Account Scammer, should I out him? (58)
So I've gotten scammed for nearly $8k by an account seller, someone noteworthy in AM (who everyone knows/should know).
Should I out him here? Might help the community from dealing with him in the future, and would ruin his rep for sure--which he clearly doesn't care about if he's willing to scam for ~$8k.
His name is Brandon Clark.
Yes out his ass. Sorry to hear about that experience. Everyones worst nightmare
def. out his ass man. scammers deserve to be outed shit
Originally Posted by mraffiliate
Then boom, last night he decides to change the PW, and claims FB changed it because the account was traced to multiple IP's...(LOL clearly lying). Sends me a bogus e-mail.
Clearly he decides to take the account back when he finds out that FB isn't handing em out like they were before.
definitely out him if you're 100% sure that he is trying to scam you!
Originally Posted by nusolutionz
Hopefully he's not on this forum.
Just be careful that if you do call someone a scammer for sure that they really have done wrong.
Give it a few days from when the deal was supposed to go down and if he doesn't do as he promised, warn us all.
EDIT: and if he chooses to help you only after you've said something to him re: telling everyone on this forum, tell us his name anyway. 
ooo i wanna know who it is :P
Just state the facts.
Ouch. I guess some folks really are low on money.
definitely give us his name, its seems like he is not able to deliver and (maybe) hopes that you will go away.
I'm hearing that he's scammed multiple other people, does shady shit. Really inclined to out him soon.
Originally Posted by navuud
Just be sure man... I say out him if you are 100% sure he is scamming you.
out his name to stop the nonsense
STM Drama, love this stuff
Where's my popcorn, this shit is too good. Sorry to hear that you're getting jerked around by this guy, but high drama on the STM is where its at tonight. I say out him if he doesn't make it right.
Spilllllllll it!!!
Hahahaha ^
^ maynzie, I know if there is a like button you would have liked it already just like me.. haha
popcorns getting cold.. cmon
we are being trolled!
Yeah. Either shit or get off the pot.
I have to wait and make sure, I can't taint someone's reputation unless I'm absolutely sure. Though at this point I don't think I'll get my money back or the equivalent in accounts.
how many accounts does he have to deliver ?
Originally Posted by dario
Since the mods are friends with him and have talked to him about the situation, it should be easy to get him in here to clear everything up.
Originally Posted by extremesg
Bottom line is Navuud deserves his money back. I don't even need to hear Brandon's side of the story, Navuud paid for something that was never given to him. It's also telling that Brandon wouldn't come here to defend himself, as owner of CPVLab (a subscription I just cancelled after reading this btw) he has A LOT to lose by a tainted reputation. The reason he's not on here defending himself is that he doesn't have a leg to stand on and he knows it.
FB doesn't change passwords of suspicious accounts, that just doesn't happen, everyone reading this who deals with multiple FB accounts knows they just disable them when anything is suspicious, end of story. The whole change PW thing makes the situation clear as day to me... Brandon is full of shit.
Just to make this clear, we aren't friends or supporting any of the parties involved. Will try to get Brandon an account to solve this asap. Drama doesnt make money for anyone.
Originally Posted by Herd Burglar
Even if that happened, he shouldn't have lost control of the email address the password recovery was tied to. They both should have had that on point, but that was primarily his responsibility IMO, cause it was still under his control.
Originally Posted by bbrock32
As of this point I'm hands off I don't wanna be involved in any way this is the last i'm posting in this thread.
Send Stewie after him.
But in all seriousness, OP should at least get his 5k back.
And why on earth would FB go through the trouble to change the password? They can lock you out with a click of a mouse.
Originally Posted by 403flux
Yeh Stewie doesnt joke around with anyone:
What I don't get is that people are unsubscribing to CPVlab over a thread that they have no ties to at all. Over just pure speculation and a bunch of "he said she said". A lot of you dont know the whole story, so take a chill pill/laxative for a bit. Just got off the phone with Brandon and I'll just say to pop some more popcorn and reload your animated gifs.
Brandon isn't the owner of CPV Lab. There is one sole owner and it is Robert. He had absolutely nothing to do with this. I understand the sentiment but it makes no sense to take it CPV Lab.
I’m a little disappointed that so many people on this forum (many that I’ve actually worked with) would be so quick to jump to conclusions and piggy back on an attack that is a total lie. Most everyone here should be familiar enough with this space, fb, and how accounts work – I shouldn’t even have to jump in to explain the details.
That being said, I have and will continue to do business with many of you, so I would hate to only have one side of a story out there for people to judge. The attacks also involve my company and my business partner, so now that the work week has ended and I’ve had a chance to read the entire thread, I’d be happy to jump in and say a few things to clear things up.
1. Here’s the situation, plain and simple: An inexperienced kid locks himself out of a facebook account he was already using without issue, and wants me to clean up his mess. I might have actually helped him out if he hadn’t attempted to completely drag my name through the mud in an industry where most business is conducted through word of mouth and referrals. It’s a little hard to want to continue to work with someone who does a google search for one of the most common names in America and posts the criminal record of a guy that’s 3 inches shorter and 100 pounds lighter than I am.
(It’s also kind of funny that he changes his own mind about what happened with the wind. One minute I’m a scammer, the next minute while he’s blasting me online he’s texting me trying to meet at adtech to do more business. A few minutes later, I’m a scammer again? Maybe he should make up his mind before getting himself locked out of his accounts for using the SAME IP for more than 1 account that was previously banned and blaming me) I have screenshots of texts from Shaun, admitting it’s his bad that I’ve sent to the forum admins. I also attached it to the post, time stamps and all. How big of a scam could this be, if he's apologizing for it?
2. I know many of you. I make regular appearances at every conference from Adtech NY, SF, London… to ASW and ASE to leadscon etc etc etc. I have long standing relationships and friendships with so many advertisers and traffic sources, why would I risk any of that for almost nothing?
3. Not many people that run a B2B company with a steady cash flow would jeopardize any of that (or have the need to) for $8K
4. I also have steady access to facebook accounts , and an even more steady demand to buy them—I’m pretty sure there is no need to try to “steal” an account from anyone.
5. Basically, this isn't any different than if Shaun were to have bought my iphone off of me, broke the screen because he threw the phone at the wall, and then asked me for a refund.
Now you have the facts and you can make a decision for yourself. If you know me or you’ve worked with me, then I’m sure this wasn’t even needed. But I hope it helps for others who were asking for an explanation.
Last thing, a few people suggested a refund. If I cannot deliver something that’s promised, I am the first person to refund a prepay. Again, most of the work I do is with prepaying customers—not something I am prepared to risk to scam someone out of one account.
We all know there is a risk associated with running traffic on facebook. I’m sorry that this kid’s account was slapped, but that isn’t because of anything I did. I may have even been open to coming up with a solution to help him out somehow – but all that went out the window when I heard about the lies being spread.
Great job spinning the whole situation Brandon, can't say I would expect you to tell the truth. I'm sure the people here can judge for themselves.
I apologized for the contents of the other thread (which had FB info, etc.) because I don't want to engage in any back and forth, physical confrontation that you implied you were seeking when you sent those threats. I love the way you spin it such that others think that I'm apologizing for you scamming me. No, I don't apologize for that. I was going to leave it at this thread and cut my losses, but I don't apologize for you scamming me.
As far as the "I'll hit ya up at ad tech" is mentioned, I was simply offering an exchange of peace to meet and talk with you, like you did a day earlier (pic below) in your efforts to try to calm me down. I was doing the same. That doesn't mean I'm trying to do business with you (LOL, is anyone dumb enough to believe this).
2. Let me address how/why the account was locked.
Your E-mail Editing Mistake:
Surely you didn't see your mistake and I didn't mention this before, but I'll pull the card now. You sent two e-mails to me (as Mr Green has also posted). The e-mail by Nealy Whisler, which is supposed to remain the same if you're quoting it, is different?
IP
Reason why the account was locked:
After exchanging texts/calls with you and it was clear that you weren't going to give me the account back, or the equivalent in money, I decided to lock the account to render it useless for you (as I've stated multiple times in this thread). I wasn't going to let you get away with my money + a useable $5k limit account.
(You can lock accounts with old passwords. FB then requires you to submit identification to match the name/business name on file)
Fact of the matter is this:
I lost control of the account because you changed the password, not because it was locked. It was locked after I had lost all hope of getting the account back from you.
3. Bumping account vs. Giving a new account
I don't know for sure if you have multiple accounts on a daily basis, but if you're willing to scam me for a $5k, I highly doubt you have a steady access to multiple accounts nowadays.
4. Your reputation
Your reputation, but moreso your position as a lead member at CPVlab was the reason why I trusted you. Clearly I was wrong.
Anyone with doubts about my story should ask themselves if Facebook would ever change anyone's password without their consent. No. They would suspend the account.
Also, Brandon mentioned on the phone an hour ago that he's lost 1400 subscribers to CPVlab because of this thread? Exaggerated a bit, Brandon?
In any case, I wanted to clarify to the users here that CPVlab didn't affect/scam me. Brandon Clark, a person who works for CPVlab, did.
I haven't accused CPVlab of anything. Take with that what you will.
In any case, my $7.5k is gone not because of any actions by Facebook, but because Brandon wanted the account back to resell it to make more money.
Originally Posted by navuud
Originally Posted by ibanez
Nice catch ibanez! Bahahaahaha
I'm not one for "censorship" but this thread is getting ugly and I don't feel like there's anything that can be resolved here by fighting out a private conflict in a public domain. Brandon has had his say, and I'm glad he has because it has really brought the 2nd side to this story.
It's an unfortunate circumstance for both parties, but can we please nip this in the bud??? Aside from its damaging content, this thread is really distracting!
Originally Posted by richardj
Originally Posted by ibanez
Frankly, Brandon's "defense" was basically telling people that he was telling the truth combined with an iphone screenshot where the guy obviously apologized for the personal attacks but nothing else.
He didn't address what many people have brought up: Facebook simply disable your account if they want to ban you. I have never had anything to do with a lost password happen EVER in the 10 or so accounts I've lost, and I've never heard of it happening to anyone else either.
I've never had dealings with either person involved in this conflict, but I must say the OP is looking like he definitely has a stronger case here.
And now Brandon said he wants to sue me for costing CPVlab their subscribers because of this thread. Can someone tell me where I went wrong by exposing a scammer? Completely ridiculous.
This thread is such a fucking mess. Here's timeline of what Navuud claims to have taken place.
1. Navuud purchased a 2.5k account from Brandon and all was good.
2. Then, Navuud prepaid him 5k for another account. Brandon stalled for 2 weeks and couldn't deliver.
3. Brandon promises to bump the 2.5k account to 10k in exchange for not delivering the 5k account, so Navuud gives him the login details.
4. Brandon successfully gets it bumped to 5k (not the 10k he promised). Navuud attempts to login on the 13th and sees the password has been changed.
5. Brandon doesn't admit to changing the password, instead he forwards Navuud a forged email (which is proven above) from an FB Rep saying they changed the password because he accessed the account from multiple ip addresses.
6. Navuud realizes Brandon has taken back the account and enters the old password numerous times to lock Brandon out.
Notice that Brandon didn't bother to dispute any of these points.
Brandon's post, in short, says:
"He's a noob. I'm legit. So, trust me."
It doesn't make Brandon wrong. It just doesn't clear anything up.
LOL @ Going to court over this. What do you plan on telling the judge? This guy defiled your company's name because he accused you of not delivering a product that you shouldn't have been selling in the first place?
You guys are gonna bring unwanted attention to FB accounts being sold on the secondary market and ruin the party for everyone. Then you can both have fun with FB's lawyers for violating their TOS.
OP case is defiantly stronger after Brandon's response.
Refund money or deliver 10k account. Lock/close thread.
Done
i'm eager to see Brandon explains the forged / edited email... If this is the case, and if it's true, he doesn't has to explain for anything else, 1 is enough
Originally Posted by 403flux
Originally Posted by 403flux
This thread is now closed.
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