Adult mastery to $1000/Day before Affiliate Summit NYC (14)
Hello STMers'
There has recently been a lack of QUALITY journeys and I'm by no means the type to start any but I'm interested to try something new and it'll help me stay motivated knowing that at least one of you are learning something.
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I've recently discovered the world of Paid Traffic and media buying and I AM HOOKED. One of my friends recommended me to join this forum. Everyone and their nans would advise NOT getting into adult traffic as your first verticle well, I was always interested in the adult category and just how much traffic is available if you play your cards right. Oh yeah, and also I love seeing the reaction when I tell close associates and friends that I'm in the adult business
I've been in the "internet marketing" realm since 2013. I made my bags via incentive traffic back in the day. Long story short, I got comfortable and the sites and profits all dried out. I've been in and out of many projects and websites for the past two years and through many failures and small success and if I learned one thing, it's all about persistence and staying hungry.
I recently got out of a long relationship and my lease ended, so I decided to move back in with family to save some money and get the ball rolling on what truly EXCITES me.
Experience with adult dating thus far. For about two months I was mainly focused on learning Traffic junky, exoclick, &
I was also spending my days reading various tutorials on STM and most likely read hundreds of posts in the adult section. ( matuloo, vortex & many others <3 all the detailed replies)
And then this HAPPENED:
There came a point where I GAVE UP and just thought I was destined to fail. I took a solid 2-3 days off and turned off all traffic. My AM for my network contacted me and said that the advertiser liked what they were seeing and upped the payout +0.45.
I didn't care for it, as I have made the decision that this wasn't for me.. Two days later, again, my AM contacted me and said, they want more of my traffic and they upped it another +0.40. Mind you, this is an SOI.
I saw a huge increase in the payouts and I decided to give it another go around. I was interested to try out new traffic sources and I decided to switch over to Mobile pop-unders. I changed my LP and angle and ran a $100 test budget on RON exoclick. It was negative but that was expected. I made another campaign called the profit campaign and all the zones that were converting I stuck them in there. I scaled it to another traffic source and did the same thing there.
Optimized Process I followed which can be found https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...(Adult)-on-PPV
1. Run RON campaign to get good performing sources and targets.
2. Black list all underperforming sources and targets (also keywords, if relevant) .
3. Launch a campaign based on your top performing sources and targets.
4. Scale.
After a few days, I was hitting $75-200 profit from those two campaigns and it seems like now they are coming to an end.
The Game Plan:
I was going to go into another more consistent vertical but, that would mean I need to lose money AGAIN. I ran a sweeps campaign earlier this morning, lost $40, and just decided to stick what I know best. Mobile Pops just don't have enough volume and I'm going to be focused on banner traffic as it seems like there is boatloads more traffic there.
I've had issues in the past with getting successful campaigns via banner traffic but I'm going to give this another try and hopefully, you guys can keep me motivated.
TESTING TESTING 1.....2......3
I'm going to be testing various angles, LP's, offers, and hopefully one of these days I'll come across a winner. My first goal is to get $xxx and scale that out to the magical four figures per day.
Since I somewhat have an idea of what works in adult dating I will stay in this vertical FOR NOW. I am open to the idea of trying out male enhancement but only after I get the ball rolling.
On a Final Note:
I'm not much of a networker but, only now I'm realizing the importance of going to all these events. We are a different breed and I love connecting with like-minded individuals. I've mostly kept to myself when it came to online marketing but this is now going to change. I've never been to any affilate events so affilate summit will be my first.
Lets do this mothafuckas & remember to be the dumbest guy in the room... Because you have the highest potential to learn.
UPDATE TIME!
I've decided to rip some landers + banners so I can get a better idea of what works before I start getting my creative juices flowing and designing LP's.
I ripped 6-7 Landers via adplexity along with 15 banners and collected all the data:
As you can see there the top lander has out performed the other 6. I believe, I will still need to test lp1 & lp6 before coming to any conclusions.
traffic junky banner stats:
Global stats:
As you can see based on those stats, I must be around the region of -70% roi.. Which is fine, just part of the game.
Next, Will be also cutting out banners and picking out the winners there.
Big point I learned:
Traffic Junky doesn't offer wifi carrier targeting and it seriously drills down our profit. I think, what makes sense is to use Traffic junky as a testing ground for new offers/LP's/angles/banners and then take it to exoclick where you can target wifi. Because.. 3g/4g mobile traffic is seriously hurting our profits.
Thread is getting lots of views but no replies I encourage you guys to stop by ask questions so all of us can learn. Don't be shy and if your not the chatty type feel free to say a "knock knock" joke I'll make sure to reply 
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Hey hey, weekend days are usually low on replies
You're right with the banners, thats where the volume is in adult. So if you want to reach solid numbers, that's where you need to put your focus on.
Since you already had some profitable campaigns, I assume you have a solid offer, is that the case?
The next step is to find some good banners that will work good with the LPs. And then it's about optimizing the placements ... stay away from ron on TJ for now.
Will be watching your thread so ask away if you have some questions.
Okay so small update guys..
I'm not sure why, but, I cannot get TJ profitable ever. I just don't understand how some people are running profitable campaigns on there due to a lack of optimization features.
Anyways, I picked out the best LP and best banner. I made a second campaign, set bids on the lower side so I can get my groove on.
Here were the stats in trafficjunky panel, I was only sticking to Pornhub mobile header:
I got two pay bumps for that offer, and I know I have a winning offer that converts and I have a premium rate.
Here are the stats in the tracker
About -50% ROI
It seems like history is repeating itself and yet again I cannot get any profitable campaigns on TJ. I'm just trying to understand why. They do have limited targeting options like targeting by browser and locations? Does it really just come down to that?
What do you guys recommend to optimize and see if it works on TJ, is it even worth it on this platform?
To be honest with you, 4% is a horrible conversion rate, this is not a winning offer. Second of all, even though the network gave you 2 bumps, they gave you 2 bumps as an incentive to push traffic for them.
Keep in mind, advertisers look out for themselves at the end of the day, they just care about revenue, as do affiliate networks. You need to look out for yourself as much as everyone pretends to be friends. So let's day you push them 1K revenue a day right, and your paying $1200 in traffic to do that for them. They don't see what your paying, and will obviously want more of your revenue. Their revenue is not your profit. Sometimes by upping the volume even though they push you to do so, will directly cut into your margin. Your profit is what matters at the end of the day, not Mr advertisers revenue.
With all that aside, some people can crack Germany on Traffic Junky, and hats off to them. But you just picked the most saturated place I can think of in casual dating to run one of the most saturated GEOS. I'm sure many adult affiliates can agree with me. Running Germany on Traffic Junky in the bidding system post 2013, without lowered CPM rates, without a very generous bump (not a .10 one) , without a stable proven offer(Or a few to rotate in case your main one goes down), using the same genric ripped creatives you and hundred of other affiliates just ripped off adplexity, and without the correct funnel is like opening a new Chinese restaurant in a demographic that already has 5 established Chinese restaurant's In this neighbourhood for years.
Who are you? Mr Chong has been there for years, he's worked out the cheapest deals with his suppliers, and people know him because of the amount of time he's been there, he's going to have so many edges on you that your not even going to see. Sure, you can cook Chinese food, but food aside, there are many things that go into making a successful restaurant besides the food itself.
In fact he most likely wont even be in the bidding chain, yet he'll be pushing volume.
Germany works. Chinese food sells.
But what are you doing that's any different from regular Tom Dick and Harry who are going to go directly to Traffic Junky's bidding system in Germany?
Unless you culturally understand Germany and have very strong angles no one has ever even thought of or had the gall to run, then you, along with all the other 30 bidders in Traffic Junky's bidding chain in DE are making 3 people very rich, and your not going to be one of them.
Traffic Junky, The affiliate Network, and Mr advertiser.
I'm not saying Don't sell Chinese food. Sell Chinese food, but step into a demographic that perhaps isn't aware of what good Chinese food is, and do it where nobody else, or significantly less people have opened a Chinese restaurant.
$1000 days in adult are still possible, I've done it many others have as well.
They're not going to out what their doing though, however we found a way, and so can you.
Originally Posted by symba3
Thank you for this non sugar coated explanation
I will need to rethink my strategy and approach.
symba3 is right, 4% CVR is not good enough in most cases ... MOST cases ... depends on a few other factors.
It all comes down to the other parts of your funnel and how much you are paying for traffic. I've had MANY campaigns that were profitable, even with lower CVR, but the traffic price had to be low too.
In a premium GEO, with LOTs of competition, it's not gonna cut it.
BUT, this doesn't have to mean that the offer is BAD. Maybe it's your banners and LPs that do not go well with it. You have to figure out where the problem lies, you need to test dozens of banners to see if you can improve ... you need to test many LPs too, the LP ctr you are getting now is on the lower side too. And it's still possible that the offer is not good enough.
One word about DE, I have a similar experience as symba3 mentioned ... I can't make it work for more than a few days, whatever I try, the campaigns always die early on me. I think it has to do with the mentality of the german people that I'm not able to relate to ... it's weird cause I speak decent German too and I had dozens of angles translated by native speakers ... not sure what it is that makes the GEO so hard to crack for me ... especially when I know for a fact that there are people who are making VERY good money in that market...
Hmm nice insights, yeah I think it just comes down to it being a competitive GEO. All the newbies jack up the ad prices to test their negative 80% ROI.
Also, there's hundreds of prying eyes on adplexity ready to rip landers and banners. In some cases I feel like there's a good amount of automated apps testing banners.
Okay so, Here is my next strategy I’m going to try.
I was trying to run pops plus dating and I have about a good $500 of data from Ron zones.
I have a good number of whitelisted zones. I know they are good because they have very low ctr’s in comparison to what other garbage zones were getting.
I’m going to get the next round of banners and landers ready and test on those zones.
I know they say you need high budgets for USA but I think Ive blew some money and acquired a little bit of data on some zones that might have good traffic. So.... more than likely those zones should be clean and profitable.
I will also manual spy those zones, and copy down the data/trends of what I see so I can come to a conclusion on whats working in the specific zones and as a whole.
I will keep you guys updated, I’m deep in the rabbithole and you guys keep me motivated.
Originally Posted by matuloo
This is a good idea, check what's running on the large spots, if it's there for a while then it's definitely NOT "All the newbies jack up the ad prices to test their negative 80% ROI." Newbies make all kinds of stupid things, but they don't have the buying power to occupy all the big spots, they operate with low budgets in most cases.
Looking forward to it
This stuff can change a lot.
Sometimes things are so random, even when there it's quite a lot of data on something, it can change from day to day.
But I don't want to discourage you, you can always test and see if the theory works out.
Okay, just an update.
I've been manually spying on this whitelist, and I'm coming across some interesting finds.
I noticed that guy is using a double landing-page redirect.
user flow
Click on banner --->Domain #1 (3 step landing page) ---> Domain #2 (8 step rules landing page)
I'm guessing it improves CTR, and warms up the user even more than a single lander would or perhaps there's some sort of cloaking going on, who knows. But I've noticed some big players are utilizing some interesting tactics via redirects and what not. It seems like it takes more than just good banners for success.
I'm thinking the big guys have an automated system in place and are utilizing api's and what not.
Originally Posted by vantagezone
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