c2m? what happened? (43)
was surprised by this post
http://www.convert2media.com/blog/20...-veil-pierced/
c2m along with a4d have been my favorite networks to work with. what's going on?
WTF! Very surprising.
I wonder what's up with this little tidbit:
Page not found, what did it say?
hmm post removed?
that post went down.....what did it say?
In a turning change of events, I’m disappointed to say that the actions of my partners Steve Howe and Michael Durham have now caused a turn of events that will not allow Ryan Gray an affiliate manager of Convert2Media and myself Ralph Ruckman, the current Chief Executive Officer of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network to no longer be able to participate in the daily operations of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network.
It’s unfortunate that yesterday during the last day of the Affiliate Summit East tradeshow a private meeting was held between the current COO Steve Howe, the current CFO Michael Durham and the current CEO Ralph Ruckman whereas I stated and held a discussion to potentially plan an exit from the Convert2Media Affiliate Network. As with a lot of Networks in this Industry over the last year, I felt that the company was not only being mismanaged from a Corporate point of view but the network had become something I no longer wished to have daily involvement with.
In true immature fashion, I waited throughout the night for a “lockout” which is typically Steve Howe’s idea of ending business on a level of maturity that can only be compared to that of an infant and that is exactly what has happened. Where we go from here, well, unfortunately with a deliberate piercing of the corporate veil, I believe that the advertisers, affiliates and staff of C2M will face intense scrutiny publically on the actions of just a couple.
I personally have worked long and hard alongside my partners and staff of C2M to build one of the most solid Affiliate Networks in the Industry and after trying to bring the situation privately to my partners at first to avoid any miscommunication and drama, it has now come to this without warning.
I promise to do everything in my power to restore the reputation of the C2M network, however apparently until legal counsel is notified and now gets involved, I would like everyone to know that this is the current situation.
To the many good years we experienced – Ruck Convert2Media
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In a turning change of events, I’m disappointed to say that the actions of my partners Steve Howe and Michael Durham have now caused a turn of events that will not allow Ryan Gray an affiliate manager of Convert2Media and myself Ralph Ruckman, the current Chief Executive Officer of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network to no longer be able to participate in the daily operations of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network.
It’s unfortunate that yesterday during the last day of the Affiliate Summit East tradeshow a private meeting was held between the current COO Steve Howe, the current CFO Michael Durham and the current CEO Ralph Ruckman whereas I stated and held a discussion to potentially plan an exit from the Convert2Media Affiliate Network. As with a lot of Networks in this Industry over the last year, I felt that the company was not only being mismanaged from a Corporate point of view but the network had become something I no longer wished to have daily involvement with.
In true immature fashion, I waited throughout the night for a “lockout” which is typically Steve Howe’s idea of ending business on a level of maturity that can only be compared to that of an infant and that is exactly what has happened. Where we go from here, well, unfortunately with a deliberate piercing of the corporate veil, I believe that the advertisers, affiliates and staff of C2M will face intense scrutiny publically on the actions of just a couple.
I personally have worked long and hard alongside my partners and staff of C2M to build one of the most solid Affiliate Networks in the Industry and after trying to bring the situation privately to my partners at first to avoid any miscommunication and drama, it has now come to this without warning.
I promise to do everything in my power to restore the reputation of the C2M network, however apparently until legal counsel is notified and now gets involved, I would like everyone to know that this is the current situation.
To the many good years we experienced – Ruck Convert2Media
How convenient is it that Ruck and Ryan started IMGrind about a month earlier, eh? 
well curious to see whats gonna happen......but tbh never understood why everyone loved C2M....I never saw anything special.....
That is some weird news.
Let see how it evolves and if Steve has anything to say , he's a member here.
looks like the post over at Wickedfire has been deleted too. WTF is going on mayne
looks like new york got the best of em... sorry to hear about it they had some good offers i was promoting..
Shit, everything looked normal. I talked to ruck and steve on sunday @ ASE.
C2M was one of the first networks where I blew up a campaign and Ruck's guide on running skin care was 100% responsible for my success.
I really do hope the storm settles because its getting harder every day to find decent networks.
has anybody here managed to talk to someone @ c2m? i cant reach my am
It seems Ruck it's more into IMGrind now, he even had a tattoo on the back. He's talking too much about "retirement money" these last months. If you can make millions every year from the network without involvement + his "retirement money" concept with Ryan, I see him fishing marlins everyday. Why not?
I should have seen this coming when they changed banks last month. Business moving alot of money back and forth don't change banks that often.
His post makes it seem very sudden but I don't know that it's the case.
The whole thing is weird, and I also think it's very strange how it involves Ruck AND Ryan Gray being locked out. The post is a little hard to follow but from the way he says it, it seems like he had decided to discuss an exit strategy that would happen over a period of several months, and the rest of the board decided to basically tell them both to go fuck themselves and voted on a lockout.
C2M wasn't the bees-knees but it was a good, reputable, consistent network that I felt I could trust. I imagine it will decline from here on.
I'm sure Steve will keep the network running as usual.
I tried to sign up to c2m once and steve was a complete douche to me. Never been treated like that before. That was years ago. Always thought that didn't bode well for the network.
Originally Posted by klax
Yea wasn't very fond of c2m especially after one of their AMs there telling me I wouldn't make it in AM.
@jroes: who said that to you? very unprofessional
what i am worried now, this may be just the beginning of a storm
it was evident both parties didn't part well.
c2m is one of the most respected network, i hope it wont go down.
networks come networks go.
This was just posted on IMGrind by Ruck:
In the fairness of all affiliates, advertisers, staff and my "potentially" former partners of C2M, I have closed the thread that was started previously in this forum. At this time, this thread will serve as the first of what I expect to be many announcements to ensure publishers and advertisers and all parties who do business with Convert2Media that yes I along with Ryan Gray are moving away.
As for rumors, speculation and any nonsense that should follow, I'll let other forums fill up with useless posts of non-factual information from people who don't have a first clue as to what has transpired or will transpire.
The facts are this, we are moving away. Following the announcement that I wanted to move away, you get back and forth bullshit going on which some will take the wrong way without first clearing with the actual parties involved. Seriously, Shit happens. To be clear, I blame nobody and everybody at the same time because yes, as with any business, partnerships come and go and the beginning, things can quickly spiral out of control. We are human, we make mistakes. I'm just as at fault as anyone makes it.
However, things always work out. I've been around long enough to know, things always workout. I cannot and will not comment "for" Convert2Media and neither will anyone from Convert2Media comment "for" Ryan or myself. If shit talking and finger pointing and all that takes place, it won't come from here. We've got a community to run and C2M has a business to run. So, all bullshit aside, I'll leave it as we are moving away, C2M is moving on.
C2M has never stiffed a publisher and with the amazing people over there, I can only hope that they will continue to become a dominant force in Performance Marketing Networks. There is no reason for any publisher or advertiser to think otherwise at this point other than partnerships come and go, however BUSINESS CARRIES ON.
So with that said, I understand that is a very vague statement and I apologize for that but what's important is that everyone involved with C2M and doing business with C2M AND IM Grind should know and understand that we are all adults and yes, even grown ups can act like monkeys and throw some shit on the wall. MYSELF included.
However, we will do everything from C2M to the Grind in our power to make sure businesses from both sides keep going. Some is out of our control, some is out of their control. In the end, no matter what, everything will get settled and everyone will move on.
Now, Ryan and I are at the Leadscon event today and will be on the floor during exhibition hours of 3-5pm. I just wanted to shoot an update over here covering the important thing out of all this and that is - C2M still has a solid business, has never missed a publisher payment and will go on. Ryan and I have the Grind and it will go on. People may form their own opinions, but I will not comment anymore because honestly on the Interwebz and life in general, things can get turned around quickly an mis-interpreted and while I cannot speak for C2M, I know everyone over there, I respect everyone over there and I know EVERYONE has work to do.
Now I'm going to STFU, we all have work to do - Ruck"
Hell, I would have been pissed too if my two biggest guys decided to get that "guru money" and hold seminars in NY instead of promoting C2M.
Not sure what has transpired but c2m has always been good to me and if they are really closing up shop they will be missed.
Originally Posted by palmtree
Needless to say, I never worked with them. I did find it funny that after my blog took off, I was sent friend requests and then added to their FB group. I promptly left the group, since I'm not a publisher with them.
Originally Posted by palmtree
" I would suggest that you join a Mastermind Group like the X Forums or the Y Forums. Both are excellent resources and to join even one would be nothing short of an investment in your future as an affiliate marketer."
X & Y where affiliate links to forums (Not STM).
WTF - they're rejecting people and sending them affiliate links to membership sites? Hilarious.
Im not going to say who said that to me as it doesnt need to be said, but otherwise c2m is a good group of people. Well most of them 
C2M is my favourite network by far, it was the first success I saw in AM and got me to where I am today.
I have huge respect for Ruck, and my AM Kiley whom we have a great friendship on top of the biz world
How ever, Steve was a total fag to me on many occasions and simply brushed me off.
If Ruck was to start a new network, I'd be first one knocking
c2m was always good to me, paid on time, helpful AM's, no complaints. Interesting to see this transpire.
what's happen???
Yeah the only reason I wanted to push traffic to c2m was because of Ruck... Ryan eh, but Steve? lmfao fuck that guy..... and yes I do have my reasons why I dont like him so not sure if I will continue to work with c2m now that those 2 guys are gone since I dont really trust that Steve character..
If they keep good payouts, be responsive, paid on time, keep getting new offers, and be competitive, that's all that I need. I don't marry any network, I'm a whore looking for the best offer. My two cents.
I don't mind Ruck (I enjoy Rucks post on the c2m blog) or Steve (can't forget ninja optimization), but I don't know the other guys. Ruck and Steve seemed to of had their shit together.
If i had to guess what went on...
Ruck moved his attention to imgrind with the promise of bringing more affiliates over to c2m. Steve and co were probably initially ok with it. But then when push came to shove things didn't turn out as planned. Steve and co were left with c2m while still promoting imgrind but not getting anything back in return affiliate wise or work wise from Ruck.
I could be 200% wrong. Probably am.
Steve is a member of these forums, if you are reading this, would love to hear what happened!
wow this is shocking... but definitely has to do with the work load with IMgrind since Ryan Gray was involved in this dispute too... first it was ECM, then now C2M..
If it wasn't for Ruck, C2M would never exist. But, if they continue working as they did so far, I think that they are not going to lose many affiliates.
This might add into the mix. Imgrind was supposed to be millionaire mentors with all of C2M involved. Now we have IMGrind with only a couple involved.
People do seek for better life don't you agree?
I can tell that IMgrind did play a big role in this dispute. Who doesn't want to earn fast, easy and big "guru money" instead of working 20hrs/day dealing with advertisers and publishers, bearing all the stress from all parties, from offers to payments to advertisers...
Managing a network ain't easy (I guess bird man knows this better than anyone else, you hear me birdman?), and if there is an alternative way to make more money with lesser work involve, eg. Guru money, I see no reason that people would not move from Point A to Point B. just my 2 cents.
Anyway, my comment is not pointing on anyone or any network. It is just a general one.. let's see what will happen to C2m in the near future.
Just a story of a partner situation deteriorating. Finger pointing and what not on both sides. In the end Ruck/Ryan are going to run IM Grind and be affiliates it sounds like. Talked with them quite a bit at the show. I'm good friends with all parties involved. Funny enough they started with like 5 partners and were down to 3 partners when this happened. Now they're down to 2 partners. Keep this in mind when you do something.
9 times out of 10 partnerships end this way. One partner believes the other isn't pulling their weight and it becomes a finger pointing situation. I think C2M should be fine with Steve at the helm, he's good people. Ruck will be very successful in what he does as well I'm sure. Both are bright cats.
Originally Posted by jroes57
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