs. I don't doubt Binom is best for you, as I see you talk about it in quite a lot of your posts, but anyone interested in both Flexibility and Speed would rather choose FunnelFlux.

For the flexibility, I don't see how you could create complex funnels that can rival with FunnelFlux's visual editor.

Can you do for example auto optimization at any point of a funnel with Binom?

Can you track the LTV of leads and see all funnels they have visited in the past?

Can you track vendor funnels super easily, with upsells/downsells, and integrate that with ClickFunnels or Clickbank?

Can you go as far as having your visitors follow different paths based on their local weather?

Can you quickly test a competitor's lander without even having to download it?

And about speed, we had a customer send us some Blitz tests he did when he compared Binom/Thrive/FunnelFlux. According to his tests, FunnelFlux was the fastest of the 3. Here are some interesting snippets:

Binom - 1 to 100 visitors summary:



Binom - 1 to 100 visitors graph:



FunnelFlux - 1 to 100 visitors summary:



FunnelFlux - 1 to 100 visitors graph:



Since 1 to 100 visitors didn't increase the response time, the next test was 1 to 250 visitors....

Again FunnelFlux didn't have any issue with that...





All tests were done on VMs with the same specs.

Also it's interesting to note that Binom's fastest response time (65ms) was FunnelFlux's slowest response time.

But then, as I said above, what is best for one, may not be best for someone else. I fully respect your position and choice of Binom over FunnelFlux, as it seems to fit YOUR needs better.

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Prosper202 has had the lp pixel for as long as I can remember. But it still had a footprint due to the P202pro specific url variables needed for tracking.

In Prosper202 1.9.51 we added the ability to either move the url variables into the source of the landing page or rename them to whatever you want. This means you now have a zero url footprint.

Additionally, we are now the only tracker to have faster than zero redirect PurLinks from lp to offer. This makes it hard to beat in terms of redirect speeds, because there are none.

Additionally we optimize multiple things automatically on your lp in a way that people end up on the offer landing page faster than if you had no tracker.

Pricing is hard to beat too till the end of July. $202 a year for unlimited domains, regularly $99 a month.

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Wow, I really didn´t want to start a tracker war here
I can understand why you jump in the thread when I used FunnelFlux as an example because as far as I remember you are the originator of FF but this was only because Zenno was active in the thread as well.
I am not involved in Binom at all, I am neither a developer nor founder nor anything else related to the company.
I am just a user who uses the product daily and I am happy when I can help other users as well with my recommendations.
In now way it was meant to devalue FunnelFlux at all.
To make the list complete and not only compare to FunnelFlux, in 2008 I started using Prosper202, then I used CPV Lab for 6 years or so, then I used Voluum for short time before I wanted to switch to another tracker.
When searching for an alternative to Voluum I tested FunnelFlux, PixelK, Adsbridge, Prosper202 again and also tested Binom.
And from all these trackers I worked with and tested Binom is simply the best for me.

Of course best is relative and when I talk about the best tracker then of course I mean the best tracker for me.
I can´t talk or judge for others so that should be self-explaining without further explanation.

When working with my students I realized that trackers are a crucial topic for them so that I then saw the real importance of it.
Especially at the moment with new challenges coming up it´s important to have a tracking solution that fits all these requirements.
And in all the threads or posts here about trackers where I recommended Binom I always could show the users a real solution to their questions or problems.
I did not tell about other unrelated stuff nor did I tell them about things Binom is not capatable of.
Sure all trackers have more to show.
But as I said, for what was asked for I could show ways how to do it.

Your opinion, I am also interested in speed and flexibility but I guess flexibilty is also different for everyone.
And for speed, when I decided for an alternative to Voluum I ran 1:1 comparison tests (speed, clickloss etc) between Voluum and Binom and made my decision based on the test results.
Of course I can´t compare to other trackers that I didn´t test but I also don´t need to.
You tell me that "Best" is relative but with "anyone ... would rather choose" you speak for other people yourself.

I tested it and prefer the classic campaign setup in the tracker compared to the visual editor.
Also I don´t need that complex funnels so the flexibility of the visual editor is not that important for me.
As you said yourself
Same goes for the need of a visual editor or anything else a tracker has to offer.
For other things I also like visual editors, for example I better like to work with Zennoposters visual editor compared to Ubots editor.
Different folks have different strokes, in the end it´s only important that everyone has a tracker he can work with.

As I said above, I did not tell about all features that Binom has because this is not what was asked for in the posts where I replied.
In my opinion these questions don´t help at all because in no thread was a tracker feature competition but there were specific things asked for and I replied with proper solutions to it.
And when I read a thread or post where a user has a problem or asks for something and Binom can help out then I tell about it.

Binom also has lots of features for E-Commerce for example that probably can answer some of the questions above.
But I don´t run E-Commerce so I can´t really comment on it.
Upsells and stuff are possible, this I can tell because I use it for Casino CPA offers with CPL option.
But again, this is not relevant to my posts here.

About the speed tests you posted, I didn´t compare Binom and FF because for me only important was to find an alternative to Voluum so I only cross-tested my new tracker and Voluum before I switched.
And the result was clear for me.

I never said it´s the best tracker for everyone and I won´t do it in future.
Everyone should know that when someone tells about "the best" he can only mean "the best for him personally".

I am out of this discussion now, as I said before I can understand your position and that you take side with FF but the example in this thread was in no way meant to devalue FF but because Zenno also replied I just used that example.

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Hey Twinaxe, thanks for replying and detailing things, I pretty much agree with you on all points.

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And don´t get me wrong, I am 100% confident that FunnelFlux is a great tracker as well, otherwise I wouldn´t have tested it myself.
But as I don´t use it I can´t comment on it or compare to it.
Nontheless I really enjoy it that there are all the different trackers out there nowadays.
When I started AM in 2005 I did not know about any trackers at all so it´s fantastic that users can choose between all these platforms so that there is a good match for everyone.
And I also absolutely appreciate the visual editor from FF because this is really something different to all the traditional tracker set ups.
In the end let´s all just enjoy the variety of different trackers so that users who don´t become comfortable with one platform most probably will find another one that better fits their needs.

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