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Hi everyone!

My name is Gabriel. I'm a newbie in affiliate but I have some experience with other methods to make money online.

I signed up to this forum about two weeks ago. Since then I have been reading a lot, last week I promoted some "win an iphone" offers but with no success. So I decided to try AV Pins and start this thread because I saw how helpful this community is and beginning this journey I need all the help I can get.

These are my tools:

CPA networks: ClickDealer, Adsimillis, ExpertMobi, Avazu, MundoMedia and others..
Tools: Voluum, Adplexity Mobile
Hosting: Amazon S3, Cloudfront
Traffic sources: PopAds, Propeller Ads, PopCash

I ripped 4 landers for 3 GEOs from Adpexity and I'm waiting to get them approved from the advertisers. As soon as they accept the landers, I'll start to promote them on two traffic sources at a time, starting with Propeller Ads and Popcash.

The average payout of the offers are between 2$-3$ and I'll start with 2 offers for GEO.

What I'm going to do is simple; the test budget for every campaign is between 40$ and 60$ for GEO ( avarage payout X number of offers X 10) if I can get at least -75% ROI, I'll try to optimize that campaign otherwise I'm going to try a new GEO and so on.

I'll start with a traffic source at a time and in order to choose the first one I'll use Adplexity stats from the landers that I've ripped.

Cheers,

Gabriel

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Hey!
That's so cool that you have these cool results after not a Lon period.
If you have some green camps, I highly recommend to scale that on other sources like ZeroPark, Adcash, Clickadu, PlugRush etc...
If you have questions just write - we'll help you!
Good luck!

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Good Luck!

I'm almost in the same shoes as you, will follow your campaign for sure.

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Good luck bro!

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I would focus on one aff network with the revenue at the beginning (ClickDealer is very good for AV). Nothing worse than having lots of small revenue, below payment threshold, sitting at several networks as a beginner. Get on weekly payments on one network as fast as possible. Further pick one traffic source and learn the ropes there (Propeller is a good one).

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Thank you guys for all the support!!

Right now I'm promoting only Clickdealer offers because I get on well with my AM. I also tried to use some Avazu offers but my AM has insisted to use the landers available from the advertisers and not mine. I tried to start with Propeller as the first traffic source but my campaigns were rejected for this reason:

Campaign 6.... has been rejected by the policy team because it doesn't follow our advertising guidelines or contains materials prohibited for advertising.
Your creatives should not contain the words like “your sofware is outdated”, “your device is infected”, “viruses found” etc. No misleading ads, providing false info to the user

So right now I'm continuing with PopCash and PopAds, but PopAds has more traffic targeting options that PopCash, therefore for the next test campaigns I'll use only PopAds.

I'll post the results from the first day tomorrow morning!

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When running AV on pop, your landers need to be extremely aggressive, or you won't stand a chance. The scarier and the more convincing the landers are, the better.

As far as offer requirements are concerned: You'll either need to cloak your landers, or only run offers that allow aggressive promotion (your AM would be able to tell you which ones do).

Best of luck and looking forward to seeing results!



Amy

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Propeller is a fantastic network, but they're more strict when it comes to aggressive/misleading tactics. So if you're not cloaking, then yes, popcash and popads would be better for AV offers.



Amy

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Propeller is so annoying. I deposited $1k last year and spent $200 and asked for a refund. A year and half later, no refund and I can't even spend my money there anymore. I tried reaching out to someone named kate several times but they won't even respond back. Not very happy with them.

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That's no good! Perhaps there's a communication problem somewhere.

Could you try PM'ing their rep? They have a thread here:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...fficial-Thread

If that doesn't do it, let me know and I'll see what else I can do.



Amy

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If you want to run antivir you need to look into cloaking and run aggressive. Without, you won't see any green.

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I agree with you Amy. Propeller is a good network, I used it for my first sweepstakes campaigns and even if I didn't had any success I reached my best ROI ( -40% :P ) with them.

Right now I'm using aggressive landings and I'm promoting only offers that doesn't have "prelanders needs approval" or "PLEASE USE THE CREATIVES ADVERTISERS PROVIDED" in the offers description.

Until I have other options to generate traffic I don't want to use a cloaker. Another reason is that an additional 200€/month tool would be excessively expensive for now.

First report - 04/01 to 05/01

So now I have only 3 campaigns for 3 different GEOs and the stats looks good!



GEO 2 and GEO 3 are running on PopCash and I think that my bid was very low ( 0.001 ) because I'm not getting so much traffic.

GEO 1 instead is on PopAds and looks promising! My bid there was 10% higher than the average bids with the same options so my daily budget (20€) ended in less than an hour!

I think it's time to optimize this campaign and see what happens. Here the stats:










ToDo of today:

- Cut GEO 3. I received a lot of spam traffic here and the stats are compromise, I think that's because my bid was too low.
- Wait to finish the budget for GEO 2 campaign (20$ total)
- Setting up a new GEO 4 campaign.
- Optimize GEO 1

I know that the first thing to do is to find a good lander for GEO 1 so now I have two options:

Option 1 - "Follow the rules"
- Cut offer 1 and 3
- Set a lower bid
- Add another 20$ budget to this campaign in order to find the winning lander

Option 2 - "Follow the green line"
- Cut offer 1 and 3
- Set a lower bid
- Cut connections with - 100% ROI
- Cut OS with -100% ROI
- Maybe cut browsers with -100% ROI
- Add another 20$ budget to this campaign in order to find the winning lander

What do you advise me to do now? With a bit of luck it's looks like I'll see green by the second day! Surely this is a record!


Gabriel

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Second day report - 05/01

And it's GREEENN!!!

Finally my GEO 1 campaign had a positive ROI after following the optimization that I've described in the post below. Some stats:

General



Landers GEO 1


Mobile Carrier GEO 1


I didn't found a winner lander but I've noticed that my lander 1 (L1) had a little problem, that's why the clicks are low but I've fixed it. I did this AB split test for landers 2, 3, 4 and I decided for now to cut only lander 4.

Another interesting thing is the "Carrier 1" field that's converting very well, so my next campaign will be without lander 4 (L4) and targeting only traffic from "Carrier 1".

My new campaign for GEO 4 was a big fail (-100% ROI). I decided to stop it.

So now that I have a campaign that seems to work, the big questions are: are my landers too aggressive for this offer? Do I necessarily need a cloaker?

The offer's description only says this: "NO Incentive. ISP capture methods on prelanders are STRICTLY forbidden", so I don't know what to do now. Should I ask this to my AM?

I need some help guys!

ToDo for tomorrow:

- Optimize and scale GEO 1 campaign
- Add another 20$ to GEO 2 campaign
- Cut GEO 4
- Setting up a campaign for a new GEO (number 5)


Gabriel

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What exciting results!!

Geo 3 only spent $5+ - and if you're testing multiple offers and landers that's not an adequate spend to even start looking at results unless the payouts are very very low.

Also, be aware that you'll typically run at a loss while testing landers to find a good one (although sometimes you do see green at the start if you're lucky). But the aim is to find that good lander so that when you're mass-testing offers in the second stage, the chances of finding a profitable offer would be greater.

I agree with the rest of your todos.


Thanks for showing all the stats! Could you please also drill down to mobile carriers?

You mean cut offers 1 and 2 right? Offer 3 made all 7 conversions.

It would be wise to cut IOS for now to conserve test budget. Do keep in mind though that after you test more landers and find a decent one, you will want to test more offers - and at that time you'll want to open up to all OSs again so you could see which offer converts the best for each of android and ios.

It's not necessary to cut the other OSs for now - they're sending hardly any traffic, but by targeting more OSs vs. fewer, you can potentially get cheaper traffic. This is a minor point though so if you've already cut them, don't worry about it.

The same can be applied to browser stats and connection type stats as well. You can cut whatever doesn't appear to be converting, and use the best-converting traffic to test more landers for cheap. But once you mass-test offers using the best lander, you'll probably want to open up your target then. You can do the same to placements as well - cut all but the best ones for now to test landers for cheap. But make sure you still have enough traffic to test stuff! If not, then don't cut so much stuff at this point.

I would not suggest to lower the bid for now. Doing so will get you lower-quality traffic that won't convert as well as what you're getting now, and you need conversions in order to test and cut landers.

You're doing well! Looking forward to the next update!



Amy

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Looks like you made a post while I was responding to your last one!

Results are looking good!

You actually didn't have to start a new campaign for Geo 1 - you could have kept running the same camp with various things cut. If you combine lander stats for Offer 1 across the 2 camps, you may be able to cut more of them.

Regarding the problem you fixed for Lander 1 - next time, just cut that lander from testing, finish the current round of split-testing for the rest of the landers, identify the best lander, THEN throw the fixed Lander 1 back in along with other new landers or lander variations to start a new round of split-testing.

And thanks for providing mobile carrier stats! Quite a nice coincidence since I was just asking for them. I would suggest to just cut down to this carrier in your current camp, wait until you have a winner lander, then test bids to find the best. Also, once you have a winner lander from this round of testing, you can start a new campaign to test more landers, then when you have a winner, mass-test offers. That way you have a profitable camp + a test camp.

Instead of testing a GEO 5, I would recommend to spend you time on scaling carrier 1 instead. It's not wise to put your main focus on testing new stuff while you have something that's ready to scale. NOTE: Before scaling, be sure to check with your AM to make sure lead quality is acceptable!

That would entirely depend on what the offer requirements are - which you're not sure at this point, and won't be unless/until you ask your AM.

And please DO NOT SCALE before you find out.

What you decide to tell your AM is your choice, but I would suggest to at least find out what the actual requirements are. That way, you can at least make an informed decision.

I'm not going to tell you not to lie because that decision is yours to make. Just know what the risks are.

This is a nice lesson to learn - next time just ask for offer requirements at the start.




Amy

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Thanks for your help and advice Amy!

Eventually I talked to my AM about the problem with my aggressive landers and she told me that the offer was paused this morning...so problem solved! For now she can't tell me if the aggressive landers are accepted by the advertiser for that offer, and to be 100% sure I have to wait a couple of days until the offer will be active again.

As you can imagine, I paused GEO 1 camp. However thanks again Amy, now I'm trying to organize my campaigns following your advices and definitely your suggestions will be helpful for the next optimization.

Day 3 report - 06/01

Following Amy's advices, I didn't start testing a new GEO, therefore now I'm looking for new offers from GEO 1 and I want to optimize the GEO 2 campaign ( the one with -71% ROI) because my AM suggested me some good offers from this country that allow aggressive landers.

Since I have had better results with PopAds than PopCash, I decided to organize a new test for GEO 2 in this way:

- Use a new lander (a very popular one from Adplexity), so now I have 5 landers instead of 4.
- Change the old offers with the ones that my AM suggested me.
- Change the traffic source from PopCash to PopAds
- Raise my bid (x2) following the average bid on PopCash.
- Raise the budget for this test following the avarage payout of the offers


I've just finished setting up the GEO 2 campaign, I'm waiting for it to be approved by PopAds and to recieve traffic.

I'll update you tomorrow.

Gabriel

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Good job,man
keep going,and you will achieve the goal.looking forward your updates.

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Good luck and thanks for sharing. I look forward to seeing how your campaign develops

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Hi guys!

It's been a while since my last update but I didn't have any good news to share with you. I spent a lot of money testing landers and offers but without luck.

The only campaign that seems to be the good one has this stats:



Using Adplexity I've seen a lot of people promoting the same offer so I copied the lander and I identified the offer that they are running. I know that this isn't a good thing to do but since I'm pretty close to finish my available money, right now I'm desperate. I can't try different landers because the advertiser doesn't allow it.

Here it's what I've done so far:

• I started with a low bid and a medium bid campaign with the same parameters
• Yesterday I split the Propellerads "Medium bid" campaign in WiFi and 3G. The 3G campaign is targeting 2 carriers with positive ROI. Here are the stats which helped me taking the decision to split the campaign ( IMAGE ) Here are today's stats after the split ( IMAGE )
• The Propellerads "Low bid" campaign has been green since yesterday but as you can see it's always between -15% ROI and +15% ROI
• I've already cut the bad OS, browsers and some placements, on which I've spent 9$ but without getting any conversions.

The payout of this offer is huge (9.50$) compared with the last offers that I've tested: that's why I've spent almost 200$ to reach those stats.

I need some advice here guys. I know that I can make some money with this offer.

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Those stats look good! You're on the right track - just need to continue optimizing.

Unfortunately though, you WILL need to throw a bit more money at the camp to make it work. If money is an issue, then you'll need to make a decision on whether you need to make some money from other projects first so you'll be able to fund your camps. Feeling desperate and trying to make a campaign work is not the mentality you want to be in, as it will make you susceptible to making unwise decisions based on emotions.

There is never any guarantees that a campaign will end up profitable, including this one. However, seeing as the camp is promising, I would definitely suggest to spend your money on optimizing this camp, rather than testing something new.

Your decision to start new camps to target carrier traffic is definitely a good one. I've seen the before and after stats on the two screenshots. Are you trying to point out that the new camps are performing worse than the original camp? If so, you can't make that conclusion after running only $6 of traffic, because the payout is so high that just ONE conversion would push the camp into green.

That was such an important point, that I will make it again: Because your offer payout is relatively high, you'll need to run a lot more traffic to collect enough conversions to help you make optimizing decisions.

There are more things you can do to optimize this camp:

-Continue to cut placements.
-Test more offers and landers. In the very least, test variations of your current lander. Optimize load times if you haven't already done so.
-Daypart.

But all of these optimization tasks will require data to perform, and to collect data you'll need to spend money, and because the payout is high you'll need to spend more money than for low payout offers. You definitely have a promising camp - but it will need more patience (and cash) from you.




Amy

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Any tips on how to cloack landers from traffic networks & advertisers fromthe affiliate networks ?

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As a forum mod I cannot discuss cloaking in any detail. But there are threads in the forum that talk about this - you'll need to do some digging. There are also commercial cloakers you can subscribe to, and some of those are talked about on this forum as well, as you'll see if you do a search on "cloak", "cloaking", "cloaker".

Here are a couple of threads that will point you in the right direction. (Disclaimer: STM does not encourage the act of cloaking, and neither do we endorse any of the commercial trackers available on the market. Cloak at your own risk and discretion.)

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post293935

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...nt-ROI-Boost-*

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ed-Spots-Open)





Amy

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Got it, highly appreciated! Thank you

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