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Follow along: finding massive profits from Facebook dating (43)

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I'm running international dating campaigns on Facebook. I'm currently running ads in Brazil. I'm running eDates [BR] for male traffic and Be2 [BR] from female traffic.

My ad CTR's are looking good, landing page CTR's are decent, but these offers aren't converting. I think the offers aren't good, especially eDates, but its probably more so that my landing pages are crap.

For eDates my overal CR is only 1.72%. This is probably because the majority of my traffic is 18 year old males. I'm determined to get this massively profitable. My demographic is absolutely massive and I'm getting 0 and 1 cent clicks. The only problem is that payouts are only $1.13.

Here are screenshots of my landing pages (downsized because they're screen shots from dreamweaver), and of my ad CTR for male traffic.

Right now I'm going to write up new landing pages. I've tried direct linking but these offers haven't been converting. Does anyone know of good dating offers for Brazil? offers that take both male and female traffic?

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That is one Crazy CTR, I unfortunately don't know much about other offers than e , c date and be2 but if you can pull that ctr in other niches in br you'd be printing money

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seems like there aren't many offers in Brazil. There is ParPerfeito. it's $0.20 payout for SOI, but $6 for CPS. I'm going to attempt the CPS route. According to my affiliate manager there are some people legitimately sending 1000 leads/day. Will see how this works out.

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Just got an email saying that I'm violating Facebook's terms. They retro disapproved 100% of my ads, even my fake philanthropy ads linking to the American Red Cross donation website. Luckily I didn't get banned. I just deleted all of my ads and all of my pages. All of my ads were getting really good CTR's - 0.2% on massive demographics. I was ready to set up a bunch of new campaigns today but I'll have to put that on hold for a few days. Oh well, just a minor setback.

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Keep at this, lots of potential once you crack it. Guys doing $xx,xxx/day with Facebook and dating right now

Definitely use a landing page, and figure out a cloaking system though, those agree style pages won't last long uncloaked

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Yeah make sure you're split testing all the available BR offers, good idea to forget about their EPC's and just ask which offers are doing the most revenue. Seems your CTR is in tact haha, but yeah keep searching for the golden offer because if you have the traffic and the right offer, Facebook is murder status. I don't run FB myself but 2 good pals of mine use landers all the time, so you're on the right track

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Mike hows your CTR's for example FR and DE? Back in december I managed to get a consistent 0.4 - 0.8 ctr for DE until I got banned. Now with my new account I started up similar campaigns and I can't even get them to hit 0.2ctr, makes no sense :S I have recovered few other countries but still... not what I used to have in december. Most of those high cts I only got to run them for a week, so it can't be that the ad is burned.

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Subscribed in to your follow along mate

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if you are getting .01 cpc... and if you have epc $1... it is good know?? what is your epc in brazil??

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Just woke up to this "go fuck yourself" ban email from Facebook.. I guess it's time to figure out how to make new accounts. I somehow saw this coming.


@stackman - what's an agree style landing page? I actually was cloaking (I've got access to a VERY legitimate cloaker), but I think I made it a bit too obvious that I was linking to dating campaigns. I'll have to be smarter about my cloaking methods next time.

@philwilrgm - I haven't run traffic to DE or FR since about November. Lately I've been focusing more on countries with really cheap CPC's, like Czech Republic and Brazil. Most of my ad CTR's in these countries were nice, anywhere from 0.1% - 1.2%

@dinish - my EPC's were low. I haven't looked at my EPC's. I was paying 0.01 CPC's but the offers weren't converting too well. I was only slightly above break even.

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1.7 ctr is even possible? That is crazy man..

if u need help with ad accounts hit me up on skype : jhn.hnsd

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Had the same error message, created a new account with same cc number and works fine, I'm testing bizopp offer on facebook brasil
http://www.capitalizacao-qsorte.com/...7b572161800467

i ll let you know its results

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so my account is still banned. I emailed them yesterday. They asked if I have every run any non-compliant ads. My answer was "NO" of course. ha. We'll see what happened.

I'm actually working on these campaigns with someone else so we're running these ads on his account. Our ads are still running at $0.01. Landing page CTR is 18.92%, but only converting at 0.99%. 43 conversions total today. ROI is 20%. Not bad considering it's profit, but considering how many clicks we have this should be way higher.

We're also rotating 4 different networks since we're sending 100% male traffic and the offer we're promoting has a 100 lead/day cap.

Currently optimizing landing pages to try to increase CVR.


Random side note: I have a potential job opportunity coming up, so I'm currently reading Angry Russian's guides on mobile marketing to get up to speed. Mobile is some interesting stuff. Expect to hear more about mobile from me in the future!

EDIT: also, if anyone has any tips for to on how to get my Facebook account back let me know. I'm hoping that Facebook returns my email tomorrow and removes the ban.

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So Facebook's decision to ban my personal account is final. Tomorrow I'm going to go through the steps necessary to get my account back.

So we've got Be2 profitable. The only thing is that we're sending all male leads. All male, but all 35+, so maybe that'll help. I'm not sure how we can really scale this campaign.. we're rotating 4 different networks so we can just send 100 leads to each of them, but we won't be able to get pay bumps. I want to ask Be2 to check the quality, but I'm scared they may pull the plug on us. We'll likely take the worst performing network and have them check the quality of those leads.

We've been optimizing the fuck out of our landing pages too. Hint: guys like big tits, nice asses, and all of those other things that indicate that a woman is fertile.

Today we're going to be testing CPM vs. CPC. Before my account was banned I had CPC ads at 1.2% CTR and I was getting 1 cent clicks, and I had the same ad on CPM at 0.232% and I was getting 0-1 cent clicks.

0 cent clicks + higher landing page CTR + payout bump = what I want.
Going to have to get the quality of my leads assessed.

We'd start sending female leads, but ironically Facebook rejected the (super clean) ads. Facebook is nuts. They always approve my super risky ads of women, yet they reject a super clean ad of a man wearing a shirt with a neutral expression on his face.

I WILL defeat this Facebook beast... just gotta hope the ads don't get retro'd and the account gets banned again...

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Saturday I spent $115, made about $161 (I've noticed that CPVlab isn't 100% accurate with tracking conversions, so it's $161 give or take a few dollars).
40% ROI

Sunday I spent $115, made $203, so a nice 76% ROI. Keep in mind this is on a 25 million person demographic, so I guess it's a nice ROI.

Just found out that my networks both have 200 lead/day caps on these offers, and I Just got a pay bump, so I'll likely increase traffic within the next day or 2. I'm concerned with my lead quality though because I'm sending all males.. all male, but 35+. Many of the people signing up are in their 50's though, so hopefully these aren't considered "low quality." The main goal for now is to go direct with Be2.

We've optimized our landing pages pretty nicely. Average CTR is around 25%. We're running multi-variate split tests so we'll optimize even further.. will try out new headlines, cta's, etc.

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Are you cloaking?

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Yes.

Be2 just told Adsimilis to tell me to stop sending them traffic. This campaign is probably going to end pretty soon... it's only a matter of time before be2 tells my other networks to tell me to pause traffic. I wish there was a good dating offer in [my target country] that isn't as picky as Be2. All of the other offers I've tested are complete crap if run on Facebook.

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You can always try to negotiate a lower payout to stay on the offer and still make a nice ROI.

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The payout was so low to begin with I'm not sure if it's even worth it.

I'm wondering now if it's smarter to send less traffic to the 2 networks that haven't kicked me off the offer yet, or if I should increase the budget even more and milk the offer while I can before getting kicked off by all networks

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always milk the fuck out..

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Update:
So I was optimized off Be2 on Adsimilis, but my other networks actually gave me a pretty significant pay bump with Be2. Interesting.

Yesterday was a good day for FB:
Total spend: $165
Revenue: ~290
ROI: ~75%

CPVlab seems to miss a lot of conversions even when I manually upload my SubID's, so that's why I used the ~ sign in front of my numbers.
This was my first xxx profit day, so it was a good one.

We're currently testing out a new angle, which isn't working too well. We're hoping that while conversions might be lower, the quality of leads is better. I may have to ask my AM for a quality check soon.


Also, I am going to try creating a FB account when my AMEX card arrives in the mail. Yesterday I created an ad the instant I created my account. I'm not sure if it was this or my VCC which set off red flags for FB. Likely because of my ad. Supposedly with Bank of America VCC's you can't detect if it's a VCC or not.. will have to do more research on this. NExt time I create an account I'll wait a week before creating my first ad. I'll also upload a bunch of photos and become active on random groups and start adding friends and shit. I WILL defeat Facebook...

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Hey Phil - What is your daily spend limit for this new FB account? And what was the daily spend limit for your old FB account (before you got banned)?

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just had an account bumped to $750 this morning and later this afternoon disabled for "fraudulent activity."

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Yesterday was a bit nuts. For some reason none of my clicks were tracking in the morning, and I missed out on a bunch of conversions. We're not sure exactly why this happened, but it was most likely an issue from Facebook's end. The shitty thing is that we're linking internally, and any review on the account will get us banned, so we can't do anything but accept what happened. Complaining will only bring unwanted attention. But regardless of this mishap, we still came out on top:

Total Spend: $165
Total revenue: $216.20
ROI: 30.1

And the day before yesterday (jan 29th) was a good day too. I spend $165 and made about $100 profits. A nice 60% ROI.

This is my first real profitable campaign so it feels good to finally be making consistent profits. Keep in mind I started back in January 2012, so it took me over a year of consistent failure to get to this point...

So far this week I've made $635.75 with one of my networks (the one which I'm not sending 100% of my traffic to). It takes 1000/week in revenue to get moved to weekly payments. If everything stays consistent I should read that 1000/week threshold. Until now I've been working mostly with 1 network who's supposed to pay every month but it usually takes them at least a month and a half to pay. My AM with them is also a complete idiot. (I won't name which network this is). They've had me on monthly payments, but they usually take about a month and a half to pay me. If I get moved to weeklies with this other network it should help a lot with my cashflow. I'll be able to spend more money and scale up faster.

I just got an AMEX Gold card in the mail today. When I signed up for it I read that if I spend 10k or more within 3 months I'll get 75k points. So right now I have a lot of incentive to spend a lot of money on advertising.

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starrmikeh tell me please, besides Be2, which dating offers are converting good?

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I have the same question..
edates converts like shit (though maybe it's better on Adult traffic sources), and ParParteito only has a $0.20 payout....

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EPCs on edates Brazil are between .06 and .12 and definitely getting some FB lurve albeit mixed in between adult, a sprinkle of review sites, etc. ParParteito is pulling in around .07. Be2 Brazil is up to the low $.30s (w/lander). Did the AM say your bumps were from the advertiser being pleased and wanting more of your traffic, or did they perhaps cut their margins to snag your traffic? I've noticed a lot of guys get optimized on be2 br to a lower payout, the standard one's an inflated payout that probably won't last forever (especially when tied to said "women fertility indicators" lol) but you don't need it to be that high to find that sweet sweet samba spot where everyone backs out. Me thinks it's less about Be2 being "picky" and more about them not monetizing the leads as effectively as they can. Local payment methods are the name of the game for our dear Brazilian bananas, and when Be2 incorporates Boleto and local national credit cards, that will help. It's in the works. Good luck!

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The pay bump was definitely from the network cutting their margins to get more traffic from me (this was smart on their part because I'm giving them 100% of my Be2 traffic now). I have no doubts that this campaign isn't going to be long term.. I'm trying to milk it while I can.

Today was the best day I've had yet. Best day in my AM career so far actually! I'm really fucking pumped right now..

I hit my lead cap. I shut traffic off at about 10 leads before the cap, but leads are still trickling in. I hope this doesn't bring too much awareness to my account from Be2... the last thing I need right now is a quality check. lol

Total spend: $165
TOtal revenue: $460
ROI is at a cool 178.8%.

I still have 2 hours left so I should be getting a few more conversions.

I just broke $1000 in revenue for this week, so I'm gonna have my network put me on weeklies. Though this might not be necessary, because be2 will probably kick me off the offer for exceeding the cap and sending too many low quality leads. If I get kicked off my current network I'll have to switch traffic over to my other network. That'll suck because payouts are significantly lower and the cap is half as much.

About getting my Facebook account back: I sacrificed one of the accounts I made yesterday. I added my VCC yesterday, and today I tried creating an ad. As soon as I submitted my ad my account was locked/banned. BUT... I have a second personal account that I made about a year and a half ago. I've been running it on the same IP as my banned account and there are a lot of virtual fingerprints left behind. I submitted an ad on that account today and I haven't been banned yet. I'm hoping that my ad gets approved.. if it does then I should be good to go in the mean time. (I'm running current ads on a friends account right now). I think the trick to getting new accounts is letting them age for a bit.

That being said, it's a bit unreal for me that I made this much money in 1 day. All of this was made from home with no boss. 1 year ago I knew absolutely NOTHING about anything related to marketing.

I have to find a new profitable campaign ASAP... this be2 campaign won't last for too much longer...

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Congrats man!

Maybe the network won't kick you out, talk with your AM, how do you know it's low quality?

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Thanks Crysper. Initially I was rotating the offer between 4 networks. 1 of the networks kicked me off.. said that be2 asked me to stop sending traffic since my leads weren't backing out for them. I'm sending the same traffic to the other networks, so I don't see how it's possible for these leads to be any better. We'll see though.. I won't jump to conclusions just yet..

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Change domain. change 1 pixel on you images. remove exif data from your images. They probably don't track text in your headline and body, but if you want to be on the safe side, change 1 character. Replace . with a ! for example. Once your account is "safe" and you've jumped through all their hoops, you can change your ad copy back to the original.

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Just read through most of this, a great follow along.

STICK WITH 1 THING, it was my best early advice!

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Try onehourmasterbation.com they specialized in adult content translations.

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Hi Nice follow along. If I do as you did, but if my ad copy is "Want A Girlfriend?"... isn't that obvious it's a dating thing?

or are you doing this? "Want Free Education", but when click it becomes a dating lander? Any help to clarify this better?

Another question, I am having bad experiences in FR. Last time was great, just can't find it to convert now. Any tips? My CPC is always between 0.21 - 0.50. My CTR at best is 0.1% but it's quite rare and mostly on 0.03 - 0.05%. It was used to be good, but I am not sure due to ad blindness. Any tips to improve ads ctr? does ad copy matter? Any help? Thanks.

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That's why someone who is still trying to grasp how facebook works and making dating work on it should not be thinking about something like cloaking. And I can also say that it would be highly, highly unlikely that someone would give you their angle on cloaking a certain vertical on any traffic source. One could argue it's even more valuable and harder to come up with than an actual angle for your campaigns (i.e. date a soldier), because not only do you have to have your angle simultaneously appeal to the reviewers, but you have to balance making your ad appeal to your demographic as wel

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Use common sense. If it says "Want A Girlfriend" then that's very obviously a dating thing.

And I can't tell you what I'm doing. As timtetra said, that would be giving away my cloaking angle, and obviously I'm not going to give that away.

My tips to improve ad ctr: find better images.
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This is not directed at anyone specific.... but everybody reading this should understand that what I'm doing is vastly different than what most others are doing. I'm not going to give away ANY specifics about my methods. I have absolutely no reason to increase competition for myself. It doesn't matter to me or anyone else that you're paying $99 for this forum... that doesn't mean that you're entitled to know what I'm doing. The only advice I can give you is to try out new things and hope that it works.

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Yup he is right

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Agreed. Not doing so will result in complaints and quick loss of a FB account.

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Then why even have a follow along in the first place? By having a follow along and omitting the key details you are only stroking your own ego while you send everyone else off on a wild good chase.

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This thread was created to so I could keep myself accountable. I had no intentions on including "key details" when I started this. I'll write everybody a rain check for the money they lost on thanks to the "key details" I omitted.

Now if you'll please excuse me, I'm going to go back to working on my secretive campaigns that I'm not willing to share. Enjoy your wild goose chase.

Ok, I'll stop trolling and turning this place into WF

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I think a follow along should serve to get help from people, advice on what you're doing wrong and how you can improve. Essentially a launchpad. Once things get momentum and are working well I see no reason why someone should reveal juicy details - there is enough copying/stealing going on in AM already, the last thing we need is more handed to us on a silver platter.

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Agreed.

Teach how to fish without revealing the exact bait and secret spot on the lake.

That's plenty.

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The problem is there is no fishing going on here. It's more like bait and switch. If your secret is the only thing keeping you profitable and you're not willing to share it then the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

Sure no problem, you can keep your secrets all day. I'm not chasing anything.

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