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Newbies First Journey in Mobile. (27)

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On display traffic, $38 spend without a conversion is common. Sad, but true.

I do have some experience running gaming offers on G2M. A few suggestions:

1)Bid low to minimize test budget. Try to start at around $0.10 and gradually increase your bid until you're getting traffic volume you're happy with. You can always increase the bid to get more traffic later - IF the offer shows promise!

2)It would be good to throw a couple of generic banners into the mix to establish a benchmark. For examples of generic banners please see:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...isplay-Traffic

3)I find that 1-click gaming subscription offers convert better than those that accept wifi traffic - conversion flow is different. Also, make sure the offer page looks attractive - it needs to make the visitor want to play the game(s). Some offer pages just look plain boring. Those don't tend to convert well without more pre-selling than just a banner.

4)Unless you're very good at making gaming banners, it will probably take testing lots of offers until you can find one that converts well enough to make profits from. Try not to spend too much budget testing each offer. I'd say run 10-20x payout to the offer to see if you get ANY conversions. If not, I'd move on.

Of course you can choose to throw more budget at each offer to make sure - it's a personal preference kind of thing. You can choose to test every offer more thoroughly, or spread out your budget over more offers. The choice is yours to make.


Looking forward to your next installment!


Amy

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Just want to clarify that the "cut after 10-20x payout in spend if no conversion rule" is a suggestion based on my experience promoting games on mDSP traffic, and only assuming you're bidding low. Just want to make that very clear in case you or anyone tries to apply this to other offers types or traffic types. In some cases, this amount may not be enough to assess the potential of an offer - particularly if you're testing multiple banner/lander angles.

Based on your screenshot, I see two things that can be improved.

1)Try to bid lower. Much lower - as was mentioned in my previous post.

2)You're right - the CTR is pretty low. If the offer page is attractive, you can get away with using just generic banners, which will often have higher CTR than banners that are customized for the offer. Downside of generic banners is that they do zero preselling for you - thus the reason why you'd need the offer page to be attractive, as it will need to be doing all the selling.

There's a new nifty feature that G2M has recently implemented (OK maybe not recently - it's been a few months), that will allow you to control your spend better - the Auto-Rules feature:



So you can set multiple rules to limit your Cost by OS, carrier, exchange, and/or placement, over the past x hours, to values ranging from $0.01-9999.99. Bidding low will also help to avoid the runaway traffic issue.



Avazu mDSP would be another good one to try. I've had good results there, and the minimum campaign daily budget is only $10.



Amy

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Wow. Thanks again Amy. More great tips.

Just signed up for Avazu mDSP and going to take a serious look at the generic banners you mentioned in your first post. But I must say I don't really understand why they would work. The examples you gave in the other thread you linked, don't even indicate what the user is clicking through to !

Also going to try out the Go2Mobi rules and see if I can set it to cap my budget.

Been away from all this the last day or so, but hope to get my third campaign done over the weekend and move ahead.

Anyway, once again thank you so much for all your great help. I really do appreciate it.

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I know what you mean - generic banners do not indicate what it is that the users are clicking through to. Their sole purpose is to get as many eyeballs on the offer page as possible, as some of them can have pretty decent CTRs. Essentially, it's a way of turning display traffic into pop traffic, i.e. to put the offer page (or your lander if you're using one) in front of as many people as possible.

I've had the most success with the FB icons with the red blinking message - which shouldn't be a surprise, because many people would click on that instinctively, thinking they have an incoming message. So that's the one you could start with as well if you like.


My pleasure! And thank you for starting this follow along as well, to allow other members to benefit from your experience.


Amy

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I know it's discouraging to not see conversions - but like you said, there are improvements! So you're getting closer!

Neither sweeps nor display is my focus, and I've never run sweeps on display. However, if I were to attempt it, I would certainly test lots of offers on pop traffic first, find one that converts really well, then try to make that work on display. That way, at least you'll have removed one of the variables, i.e. you'll have a proven offer. So you'd just need to test banners and landers.

F5, Adsim, and Maxbounty are all good networks. If you need more sweeps offers, consider signing up to Clickdealer and Appflood as well. (Disclaimer: STM does not endorse any affiliate networks. Please join at your own discretion.)

Nice work so far!



Amy

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Yes I know this is discouraging - but it's all a part of paying your dues when learning how to run camps.

Mobile display is harder to make work for sure, but camps are more stable than for pop, and usually last longer.

So - you can either continue with mobile display, or try your hand at pop. Either way, I'll do my best to help.

Let's start by going over this most-recent camp - here are some suggestions:

1)There's nothing wrong with targeting all exchanges from the start to see which one will work better.

2)The bid could have been lower. On pop you don't want to bid too low or you'd get crap traffic. On display I find that I still get decent CR at low bids. I try to start really low - at something like $0.11 for tier 3s - and increase it gradually until I'm just getting enough traffic. Downside: You need to wait a long time for stats. But if you want to do maximum testing at lowest budget, I would recommend bidding low, and while you're waiting for stats you could set up more camps so you're not twiddling your thumbs waiting for actionable data.

3)It is true that CR is more important than CTR, but a really low CTR is an indication of lack of interest on the part of the visitor. Sometimes it IS justified - e.g. when your banner angle is for attracting ONLY the right type of visitors that would be interested in your offer, in which case the CR could still be high. Generally speaking though, if you're targeting a broad-appeal offer (like sweeps, or casual gaming), you'd want the banner to be appealing to as many visitors as possible - which means you gotta get that CTR up. And there's no way around that except test lots of banners from lots of angles.

4)There are ways to avoid overspending on G2M:

a)When you're setting up the campaign, set the campaign status to "Paused'. This way traffic won't start right away after it's approved.

b)Try another mobile display network - Avazu mDSP for example allows a minimum daily campaign budget of $10.

c)G2M allows you to set up automatic rules to blacklist stuff. You can use that to curb costs. "Parameters to report on" include carrier, device OS, exchange, and placement, and you can set to blacklist them if anything reaches a cost a specify - and that cost can be as low as $0.01:




If you want to test more mobile games, I could give you a strategy, but you would need to test a lot of games in order to find some that work well. Some won't even give you conversions. If you'd like to give that a shot let me know.

And if you want to try pop again, let me know as well. With pop, if you rip popular landers and run a popular vertical (e.g. sweeps, antivirus), conversions are guaranteed, but to get profitable you'd still need to mass-test offers. For landers, if coding isn't your forte, I would highly recommend to just sign up to Adplexity to rip and fix them up. Or you could do some spying "in the wild" and down them that way - but it will be a time-consuming process.

AM certainly isn't a walk in the park, and the learning curve is steep, but it's something that every new affiliate will need to go through in the beginning. By joining STM and starting this follow-along, you've already improved your chances by a really good amount. There is nothing around having to test extensively and lose money in the beginning. You just need to see it as paying tuition to learn the trade.

You're doing well - just keep on testing and you'll eventually see results! Here's something that has motivated me in the past, that I hope will provide some motivation to you as well:



Keep on keeping on Simant!



Amy

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Amazing help as usual Amy.. Thank you so very much. That's really nice of you to go to such trouble.

Started a new Mastermind today and had a good chat tonight with the first member and he's doing exactly the same as me which is cool. We'll be parallel testing, i.e. same geo different offers (PIN's, Sweeps, Installs), or by rotating very similar offers in same geo, in effect running traffic to our own individual set of pops and offers using PopAds as the source, and halving our testing spend and halving our time to profitability. Or so we think

That's the plan anyway. Been researching offers this evening and we will get started soon. Any further help on good offers for pops and best geos to start with would always be very welcome. We're thinking English speaking countries outside the usual suspects, e.g. Kenya, Singapore, etc etc ...

Thanks.

simant.

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Hey all,

Still here and still fighting and determined to crack this nut n 2017.

Been running a few camps since I last wrote but I'm getting nowhere at all. Not even one single solitary conversion. I must say that I am a bit surprised at that just by the law of averages. But it'll take a lot more than that to stop me.

Anyway, I have more or less decided to concentrate all my efforts on mobile game/app installs so I don't jump around too much. Today I set up another camp using a game install offer on MaxBounty (converts on install and first login) with LeadBolt as traffic source. LB use images so I downloaded a load of images from MaxBounty that were provided on the offer page, and made a few more in Photoshop for various other sizes and uploaded to LeadBolt. But basically all images are the stock ones provided by the product owners.

Campaign went live earlier and my budget blew in about 20 minutes. I set $20 per day for a US/UK offer using CPC which I noticed was pretty high at 0.06. I just paused the old camp in LeadBolt and copied it using CPM at a max of $4. Waiting for that to get approved now and will let it run again for another $20 today and again tomorrow. I was getting a CTR of 20% so in theory CPM should perform much better in terms of click numbers.

But as yet from my initial $20 spend I got 313 clicks and zero conversions. Looking at my stats in my tracking it seems a huge percentage is coming from mobile on WiFi, and to be honest I have no real idea if WiFi would convert better than 3G/4G but I suppose it would if you're sat at home or somewhere else not worrying about download speeds and bandwidth.

Will update this thread again tomorrow when I see how the CPM bidding works out. Hope I can grab a conversion or two. Would be nice.

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Testing lots of offers is key, and NOT spending too much on any one offer is even more important.

Try this approach:

1)Pick gaming offers that are 1-click carrier billing offers. If possible, pick offers that have appealing offer landers with nice graphics. This isn't always possible because you may not be able to check out the offer lander if you're not using the accepted mobile carrier.

2)Instead of targeting by mobile carrier, try to target by IP lists if the traffic source has that option. G2M does. I talked about how to get IP lists in point #2 of this post:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...re-Experienced

3)Include some generic banners in the mix. I described generic banners in this post:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...isplay-Traffic

4)Bid low - start at $0.10. If traffic is coming in too slow or not at all, you can always increase the bid gradually. The more patient you are, the lower you can bid and the more money you can save. Instead of testing a single offer quickly with a high bid, consider testing 5-10 offers at a time slowly at low bids.

5)Cut the losers early. Run 10-20x payout in traffic cost, and if you don't get a single conversion, ditch the offer. Yes you'll probably be giving up on a few offers that may have ended up being profitable, but if you aim to give every offer a fair chance, it will cost you. And really, when you're bidding low, 10-20x payout should get a lot of eyeballs on the offer - enough for a real winner to prove itself.

Best of luck and thanks for the update! Always happy to hear from you.



Amy

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Thanks so much Amy. Tremendously helpful as usual. What would we do without you ?

I actually cut the offer. I got just over 600 clicks and no conversions, so I presumed that something wasn't quite right. Even in my vastly inexperienced mind, zero interest after more than 600 clicks isn't exactly a good sign.

I also noticed something interesting that I can put down to experience. After I duplicated the camp and made it CPM instead of CPC. my CTR plunged from over 20% to around 3-4%, which I guess can only be accounted for by bots or other fake clicks. The CPC camp burned through cash like a wildfire, whereas the CPM camp was far slower and longer lasting. It was also only one placement that was swallowing all my cash and accounting for over 90% of clicks in the CPC camp.

What now ? I was recently accepted to Adcombo and they look to have some very interesting offers, and I'm hopefully going live in the next few days with a new camp depending on when everything gets approved due to holidays.

So, yeah, moving on once again and just gonna keep on keepin' on. Definitely going to take onboard some of your suggestions and create some of my own images if possible and look into IP lists. In LeadBolt I'm stuck with absolute minimum bids of 0.06 CPC and 4 bucks CPM, so there's no room for lower bidding because I stuck with those minimums. Well, that's what it was for US and UIK traffic. I will see how it works out for this new camp using an offer for the Arab Emirates. I'd be surprised if it wasn't lower than that.

I think I also need to look at my overall attitude towards all of this. Am I being too lazy and too keen to throw anything up there and hope it works ? In some ways I think .. yeah, maybe. My approach should be a bit more considered. I think in the past I may have been taking a bit of a lazy mans approach to all of this, like ... find offer - yeah that'll do ... grab lander / pre-done images - yeah, that'll do ... go to any traffic source I have some cash left in - yeah, that'll do, and then cross my fingers. And if I do this enough times, one day something will magically work out and I'll be a huge sucess shortly afterwards.

So, yeah, a bit to think about and maybe this next camp should involve a bit more effort on my part.

Thanks so much for all your amazing help this year Amy. I really do appreciate it very much.

I wish you nothing but the very best for 2017.

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Aw what a nice thing to hear on the first day of a new year! Thanks...but really, without your willingness to be transparent with your campaign, there would only be so much I could do. So thank you very much for being a member and for running this follow-along as well!


Good call. Unless you have it on good authority that an offer is really solid, there's not much reason to spend a lot of budget on each individual casual mobile gaming offer. There are so many of them - best approach (as mentioned above) would be to just set a low bid and low budget to get as many eyeballs on the offer as possible, and cut it as soon as the budget is exhuasted.


This is a VERY good observation!

Next time you'd know to look out for placements like those, and to pause them as soon as you spot them.

Generally speaking, when testing an unproven offer/creatives, it would be good to pause the really big placements in the beginning (except for the ones you've seen good performance from in the past) just to get traffic from as many different sites as possible. This way you don't run into the problem of having one or more big placements sucking up your budget. So if the offer is getting traffic from a lot of different placements and STILL not converting, then you can safely point to the offer as being the culprit and not the traffic.

In light of this new information, I take back what I said about it being a good call to cut the offer at 600 clicks and no conversions.

The offer does deserve another test. But then with so many other similar offers, it probably won't be a loss if you decide to test new offers.


Well I've given you a rough approach for testing mobile gaming offers - so you could do that.

Or if you want to give Adcombo a try, those offers can work on pop and display and native. For pop and display, choose products that have very broad appeal. For native, products that are a bit more niche can work, but if you want to tackle native, be prepared to spend a fortune to learn the ropes and to do testing for a specific product.

Adcombo has a lot of offers available for tier 3 geos - so I'd suggest to start with those.


Tip: Stay away from tier 1 geos for now.

Tip 2: Look for offers in "obscure" geos that have virtually no competition. I've found more than a few gems there.

I'm referring specifically to mobile gaming offers on display, but I guess the same applies outside of this vertical and even traffic type as well.


There are affiliates that are using "lazy" ways to make money. Sometimes simple methods can work better!

So let's not think that to be competitive, we need to make things more complicated than everyone else.

The most general advice I have, would be to 1)test different things - approaches, offers, whatever; 2)identify what's working, and 3)find the simplest way to do more of what's working.

And try to focus on the big picture. Resist the temptation to squeeze every drop of profit from every camp. Refine your approach so that you can test a lot of stuff using the least amount of time and money, identify the best, and optimize and scale hard and fast.


There's nothing wrong with throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, but only if you have a good system for throwing up large amounts of shit, and in an efficient way so that you're spending the least amount of time and money possible.

On the other hand, there are merits to spending a lot of time on one thing as well. If you're wanting to do that, make sure you're focusing on something that has the potential of making a big impact to your bottom line!

Example 1: Testing an international offer you've heard good things about. In this case, you can justify spending days/weeks on testing a ton of different angles and creatives, using a 4-5 figure budget, because once you find a good angle that works for multiple geos, you could be making a shit-ton of money back. (This would be the opposite of testing carrier-billing mobile gaming offers - because carrier traffic is not available in large quantities, there's not a lot of scaling potential for any one offer that only accepts traffic from a single carrier.)

Example 2: Coming up with custom landers for a vertical you're already finding success in. Try to stick to ripped landers when you're first starting in a vertical. After a while you'll see what's working the best - lander angle/style/elements etc. And if you've found several geos that have good offers, and have some profitable camps running, that would be the perfect time to take all those camps to the next level by coming up with your own custom lander. You can test completely new angles, or test variations of your best ripped lander. Almost every single time I tried to come up with original landers, they ended up performing better than ripped ones. Key: You need to figure out how to keep your prize landers from appearing in spy tools. Don't ask me how it's done because I don't know - my coding wizards of partners are taking care of that. If you don't, your lander would be ripped within an hour.

So to summarize: Either use a lazy method but test widely to find lots of gems, or spend time on one thing that has a lot of profits potential. Just don't expect to use a lazy method and test only a new things, or spend a lot of time perfecting something that will not matter much. I know I'm making a lot of generalizations, but hopefully these will provide some food for thought


Thanks noted and accepted with gratitude! I wish you the best in 2017 as well - let's make this the most lucrative year EVER!



Amy

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Great helpful tips! Nice work Amy!

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Wow. Amazing help yet again Amy. Thank you so much.

A lot to take in there, but the biggest take-away for me personally was the above quote. Up to now I haven't been testing enough offers and I see that now. In future I really must start testing two or three offers at once to reduce the time it takes to find a winner. That makes so much sense. Previously I've kinda avoided that because I hate waiting for offer approvals across many networks. But I suppose that's me being lazy or too desperate to start my camp. Or both.

I've been reading around on STM a lot the past days and I get the impression that display isn't great at the moment. I've seen a lot of big guys and girls (including yourself) mentioning this, so I guess I should also revert back to pops even though I must admit that I don't care at all for ripping and cleaning landers. I don't enjoy that at all. But for now I'll use up the $50 I still have in LeadBolt for a quick tester with this new Adcombo offer, and after that go back to PopAds and test test test.

Sadly I have to go back to my J.O.B tomorrow (sob sob), but with great help you're dishing out here and my determination to succeed, I am hoping that later this year my J.O.B will be a thing of the past. That's the dream right there

All the very best, and once again - thank you so very much. Awesome help and guidance and I hope I don't let you down.

Wishing you a great start to 2017.

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You're addressed the main reasons why so many new affiliates are making the same "mistake" of not testing enough.

2-3 offers would just be a start. Once you've identified a decent lander, I would suggest testing a LOT more offers - preferably 10+.

If you'd actually send traffic to every offer you asked your AM to open/approve, they'll catch on after a while and pay more attention to you. Being polite and professional but persistent will get you noticed. If it doesn't, you can ask for another AM.


Display still has a lot of potential. You just need to be willing to test more extensively than other people.

And with so many people leaving, it's less competitive there now.

If I didn't think you could make display work, I would have advised for you to leave it alone (let alone provide a strategy). But if you'd be more comfortable sticking to the familiar (pop) for now, you have my blessing. You can learn a lot from running pop, and quickly, before expanding into other traffic types.


Having a J.O.B. is not a bad thing, and please trust me when I tell you I know what I'm talking about. It's incredibly stressful to not have money coming in when you're spending money like water trying to learn AM. Been there, done that, and wouldn't wish the same experience for my worst enemy.

So - allow yourself to enjoy and appreciate your J.O.B. while you're there, knowing that it's providing you with the peace of mind and objectivity you need in running camps. Not resisting anything in your mind (including your job) will keep your energy positive, which will allow everything in your life to improve a lot more quickly - including your camps! Not to mention you'll be happier by not loathing your job (and happiness is actually our ultimate aim, although a lot of us don't realize it).


You have every reason to be proud of yourself by being willing to invest time and money into AM while working a J.O.B.

Try to keep things light and fun - be inquisitive and curious like when you were a kid. If you test enough stuff something will start working. The trick is to not give yourself a deadline. Some blind faith will help a ton.

When you find something that works, THAT would be the time to get really aggressive and try to milk it as much as possible. But when you're still learning and isn't confident, pushing yourself too hard will just stress yourself out unnecessarily.

And our entire community is here to help - you're not alone.


And you as well! Let's make 2017 the most fruitful year yet!




Amy

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Where do you get these banners approved? I see them all over Adplexity but can't get them approved.

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Actually many mobile exchanges are still approving generic banners to various degrees. The only ones that don't are Mopub and Google.

And since I made that post about the blinking FB banner I've found others that perform even better - one of them is a play/download banner. Those tend to get approved more easily than the fb one.



Amy

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Hey all.

Haven't been around here in a while but I have been working hard deep in the CPA mines

Once again, thanks so much Amy. Always love reading your advice.

So, what have I been up to since I last posted ?

I funded a new ZeroPark account and been using that almost exclusively as well as some PopAds traffic. A few things were not clear in my mind about this whole thing and for some reason I ended up doing something that helped clear up a few things. I got an account at Monetizer.com and started blasting traffic at a global link. No idea why, but it kinda left me free to concentrate on learning tracking more and analysing stats and cutting placements and bad converting countries without having to care about the offer, as Monetizer handle all that depending on country, device, and other metrics.
It actually ended up being a simple way to learn what to do to make campaigns for the best converting countries profitable because I had a metric ton of data from the 30-40 countries that I initially targeted. I analysed Monetizer stats, stats in Adsbridge for countries, browsers, OS, devices, and learned how tracking and postbacks work, but I'm still a little sketchy on that to be honest. But I found the experience tremendously helpful and earned $18 from that, which was less than I paid in traffic, but not by much.

That aside, after I finished I felt confident to run some new stuff and experiment a bit, so I started an adult camp in Vietnam with a product designed for errrrrrr, let's say ..... the "smaller gentleman" who wants to improve his lot in the trouser area ! This COD (cash on delivery) offer was paying $8.00 and after a day I got a lead "On hold" which apparently meant a call centre had to call the customer and get him to place an order. Once the order is placed the commission gets credited to me. Sadly that lead cancelled but a second lead came in shortly afterwards and converted. I then got a few more on hold, about 3, but all cancelled which pissed me off a bit. Since last week I have another 5 on hold for Vietnam which considering the time that's passed I can't honestly see them converting now, but I haven't given up hope. Just looks pretty unlikely.

Also ran a quick camp in Turkey for a similar product and got one on hold which turned into a sale the next day, which I got $8.50 for.

Yesterday Is started a camp in Germany for exactly the same product as the Vietnam offer, and have received 2 on hold so far today which I hope convert as the payout is $17 per sale, so I would hate to see a potential $34 go up in smoke.

Right now the only things I have running are the German camp and I started up the Turkey camp again this morning.

Camp details - ZeroPark adult PPV using their top 100 recommended sites plus a list of top 150 xxx sites I found online and uploaded to ZP. I did get some convs using this method as I said, but I realised this morning that my targeting is probably a bit hit-and-miss because I'm not targeting buying intent for gentlemen specifically looking to "extend their meat".
Aff network - Adcombo, using only their pre-landers and sales pages. I must say that my manager at Adcombo has been brilliant. She is always there for me and she's immensely helpful. She's always giving me the best offers and the best converting landers and sales page combos. Can't say enough good things about her and Adcombo in general. Best network I ever joined for helpful advice and great offers, even though I am a raw newbie. So happy with them.

FYI : All offers are desktop only. No mobile.

Which brings me finally to a question for anyone who can help. What is the best way to find sites and scrape many URL's for product websites in countries Turkey or Germany ? How do I obtain a list of sites selling similar products or sites offering advice on this, so I can upload it to ZP.

I'm also guessing that I'd probably be much better off with an account at Exoclick or somewhere similar for this kind of thing ?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers.

Simant.

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Hello
keep going bro, i really enjoy reading this trip.
So i think that you need to:
1- Avoid the tier one country as USA, Canada, Europe... because you will get a very very very bad quality of traffic (traffic that don't convert), that's because you big very low + you have low budget for test the offer.
2- Stick with low payout offers that convert (ask your manager), in tier 3 countries, as that you will get more valuable traffic at same cost, and more numbers (DATA) for learn more about IM.
3- Test more offers from same vertical at once, and cut what doesn't convert, while keeps what convert.
3- Invest in a tracking tool, for you can understand better your audience, + cut what doesn't work, and improve your strategy based on in depth data.
Good luck

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Hey Simant thanks for checking in! Sounds like you've been busy! Good job on testing different things!

Cancellations will happen - my guess is that some people have buyer's remorse, and others get embarrassed when they receive the call.

One thing to do to make sure it's not because of your ad angle: Make sure not to mislead the customer on your lander. If you say "grow 3 inches in 3 days!", the first thing the customer would want to ask when they get the call would be "will this actually give me 3 inches in 3 days?" And the agent sure as heck ain't gonna back up your false claim. So make sure not to embellish by too much.


It would be hard to target people that are specifically looking for male enhancement products - the only way to get better targeting would be to target by keyword (on adwords for example) or to advertise only on male enhancement related sites. But when you target so narrow you lose scalability. So it would be better to target broad adult traffic and just test angles and products.

Ah so you're not using your own landers! DO test your own landers - I find that their landers don't work that great. And do mind what I said about not being misleading in your ad copy.

Scrapebox is one tool that can do this. There are a lot of other ones that will do what you need, but I don't remember them since I haven't used any in the last few years.


Basically you need adult traffic. Exoclick is probably the biggest adult network. There are many others, but Exoclick would be a good start. Do test their text ads as well - I had good experience with those a couple years back when promoting male enhancement. And of course they have pop and banner traffic also.

PopAds, Zeropark and PopCash also have adult pop although they're not adult networks.




Amy

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Thanks Amy.

About an hour after I wrote yesterdays post one of the German "on hold" leads converted to a sale which gave me $17. The other one is still on hold and no movement on the 5 holds from Vietnam. I can't see any of them converting after this time as I said, but would be nice to get one or two.

The main problem I'm having with the German camp is that the traffic just isn't flowing as I expected it would. It's been running now since Friday night and I've only had around 6000 impressions even though I'm bidding high and considering the adult business in Germany is huge. Still, it's just about in the green with the sale that came through yesterday, so that's one thing to be slightly happy about. As for the data - it just isn't there, plus the tracking id isn't working between Adcombo and Adsbridge, so I haven't even got an idea of which one converted. The whole tracking/postback thing is a nightmare for me so far.
I definitely need to dig a bit deeper into the German camp and find out why the traffic isn't going fast because I was happy with the stats I got for that. I had two holds from just 4000 impressions.

I will probably open an account at Exoclick this week. I really wanted to stick with a few same sources at the beginning to learn them. So far I've been all over the place on PopAds, LeadBolt, Go2Mobi, ZeroPark, without getting close to mastering any of them.

I know Scrapebox, but I'm on Mac and SB is Windows only. Will look around and see what I can find. I really need to start targeting people specifically looking for related sites to get better results I think. Using keywords is a good idea, but I'm not sure how I would approach finding keywords in Vietnamese, Turkish or other languages except for creating an English list and having them all translated.

So, I need to get my ass in gear and think about what I'm doing a bit more (why do I always find myself saying this ?). I know I'm pretty much a raw noob, but three conversions and $33 earned with my adult stuff plus $18 at Monetizer, ain't exactly impressive. Sure it's all learning, but I can't help thinking I should have it a lot more "together" in my head and in my actions by now, as well a being a bit further along than I am.

Thanks.

Simant.

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Then you really need to give Exoclick a try - they have a ton of DE traffic. I almost lost my shirt there running DE RON a couple of years back, so do not repeat my mistake by starting at RON. Pick one of the premium placements first to do your testing there, as you can be more certain about traffic quality compared to running huge traffic from a ton of sites on RON, all with different quality. Here's a post I wrote a long time ago that should still apply today:

https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post200678


That sounds really promising! Don't be discouraged about the cancellations - being profitable overall IN SPITE OF them is what's important.

As for postback - I don't use Adsbridge, but I've just read some documentation to find their tokens. Try placing this as the postback on Adcombo:

http://ovlw.adsb4all.com/trackpixel/track?tid={clickid}&amt={revenue}
(Replacing the domain name with your own.)

And when adding the offer to Adsbridge, leave the "Tracking token" box unchecked, and put the aff link with the &clickid=<tid> appended to it, like so:

http://efghi.pro/?target=-9AAJVKAI8CgAAAAAAAAAAAAR2inaVAA&ap=1234&clickid=<t id>
(Replacing the aff link with yours.)

(The offer link I've originally suggest was not correct - I've edited it according to the corrections advised by Zach below. Please do not include the spaces shown in the urls above - it's caused by a glitch in the forum software. Your actually links should not have these spaces present.)

Hope you figure it out! If not, do make a new post to ask the question. Adsbridge reps are active on this forum and you'll likely get a response, or other members may help you out. And of course you can contact their support directly as well if you haven't already.


I was actually suggesting to just target broad adult traffic. That way you get the traffic volume. But I'm all for encouraging what you're suggesting, i.e. to target more relevant traffic for high conversion rates. The traffic volume will be restricted but costs can be kept a lot lower.

Just a did search in google and found this:

http://skrayp.com/

I've neither heard of it nor used it - just wanted to show an example of the type of tools that are available out there.

As for getting keywords in different languages, I don't personally have experience doing that, but you could try this:

1)Use google translate to translate a few of the really general but relevant terms - e.g. bigger penis.

2)Use the Google Keyword Tool (sign up for an adwords account if you haven't already) to compile a list of keywords.

3)Plug them into a url scraping tool - for example the one I found above.


AM is all about finding something that works, and then doing it at larger scale. Everybody will proceed at their own pace, and it doesn't only depend on how smart you are or how hard you're working. So stop telling yourself you should be further along by now - some of the most successful people in the world had the slowest start. Just keep things light and fun and test different things, and when you find something that you feel has potential, focus on doing more testing in that area. Once you find something that works, do more of it - find a way to scale, and think of more efficient ways to do it faster and better.


And of course - feel free to bounce ideas around with other members here. Talking to people about your thoughts can trigger more ideas.




Amy

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Hello!

Here's a little breakdown on how to set it up:

When you create an affiliate network within our platform, you'll be given a postback link.
You want to make sure that yours looks like this at the end: https://monosnap.com/file/8NU78VlY9Q...q5gao6TlSvZ3yD

Then, you should add this ending to your offer (obviously, your url will not include Google): https://monosnap.com/file/jeWnGnFajU...I1yvDa32idPXeM

You will also want to make surethe tracking token box is un-checked.

That's it!

With any more questions, please refer to our support team at support@Adsbridge.com !

Good luck, and have a wonderful day

-Zach

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Zach to the rescue - thank you!

I've edited my post above to correct the affiliate link + tracking token at the end, according to Zach's instructions.



Amy

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Thanks so much Zach.

That helps me a lot with what to do, but I'm afraid that I'm still not 100% sure why ! I already asked the Adcombo rep and she told me that my postback was correct, which it is after seeing your screen shot, but she said that I should add &cid={clickid} to the end of my offer URL, and not &clickid=<tid>.

But I think I am closer to understanding it now. Basically in any network or tracking system, the token that tracks conversions only ever has one name, right ?? In the case of Adsbridge, tid is the name of the parameter and the <> means you're passing the value within tid. And on Adcombo side it's clickid that's always used as the name and the value depending on whether it has {} around it ?

So if the data flow is going from platform A (trkid) to platform B (cid), it's like this - &cid={trkid} Correct ? Name of param used by B is equal to value in the same param in A. Obviously assuming {} is used, and not <> as in Adsbridge.

Conversely, from B to A it would be &trkid={cid} ?

Think I FINALLY got it ! If the above is right then I can't thank you enough. It hasn't only solved my Adcombo/Adsbridge issue, but cleared the entire tracking thing up as a whole.

Sorry, it was so damn confusing seeing so many things in tutorials and in my AB acount like cid={clickid}, cid=<tid>, tid=#s2#, and and and ....... My head was about to explode with it all when it actually now looks simple. At least I hope I really have it straight now.

Thanks so much.

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Yes! It sounds like you've got it!

It took me quite a while to get that as well when I was starting out.

It's like every platform has its own language, and when they're talking to each other, the param is in the other party's language, whereas the variable is in their own language.

And of course, the <tid> is Adsbridge's "language" - it's a value Adsbridge has to swap in when sending the visitor to Adcombo via the offer link.

Good job! You only need to figure out these things once.



Amy

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Hi Amy. I hope you are well. Do you find ZP's adult traffic poorer than Exoclick's in terms of converting adult offers, or is the answer..'it depends' (eg on the geo, offer, bid etc). Thanks.

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Once again, thanks a bunch Amy.

I knew about Skrayp. I do Google stuff myself usually rather than asking others. I think my original question was probably badly worded. I was asking more about the flow people use to find suitable URLs in other languages rather than the tools used to scrape, but I'm always open to tool suggestions. Anyway, I signed up for Skrayp because it's really cheap and I'll test it out in the coming weeks and ditch it if it's no good. Incidentally, Skrayp is actually developed and owned by Luke from Peerfly.

Anyway, I gave it a go on my offer and scraped a load of URLs for Germany related to the subject, and since I did that the traffic has basically stopped. In the last few days I don't think I've even had 100 impressions despite ZeroPark showing a very high visibility for my bid.
So that leads me to believe that I don't fully understand how ZeroPark PPV traffic works. Just because I add many URLs, does that mean my ad will definitely 100% get served on all URLs I submit ? I know how platforms like LeadImpact work with their system, where target users all agree to receive ads in exchange for a toolbar install or free content of some sort, but I'm not sure about ZP. I must write to their support and ask how it works, because I can't believe that I've got so few impressions in this niche for a country the size of Germany with a huge erotic industry. Doesn't make sense. Either that or the URLs from Skrayp are crap. I need to get to the bottom of that ASAP. Will report back when I've figured that out. May also add back some general xxx sites.

FYI : Still got my 5 Vietnam leads on hold, and the other on-hold in Germany backed out sadly. My German camp is back in the red again.

So in summary my initial $200 ZeroPark deposit is more or less gone with around $55 made back. Quite a lot learned and it seems that you have to pay a lot to learn the game, so I suppose I can't really complain about that. MIstakes are costly and knowledge prevents them from happening again.
ZP sent me a list of the top offers going round ZP and there is of course no adult to be seen in any geo listed. That was probably a mistake to believe that a newbie could make it work on a network that doesn't specialize in that kind of thing. In future I'll stick with mainstream offers on ZP and open an Exoclick account for adult.

Speak soon.

simant.

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