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PPV Rage (24)

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Cut bad targets

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What if leadimpact's adware was able to steal clicks and redirect visitors toward different landing pages ?

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maybe someone is popping your domain.

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done
also changed subdomain
but i have the same issue:

When i re-activate a LI campaign, in the first 10 minutes i have 25% CTR and few conversions, then 0 / 1% CTR until i decide to stop the traffic again.

Seems like my landing page at first is shown to a bunch of brand-new LI users (high quality traffic) then to old and boiled LI users

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did you figure this one out?

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Not yet;

1st test
I've created some 700*400 landing pages (due to this thread) but the CTR was lower than the window.screen.width*window.screen.height LPs (I use a resize JS)

2nd test
One thing that I've find out is that often I get a visit on the P202's spy page 2 or 3 or even more seconds before i see my popup.
I'm not talking about the page loading time / hosting response time here, but i mean that the LI adware "preload" the LI customers' URLs when the user triggers a popup visiting a target URL/keyword, but the LI adware shows it when the hell it wants (for example on a irrelevant page)

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I believe this could be your server, if you're targeting really high volume sites you may get decent CTR before you start getting loads of traffic and your server slows down.

Just my opinion.

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I'm using the same VPS (Hybrid VPS - Hybrid - Starter @ beyondhosting) for tracking and LPs, but atm I'm sending only 3000 visitors / day (PPC + PPV)

Do you think i should reduce the load on the CPU anyway ?

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lololololol

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oK i find some other targets that are bringing almost the double of the original CTR, so probably what i thought were good target to test with different LPs now are just bad targets to cut, thanks

also i found the LP with "CDN-less" images to have a better CTR (+0.8% after 500 impressions)

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just remember not to get too hung up on CTR as the overall Conversion Rate is more important.

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For example:
Take a look to these 2 images, it's the exact same campaign (same targets and landing page).

The first image is taken as soon I've unpaused the campaign one hour ago (2:14 PDT), the second one about 30 minutes later. Spot the differences if you can.. lol

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Yep this is correct with the latest versions of the adware

it actually fades the window in after it has fully loaded the page. It also cancels right click, and strips some JS to max screen i think.

the way to test if they are "stealing" impressions/clicks is to setup a random domain name or URL and then self target your campaign. Then do some spying and see what happens.

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Something else maybe up. CPU load is too high.

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This new adware (their own App for the popup - not standard IE as Tijn pointed out here) is pretty scaring.

Basically they're rewriting the html code of the page, this is no good.

Probably they are already logging/saving all the real destination URLs. (no more easy cloaking / bait and switch ?)
They can even change the publisher ID inside adsense javascripts (but that would be a suicide).

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I didn't think you can use adsense on pop ups? something gay about it in their TOS if memory serves me correctly.

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I think you're right, probably if i create a bunch of shitty posts in a wordpress blog i get quickly banned due to my "Made For Adsense" website, but i have a legit / established website that already has thousands of daily visits I don't think you'll lost your account. But if we start talking about google TOS we need a cabalist..

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GAN will detect your PPV traffic whether LI, TV, MT, DCPV, etc etc algorithmically, so it doesn't even matter if you try to blend legit traffic with it or not. Within 2-3 days of popping any more than give or take 5-10 pops on pages with GAN code, you will be banned. A large part of their business model is based on preventing the arbitrage of clicks and click fraud, and so those dirty UA's, re-written adware etc are a joke for Google's dedicated anti-fraud team to find algorithmically

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For each visitor there's a batch of actions the server performs:

1st redirect from cloaker to P202
2nd redirect from P202 to real PHP page
the PHP page:
- drops a cookie
- if visitor is a "returning visit" redirects visitor to another page
- if browser is not IE, redirects visitor to another page
- if a P202 subid is not passed, redirects visitor to another page
- else shows the real landing page

but it's a VPS Hybrid - Starter @ beyondhosting, i thought it could cope with this little work

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I have CPV Lab wrapped in a similar setup + I forge the outgoing traffic too. Same VPS package. Had no problems with CPU load when I was spending $500 day on LI. I'd eliminate one component (e.g. p202, cloaker) a time to find the culprit. It's probably the cloaker's database.

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Thank you for your help, BTW my cloaker is on another server (my server sends API requests to a different machine), so there are not many CPU cycles involved in that task

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Well just make sure spam isn't being sent from your box. Those load averages are not normal.

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Now I'm sure my VPS it's not overloaded, and that the reason of the decreasing CTR isn't the CPU

Guys you too should look again at that CPU graph.. The average load is the green line not the blue line.

Thank you pain2k for pointing me in the right direction.

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