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10-03-2012 09:05 PM #1 fjk87 (Veteran Member)
Gambling Guide - is there interest ?

After talking to some guys at the meetup in Amsterdam about gambling offers, seemed like some guys are interested in running gambling. Obviously, gambling is way different than the 'average' affiliate offer you can run.

Question therefore is: is there interest for a gambling guide explaining basics about how gambling affiliate programs operate / how they work / how they adjust payouts etc. ?

I'm quite experienced in the gambling niche and would be ready to write um some more detailled infos on the gambling side of affiliate marketing if there's interested. I'd include some 'insides' from the operator's point of view as I had some gambling stuff running back in past while not being an affiliate.

So, if you would be interested in such a guide, just gimme some reply. If there's some interest I gonna write up some introductionary post up for those of you willing to start with gambling Lemme know

*** Here's the actual post for the guide. I'll try to finish up as soon as possible. Any questions, feel free to post them in the other thread ***


10-03-2012 09:09 PM #2 groomez (Veteran Member)

uh.. oh yes please


10-03-2012 09:20 PM #3 keepitsimple (Member)

100% interested, especially with how you even get started, i.e., where to buy traffic etc (without outing all of your internal campaigns obviously - just looking for a general idea of where to get started)


10-03-2012 09:40 PM #4 chiefsurf (Member)

i am interested also..


10-03-2012 09:45 PM #5 fauxrillz (Member)

Write it up! Very interested!


10-03-2012 10:04 PM #6 htgred (Member)

Would love to see your guide. Thanks!


10-03-2012 10:33 PM #7 mediahacker (Member)

Yep lets have it.


10-03-2012 10:33 PM #8 paulm (Member)

More info on the gambling verticle would be great.


10-04-2012 12:16 AM #9 usernameistaken (Member)

Bring it on !!


10-04-2012 01:50 AM #10 brianb (Member)

Yes please!


10-04-2012 01:54 AM #11 ackbar22000 (Member)

For Sure ! Interested !


10-04-2012 02:16 AM #12 gamer2x (Member)

yes for sure.


10-04-2012 03:24 AM #13 wyffgoal (Member)

Another super lucrative niche after adult.. Absolutely yes!


10-04-2012 06:32 AM #14 tap1on (Member)

would be freakiN^ awesome


10-04-2012 07:16 AM #15 epicskillz (Senior Member)

Am I interested?

Hmm..

Let me think.

Hmm..

Oh well.

YES PLEASE!!


10-04-2012 07:27 AM #16 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Ok seems there's definately interest. I'll start with my writing today, not sure if it's gonna be a 1 part series or maybe a couple of posts would look better. Obviously there are a lot of aspects to cover and I'll try to give you a comprehensive overview of what I know / have experienced.

For those interested, if there are any questions you'd like to get covered, feel free to post them in this thread and I'll take notes to make sure to include them.


10-04-2012 12:18 PM #17 gamer2x (Member)

here are some of the topics which i would like to see(some of them might be too basic):
Difference In Gambling AM and normal.
Country specific laws if any.general interpretation.
Various earning models in Gambling AM.
A rough estimate of capital required:is it same as normal AM or greater.
Traffic networks in general.


10-04-2012 12:33 PM #18 Connaissance (Member)

Looking forward to it!


10-04-2012 02:07 PM #19 Philwil (Member)

I see loads of them being promoted on FB for the targeted country I live in which is the Netherlands, wonder if there is profit to be made there. Or best english spoken countries?


10-04-2012 02:25 PM #20 stackman (Administrator)

Would love to see this! gambling is a huge powerful niche that CPA affiliates overlook


10-04-2012 03:01 PM #21 kvakzzz (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stackman View Post
Would love to see this! gambling is a huge powerful niche that CPA affiliates overlook
gambling is a pain in the ass. gambling affiliate programs are light years behind what hasoffers.com offers by default. You can't track by subid, you can't place pixel, 80% of gambling affiliate programs don't even show referrer. In other words - tracking is nightmare. I think only SEO guys win in promoting gambling

imho those ads the guy from Netherlands sees are internal media buys from a gaming house.


10-04-2012 03:04 PM #22 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by kvakzzz View Post
gambling is a pain in the ass. gambling affiliate programs are light years behind what hasoffers.com offers by default. You can't track by subid, you can't place pixel, 80% of gambling affiliate programs don't even show referrer. In other words - tracking is nightmare. I think only SEO guys win in promoting gambling

imho those ads the guy from Netherlands sees are internal media buys from a gaming house.
Don't wanna sound rude, but your requirements for running gambling are completely different than what you ask for in dating / beauty etc. That's one reason to run with certain programs that have a solid rep to avoid any problems.

If you think only SEO guys win in gambling, you'd be surprised about the guys running 40-50 players a day at $150++ CPAs through paid

When sending gambling traffic, it's important to track channels, not sub id's. Whole traffic stuff about gambling is completely different as you don't focus on a sale - but on players depositing and playing over and over. You cannot compare a buy product to gambling at all.


10-04-2012 03:19 PM #23 kvakzzz (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fjk87 View Post
Don't wanna sound rude, but your requirements for running gambling are completely different than what you ask for in dating / beauty etc. That's one reason to run with certain programs that have a solid rep to avoid any problems.
Referback, BrightShare, Main street affiliates, fortune affiliates, c-planet -- in my humble opinion suck dick. may be you adore them, but I believe, we are here to share experiences and opinions.

If you think only SEO guys win in gambling, you'd be surprised about the guys running 40-50 players a day at $150++ CPAs through paid
I've seen that proverbial "someone" doing what I thought was impossible to do so many times, so now I am sure in only one thing - I'm not sure in anything. So - NO - I don't think only SEO guys win in gambling.

When sending gambling traffic, it's important to track channels, not sub id's. Whole traffic stuff about gambling is completely different as you don't focus on a sale - but on players depositing and playing over and over. You cannot compare a buy product to gambling at all.
Now I don't want to sound rude or anything but I just have to say your comment about channels isn't helping at all. I'd compare that comment above to saying something like "You should always check your robots.txt before running any paid traffic campaigns"
What channels are you talking about? Channels is a sense that ad networks use to classify their publishers? Or, channels as a sort of tracking gambling affiliate networks offer?

And - yes - I have no doubts whatsoever that there is someone smart out there who figured out tracking and succeeded where others failed.


10-04-2012 03:36 PM #24 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

You can create as many channels as you want in most the trackers. Thereby, a reasonable tracking is pretty much possible. It takes some setup but it's easily doable. I'd love to hear how you want to include a pixel whereas the only important action is a deposit which in no case must be done through the website at all. A registration doesn't bring you anything in gambling. You want deposit and/or turnover.

Moreover, 'channels' are used in most of the casino trackers and in the end are just identifying the click source. Like for example on a website you can create a seperated channel for every signup button to track which gets clicked most / converts best. Basically you can set up a seperated channel for any possibility a user can click on.

The programs you mentioned have maybe 1-2 well known casinos in them, but in general are completely trash, I agree. Like I said before, Europe is where the money is at in gambling and no brand of the programs you quoted are even close to be market leaders. If you tried with them I can fully understand you didn't get it working to be honest. Given the problems running gambling offers for US crowd and the trashy players value compared to Europe, it's much smarter to focus on Europe in gambling.

By the way I don't adore any program. I just respect programs that seem to be legit and offer a good possibility to make money with them. From your post it sounds like you had a pretty hard time running gambling offers, so hopefully you're opinion will switch in future.

Have you ever thought about the reason why it's a pain in the ass? Probably because of the earning potential there. If they seem to be years behind, you should think if they really need all the features included in hasoffers etc.


10-04-2012 03:49 PM #25 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Started a first post as kind of an introduction here. I'll try to update the remaining posts asap.

Again, this 'guide' is more an introduction and explaining how things work in gambling. I won't provide any tracking solutions to the problems mentioned above by kvakzzz as they are simply part of gambling affiliates right now. Like I said, in my opinion you don't need a tracking as accurate as for dating offers for example in gambling as the whole system is pretty much different.

Feel free to ask / add anything in the other post I'll try to answer as good as possible


10-04-2012 03:54 PM #26 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by philwilrgm View Post
I see loads of them being promoted on FB for the targeted country I live in which is the Netherlands, wonder if there is profit to be made there. Or best english spoken countries?
Western Europe is among the most valuable markets for gambling. Therefore, a lot of profit to be made in Netherlands as well, although volume will be significant smaller compared to UK / Germany.


10-04-2012 04:05 PM #27 bseo (Member)

So what sort of approach do have most success with while promoting gambling sites? I know you mentioned about ‘casino guides’ and i know there are also loads of make money paying roulette,blackjack etc guides. Is this where you had most success or do you direct link?


10-04-2012 04:09 PM #28 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by bseo View Post
So what sort of approach do have most success with while promoting gambling sites? I know you mentioned about ‘casino guides’ and i know there are also loads of make money paying roulette,blackjack etc guides. Is this where you had most success or do you direct link?
Both approaches you mentioned can work and do work. Personally I focus on 'real' casino traffic as the quality is way superior to make money etc. I will cover this in the guide linked above in the 4th post as well and try to include some infos about how different these different angles actually are and why the easiest solution isn't always the one offering the best reward


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