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I'm done with 50onred (36)

10-11-2011 05:42 PM #1 heavyt (Senior Member)
I'm done with 50onred

Too many noobs driving up prices of clicks and constantly outbidding me every hour. The guys over there have been good to me, thanks for a good run.

10-11-2011 05:44 PM #2 jroes57 (Member)

Couldn't be anymore true.

10-11-2011 06:26 PM #3 groomez (Veteran Member)

I gotta say it might be partly to do with your screenshot of earnings plus the abundance of new marketers spreading the word on how XXX traffic source is awesome after seeing that. That kind of stuff attracts noobs like flies to shit.

I dunno though, it may just be one of things with game theory - wait a month when all the noobs have exhausted their budgets and threw their hands up in defeat saying "I can't make this work!!" Once that happens they leave go to the next traffic source. It'll go back to normal.

That's my .015 anyway

10-11-2011 06:41 PM #4 izmb (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by groomez View Post
I gotta say it might be partly to do with your screenshot of earnings plus the abundance of new marketers spreading the word on how XXX traffic source is awesome after seeing that. That kind of stuff attracts noobs like flies to shit.

I dunno though, it may just be one of things with game theory - wait a month when all the noobs have exhausted their budgets and threw their hands up in defeat saying "I can't make this work!!" Once that happens they leave go to the next traffic source. It'll go back to normal.

That's my .015 anyway
CPM or CPC?

10-11-2011 07:26 PM #5 groomez (Veteran Member)

o_0 ePBR all day

10-11-2011 07:30 PM #6 Mr Green (Administrator)

I see with any traffic source, there is this trend.

Phase 1: Shit platform, low competition, bugs are plentful, easy money.
Phase 2: Someone reports success.
Phase 3: Minor platform upgrades, high competition, harder money.
Phase 4: The affs who joined this new source because they couldn't make other sources work, decide it's crap like all the other traffic sources and leave.
Phase 5: Decent platform, medium competition, medium money.
Phase 6: Platform makes it into mainstream affiliate minds. Platform, competition and money all stabilize.
Phase 7: Affiliates who put in hard work make money. Affiliates who are looking for easy money leave.

10-11-2011 08:41 PM #7 peraction (Member)

Azoogle gave them a pretty big push which is why I knew to stay away on the affiliate side, if its on a marketing forum or on a huge email blast to pubs, it's already basically off my game plan.

For me, I don't mind outing a few little $200 a day and under camps here and there because I don't chase that kind of money, eats up too many time resources better spent chasing four and hopefully five figure daily campaigns, but a lot of guys are outing their best shit for absolutely no good reason.

This isn't directed at Heavy T at all but rather at all those who would rather be popular or perceived as an expert rather than making the cash for themselves.

There are many threads asking about the quality of some lesser used traffic sources, some in this forum. You won't see me chiming in when I'm pulling in a profit, how stupid is that "yeah guys, I'm crushing it on ______, you should really get on board"

Affiliates making solid money are racing each other to post how clever they are and how they do it, you must be on that dope, you think Geico calls up Allstate and is like "bro, we are MURDERING IT, with THESE banners on THESE sites, just had to tell somebody, cause its not cool enough to be rich in secret, gotta brag about that shit to people that will destroy it ya know?"

Seriously though, these people are not your friends, they are not your peers, they are COMPETITORS. You are Coke and they are Pepsi, you can have forums, you can chat on aim for hours, you can pop bottles in the club, but make no mistake, everyone is out for themselves, be careful what you say and to who.

Just two days ago I had an aff manager peaking into a campaign doing a few g's a day, she started asking very specific questions (played off as making me look like a genius) to try and gain insights as to how I was working the traffic so well in a funnel. At that moment, like always I ignore the question completely and change the direction of the conversation.

I'm not saying she was planning anything shady, she very well could have been really impressed and just making conversation, but then again every network I've ever done solid numbers with has shared information to help me make more money, 99% of it "learned" from their other affiliates who wouldn't be thrilled to know their strategies are being passed around.

My ego is just fine, I don't need it stroked by a bunch of people I could give a shit about, and certainly not at the price of a successful campaign. The most wealthy guys in affiliate marketing rarely have thousands of posts a year on a forum, if any at all, they are lurkers, there for their own personal gain of helpful information, if you feel the need to participate or offer something, ask yourself why, and what specific benefit you could possibly achieve by doing so. If the answer is a couple "thanks" posts on some forum and looking baller in front of people you don't even know, save it.

10-11-2011 08:49 PM #8 theguvna ()

I think a webinar by peraction would be awesome. Wouldn't need to teach anything detailed or specific either, just how his mind works approaching business. Well said ^^^

10-11-2011 09:15 PM #9 peraction (Member)

Thanks man, but there's nothing I could say in a webinar that isn't stuff everyone already knows, I stole most of my knowledge from business books anyway, the hard part is sticking to the great advice they give you as we all know.

10-11-2011 09:26 PM #10 theguvna ()

lol @ "I stole most of my knowledge from business books.... the hard part is sticking to the great advice they give you as we all know."

I hear you. I only mentioned it because I "think" based on your posts much of what you do is based in principles vs. tricks... I could be totally wrong but that's the sense I get.

I've pulled and pull 4 figure days, but never a 5 figure day, or a 6 figure month. Often guys that hit those numbers think on a different level in regards to risk management or trusting their instincts, perhaps. And I'd imagine the big one, focusing and staying focused on what's working, regardless of if it's not glamorous or new.

What I often think is that with the really big earners, it's not simply a matter of working harder, as you would have the same 24 hours in a day that I would... it's more you would be more efficient and focused on high yield activities (ie: I still setup many of my own funnels and do a lot of the tech stuff).

Sorry for the hijack heavyt.

10-11-2011 09:37 PM #11 evasive (Member)

Maybe if you spent less time posting screenshots of your stats, your traffic sources wouldn't be getting saturated.

10-11-2011 10:07 PM #12 ibanez (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
Maybe if you spent less time posting screenshots of your stats, your traffic sources wouldn't be getting saturated.
Quote Originally Posted by peraction View Post
Azoogle gave them a pretty big push which is why I knew to stay away on the affiliate side, if its on a marketing forum or on a huge email blast to pubs, it's already basically off my game plan.

For me, I don't mind outing a few little $200 a day and under camps here and there because I don't chase that kind of money, eats up too many time resources better spent chasing four and hopefully five figure daily campaigns, but a lot of guys are outing their best shit for absolutely no good reason.

This isn't directed at Heavy T at all but rather at all those who would rather be popular or perceived as an expert rather than making the cash for themselves.

There are many threads asking about the quality of some lesser used traffic sources, some in this forum. You won't see me chiming in when I'm pulling in a profit, how stupid is that "yeah guys, I'm crushing it on ______, you should really get on board"

Affiliates making solid money are racing each other to post how clever they are and how they do it, you must be on that dope, you think Geico calls up Allstate and is like "bro, we are MURDERING IT, with THESE banners on THESE sites, just had to tell somebody, cause its not cool enough to be rich in secret, gotta brag about that shit to people that will destroy it ya know?"

Seriously though, these people are not your friends, they are not your peers, they are COMPETITORS. You are Coke and they are Pepsi, you can have forums, you can chat on aim for hours, you can pop bottles in the club, but make no mistake, everyone is out for themselves, be careful what you say and to who.

Just two days ago I had an aff manager peaking into a campaign doing a few g's a day, she started asking very specific questions (played off as making me look like a genius) to try and gain insights as to how I was working the traffic so well in a funnel. At that moment, like always I ignore the question completely and change the direction of the conversation.

I'm not saying she was planning anything shady, she very well could have been really impressed and just making conversation, but then again every network I've ever done solid numbers with has shared information to help me make more money, 99% of it "learned" from their other affiliates who wouldn't be thrilled to know their strategies are being passed around.

My ego is just fine, I don't need it stroked by a bunch of people I could give a shit about, and certainly not at the price of a successful campaign. The most wealthy guys in affiliate marketing rarely have thousands of posts a year on a forum, if any at all, they are lurkers, there for their own personal gain of helpful information, if you feel the need to participate or offer something, ask yourself why, and what specific benefit you could possibly achieve by doing so. If the answer is a couple "thanks" posts on some forum and looking baller in front of people you don't even know, save it.
EXACTLY! I couldnt agree more with both of you. I mean people here share some of the information that makes them constant money, BY GIVING AWAY THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN (not talking about admins here), but i mean cmon. Few weeks later, they will post a topic here how everything is so saturated and how bad they campaigns are because of that. Sometimes makes me wonder what people will give away to just get some random "Thanks" from a stranger. If someone gonna make a topic OMG MADE A $100k in 3-4months using this method/traffic source, do you really expect for the campaign/traffic source to not get saturated?

10-11-2011 10:35 PM #13 heavyt (Senior Member)

Just the clear the air it didn't go down cause of the screenshot I posted, the reason why I posted the screenshot was because it/I was on my way out, I had used as much as I could and gamed it as much as I could, it starting going down hill a little over 3 weeks ago, as of late it wasn't worth spending the money i was to make as little as I was. I was doing 2-3k dollar days net on there, then 50-100 dollars, it just wasn't worth it to me so I posted the screen because well its not like I was making much with the current campaigns that survived being cut.

10-11-2011 10:40 PM #14 deondup (Member)

Its not Heavy's post that saturated 50onRed. Many affiliate networks have mailed out coupons and along with the word spreading through affiliate managers most guys "gave it a go". With a relatively small pool of traffic it does not take long for prices to drive up - which is good for them.

Also, keep in mind that many networks monetize their toolbar offers through 50onRed and higher prices puts more money in their pocket.

With all that being said, the flaw is with their platform and the way the bidding works. Top bid=100% traffic. Bid #2 = no traffic. Transparent CPC bids have and will probably never work in this way.

10-12-2011 12:42 AM #15 vidivo (Member)

hmm i guess i could chime in but peraction's great advice will keep it closed

10-12-2011 12:59 AM #16 jroes57 (Member)

It didn't help that out of nowhere they raised the price floor for USA traffic for no apparent reason..

10-12-2011 01:07 AM #17 dantheman (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jroes57 View Post
It didn't help that out of nowhere they raised the price floor for USA traffic for no apparent reason..
The more publishers there are, that means the more competition resulting in increases in prices, just like what facebook does and every other network out there.

10-12-2011 02:05 AM #18 index (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by deondup View Post
Its not Heavy's post that saturated 50onRed. Many affiliate networks have mailed out coupons and along with the word spreading through affiliate managers most guys "gave it a go". With a relatively small pool of traffic it does not take long for prices to drive up - which is good for them.

Also, keep in mind that many networks monetize their toolbar offers through 50onRed and higher prices puts more money in their pocket.

With all that being said, the flaw is with their platform and the way the bidding works. Top bid=100% traffic. Bid #2 = no traffic. Transparent CPC bids have and will probably never work in this way.
high CTR creatives don't get all the traffic? i know TV textlinks optimize by their ecpm

10-12-2011 02:26 AM #19 illya (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by peraction
Seriously though, these people are not your friends, they are not your peers, they are COMPETITORS. ..... make no mistake, everyone is out for themselves, be careful what you say and to who.

The most wealthy guys in affiliate marketing rarely have thousands of posts a year on a forum, if any at all, they are lurkers, there for their own personal gain of helpful information, if you feel the need to participate or offer something, ask yourself why, and what specific benefit you could possibly achieve by doing so. If the answer is a couple "thanks" posts on some forum and looking baller in front of people you don't even know, save it.
Quote Originally Posted by theguvna View Post
I think a webinar by peraction would be awesome. Wouldn't need to teach anything detailed or specific either, just how his mind works approaching business. Well said ^^^
A webinar on how to keep one's mouth shut. Brilliant! The anti-Webinar. At least it would be free (and short).

10-12-2011 01:13 PM #20 eliquid (Member)

The whole problem with this industry and why we keep chasing money at networks is because everyone wants to talk about how big their cock is all the time.

"Im crushing _____ here" or "_____ just shut down my 400k a year campaign" or someone slips to their AM their new traffic source.

I have seen it for YEARs and this alone destroys good campaigns. Once 1 person knows, 100 people know.. then that turns into 10,000 once it hits a forum or an affiliate network mailing.

I seen it with ringtones, with acai flogs, with pulse360 and adsonar, with media buys, with ppv, and now with mobile.

10-13-2011 01:54 AM #21 atherbys (Member)

I think I'll start a forum where no practical information is shared, no examples given since we're all competitors, and where any questions about affiliate marketing are responded to with contempt and imbecility, AND charge $99/month for it....oh wait...Wickedfire beat me to it dammit! (minus the monthly fee).

The internetz is an awfully big place guys, and unless any of you are capable of buying up all the available converting traffic with that plum card...then you and your 100k days are probably safe...

I'm actually paying the monthly fee on STM to learn a thing or two about AM...if someone feels the need to out a dying or successful campaign, then thanks for tip and I hope to learn something from you and how you achieved success...that's what makes $100/month worth my time, along with the other information and techniques that are shared here. If I want to learn basic business, I'll go take a college course...

10-13-2011 05:36 AM #22 lavish (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by atherbys View Post
I think I'll start a forum where no practical information is shared, no examples given since we're all competitors, and where any questions about affiliate marketing are responded to with contempt and imbecility, AND charge $99/month for it....oh wait...Wickedfire beat me to it dammit! (minus the monthly fee).

The internetz is an awfully big place guys, and unless any of you are capable of buying up all the available converting traffic with that plum card...then you and your 100k days are probably safe...

I'm actually paying the monthly fee on STM to learn a thing or two about AM...if someone feels the need to out a dying or successful campaign, then thanks for tip and I hope to learn something from you and how you achieved success...that's what makes $100/month worth my time, along with the other information and techniques that are shared here. If I want to learn basic business, I'll go take a college course...
Gotta agree with this.

Why else am I paying this fee other then to learn about new traffic sources/hot offers/converting lps etc.

I guess a happy medium could be reached but damn if I don't appreciate all the little tidbits I get here!

Also, in HeavyT's defense... Deon pretty much said the same thing... I personally heard of 50onRed from the promo on the Bevo newsletter long before HeavyT ever wrote a word of anything about it on here.

10-13-2011 06:37 AM #23 IvanOng (Member)

yeah... but i agree that heavyt should not be boosting about his 100k spend and stuff... what's the point of it anyway... if i am making good money on a particular network, i'll keep quiet and bang in quietly because boosting and tell people will only be inviting competitions which is pointless..

i rather be making good money than be boosting about how much i have done or what gift i have gotten from the traffic sources..

10-13-2011 10:25 AM #24 ibanez (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by IvanOng View Post
yeah... but i agree that heavyt should not be boosting about his 100k spend and stuff... what's the point of it anyway... if i am making good money on a particular network, i'll keep quiet and bang in quietly because boosting and tell people will only be inviting competitions which is pointless..

i rather be making good money than be boosting about how much i have done or what gift i have gotten from the traffic sources..

Yet thats what you do on your blog :P

10-13-2011 12:10 PM #25 deondup (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by IvanOng View Post
yeah... but i agree that heavyt should not be boosting about his 100k spend and stuff...
Everybody was bitching about the lack of traffic on 50OnRed.

Heavy posts a screenshot that shows what's possible - and if you've been running there you have to agree is quite eye-opening.

I really don't think he was trying to flex his muscle or stroke his ego. If you read some of the preceding posts about 50onRed it will probably make more sense.

10-13-2011 02:21 PM #26 jroes57 (Member)

Deondup, I remember you telling me there was a lack of traffic on 50onred that you didn't like also.

10-13-2011 02:43 PM #27 stackman (Administrator)

This will always be the case in affiliate marketing, the whole industry is extremely fast paced. People jump on offers, niches and traffic sources like wild chimpanzee's (to not do that would be dumb on our part). If you want traffic sources no one else is on, you have to be willing to search long and hard for them, then test 10 of them out with campaigns to find out which have potential. Most of us will sit and wait for them on forums though, but i can PROMISE you searching for them yourself will usually be worth your time, but it's a ton of hard work!

10-13-2011 03:19 PM #28 godspeed (Member)

Money shots are biggest motivation, at least for me, but it doesn't mean that I will jump in to that source, cos it's a suicide or in this case moneycide
I'll stick to what I do best and try to do it even better, than in my free time I'll learn.
Money shots motivates me to work harder and I think that that was the whole point of posting it.

10-13-2011 04:16 PM #29 The Angry Russian (Moderator)

Just my 2 cents.

People know I run mobile but the questions I'm getting lately are just lazy. People need validation on everything they do from what works best banners or text to what ad network works best.

The truth, I'm figuring it out like the rest of you, and guess what EVERYTHING works if you put in the effort.

Tip for you n00bs you don't make friends asking the following before you even know the person:
- what traffic source
- what offer
- what ad
- what bid
- what roi to expect

No one wants to give fucking handouts and some of you are rude as hell and think everyone owes you something. I'm starting to finally see why Ruck went Guru, helping ungrateful rude affiliates gets exhausting.

10-13-2011 04:50 PM #30 stackman (Administrator)

The good news is there's more and more tools being built everyday to find all this stuff out ^^

- Best offer? Ask your AM, they know better than anyone else!
- Best traffic source for your offer? Ask your AM + research on google, forums and alexa
- Ad concepts? Go spy manually on websites, or use many of the spy tools available (THEN create your own ads, you'll thank yourself in the end)
- What to bid? Doesn't matter, you'll figure it out after 2 days of bidding anyways

10-13-2011 10:56 PM #31 maynzie (Moderator)

Well said Stacks and Russian!

People must realise that what works for others wont always work for you, and that if you do the work yourself you will learn this game 100x faster then if you copy all day long.

Take the risks and it will pay off rather then searching and asking questions all day

10-13-2011 11:10 PM #32 Hannah (Member)

Plus the types of people that ask questions like "what verticals should I run" tend to never actually start a campaign anyways, or when they do and don't instantly profit they give up on AM completely.

10-14-2011 04:40 PM #33 theguvna ()

"No one wants to give fucking handouts and some of you are rude as hell and think everyone owes you something. I'm starting to finally see why Ruck went Guru, helping ungrateful rude affiliates gets exhausting."

Good lord this is sooooo correct.

I dont know what the fuk has gotten into some people, but some really do get pissed off when you dont hand them a winning campaign or strategy.

10-14-2011 05:24 PM #34 phoenix (Member)

...and some get pissed off when you try to share and not looking to get anything out of it making you re-evaluate your time and priorities.

10-18-2011 02:33 PM #35 jroes57 (Member)

Well now 50onred is slightly changing, they are disapproving keywords that aren't related to your campaigns.

12-05-2011 05:03 AM #36 andy_d (Veteran Member)

Yeah, 50onRed showed some promise for me last month, I was banking between 300 and 800$ profit a day with one campaign for about 3 weeks and then all the sudden the traffic went south and stopped converting for me. Apparently there was a massive clean up or something with some of their toolbars.. Still have a bit of cash sitting in that account trying to figure out what to do with it..

Oh, and it was a CPS diet offer if anyone was curious.

I had a few converting ads, converting LP and just added every single word I could find to my keyword list and stopped tracking conversions when I noticed little consistency. I just rode the wave for a little while. This is by no means a winning strategy and I believe just a stroke of luck for me in this one instance of experimentation with a rather new platform and means of advertising.

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