I think it's time to finally acknowledge we are avoiding a big topic on adplexity (14)
I think it's time to finally acknowledge we are avoiding a big topic on adplexity
So I've been on here for about 3-4 months but by no means a newbie. More of a returner. I was around during the wild west low cost PPC days, tons of cloaking shady shity on google, oh and cookie stuffing if you guys remember that fun with ebay partner netnetwork.
So believe me when I say I will always use a black/grey hat solution if it makes sense and isn't like a straight scam. Adplexity and spy tools are amazing and powerful but I've noticed, and I think it's become adplexity is so tied to this community and clearly grew with it and is admired here that everytime a "how do I not get seen by adplexity question by anyone in any thread" it's always like discouraged, "It would be hard to whitelist, cloaking but they'll see it anyways, might as well just keep pumping landers". And its the only time on STM no one tries to give a real tutorial or answer, just a it's not worth it.
But then you get people as high as even vortex which in passing will say something like "well those guys aren't the ones you'll find on adplexity" or comments regarding to knowing people who have it blocked. I dont want adplexity blocked, or the solution to the masses cuz it's a powerful tool, but it does feel like it's the one thing in this private forum where we are open with our methods to a large degree that this adplexity solution always gets dodged around.
It can't be impossible because top affiliates let it slip they have friends doing it, or it's hard to do. But when you ask it gets vague. We don't want to hurt adplexity, it's part of STM family as far as I'm concerned, but we need to help our own members, especially newbies in pops, it feels impossible to motivate yourself to make 8 landers variants and told by tom morning adpleixty will be showing everyone it. MY cookie stuffing days, shady stuff, programming in general tells me there is a way, that's why you see those screenshots of "landing pages" that are just articles and not the real page. How do we set that up? I love this forum and everything is so straightforward and I swear I keep seeing this topic danced around. Can we get a straight answer?
We are the ones benefiting from it, but we have no way to protect ourselves from it either.
Just to make clear I don't want this to sound like any disrespect to the adplexity team. They are amazing and I use them constantly. I don't want some secret revealed that fucks them over I am more thinking we are a more tight knit community and we talk about things you normally won't and it just feels like this is one topic we don't really dive into, even if it's technical or not that's not usually an excuse we use in this forum, the info is shared and those that can capitalize do. So if it's because it will hurt adplexity or leak I understand but make someone can just hint in the right direction (I am a programmer, so the hint can be pretty geared there if needed). It's hard putting in so much work learning photoshop and abTesting, marekting, areas I don't naturally jive with but feeling like I'm not covering my technical bases
And I realize there's probably easy catch all cloaking but I have a very big real about fucking with the CPA companies, and I worry that kind of cloak will make them think I'm hiding stuff. My more blackhat side was when we were dealing with monoliths like ebay 
Hey man.
You want 2 things at the same time which are going quite opposite each other:
1. Want a solution to be shared here on open forum (private, but still open to everyone who pays the membership fee)
2. On the other side you don't want a mass solution 
From my experience the truth is that Adplexity is quite good showing the real stuff, even some small % is probably hidden from our eyes.
The landers you can see there are real ones and if other people run them it means they work.
Most of the time the problem lies in the offer, you must really do a proper testing of offers to find a good one.
Only one thing they should do better is to filter the non affiliate stuff such as TechnologyCraze cloaked site from Monetizer, sometimes it's full there and its just disturbing from seeing the other stuff.
Nevertheless, nothing stops you from creating your own landers based on the ones you see. Even if you copy existing stuff, I would encourage to add your own twist to it as well and use the ripped stuff as a benchmark.
Regarding cloaking solutions you should checkout Magic Checker or Aditude, both of them claim they can cloak Adplexity.
There are my personal opinions.
Thanks.
Erik
Most people refer to it not being worth it in the sense that it's not the angle that matters for pops nowadays, so whether you show up on AdPlexity or not, everyone knows what you are using.
Ah ok so you're siding hiding isn't worth it? Cuz to erigyepes point I have been working really hard starting out to make sure i don't stragith copy landers. But it feels wasteful when my new twist on the lander will show up for everyone to see tomorrow. But i'm thinking I'm seeing what youre saying, if you're seeing those landers so much, you aren't going to pick out just mine with so many variants. At that point we know the lander works and it's on to offer.
Also maybe this clear about another apprehension I have. it seems so many things on adplexity are just the same offer, like the spinning wheel. Variants yet but so many. Could there really be that little variantion in sucessful offers or do they really work? Like I keep wondering if the reason there are 10000 spinners even nice one is every newbie is trying them. I do add my own twist though even in animation department. But I just wanna know chasing what's popular isn't a fools errand.
Adplexity is so powerful and I've found new ways to search that give me better answers. Maybe a tutorial and contribution from me is due soon
Yeah - for pops specifically people don't innovate in the design part of it. It's backend and offers really. The angle is the main creative variable on pops, and I can't even count how many angles people have tested for existing offers, haha.
Manu, if the angle doesn't really matter anymore where should I be concentrating my efforts on. The tutorials cover everything so I've been doing the tons of landers, then tons of angles per lander, etc, if you could enlighten where I should put my efforts that would be awesome because at the pace I'm going with all my work per campaign it's still anumbers game so more numbers less effort per campaign to start to find a green one would be great.
Ha looks like we replied near instantly. On bakend do you mean having good placements cut, whitelists, etc as you learn over time. Or having a solid site like the actual backend of the code being quick and clean beats others (had to ask a former programmer though I figure it's more the placements etc you mean)
Do these 100s and 100s of the same lander style make anyone money? Obviously not copy and run but is anyone still making it when it becomes that prevelant on adplexity? I just feel like I never find anything new.
Originally Posted by corpsquid
Well, first you want everyone to let you know how to hide creatives from Adplexity, because those, as you believe, are unique, and you invested lots of effort and time in it, and now you are saying you research on Adplexity by yourself, and you are not satisfied with the landers they have there cause it's all the time the same ones
This is pretty complex heheNot thinking to offend you, but take it easy! In affiliate marketing, your creatives are meant to be seen by people, so even if Adplexity doesn't see them, it doesn't mean that another affiliate won't find your landers. And Adplexity is not the only Spy tool out there, so you'd need to question all of them
Things like this are not really shared, as here we never know if someone is not taking all the information out of the forum. Also, it's related to business ethics, affiliate marketing is quite a friendly industry, so things that could harm one of the parties are being avoided. Plus, I really think that there is no big secret in it, and majority of people don't know how to hide their creatives, as they focus on different things.
Let's look at it from a completely different perspective - is it all about landers? Sure it's important, but there are so many different aspects that you need to pay attention to, and improve, in your way to success. In the end your goal is not to make the landers unique, but to make the process of their creation-tests-optimization more automatic, aiming to increase your profit.
Originally Posted by corpsquid
Corpsquid, I don't think we are actually hiding anything about adplexity or refusing to give a clear stand ... I personally gave up on trying to hide my stuff from spytools, as it always get's discovered later on anyways ... to hide from spytools, you need to identify their crawlers and block them, that's all it is about - so their IPs, user agents ... whatever can help you identify it's not real traffic. It's similar to cloaking, that also only works as good as the DB of reviewers is Obviously, spytools are refreshing their IPs all the time, so it's a never ending battle that I refuse to fight in, I rather focus on testing more new stuff.
As for the analogy with lower importance of angles - it's like this, good offer will convert even with a general angle, while a poor offer wont' bring you profits, no matter what the angle is. So instead of focusing on angles too much, focus on mass testing of offers... once you have an offer that's killing it, squeeze more from it by using better angles.
Don't mean to be bumping a thread from over a month ago - I was on a trip to China and missed this until now. Would like to give my 2 cents since my name was mentioned.
There ARE top guys that are keeping their landers out of Adplexity. And yes that is giving them an edge. But keep in mind that you don't need to take down the top guys in order to be making money - you just need to be able to monetize traffic better than SOME of your competition to get a slice of the pie.
There ARE ways to hide landers from Adplexity, and if you look harder you'll find a way (both here on the forum and also in google). I'm not at liberty to reveal exact methods, out of respect for Adplexity - STM is friends with everybody in the industry and I can't do anything to knowingly impact on any vendor's business in a negative way - family-owned business or not - unless I know it's a business that doesn't provide actual value.
Think of it this way: If Adplexity hasn't been providing value to affiliates, its customer base wouldn't have grown to this point. Adplexity has no doubt become one of the most-discussed, highest-profile, most-used spy tools in its class. It's not exactly cheap - if people aren't getting results from the banners, landers and intel, they wouldn't keep subscribing month after month. How many people can you scam, and for how long? That would be an unsustainable business model.
I can attest to the fact that even before I started "hiding" landers from Adplexity, I was running profitable campaigns just by ripping landers as they were. Often, I didn't even bother to change anything on them (except to fix messed up coding and insert my own click url).
And then we see testimonials like this:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post323224
Last piece of advice: Spend time on learning the nuances of the tool. There's a lot of data in Adplexity, and most affiliates are not maximizing its potential. So if you know the tool better than other people, that would give you the edge you need. Some stuff to help you get started:
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...e-on-Adplexity
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...de-(AdPlexity)
https://mobile.adplexity.com/tutorial
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...of-the-traffic
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...AdPlexity-Tips
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...-IDs-By-Volume
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...r-on-adplexity
https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...s-on-Adplexity
Thanks for asking your question - it's a question that's worth asking and answering. You can't be the only one to have these doubts. Your candidness is certainly appreciated!
Amy
AdPlexity is very much a resourceful tool to have.
If you look hard enough you'll find plenty of good landers... even more so, I can find good campaigns fairly often if I take the time to look. It's easy to find mid $xx/day to low $xxx/day campaigns. For those of you reading, have you really taken the time to learn how to use the tools at your disposal. Spy tools, trackers, etc.
Think of AdPlexity as not just a landing page resource. Consider all of the data that it collects, what geo's show up most often? what carriers? what are the top affiliate networks that show up when searching for geo X and carrier Y? whats working well in the US that you can rip and take over to a tier 2/3 geo?
What are some of the top landers you find on AdPlexity for geo X and why aren't you looking at the stats showing where they are getting most of their traffic from.. maybe its PopAds and you've been running on Zeropark. That could be the difference in -100% and +100% ROI.
My thoughts are directed at the general populations reading and not just the OP
Best of Luck,
Andrew
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