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Opportunity for your own niche are all around (need help to get started) (16)

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Creativity is something I really like, I love to create new things that help people and this is something I would like to start focusing on. The main reason is because there is less competition and at the end of the days I would feel more grateful and happy about what I'm doing.

I have been doing AM for 4 months now and I'm doing about 1.3k profit a day and yes many of you will say this is nice money but in the industry that I'm mainly advertising ... people rip campaigns and scale to places where you haven't scaled yet and make very nice money from your hard work and long testing process ...

I rather deal with customer - marchand or other stuff than dealing with the fact that you are being rip for every move you make.

I will still continue working on this niche because I'm successful in it but I would like to start my own product - service in a no competitive niche.

The problem is I don't know where to start. I know it's not a reason to not start but I would like to have some tips from people that have done it a few times.

I know once I have found my market I need to find my product or service and than from that point I'm building my website and setting up everything and than let say I want to USE seo as a part of my marketing PLAN.

I know nothing about SEO and from what everybody says it's very scary and I don't know where to start from that.

So mainly I know how to market my ideas through paid traffic but from SEO I would like to have some tips and also some tips overall the process.

Thanks!

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Don't focus too much on SEO. Just trust me on this. I have been in that field since early Google days and my prediction is that SEO is moving so much towards social signals that in the future it's going to be really hard or next to impossible to "SEO" your way to the top. Mastering social media marketing is way more important. I've had at least 5 products of my own and the best advice I can give you is that build a list BEFORE you launch the product. Your job will be so much easier when you can just email bunch of interested people that it's out.

My honest opinion is that knowing paid advertising is such a huge advantage when you start with your own product. Most people first come up with the product and then start to learn marketing. The problem with that model is that you don't have ready-made landers, offers and backend systems to practice with like you do with affiliate marketing.

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2nd this.

SEO is not worth the time & hassle to keep up with yourself. If anything outsource it (but don't spend too much) or just hope you rank naturally over time. It's constantly changing and there's no one who can tell you "how to rank" sites because its different for every SERP and what works today probably wont work a month or two from now. Also if you mess something up often you'll find your domain gets penalized and you have to start over on a new one which isn't ideal for building a brand. I'd say to make a product/service and run paid traffic to that. Then if someone want's to rip you it's a lot harder than just copying a landing page and ads.

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First off, 1.3K a day is bad ass!!! Congrats on that! I hope to be there soon.

I agree with the above 2 posts. Every time a major Google algo update is released, countless sites go the the Google graveyard to die. On top of that, the amount of volume you can expect even ranking for top keywords is minuscule compared to paid traffic sources. The reason I'm here learning about paid traffic is because I'm sick of being Google's bitch. And it'll only get harder. Try to fake a large legitimate social media following, much harder than link spamming.

You sound like you want to create a quality product/service that helps people. This will give you many of the backlinks, social signals, and brand recognition that will be necessary in the near future. Seo is about faking these things. But in your case, it sounds like you won't have to. If you have any specific questions though, feel free to PM me.

Good luck!

R.I.P. ALN lol...

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I'll second the comments above - forget about SEO, it's a fool's errand at this point, especially if you have to start learning it today. Forget about it. You don't even need it. You have the skills to push paid traffic, and with your own offer you can tweak everything from landers to price points to back end. Paid traffic is much faster and more scalable to get you results, and you are not at the mercy of a change in Google's algorithm that will kill your income overnight.

Re: doing your own product, plenty of people have been successful doing it. But most (including myself) underestimate how long it takes to
(1) develop a product that converts and
(2) how much resources (time and money) it takes to keep an actual business going.

I've tried to do my own offer in the last few months and in hindsight it would probably have been more profitable to launch loads of campaigns instead

I can't say it more eloquently than fellow member Profitable did in a recent post:

(Source: http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ys-the-hardest)

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I definitely have to agree with Profitable on this one. But, if you want to build out an entire business your method seems quite sound.

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I read Profitable's post when it was originally posted and I still think he is looking at that all wrong. The guy created A BUSINESS instead of CAMPAIGN. The difference is that CAMPAIGN is dependable on the merchant. Offer goes away, you'll have to find another successful offer. When Profitable's campaign offer gets pulled, he might find a replacement, or not. Either way, he is depending on an asset he can't control - this is also known in a certain circles as an employment. I agree that being affiliate is a great way to earn lots of money but I would never base my life on it. The problem is that you don't OWN anything. To quote DeMarco, owning shit is the key to legendary money - affiliates earn good to great money. Of course smart affiliate builds a list which is an asset. At that point you are not affiliate anymore, that list becomes your business. Sooner or later you will grow tired of hunting new offers to replace old ones and you are always competing against other affiliates. As a product owner you can modify your offering so that you are the only one in the market. If you get this right, you're made - the best known example of this is Apple and their "third category between smart phones and laptop" offering.

I'm currently using affiliate marketing to raise money for my next venture. Way easier than grinding your way up with $0 bootstrapping or losing equity to venture capital.

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I agree with both point of view but as Qhead says ... the guy created a BUSINESS and this is what I'm looking for long term.

IE: I'm sure everybody as heard of the magic of making up (from travis) this ebook has been out for a while and it will always run unless he doesn't upgrade or tweak it with the time.
I mean there will always be person looking to get their ex back because love and broken heart will always be present in human life...

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SEO is way too slow to actually make money with affiliate marketing, especially considering you're going to be fighting all the blackhatters that just take whatever ranks they want (lol)

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Before investing a lot of time in creating the business i recommend:

1) read the millionaire fastlane - especially the section about choosing your business/market
2) read up on the lean startup movement

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DeMarco doesn't get it. He got lucky and now sitting on a pile of cash.. possibly powerless (he sounds like a fag) and afraid to do anything so he teaches.

It's not about owning stuff but the amount of control you have. While a product owner may "own" many things it doesn't necessary translate to more control (realized freedom). And all that talk about dependency is completely irrelevant (bullshit). Everyone is dependent on another entity of some kind. You may think you're at the top of the food chain, but if affiliates go elsewhere or God, the government, your own subconscious or whatever pisses on you, you're out of luck still.

By the way, I'd rather own a traffic source than a bunch of products. And that's only after running a successful affiliate business. Being an affiliate provides the ultimate mobility and freedom. You choose what to run, where to run. Owning the proper mindset, a specific skill set (automated and unconscious processes) that cannot be taken away and you can reuse over and over again in all kind of different scenarios is far more important than "owning real stuff".

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Not to be rude but it's you who don't get it. Have you even read/listened the book? Your comments say you haven't.

It's not about owning a bunch of products, it's about owning business assets. You do understand that as an affiliate you are basically employed by the product owner to promote their product? If you are at the mercy of affiliates or government, you are doing it wrong as a business owner. By the way, being affiliate somehow prevents God, the government, your own subconscious or whatever pissing on you? Are you trolling mate?

Sorry but as an affiliate you can't "own" a traffic source. You can only own the traffic source if you own the business behind that traffic. And oh my god, then you own a product - watch out the piss of God.

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Who said anything about affiliates owning a traffic source? It's irrelevant anyway. Point me to one product owner who isn't an affiliate themselves. I'm a product owner too. You clearly don't understand the true meaning of being an affiliate.

You may say I'm sort of in a trolling mode and I admit that. I also haven't read the book. But I watched a few of his videos and that was my impression.

So what? That does not prevent me from picking another vendor. I choose what products to promote and if I choose not to promote his stuff, that was it, he does not exist in my happy little universe. Not to mention, he's in a far worse position than me. To begin with, he's an employee of many entities as well, maybe unknowingly and called by other names. That makes us equal. But his obligations and responsibilities are far more in number.

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Really?
Haha. Yeah, let me guess.. you are "partner" to the companies you promote?

"he sounds like a fag" gives me an impression that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed...

Sorry but the merchant doesn't give a shit if he doesn't exist in your happy little universe. NEXT!

You obviously don't understand even the basic concepts of business. I don't have time for this. I doubt you will but go read Personal MBA and let's talk again when you have even a vague idea of what you are talking about.

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Thanks for all your time and insights. Clearly, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

My only problem is that you keep mixing and matching my posts to stuff I didn't mean to say.
You might have some problem with perceiving reality as is...

Seriously, did you produce all this spasms just because I called your hero a "fag"? lol

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Yep, laverdureshow if you're looking to build a sustainable startup I recommend http://www.amazon.com/The-Startup-Ow...8768782&sr=8-1

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