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11-17-2011 03:36 PM #1 adtacticsmg (Member)
Too MUCH Volume

Hey there guys,

I have a HUGE problem. I am buying a LOT of pops and my server is crashing the whole time.

Been with liquidweb server:

8GB RAMN
QuadCore
1GIG bandwith
( Regarding my techs and the support, Apache and Mysql is optimized )

Switched to Rackspace Cloud now and the problem remains.

Using nearly the best hardware what they have to offer. Tracking tool is CPVLab.


I do have 30mb+/sec. Upload!!! My techs say this is a TON and thats what causing the server to melt down every time.

Do you guys know of a setup that can handle this high amount of traffic?

Would really help a lot.


- Hendrik

11-17-2011 03:55 PM #2 clicktrack (Member)

Dedicated servers with load balancing. Have you optimized your pop-ups to be as small as possible? I have had some experience in setting up infrastructures to handle large amounts of data so feel free to pm me.

If you plan this volume to continue and grow than I would recommend working directly with Rackspace and they should be able to have their network engineers create an architecture that will handle your needs.

11-17-2011 04:15 PM #3 polarbacon (Moderator)

hell no on the rackspace......horrible horrible downtime issues...hell thats why mundo went down

beyond hosting FTW....tyler is here in this forum.....they have the best servers built for high speed tracking....

11-17-2011 04:17 PM #4 bbrock32 (Administrator)

Most probably it's not the hardware but the software.

I have pushed 2 mill pops / day with no problems with a similar server to yours and during the tests it showed it can handle up to 37 mill pops / day.

I would suggest switching apache with nginx and tuning msyql.

Also have a look at this thread : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ll=1#post33953

Maybe CPVLab is your bottleneck?

11-17-2011 04:19 PM #5 BeyondHosting-Tyler (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by adtacticsmg View Post
Hey there guys,

I have a HUGE problem. I am buying a LOT of pops and my server is crashing the whole time.

Been with liquidweb server:

8GB RAMN
QuadCore
1GIG bandwith
( Regarding my techs and the support, Apache and Mysql is optimized )

Switched to Rackspace Cloud now and the problem remains.

Using nearly the best hardware what they have to offer. Tracking tool is CPVLab.


I do have 30mb+/sec. Upload!!! My techs say this is a TON and thats what causing the server to melt down every time.

Do you guys know of a setup that can handle this high amount of traffic?

Would really help a lot.


- Hendrik

Hey Hendrik, what sort of click volume and which software are you using? CPvlab or 202/custom?

11-17-2011 06:21 PM #6 adtacticsmg (Member)

Hey bacon, gaaaaaaaaaaah! Just switched everything to them... Probably gonna have to switch if they are that bad!

Bbrock, thanks for your answer, we are pushing 5 million pops / day. ( with Audio ). Were you able to test CPVLab now with more volume? We actually think its CPVLab too...

Yo Tyler, we are using CPVLab. What do you mean with click volume?

11-17-2011 06:46 PM #7 BeyondHosting-Tyler (Member)

You got the info I was looking for. Is your existing server failing to redirect after it ramps up or what symptoms are you having?

Keep in mind refreshing the admin interface constantly is going to create huge load on your server.

11-17-2011 08:27 PM #8 harrypotter (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by bbrock32 View Post
Most probably it's not the hardware but the software.

I have pushed 2 mill pops / day with no problems with a similar server to yours and during the tests it showed it can handle up to 37 mill pops / day.

I would suggest switching apache with nginx and tuning msyql.

Also have a look at this thread : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ll=1#post33953

Maybe CPVLab is your bottleneck?
was just going to go ahead with cpvlab... seems like they are having some problems in the recent version

@bbrock32, you only use prosper? even for ppv campaigns?

11-17-2011 09:46 PM #9 nusolutionz (Veteran Member)

maybe you should use seperate servers for your tracking and lps...but i would recommend to get in touch with tyler with more details about your needs etc.....i'm pretty sure he can setup a hosting environment that will fit your needs...i hope you can solve that asap.. as i know it's frustrating to loose money/impressions if the volume kicks in that hard..just because your server setup is lacking perfomance

11-17-2011 10:01 PM #10 allthegold (Member)

5,000,000 pops a day at a minimum PPV rate of $0.015 comes out to $75,000/day in ad spend.

Holy shit you're my new inspiration.

11-17-2011 10:10 PM #11 corp (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by allthegold View Post
5,000,000 pops a day at a minimum PPV rate of $0.015 comes out to $75,000/day in ad spend.

Holy shit you're my new inspiration.
You can buy pop-under traffic from ad networks and it's a lot cheaper, usually $1-5 CPM

11-18-2011 12:48 AM #12 topgun (Member)

I was about to ask the same question "allthegold" asked...

at $5 cpm, a volume of 5 millions means $25000;
at $1 cpm, that means spending $5000...per day!

so i guess bbrock32 has been laughing all the way to the bank everyday...wow!

Quote Originally Posted by corp View Post
You can buy pop-under traffic from ad networks and it's a lot cheaper, usually $1-5 CPM

11-18-2011 01:34 AM #13 hd2010 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by bbrock32 View Post
Most probably it's not the hardware but the software.

I have pushed 2 mill pops / day with no problems with a similar server to yours and during the tests it showed it can handle up to 37 mill pops / day.

I would suggest switching apache with nginx and tuning msyql.

Also have a look at this thread : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ll=1#post33953

Maybe CPVLab is your bottleneck?
@bbrock : do you install http reverse proxy to such as varnish cache mitigate the load ?

11-18-2011 04:05 AM #14 jlang (Member)

litespeed FTW

11-18-2011 04:17 AM #15 adtacticsmg (Member)

We are working on an in-house tracking platform but in the meantime we'd like to continue pushing volume without having our servers crash every few days.
Tyler can you PM me your number? It'd be great if we could talk tomorrow.

11-18-2011 03:22 PM #16 bbrock32 (Administrator)

Quote Originally Posted by hd2010 View Post
@bbrock : do you install http reverse proxy to such as varnish cache mitigate the load ?
No, because generally just tweaking Nginx / MySQL and using a CDN has solved the problem and pages were loading under 300ms.

11-18-2011 04:54 PM #17 Smaxor (Veteran Member)

Feel free to hit me up we've dealt with this issue a lot in the past. Most of it can be remedied by moving all static content off of the server and to a CDN and then removing any database heavy tracking like tracking 202.

11-18-2011 04:57 PM #18 adtacticsmg (Member)

Can you shoot me a PM with your contact info? Any help would be great appreciated!

11-19-2011 01:48 AM #19 polarbacon (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by adtacticsmg View Post
Can you shoot me a PM with your contact info? Any help would be great appreciated!
I actually make videos so you guys can watch them....

How-To-Set-Up-a-and-Run-a-CDN....
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread......**UPDATED**

guys the forum is packed with a about everything you want to know don't be afraid to use the search feature....

11-19-2011 02:30 AM #20 profitable ()

Quote Originally Posted by Smaxor View Post
Feel free to hit me up we've dealt with this issue a lot in the past. Most of it can be remedied by moving all static content off of the server and to a CDN and then removing any database heavy tracking like tracking 202.
^^ this is the answer. move all your content to a CDN, images, scripts, css, audio, everything. remove all tracking code and track using subids at the affiliate network or track via the ppv interface if they allow you to place a pixel.

everyone goes through the same problem when you hit that volume, and it's always the same solution.

11-19-2011 09:48 AM #21 palmtree (Member)

shoot me over your landing page and your keywords and I'll have a look at this issue

11-21-2011 04:19 PM #22 getzlaf15 (Member)

Personally I'd find out what the bottleneck is, mysql or web. You should be able to handle the hits yourself and track things.

It might mean a few webservers, I know when we were running openx, I scaled to a 2nd machine and that helped things out alot.

11-22-2011 08:08 PM #23 adtacticsmg (Member)

We appreciate everyone's help with this. This definitely is helping us. Thanks to everyone that posted.

11-23-2011 01:35 AM #24 getzlaf15 (Member)

Btw, i'd love to have your problem, where I buy too much traffic that it melts my server.

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