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My Afflow Arbitrage campaign - Mr Payne way (8)

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Recently Mr Payne shared his method of quickly reaching profit using Afflow + Zeropark. I was inspired and decided to give it a go to kick start my affiliate career. (So please be easy on me, thanks ^^ )

I set up the global aggressive link as instructed by Mr Payne's video, except from leaving the 'Campaign Name' blank and 'Network' to 'Other'. I then appended the &utm_campaign={campaign.id}-ZP-{country}-{carrier}&1={var1}&2={var6}&cid={clickid} to the end of the Afflow link when adding Voluum's offer as per Vortex's tutorial. (This way Voluum did not give a warning relating to {cid} token when creating campaign).

I then setup Zeropark campaign just as instructed by Mr Payne, once the campaign was approved, the traffic started to flow in, and here are the result: (by the way, it took around half an hour to hit the $5 budget, not in a matter of minutes in the tutorial, I understanding the bid might be low)
When I am writing this thread, I have spent $20 over a period of 5 hours, there was 180000 visit and 11 conversions (as I understand maybe more conversion might show up later on, but maybe not).



The approximate screenshot capture times were denoted in the picture, the bid is 0.0001, my visibility is either 2 or 3 dots.
I'm gonna spend the next $5 but before doing so, I have a look at the data and realize that India and Indonesia received a significantly higher amount of traffic compared to the rest (contribute 6 out of 11 conversions), the cost is $4.5 and $4 respectively. The ROI is way worse than -75% so I think I'm gonna pause these two GEOs as suggested by Mr Payne. It does not look bright there. Any suggestions?
Pakistan's traffic is the next in line without any conversion so I might pause this GEO as well.



Sorting the data by ROI I see some GREEN which gives me a huge mental boost ^^ although there isn't much traffic and only 1 conversion there.



Questions:
1. Should I carry on with the campaign and spent $100 or should I stop? I don't mind losing money and don't aim for profit here. But is there potential that I have good data for next campaigns? I understand that Mr Payne's video showed his campaign in Nov 2016, thing might have changed now, according to Erikgyepes
2. In case I should carry on, should I cut India, Indonesia and Pakistan?
3. Is there any suggestion to increase the number of conversion for the $100 budget I'm gonna spend?

diplomat showed his recent campaign with overall ROI of -51% after $20 spent ($51 conversions). He allowed only Carrier traffic and increase the bid to $0.0002. I'm gonna do a similar campaign in parallel to this one and update the status soon. Any suggestion?

Thank you for reading my long-looonnng post. Any suggestion/advice is greatly appreciated.

Update: I paused India and Indonesia, increased the bid for GREEN countries to 0.0002 and I resumed the campaign for another $10, the number of conversions does not improve (270000 visits 14 conversions). So I paused the campaign waiting for your input. Thank you very much.

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Maybe you can cut wifi traffic.It means you will no receive bots.But I don't know this action will impact your performance or not.And sorry for my bad English.

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Hey! How can I not contribute to the thread that has my name in it haha!

A few things I suggest...

1. Continue spending until you reach the $100 mark, monitor the geos along the way and anything that hasn't converted after $2-3 spend, pause it.
2. Definitely go ahead and pause India and Indonesia.. they usually don't perform too well with this method (sometimes they do) and consume alot of budget.
3. You have to keep in mind that you are spending the $100 across alot of geos and alot of different type of traffic, both wifi and carriers. Plus, Afflow is rotating a bunch of offers. So it's important to spend a good bit in order to give each geo an opportunity to work. The goal is not to be profitable right now but just to find a few converting segments. You may spend the $100 and only find 1-5 converting segments, the goal is to hope those segments will allow you to recoup your test budget and make profit on top of that.
4. You can adjust this method accordingly, if you want to follow diplomats approach, that is fine.

What is important to keep in mind for everyone using this method is that...

a) This method does work but its not a gold mine approach.
b) Since releasing this tutorial there are likely dozens if not 100+ people who all jumped to try this method, so that will inflate the traffic costs and require ZP to divide up the traffic accordingly.. so I suggest not to follow the herd.. perhaps test this method on PopAds too, I've gotten great results there before and with all their targeting settings, it's easy to isolate profitable segments.
c) Increasing your bid may be necessary due to the current market price of traffic on ZP, do so at your own discretion.
d) Removing wifi traffic is an option and will eliminate a bot traffic but sometimes you will find solid offers that are working on wifi. Again, do this at your own discretion.

The purpose of the tutorial was to show you a quick way to get started and see some results. You can modify and adjust this method to make it your own based on your experience and efforts.



Cheers!

Andrew

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Thank you, I will give it a try. Although as I can see, there is a good number of conversion come from wifi traffic.

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Hello Mr Payne, Thank you very much for your response and sorry I did not get back to you sooner (family issues).
I did spend another $30 ($60 total) (roughly $5 per hour) but the conversion did not improve at all. Actually it went up linear with the cost ^^. For this $30 spent, I did increase the bid to 0.0002 (good visibility), cut India, Indo and other not-performing-well GEOs but it did not help. This is my stats after a total of $60 spent:

I stopped the campaign as I expect there won't be valuable data for me to dig into. And you might be right, maybe too many people jumping into the same method and eventually it got messed up. I still appreciate you for sharing it with everyone.

Will give it a try another time, with different traffic source. And will get you updated.

Question:
Oh I have a quick question, when I sorted the conversion in 'Mobile Carrier', I can see about 2/3rd of visits falls in 'Other' (with majority of revenue $6 out of $8.4), is 'Other' Wifi traffic? Why I can't see WIFI in my Voluum?


Sorting by 'Connection Type', Broadband tops of the list with majority visits. Broadband is WIFI isn't it? Do you suspect that bot click greatly contributes to the number of visits?


Many many thanks.

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Your current mistake is you are looking at the results from the entire campaign and not from a GEO level.

You need to sort by GEO > MOBILE CARRIER... and look for one of these segments to be -50% or better.

GEO > MOBILE CARRIER > Android/iOS (one or both of the OS need to be working)
GEO > MOBILE CARRIER > TARGETS (see if there are a few targets doing most of the conversions and what their ROI is)

The category Other stands for wifi traffic.

From your screenshot above, check out what GEO is sending the CLARO conversions... that needs to be explored more.



Andrew

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Hi Mr Payne,

Thank you for giving the tips,
I sort by GEO > MOBILE CARRIER and see some great ROI, however, the number of conversion is only 1. Is it worth do a separated campaign for those GEO+CARRIER combinations with GREEN ROI?

When I sort by GEO > MOBILE CARRIER > TARGET, there are some interesting data:

Again, do you think it is worth doing campaign with those specific GEO + CARRIER + TARGET ? It's amazing that there is one conversion for just a few clicks.

By the way, the 3 conversions from CLARO carrier are spreaded across 3 different GEOs.

Thank you very much.

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Ultimately, you need to spend more money to get more data for each GEO.

What I would suggest doing is pausing the high volume countries like India and Indonesia for now. Any country that has spent $2-4 and not seeing any conversions pause it.

You need to spend another $50 or so on the campaign to see if any segments starts to get multiple conversions. Having just 1 conversion isn't enough to make a decision on.

Spend more to test, and the repost the results like you just did above, but sort by conversions, not ROI.



Andrew

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