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Hi all I have decided to start this follow along to accelerate my learning as I am new in the affiliate marketing space.

I have had some success in dropshipping in the past and some nice profits but failed after my ads and product pages were copied. I switched over to print on demand and failed which also took all of my profits from dropshipping.

I am currently following the 40 day pop tutorial however my first camp with Propellerads was rejected. I have attached the pictures of the reason for rejection and also the offer page. The offer looks compliant to me so I dont understand the reason for the rejection. I am thinking should I run the offers on Popads instead.





Zhirong

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The offer itself is non compliant to propeller's TOS

You can run the same offer flow with different offer pages

When I ran this type of offer the "CAPTCHA" style offer pages worked well

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Thanks have started a camp on propellerads with captcha offers.

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It says "You may have won", usually such wording should work.

It's probably the part with "delivery code".

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My thoughts exactly. "You may have won" and "you can stand to win" are non-committal so should be fine.

"Delivery code" isn't meant to be deceptive either. I'm guessing the propellerads reviewer may have misunderstood - they may have associated your ad with those "your iphone is waiting for you at the post office" ads. The word "delivery" may have thrown them off.

I would suggest to resubmit after a few hours in hopes that another reviewer would approve it. If that doesn't work, I'll run it by my contacts at Propeller.



Amy


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Thanks twinaxe and amy really appreciate the response to help newbies like me. I have ran my first camp on propellerads however I noticed that my campaign cost does not tally with the cost of the campaign in Propellerads and I can't figure out what went wrong. Also when checking the impressions from traffic source to the tracker should I compare the clicks in Binom vs the impressions in the traffic source since we are direct linking and there is no CTR.

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Yes, for pops you pay for impression on Propeller and Binom registers these as "Clicks" regardless of using a lander or not.

In Binom "LP Clicks" show the number of people that clicked on your lander. This number is only a fraction of the Binom "Clicks", because not everybody clicks your lander.

In other words Binom "Clicks" = total incoming clicks/impressions. "LP Clicks" = number of clicks that reached your offer when you are using a landing page.

There is always some traffic loss involved. For Propeller usually around 20% of the clicks get lost. This number also depends on geo. For T1 geos the loss is generally lower than in T3 geos with a rather poor infrastructure.

First thing that you want to do is to look at the total numbers. Select a big time frame like last 7 days even when your camp only ran 1 day. This way you avoid mismatches due to different time zones.

When traffic loss is about 20% then you can just put this value in your traffic source setting in Binom. It will then be applied for all new camps automatically. Put it a bit higher to be on safe side.

When running rather exotic geos you can set a higher traffic loss on camp level. After running a few camps you get an idea about traffic losses for different geos and ad formats.

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Hi larsometer thanks for the confirmation on the clicks and impressions in Binom. Now i am having another issue too the conversions are not showing in my popads report. In Binom there are 11 conversions which is the same as in haka with 1 conversion coming from the propellerads camp. I read about the click loss but the stats in haka seem way different and i guess maybe the click stats there are not impressions.

Also for the propellerads actually i am talking about the campaign spend not tallying with my binom tracker. I spent $17.5 in propellerads but binom only shows $10. I think i might try running another camp on propeller since i have checked everything twice.





Haka stat

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Your click loss seems to be around 25%. So that would explain 25% cost difference in theory.

Binom calculates cost as follows: incoming clicks x cost token x clickloss adjust

When you are bidding smart cpm each zone will have a different average price. So when you lose more clicks from expensive zones than from cheap ones that could explain higher cost difference.

You can download zone stats from both Propeller and Binom and compare them in an xls sheet.

August 15th data is missing completely. Could well be that Haka stats are quite delayed. Maybe check tomorrow again.

Also you will have some traffic loss from Binom to Haka but shouldn't be 50% like it is now indicating.

I would not worry about this too much. It probably is nice to see the conversions in popads. As far as I understood it, popads does not need your conversion data. Is a different story tho when you run cpa or cpa goal camps (like for example on propeller) or use rule based optimization from traffic source. To my knowledge popads has non of these options.

As far as I remember there is info in the 40 day tutorial on how to setup popads on tracker.

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Don´t worry about it yet.

As long as you have the conversions correct in your tracker everything is fine.

You only need to send conversions to the trafficsource when you run campaigns for example on CPA or CPA Goal.

About traffic loss, it can be pretty high, especially when you run pops in low tier geos on carrier traffic.

But when you have such high loss the first thing you should do is to check if it´s campaign wide or if only few big placements have such high loss.

If it´s just a few big placements you can try to reduce the overall loss when you kill the bad placements.

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I ran another camp this time with mobipium and there is also a huge click loss between the affiliate network and tracker. Sorry to ask but I am not sure how to check if the click loss is campaign wide or only a few placements I am using direct link without a landing page.

Binom stats


Popads stats


Mobipium stats

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The difference between Popads and Binom can be normal on pops.

The difference between Binom and Mobipium looks too high, please make sure that you consider the timezone difference as well.

Just drill down campaign stats in tracker to zones

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Hello! We never reject campaigns without an appropriate reason. Please contact our support team via contact.us@propellerads.com so they could check your offer landing page and your creatives. Then they will be able to provide you with the detailed explanations why your campaign was rejected

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Thanks for the tip about timezone differences I will check back at mobipium stats again the next day and give an update. For zones do you mean website id most of the traffic seems to be going to one or two zones only. In the previous camp i target the same geo indonesia and I also get the similar results but with a few conversions. Maybe I should try a different geo?

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Sorry I missed your post. I read in another thread it was due to the delivery code in the landing page so I have excluded offers that have delivery code in my campaigns.

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Indonesia can be very tempting because of the high volume and the cheap traffic but it´s no easy geo.

If you want to run click2call or click2sms in ID better target Telkomsel only.

However, I didn´t see ID much in the IVR top stats for some time so it´s probably better to test a different geo.

Also how many offers did/do you test?

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I tested 5 offers each with equal weight in indonesia. All using direct linking.

5 offers tested on popads

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My clickloss issue to the affiliate network is still present. Still showing a 50% loss from tracker to affiliate network. I ran another camp in popads this time targeting turkey. I got my AM at Haka to check the camp link also and even tested a conversion to verify nothing is wrong.

Popads stats


Binom stats


Haka stats


For my digital ocean server i am using regular instead of premium amd i wonder if that is causing my clickloss issue to the network.

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Your results look actually quite good for Indonesia.

Maybe run the first offer for a little longer if it stays at around -50%. Then chances are high that you either find some good zones or can weed some bigger losing ones.

In other words... there is a chance that you could get it profitable. In case it really becomes profitable you don't have to worry about clickloss no more.

In Binom you can check on the monitor tab (upper right corner) your current server load. Probably it is very low since redirecting does not eat much of the resources.

Processing power you mainly need for heavy data base operations. This can be case when you run a report over several big camps at once or update cost for a big camp.

What you can do is to run a camp in a higher tier geo. Maybe try France (Haka offers can work there). You should experience a way lower clickloss there.

Your setup seems to work totally fine. For direct linking camps there is not much you can do. Story is a bit different when you use landers. But even then you rarely have to think about hardware.

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Check your DNS settings if there is another entry maybe.

High load of redirects alone can bring a server to his knees pretty easy

Yes, some time ago I had a very stable and long running click2sms campaign in FR.

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I think you are right the first offer keeps getting conversions in other geos that i tested too.

Just launched a camp on Propeller targeting France keeping my fingers crossed that the target geo is the reason for the clickloss to the aff network.

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@twinaxe Sorry I am really bad at the technical side of things. I just followed vortex tutorial to setup the domain on namecheap. Nameservers are using Namecheap BasicDNS. I have one A record and one CNAME record. That should mean I have only one DNS entry right?

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Yes setting looks correct.

Once you are using landers you might want to use Cloudflare as your DNS and CDN.

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