Faecbook is shutting down the affiliate channel?! (53)
Hey,
Really trying everything that i can think of...with creating new accounts.
It looks and smells like facebook is really against affiliates these days...
Everything is becoming so difficult with them...how many people are facing the same issues?!
I just getting "AME" (Ads Manager Error) one hour ago from facebook!! DAMN!!
Any ad network that gets big enough will start hating on affiliate marketers. Branding dollars are much nicer for them due to the fact that brands have bigger budgets and don't care about ROI. Facebook hasn't been friendly to affiliates in a long time.
One way around this is to present yourself as a marketing agency looking for traffic for your "clients". It requires a bit more work to get started...but you will have a much easier time this way.
What's an affiliate channel.
I get banned everytime any of my accounts gets a bump. I use to love account bumps, now I hate them.
It's gotten next to impossible to survive account bumps recently.
yeah automated bumps and ur account is done
Yeah... Got bumped to $500 a couple days ago and a day later, I got flushed. The barriers to entry are getting higher and higher.
But as always, where there's change, there's opportunity. Keep fighting the good fight.
I couldn't even imagine Facebook these days. I aged 15 years in the 3 years i was running with Facebook from stress and anger attacks.
As long as it's not driving you crazy it's worth the fight.
Facebook doesnt hate.
They are simply horribly managed.
Even the Big boys don't advertize there. See GM pulls ads from FB.
The profits/volume/quality traffic are still there though, to me it's well worth the epic battle!
yea, every single time is the "final bob".
Originally Posted by creathinker
Yeah, Bob is the most legendary one
Facebook is funny, one week they will tell me I am perma banned and the decision is final. The next week they will give me my same ads account back that they told me could not be reactivated... makes you wonder whats going on over there.
Originally Posted by miket
This is all down to a small handful of people who push celeb angles that are OK for short bursts of money & last a week or two, but cause Facebook to get letters from lawyers! Unfortunately as they clamp down on this, they clamp down on all the other affiliates that run legit stuff.
From the comments in this thread it makes it look like it's literally impossible to survive a bump, is this the case?
Had my account disabled for like 3 days, got it back after i showed them I am who i am, then went to another city for a business trip, added my credit card, disabled again and now im in a battle for my account again.
So annoying.
Originally Posted by getgreen
If you spend just under the limit, do they still bump your account? Or will they still inspect/ban you anyway?
Anyone have experience with this strategy?
If you stay under the limit you should be able to stay under the radar much better.
Originally Posted by faesthetic
I tried doing it with $500 accounts and spent $300 at a time and still got bumped to $750 which resulted in an auto ban the following day the limit came into play
I spent 200/day on all my 250/day accounts and lasted forever, but I haven't lost one to a bump yet. I just got a 500 and 350 bump and nothing happened. I lost 3 other accounts though all at the same time yesterday. I just assumed that if you didn't max out, the scrutiny would not be as bad, since I got the impression that the bumps were causing manual reviews from the posts here.
Edit: Just saw you said that you got bumped without maxing out spend. In that case, I don't know. I don't get bumped anymore when I don't max out, like I have gone 30 days with some of my accounts spending 200 a day and never got a bump. I used to see it happen, but not in a long time.
Just launched few travel offers on FB (new account), all ads disapproved. It's a sign! :P
i got my accounts back, then they disable, then i got them back, then disabled again. It's hit or miss, Im convinced it's just random with them .. they just hit a 50/50 spinner on if u shud get ur account back or not, i literally ran clean ads only and got it locked. retarded
Originally Posted by MJDUB
dude i hear you 100% it's almost comical ...
Facebook hates affiliates!
Sequence of events:
Wake up one morning to find account banned due to 'fraudulent activity'.
Fill the form and get a confirmation email that my case is being looked into by the risk department.
Get a reply from Bob that they need to protect their users from the filth and evil I am spreading. Their decision is final.
I pretend like I don't know what he is talking about. I tell him to make up his mind whether there is a problem with my payment details or with my ads. Ask for his supervisor's number.
Bob apologizes and gives me back my account. However, there is no payment instrument on file.
I add the same CC that was being used till now. Account gets blocked again. (For this step, I have tried adding a fresh CC as well, but to no avail)
I fill form again. This time get a reply from Heidi. She says my account is blocked, decision is final, etc...
I again pretend to be innocent, ask her to arrange a meeting with their Risk Department (lol)
No reply since then. (More than 15 days now)
Have gone through the above steps for like 5 accounts now. End result is always the same.
Originally Posted by wannabe
Were those accounts agency or personal ones?
I don't get why they do it, íf they say they are unhappy with your ads then fair enough thats more clear. But wtf why payments, unless you logged in from multiple IP locations.
I got the 'fraudulent activity' message when I logged in from few IPs and one Paypal payment issue.
Hows it going now though, all your ads on stall now?
Originally Posted by creathinker
this is how i always felt. I tried for a while to contact someone there and see if we could work together. Was going to get a 1 way ticket to Ireland to find a reviewer. Needed to find someone a bit shadier then the typical account reps
Originally Posted by maximallimit
can anyone confirm that you can't use the same credit card after an account gets banned?
You can't...
Originally Posted by mrwhite
My Account got hammered just now..!! I was going with old approved ads with out touching them and almost I didn't edit those ads.. I was going over 200-250% ROI every day... I submitted 3 new campaigns just now.. Fuck account banned... I can't get back my account because almost 40 CC's changed.. they will never ever give my account back.. !
When they ask for ID, does it have to be the ID of the Fb account its registered to, or nameholder of CC?
Originally Posted by philwilrgm
Originally Posted by chase
Also I notice when advertising with a fresh account (activated ads manager yesterday), all ads CTR are shit and so is the ROI. Or am I wrong? (I know ROI and CTR should be good since I made same and similar campaings as I did two weeks ago). Facebook sure demotivate people to start advertising with them.
Whats the best to do here, raise budget until becomes normal, or lower budget and wait for few days?
What factor plays more of a factor from experience, budget or the days of advertising?
I'm having same sort of issues atm, I have couple of images running for two weeks now with a .5-.6 CTR , I submitted a new ad with same images, title, body but CTR is bellow .1 and obviously CPC went up through the roof :|
Not sure what to do 
Originally Posted by maximallimit
Not sure what to do
Originally Posted by vipinext
Originally Posted by maximallimit
Btw anyone anyone got experience in whats the best to do with new fb accounts, raise budget until ctr/roi becomes normal, or lower budget and wait for few days?
I got 1 account banned about 2 weeks ago and I got two messages saying that my ban was final. After my first ban, I decided to use a relatives account w/ their CC & IP (same as billing address on CC) and that account was able to add a payment and create some ads but it shortly got the "ad's manager error". So after my second ban, I decided to log onto my old account's email address and it turns out that they actually reactivated my first account that got banned account yesterday (took about 2 weeks). It was the usual "Based on the information you provided, we have concluded the review of your account and you can now make payments normally. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused." message. So shortly after, I log onto my first account and re-enter in my CC and in methods of payment and yes, the IP of my location + billing address on CC were matched. That's about as far as I have gone for the first account; I still have some ads that were approved a while back in my account but I have currently set them to paused.
So recently, not too long after my first unban, my relative's account actually got unbanned and it showed the same message but Facebook responded a whole lot quicker this time than last time (24 hours). Also, there was never a "final" ban on this account, I just had the ad's manager disabled and risk management was going to review my account. I also have my previous ad's that were accepted on there set to pause.
So for both accounts, I have not done anything yet after the unban; besides going on it to make sure my ad's were set to pause and re-entering the CC information. I am still being cautious and don't want to quickly jump to conclusions yet since numerous people have stated in here that they shortly got rebanned after creating ad's.
So I am really trying to figure out what is the cause for all of this and what is/are the variable(s) that I can change to prevent this from happening again? I assumed that my first account got temporarily locked because the FIRST time I added my CC information, I was at a different location and had a different IP (friend's house, only about 100 yards from the location of the actual billing address). Also, this account is actually a BRAND new account, probably only had it for like 2 weeks after trying to submit an ad. Primarily, I thought that due to the account being new, that was also a probable reason as to why I got banned.. but that doesn't seem to be the issue. Also, I have seen people post up replies from "Risk management" to go create a new account if they want to advertise again. Also, if you read facebook's guidelines, they ALLOW you to have MULTIPLE accounts to advertise in. Here is from Facebook FAQ's..
Q:"Can I have access to multiple advertising accounts?"
A:"Yes, you can access up to 25 different ad accounts."
Q:"How can I effectively organize and manage multiple advertising accounts?"
A:"If you manage multiple accounts, you can use Account Groups to better organize and access them. Click here for more information on Account Groups."
So I really don't know, no one really knows, but I have personally crossed off "multiple" accounts as a variable to this ad's manager error. And yes, my first account had 0 friends, 0 wall posts, 0 everything, and not even a damn profile pic.. but they unbanned me and it is still living to this day. But, I have added a profile pic but the profile pic is only an image of art, not a picture of myself. The only thing that changed this time after I re-entered in my CC was that I was at my house this time and everything matched up. My second account that got the error and got unbanned had A LOT of time on it and it was a "REAL" account, hundreds of friends, wall posts, profile picture, all the "About Me" was filled out correctly. I would say this account probably had 5+ years on it. So even though it had a lot of time on it, I still primarily received a "disabled ad's manager" error.
Next variable. "Using the same IP as an old account that has been banned." Both of my accounts have the SAME exact IP address. Reason being, the second account I am using belongs to a relative that lives with me. We both use the same exact IP, but just log onto different computers. So that does not seem to be a variable in this situation. Also, everything matched up. So similar to what I said up there, I don't think FaceBook cares if you have multiple accounts on same IP.
Next variable. "Facebook hates affiliates". Yes, I know facebook does hate affiliates, but do they really hate us THAT much. For my first account, I got ad's manager locked, and a couple days after, my AD that i submitted before the account got banned was approved. For my second account, my ad's were accepted before, and THEN after a few days, it got the error. Keep in mind that i have NEVER gotten an ad disapproved yet on both of these accounts. Yes, you heard me, I have never had an ad disapproved on either accounts.. yet. And when I filled out the "Ad's Manager Fraud" inquiry, I told them everything and I told them the truth, I was brutally honest with them. Well, obviously, I did not tell them I was an affiliate but I precisely told them what my ad's were used for and yes, I am and have been only promoting dating offers for those of you who are wondering, and yes, some ad's do show a various amounts of skin and most of them are pictures of girls, BUT I have never had any of them get disapproved yet. Also, I clearly stated why the URL led to another destination and what that destination was used for and that my domain was used for TRACKING clicks. Yes, that's how honest I was with them, I told them everything.... literally. Also, I do follow all the guidelines for dating and I do make sure to set all the parameters settings according to Facebook's policy. (I.e. target only one sex and choose single, etcetc) Also, if anyone was wondering, I have only done international offers.
Also, REAL cell phone numbers were added to this account before the ban and the yes, the phone numbers billing address matches up w/ CC and location, etc etc..
So.. now what? I have literally gone through every thread that I can find about people receiving this error to try to come to conclusions to why this is happening and to how I can prevent myself from getting banned again but it seems like not a lot of people have survived long after getting unbanned, or at least that's what it seems like.
Also, I have never hit my daily spend and I plan to never hit my daily spend. If I ever want/need a daily spend bump, I will probably personally call into facebook or send them an them online; I just don't trust sending inquiries or random account bumps cause they just send a robot after you and do the usual thing.. which means another ban hammer.
So my question to you, fellow STM'ers, is: Has anyone gotten "unbanned" and survived longly after? If so, what did you do differently from the first time and what do you do in general?
Also, I was wondering if the people who have gotten unbanned and are still surviving, can you post how long you have been surviving since your last ad's managers error? Also, like stated in first question, what did you guys do differently or what are you doing in general?
Thanks in advance guys!! & Yes, first STM post after being on/off here for 5 months ^_^. Thanks for all the help and information that you guys have provided so far!
Originally Posted by frgmnts
So recently, not too long after my first unban, my relative's account actually got unbanned and it showed the same message but Facebook responded a whole lot quicker this time than last time (24 hours). Also, there was never a "final" ban on this account, I just had the ad's manager disabled and risk management was going to review my account. I also have my previous ad's that were accepted on there set to pause.
So for both accounts, I have not done anything yet after the unban; besides going on it to make sure my ad's were set to pause and re-entering the CC information. I am still being cautious and don't want to quickly jump to conclusions yet since numerous people have stated in here that they shortly got rebanned after creating ad's.
So I am really trying to figure out what is the cause for all of this and what is/are the variable(s) that I can change to prevent this from happening again? I assumed that my first account got temporarily locked because the FIRST time I added my CC information, I was at a different location and had a different IP (friend's house, only about 100 yards from the location of the actual billing address). Also, this account is actually a BRAND new account, probably only had it for like 2 weeks after trying to submit an ad. Primarily, I thought that due to the account being new, that was also a probable reason as to why I got banned.. but that doesn't seem to be the issue. Also, I have seen people post up replies from "Risk management" to go create a new account if they want to advertise again. Also, if you read facebook's guidelines, they ALLOW you to have MULTIPLE accounts to advertise in. Here is from Facebook FAQ's..
Q:"Can I have access to multiple advertising accounts?"
A:"Yes, you can access up to 25 different ad accounts."
Q:"How can I effectively organize and manage multiple advertising accounts?"
A:"If you manage multiple accounts, you can use Account Groups to better organize and access them. Click here for more information on Account Groups."
So I really don't know, no one really knows, but I have personally crossed off "multiple" accounts as a variable to this ad's manager error. And yes, my first account had 0 friends, 0 wall posts, 0 everything, and not even a damn profile pic.. but they unbanned me and it is still living to this day. But, I have added a profile pic but the profile pic is only an image of art, not a picture of myself. The only thing that changed this time after I re-entered in my CC was that I was at my house this time and everything matched up. My second account that got the error and got unbanned had A LOT of time on it and it was a "REAL" account, hundreds of friends, wall posts, profile picture, all the "About Me" was filled out correctly. I would say this account probably had 5+ years on it. So even though it had a lot of time on it, I still primarily received a "disabled ad's manager" error.
Next variable. "Using the same IP as an old account that has been banned." Both of my accounts have the SAME exact IP address. Reason being, the second account I am using belongs to a relative that lives with me. We both use the same exact IP, but just log onto different computers. So that does not seem to be a variable in this situation. Also, everything matched up. So similar to what I said up there, I don't think FaceBook cares if you have multiple accounts on same IP.
Next variable. "Facebook hates affiliates". Yes, I know facebook does hate affiliates, but do they really hate us THAT much. For my first account, I got ad's manager locked, and a couple days after, my AD that i submitted before the account got banned was approved. For my second account, my ad's were accepted before, and THEN after a few days, it got the error. Keep in mind that i have NEVER gotten an ad disapproved yet on both of these accounts. Yes, you heard me, I have never had an ad disapproved on either accounts.. yet. And when I filled out the "Ad's Manager Fraud" inquiry, I told them everything and I told them the truth, I was brutally honest with them. Well, obviously, I did not tell them I was an affiliate but I precisely told them what my ad's were used for and yes, I am and have been only promoting dating offers for those of you who are wondering, and yes, some ad's do show a various amounts of skin and most of them are pictures of girls, BUT I have never had any of them get disapproved yet. Also, I clearly stated why the URL led to another destination and what that destination was used for and that my domain was used for TRACKING clicks. Yes, that's how honest I was with them, I told them everything.... literally. Also, I do follow all the guidelines for dating and I do make sure to set all the parameters settings according to Facebook's policy. (I.e. target only one sex and choose single, etcetc) Also, if anyone was wondering, I have only done international offers.
Also, REAL cell phone numbers were added to this account before the ban and the yes, the phone numbers billing address matches up w/ CC and location, etc etc..
So.. now what? I have literally gone through every thread that I can find about people receiving this error to try to come to conclusions to why this is happening and to how I can prevent myself from getting banned again but it seems like not a lot of people have survived long after getting unbanned, or at least that's what it seems like.
Also, I have never hit my daily spend and I plan to never hit my daily spend. If I ever want/need a daily spend bump, I will probably personally call into facebook or send them an them online; I just don't trust sending inquiries or random account bumps cause they just send a robot after you and do the usual thing.. which means another ban hammer.
So my question to you, fellow STM'ers, is: Has anyone gotten "unbanned" and survived longly after? If so, what did you do differently from the first time and what do you do in general?
Also, I was wondering if the people who have gotten unbanned and are still surviving, can you post how long you have been surviving since your last ad's managers error? Also, like stated in first question, what did you guys do differently or what are you doing in general?
Thanks in advance guys!! & Yes, first STM post after being on/off here for 5 months ^_^. Thanks for all the help and information that you guys have provided so far!
As for keeping your account spend under the limit, I've heard of people getting auto-bumps with only spending 60% of their limit daily. If you REALLY wanted to play it safe I'd say to keep it under 49% of the limit daily to be safe. But that's just me guessing.
I just got a bump from $250 to $350 yesterday. I was spending $220 a day. I didn't want a bump either. Just glad they didn't kill the account. Just FYI.
Originally Posted by butthole
I got into trouble when they bumped me from $300 to $400, within 2 days it was resolved. Now I got in trouble again for payments when they bumped me from $400 to $500. SOOO annoying. This time they say it's permanent.... Anyway I'm happy there might be hope, I don't understand why they would ban me when I'm always paying on time etc. I'll send more messages and hopefully I get unbanned. Not sure if I should try a new CC after... Probably...
Originally Posted by philwilrgm
Is FB still a viable traffic source for non corporations?
Originally Posted by sandyone
What "affiliate" channel?
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