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Another Day Of Watching Traffic Vance Taking My Money :P (19)

02-10-2011 03:50 AM #1 jroes57 (Member)
Another Day Of Watching Traffic Vance Taking My Money :P

Another deposit of $500, things will be different this time around right?

02-10-2011 03:57 AM #2 sqallpl (Member)

Sure

02-10-2011 03:24 PM #3 stackman (Administrator)

Sounds bad man, you can't throw your money away. You have to create a unique campaign, market it, focus on important things, maybe it'll take you a week, but it's better than making rapid fire quick campaigns that won't convert.

02-10-2011 04:29 PM #4 sqallpl (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stackman View Post
Sounds bad man, you can't throw your money away. You have to create a unique campaign, market it, focus on important things, maybe it'll take you a week, but it's better than making rapid fire quick campaigns that won't convert.
I have to read it 100 times, because I've just burned another 100$ on some RON shit. I need to go back to what I was doing for about week - making small targeted campaigns.

02-10-2011 04:34 PM #5 stackman (Administrator)

^^^
Yep, you burn through money slower, you learn better, and generally you find more profiting campaigns. Jroes actually showed me quite a nice campaign that I'm sure if he focuses on and try's new angles it'll work. Can't just throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks, have to plan it, market it and SELL it!

02-10-2011 04:43 PM #6 sqallpl (Member)

Another thing is that 90% of my campaigns are based on AdOn network traffic. I'm using them because you can get very cheap views ( 0.005 ). Im wodering is it true that there is a big difference between a quality of traffic from different networks? How about difference betweet AdOn and lead Impact? If I see that I cant make something profitable with 0.005 views how I can do this with 0.15 views? Im probably wrong and I should test more - as always.

Stackman - are you still using AdOn? What is your opinin and your experience with this traffic source?

02-10-2011 05:30 PM #7 stocks (Member)

It's 0.015 not 0.15 You should definitely try another traffic source. I've not had any luck with Adon network, but I've not run much there either.

02-10-2011 05:34 PM #8 jroes57 (Member)

In my opinion lead impact converts better then traffic Vance and stack that campaign is profitable just working on scale. I generally stick to a unique campaign and don't throw a whole bunch at the wall. My problem is low LP ctr

What's everyone elses problem with PPV?

02-10-2011 06:38 PM #9 sqallpl (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stocks View Post
It's 0.015 not 0.15 You should definitely try another traffic source. I've not had any luck with Adon network, but I've not run much there either.
Yeah its 0.015 I know, it just was my typo.

In my opinion lead impact converts better then traffic Vance and stack that campaign is profitable just working on scale. I generally stick to a unique campaign and don't throw a whole bunch at the wall. My problem is low LP ctr
Im ususally getting lower CTR on Lead Impact compared do AdOn. Its probably because AdOn uses pop-unders instead of pop-ups.

02-10-2011 06:59 PM #10 bbrock32 (Administrator)

At AdOn you see a huge ctr because they have some junk/robot traffic. I had a few landers with them showing a 70% ctr , which is impossible with PPV (and I was doing RON!!! ).
I installed analytics on that lp and found the after they clicked they had a 90% bounce rate.

The trick with AdOn is tracking partner ids. This way you can exclude the junk traffic.
LI in my experience has only human visitors , that's why the lower ctr.
Split test your landing pages / page elements to increase the CTR.
If you need help how to split test specific landing page elements with p202 let me know.

02-10-2011 08:21 PM #11 jroes57 (Member)

When do you call it quits on a target? Ive spent so much money on split testing targets and they are never giving me above 3% LP CTR, which I need to be higher to remain profitable.

My question is when is split testing enough and when do you call it quits?

02-10-2011 08:40 PM #12 nick (Member)

My problem at the moment is getting sufficient traffic. I've just launched a car insurance campaign on TrafficVance, and gone for an 'angle' similar to the modded car one mentioned on the forum. I've avoided the big insurance URLs (geico, etc..) because they have ridiculous bids, and scraped a list more related to this particular car niche. Thing is, there is literally no traffic.

I found the same doing a US Auto Warranty offer on Lead Impact. Just no traffic.

02-10-2011 08:51 PM #13 bbrock32 (Administrator)

@jroes57
I don't have a fixed rule, but generally if a target spends more than 2x the payout of the offer and no conversions I drop it.
If it converts and I'm in the red , but the target has big volume , I move it to a separate campaign and try to build a landing page just for it.

@nick
I generally go for the big volume targets. If bids are high means other are making money from these targets.
For auto insurance , try car sites like ford.com etc. Generally people who buy new cars don't have insurance , so pop them a lander showing how much they can save by using your offer. Also make it geotargetted + make it exclusive. For ex. "Ford Visitor , we have found this exclusive offer for you etc etc".
There are a lot of angles you can do. Just make sure to split test insurance offers. It's really hard to find a good converting one ( and don't be fooled by the payout! )

02-10-2011 09:02 PM #14 jroes57 (Member)

@bbrock32

The target is showing conversions and a very high conversion rate from the lp to the offer, but the problem is I can't get the CTR above 3%, so I am asking how many LPs do you go through trying to find one that works? Also it is a pretty big target with lots of volume.

02-10-2011 09:07 PM #15 bbrock32 (Administrator)

Hmm , if the target shows promise I'll go to 5-6 landers or even more.
Have you tried adding audio , social proof images and things like that?
If you feel comfortable you can pm me your page so I can give suggestions.

02-10-2011 09:27 PM #16 jroes57 (Member)

You have been PMed, thank you for the assistance

02-10-2011 10:47 PM #17 sqallpl (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by bbrock32 View Post
At AdOn you see a huge ctr because they have some junk/robot traffic. I had a few landers with them showing a 70% ctr , which is impossible with PPV (and I was doing RON!!! ).
I installed analytics on that lp and found the after they clicked they had a 90% bounce rate.

The trick with AdOn is tracking partner ids. This way you can exclude the junk traffic.
LI in my experience has only human visitors , that's why the lower ctr.
Split test your landing pages / page elements to increase the CTR.
If you need help how to split test specific landing page elements with p202 let me know.
That probably the reason of my 50-60% CTR on some landers. Good to know that.
I know about partner IDs and Im monitoring this.

If you need help how to split test specific landing page elements with p202 let me know.
I'm using CPVLab for tracking. Usually I'm doing a lot of different landers only, If I see consistent conversions. Testing a lot of landing pages is probably one of the funniest thing in this job

02-10-2011 10:50 PM #18 jroes57 (Member)

Lesson one learned here, dont trust the Popup preview tools, I did and then I saw my ad being popped on my target machine and the CTA was way below the fold. Just a warning

02-10-2011 11:16 PM #19 sqallpl (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jroes57 View Post
Lesson one learned here, dont trust the Popup preview tools, I did and then I saw my ad being popped on my target machine and the CTA was way below the fold. Just a warning
I'm always testing my LP's in different browsers. Taking screenshots from all browsers and matching it to the 775x400 (Lead Impact). From my experience IE and Chrome has always a little more spacing between elements, so the LP is bigger.

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