My venture into Adult PopUnders (48)
I have some experience with PPC but that was from years ago (Acai Berry days). Since then i've beeing doing other stuff and i've been doing well.
I was watching a documentary (Earthflight) and then something came up in my head. That got me inspired to start my ppc campaigns again.
My ultimate goal is to make $XX.XXX/month again.
My landingpage is being hosted on hostgator and i'm tracking with prosper202. If this campaign is a winner I'll move it to beyond hosting. Should I switch to CPVLab?
I'm getting my traffic from: JuicyAds
Targetting: European Countries (starting now with 1 country)
I have a fake chat landingpage.
Im dong two offers now, both on C2M
FlirtFair (referenced from now as offer 1)
Sex Dejt (referenced from now as offer 2)
On to the stats:
At first I had a simple white background. I ran it to offer 1:
Date: 11-21-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 10,429
Spend: $20.86
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 102
Conversions: 0
Revenue: $0
Profit: -$20.86
So that didn't look promising but it's only the start.
Now I took the white landingpage and added the background color of offer1: THis made it look much better.
I was busy with some other stuff and totally forgot that I switched the offerlink to offer 2. Here are the stats from yesterday:
Date: 11-24-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 4,444
Spend: $8.00
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 49
Conversions: 2
Revenue: $8.00
Profit: $0.00
So I broke even today. The funny thing is that I was running lander 1 to offer 2 but it still got conversions because the landingpage looked much more professional.
Another interesting thing is that I ran traffic during 2 parts of the day. 1st one was from 13:00 to 15:00. It produced all the 2 conversions. I had to leave the house but came back around 23:00 and ran it from 23:00 to 01:00. I was thinking at night the conversions would be better but I was wrong because I didn't make any leads.
Ofcourse 2 conversions aren't anything to run stats on 
So I stayed up till 4am last night and build 2 landingpages.
Landingpage 1 (background colors to offer 1) -> Offer 1
Landingpage 2 (background colors to offer 2) -> Offer 2
I'll be rotating these offers today. We'll see how it goes. Any tips/suggestions are welcome 
you need more traffic. spend a few 100 a day
That is my plan. But the first couple of days was setting up my landingpages and tracking. It's running now....
So here are todays stats so far (till 16:00)
Date: 11-25-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 11,373
Spend: $20.47
Convert2Media:
Clicks Offer 1: 81
Clicks Offer 2: 81
Conversions Offer 1: 0
Conversions Offer 2: 0
Revenue: $0
Profit: -$20.47
I was wondering why I didn't get any conversions so far.
I had a feeling that my landingpage would be looking bad in some other browsers so I went to http://browsershots.org and entered my landingpage URL and I was shocked to see that my landingpage wasn't working in about 90% of the screenshots.
So i'm going to see if I can fix that. lots of javascript stuff though. Hopefully I can fix it...
This is today's totals.
Date: 11-25-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 23,251
Spend: $41.85
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 194
Conversions: 4
Revenue: $16.00
Profit: -$25.85
Only around 1.5% of the people clicked from the landingpage to the offer. Is this normal? I don't have an idea what kind of CTR to expect from this.
I switched the LP to an older girl with more cleavage. Tracking that one separately.
Did you end up switching to CPVLab? I'm trying to get into adult as well. Maybe we can talk through skype or someting if you want to talk. skype: ajteam2
1.5%-3% is avg popunder ctr, ive been doing them alot recently pm with ur skype if u wanna chat
Originally Posted by majr
Originally Posted by spamalot
JuicyAds is.. well don't make me say it. If your trying your luck with popunders check out plugrush.com
Excited how this works out for you man! 
Pops are so dirt cheap and the volume is just nuts..
Thanks for the tip username. I'm going to try plugrush too. Hopefullly there is enough traffic for this country.
But... what is juicyads... is it juicy or shit? i assume shitty hehe.
Check http://www.trafficshop.com/ out too.. $1,25 per K
So I need a better hosting for this. p202 is missing like 60% of my clicks and I'm missing some important data (and traffic?)
The ads were running during the afternoon. Here are the stats:
Date: 11-26-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 10,241
Spend: $18.43
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 184
Conversions: 4
Revenue: $16.00
Profit: -$2.43
Even with my messed up tracking I am seeing lander1 is performing much better than lander 2.
So the question is now.... Beyond Hosting Starter Plan or WiredTree VPS1000 plan?
Edit: Beyond Hosting it will be.
You need goood hosting for pops and a CDN.
plugrush is EWW... brother..
Originally Posted by joejoechen
Originally Posted by spamalot
I finished setting up everything yesterday with Beyond Hosting. Stats look MUCH better now. I even now can see the refers lol.
So today I'll be turning on the campaign again and I'll post an update at the end of the day. I will also start setting up the new campaign for the other country wich has 10X more impressions than this one.
Edit:
I just reloaded my juicyads funds and I requested new popunder campaigns in 2 more european countries.
And I did a small test landingpage. The girl with cleavage got twice as many clickthrougs. So I will be testing alot more, with and without clothes
CDN = Content Delivery Network.
Example: http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/
Basically you upload your content once and its get mirrored at multiple data centers around the world. That means your content will load super fast for your users/surfers. Personally i use the rackspace cloud. They have a pay as you go plan and if your not running a boatload of traffic its almost free.
So yesterday's stats:
Date: 11-27-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 15,674
Spend: $27.68
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 65
Conversions: 5
Revenue: $20.00
Profit: -$7.68
Pfftt seriously, 1 day I'm getting nearly 3 times more clicks to the offer with less traffic?? Could be the time of the day though. I know I shouldn't jump to conclusions but still...
I'm still not seeing all my clicks recorded in p202 with beyondhosting.
For example. It's only reporting 4901 clicks on the landingpage, but should all impressions be recorded as clicks?
At least it is recording the leads though, and i'm seeing that the girl with the "nice" breasts is performing better. So i'll dump the other girl (sorry 
) and keeping this one girl with 2 different backgrounds. Upping the budget and letting it start a little bit later tonight, I will reactivate it at 8pm.
I'm still waiting on response from plugrush because my account is still not fixed.
I have my other country ready to launch, but I will probably do that one tomorrow.
Any questions, suggestions?
Date: 11-28-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 10,442
Spend: $18.96
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 74
Conversions: 0
Revenue: $0.00
Profit: -$18.96
Date: 11-29-2012
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 13,765
Spend: $25.89
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 98
Conversions: 6
Revenue: $24.00
Profit: -$1.89
No conversions on the 28th 
OK this campaign is paused. P202 is NOT tracking all the people that are arriving. I have 5000 clicks while I recieved 10.000+ popunder views.
Does anyone have any experience with this? I'm hosting everything on Beyond Hosting Starter plan.
The epc of the offer is $0.16, the landingpage ctr is above 1%. I should try something to increase the landingpage ctr. I have no clue yet. The offer conversion isn't bad imo.
Anyway, I could really use some help with the tracking, If I'm only tracking 50% of the traffic then I have a feeling that not all the clicks to the offer are arriving (I could be wrong but I don't know).....
Edit:
So I have added a new landingpage with another girl that i'll test tomorrow.
Also I saw that there is a similar offer with another landingpage that's converting better than what I was using. Switched that too and everything is ready to start testing tomorrow.
Still dunno about p202....
i assume popunder loss to be around 15-20% so ur server might not be up to par considering ur lossing half ur pops and 1 percent lp ctr is way to low
So, you got better hosting for p202, but your LP is on the slow shared one? Probably, this is the reason?
Pop unders is new to me thats for sure, going to have a test now see if I can dig anything up other then that im watching this thread like a hawk bro
Keep going it looks like things are coming up a bit, I know exo does pop unders too might be easier to get going cos juicyads has a fkn weird as upload system
Originally Posted by spamalot
Originally Posted by peanut
Will post an updated when i've done more testing today.
Thanks for watching maynzie
Back again. December and January were pretty busy for my main source of income so I had to dedicate my time and attention there. But now things are running smooth again and I'll be testing again.
Current status is that I have an upgraded server at Beyond Hosting. I checked my history stats from my both p202 accounts and here is the status:
Old P202
New P202
I was aiming for 2% CTR on the landingpage but the conversions were horrible.
So i'm sticking with the one that has 1.29%. I'll also be filtering alot of the bad websites once they reach 1000 impressions and no conversions. So far only 3 sites have reached 1000 impressions so I'll filter out those and resume the campaign later today.
Try trafficholder.com and exoclick.com for pops, I have had success with both.
Edit: Also, test adding sound to the LP - it will get it more attention, sometimes good, sometimes bad attention
Good call on checking the page out with Browsershots. Browser incompatibility is a really easy (and unpleasant) way to lose a lot of clickthroughs.
Good luck with the campaign!
great followalong.
^ It really is, this type of traffic is abundant and isn't covered as much as it should be on the forums because it's hard to tame any type of pops
So today I wanted to restart testing but I had so many versions of the landingpage that I lost track of it all.
So I reorganized things and then I spent some time optimizing the landingpage.
Before:
Now:
Hopefully this will reduce load on the server and even give me better stats.
What I basically did was downsize all the images and removed a bunch of css code that was unneeded and added them to the landingpage instead of different includes. Pretty much what is outlined here -> http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...s-Loading-Time
Hopefully I can do some testing today/tonight. but weekend is coming and then I definately have some good hours to spend on this. Will keep you guys posted.
Also finding this follow-on very interesting. Looking forward to the next thrilling installment!
So finished setting up everything. Added 2 totally new landingpages to the mix.
Here are the stats from late thursday and friday
First of all. After the first 2000 clicks/impressions I realized that all my landingpages had the same image so I wasn't splittesting anything lol. I immediately changed that so my data is a little bit contaminated.
I dropped the landingpage C. It was a 3 step questionniare landingpage fyi.
Will leave everything like this and run it a little bit more.
Hover around breaking even, slight loss (data is still not alot to talk about).
I'm going to put some effort in improving the landingpage the start of next week. I'm missing alot of things (like social stuff).
Any tips on what else I can add would be great. As for now i'm thinking social stuff, audio, hopefully a video if i can find a good one that fits.
My LP Is a basic chat lander, random image on the left, chatbox on the right. I did blend the offer's background with my landingpage.
Great thread! There are so much traffic in popups! It'll be easy to scale when you become profitable. Good luck!
OK so here is the latest update. Ran things again for a few days and here are the stats from yesterday.
Date: 03-04-2013
JuicyAds:
Impressions: 28,326
Spend: $41.05
Convert2Media:
Clicks: 287
Conversions: 16
Revenue: $56
Profit: $14.95
Stats from Prosper
So seriously...prosper is counting only half (12,495) of my impressions? I'm also missing some conversion data there....
Could this be hosting? I upgraded to beyondhosting VPS1024 package. Is this lost traffic or just "not tracked" traffic?
I disabled the non converting landingpages (based on my all time history). So now I'm running 3 landingpages (they are identical but only the girl is looking different).
I don't have enough data from the other sites to filter out more of them yet so i'll leave that like it is.
I feel like I have a winner here (and it's only 1 country). I tried running this campaign on plugrush but it got rejected "with no further comments" lol. so i'll look into that.
And I'll try to translate this text and run it in another country on juicy.
I put in a ticket about the stats difference with beyond hosting, this is really pissing me off, I feel like i'm losing revenue here.
Obvious question - is the offer secure (https://) and your tracking on http://? I'm guessing not, but it's always worth checking.
My tracking is on http.
The tracking links tarts with http not https.
I actually got the same question from my ticket with Beyondhosting. Are you guys the same people? lol
Do i need to setup https? I have no idea how...
Still waiting on C2M AM 
I'm going to call them today. "Losing" 50% of the traffic sucks big time.
So I finally got response.
Yes this offer requires https. But does this matter if my landingpage is already losing 50%. The Beyondhosting guys are telling me that I'll need SSL but I don't think this has anything to do with this if my LANDINGPAGE is losing this traffic.
Anybody got an opinion on this please?
I see this too on my campaigns getgreen. I contacted the traffic source but never got a reply. I often see a discrepancy of around 30% between the clicks reported by the traffic source and Prosper.
I'm not sure what to do. I've tried optimizing my LP, but it didn't make any difference. Is this huge click discrepancy normal?
This difference in clicks is driving me crazy too because I'm often just below break even.
I"m having the exact same problem as above, I believe it's a problem with the traffic source stating that you're receiving more hits than you actually are. I've noticed around a 20-30% loss, it seems common with popunders.
I had the same problem with traffic junky. I switched from prosper to cpvlab and that solved the problem for me.
You can test this out to make a campaign and use you LP url (so no tracking), make sure you use subids in your affiliate link in this lp to track Click throughs. Than let it run for a few hours and check how many clicks you got from your ad network, than check your clicks to offer, calculate your ctr. Compare with prosper stats and you will find out if prosper is the problem or not.
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to skip p202 today.
That's a good call. Let us know how things work out!
So I did,
I tested everything and it looked good, asked for a paybump and went from $3.75 to $4.50
Ran stuff yesterday bidding really low ($1.40 CPM) and so far $11.30 spent and $18 revenue (4 leads). Stupid thing is that I realize that my self made subid tracking wasn't sending the subid's to C2M... so i'll need to see what's wrong with that so I can continue filter underperforming sites.
Will let it run and update in a couple of days.
Pop unders can be serious winners or total flops, I pushed the idea on a few affiliates last month and some have done some excruciating big days lol you just have to match the right pop to the right tube site, just because your first 3 attempts suck doesn't mean you should just write them off, keep trying some new things cos this is sick would be awesome to see a few more pop under follow alongs because its a lot less saturated then ya normal NTV's and top rights
Nice thread, still don't know what a popunder is though :P
Originally Posted by faction
I am really interested to hear your progress.
I am trying pop unders on Plug Rush and have had some mixed results.
One campaign is SUPER profitable, although that took some serious optimization, another one is dragging its feet in the mud like crazy, but it is brand new and I think it has some potential.
Everything is being tracked so my guess is it will make a profit in a week or so.
Would love to hear your progress!
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