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Could use some help with this problem... (37)

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Hey Guys,
I launched a bunch more campaigns for my follow along, but woke up this morning to this:



That's my LP domain. Not sure why GSB decided this. I know I can just grab a new LP domain and keep going but I would like to know how to avoid this. A few answers I can give prior to questions.

1. All my campaign funnel through the same inbound folder like this: https://hotclubdeals.com/win/in/ which then tacks on the campaign information parameters. Saves me from having to place the direct link into propellerads and masks the tracking domain. Could it be this? All traffic funneling though this. (maybe this protected the tracker from GSB)

2. I've only ran about $450 worth of traffic through it.

3. I only ran 3 pages, survey giftbox and spinwheel with no logo usage of FB, Google, etc.

4. My outgoing clicks all go though https://hotclubdeals.com/win/out/ which has the offer click redirect. Masks the tracker click link. Also made campaign building a lot easier. Could it be this?

5. I ran a pop campaign last night first time, and had JS alerts when the page opens. Maybe this?

6. Other change I made recently as in yesterday was I made my pages dynamic. Meaning if you send, ?pro=iphn then everything changes to iPhone. Samsung, gift vouchers, etc all dynamic to same pages.

7. Pages don't take any information or have back button JS installed except Giftbox because I downloaded @twinaxe GB page.

If anyone could help me on this or give me a direction on how to avoid it in the future that would be great. Seems like I got blacklisted by Google super fast. All my pages are pretty vanilla and I would be happy to share them with anyone who wants wo make sure they aren't phishing or malware attacks like GSB says. I can't imagine you would have to switch LP domains that often?

Thanks everybody for any help.

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This domain was used before. There is a hit on the web archive in 2009. And it appears to have dropped in 2012. It may have a history that led to this penalty. My advice is to buy a new domain, or try with another one you have.

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@jeremie

Thanks a lot for searching that up. I already decided to grab more domains incase this happens again. Also, for future reference I think I am going to use different droplets for LP domains and tracker domains. Different IPs, with cloudflare as the DNS. Keeps the tracker more safe I think. I was surprised this happened at all (before the info you provided) because I was running what seemed like normal stuff for the sweeps verticals (spinwheel gift and survey). All 0 logo usage and approved by PropellerAds team over and over without issue. Must be a terribly damaged domain. Just my luck when I decided to choose the name!

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Yes, you need to be careful with aged domains.

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It can also be the offer behind the page that triggers the flag.

No need for an overkill.

Having few spare domains for landing pages is always a good idea and keeping landing page domain and tracking domain separated is a must.

Different droplets however is not needed.

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This is quite a common issue and affiliates who are running the more aggressive stuff are facing it quite often. The problem is, these flags can get random at times and google will flag even something that's not really fishy at all. It has happened to me a few times too.

Based on my experience, a LP domain can get flagged even when it links to a clean offer that has some kind of redirect that leads to a less legit offer... for example GEO detection scripts that redirect visits to fallback offers. It has happened to me and I wasn't able to find any other reason for the flag, it must have been the offer I was linking to.

One way or another, when a domain get's flagged, it's pretty much dead and it's not really worth it to try to get the flag lifted... it takes time and once flagged, the domain is probably going to get checked again soon and the problem might return. It's better to get a new one and always have a backup one in place. Some people even have multiple clones of their LPs setup on several domains and rotate the traffic among them to reduce the risk of a flag.

It all comes down to how questionable your campaigns are. If you're skiing on the edge, you need to be prepared for this, but honestly, I only had this happen to me a few times during the past 6 or 7 years.

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@matuloo @twinaxe @cmdeal

You guys kick ass. Thanks so much for all the information on this. It was confusing to me to try and figure out what triggered it.

Probably or the fact that the domain was junk in the first place.

I decided to bulk buy a few domains that are definitely new (came up with unique names for everything to be sure). I will see what happens in the future but I am running really basic survey, giftbox and spinwheel pages. Pretty much run of the mill adplexity stuff with small mods of my own (confetti and whatnot). Trials and tribulations on the way to success. This is why I decided to stick with push in Poland and keep my budgets tighter (run about $500ish worth of traffic) to make sure kinks were worked out before expanding and blasting out 10-20 new offers in multiple GEOs. You guys helped a ton with this and I got it sorted out. Launching everything out again tonight and will update all the progress in the follow along.

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Sometimes it also depends on where you run the campaigns.

A landing page can be totally fine in geo A but getting issues in geo B.

But as long as you don´t run any aggressive stuff you won´t have problems in most cases

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Okay guys...

Alright super strange issue here....Just loaded up a new campaign. Let me take you through the chain of events....

1. Loaded up new landing pages which are dynamic. They change based on user keyword. They are very basic survey giftbox and wheel like in my follow along post today.

2. Campaigns started and were approved by Propellerads. Saw really strange CTR rates immediately. Like 0 CTR across pages but then started to climb.

3. 10 minutes in campaigns rejected due to GSB issues? BRAND NEW domain, NEW DROPLET. Just launched it first time.

4. I follow the links myself and they work perfectly no problem. On phone, on computer. On VPN from Poland, and without. Not a single issue on the pages.

EDIT: link now shows GSB error for me.

Something here is triggering safe browsing problem. Only change I made from previous campaigns to this is the dynamic keyword changing page elements. Literally nothing else. This is frustrating as I am stopped before even starting campaigns. Not much more of these will probably equal a ban from PropellerAds too which is terrible because I have done nothing wrong. I guess rebuild everything on a new domain AGAIN but do not do any dynamic page loading at all. Old fashioned copy and change all page elements myself. Have no idea how this happened literally instantly. These same pages ran in previous campaigns for days and days without issues. BUT they had no dynamic content in them.

I figured it was unwise to post the DIRECT tracking link into PropellerAds system versus using a redirect through a masked folder. Not for nefarious purposes but only to hide the tracker itself. Should I just throw that aside and post in the direct link as well? E.g

https://trackingdomain.con/key?blahblahblah (actual link from Binom)

I am doing https://lpdomain.com/in (<-- contains campaign link in a redirect php file) never had issues with this before EVEN in propeller until pages got dynamic and were changed to PHP

I feel like had I done this the tracker URL would have gotten the GSB ban. This is very frustrating indeed. Seriously the domain didn't last 10 minutes in the wild. I am thinking because these are .PHP and not .HTML pages they seem like a threat, second the dynamic content was when it all went sideways. I will change it back and see what happens I guess.

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Is this a new domain?
Give us a complete link so that we can have a look, not just the domain.

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@jeremie

Sorry the domain is https://gifterzone.shop

https://gifterzone.shop/welcome?key=3fciemh9hc6ulf21zkne&visitor_id=${SUBI D}&cost={cost}&zoneid={zoneid}&campaignid={campaig nid}&device={device}&browser={browser}&os={os}&osv ersion={osversion}&country={country}&creative={ban nerid}&isp={isp}&user_activity={user_activity}

/welcome contains a index.php file that just redirects through the tracking link and attaches the parameters. CPVLabs used to have this built in as a feature and that's where I got the index.php file from. Figured it was safe here, ran all my previous follow along campaigns with it.

My tracker is fine, and sits on a different droplet AND different URL. This URL is for LPs only. Tracker has never had any issue with GSB. I can login to it with 0 problems. Like I said, this domain didn't last 10 minutes. My assumption is it has to do with dynamic loading content. Google is just NOT liking what my code is doing. It's completely harmless and just changes page information like iPhone to Samsung, loads picture of 1 phone versus other but they must hate however it's written. On the upside, I am quickly learning how to stand directly in GSBs crosshairs instantly. On the downside I can't run anything and am probably teetering on the brink with PropellerAds for no reason.

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I just rebuilt everything back to standard HTML, NO DYNAMIC content and am going to launch out on a fresh domain (already propagated yesterday thinking ahead if this happened again).

I will let you guys know how it goes. If all goes fine, I know what caused it. And I can tell others what not to do to get caught in GSB sights. Update to come.

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This shouldn’t be related to the dynamic content IMO.

Lots of websites and landing pages load their content dynamically and that doesn’t represent a real issue.

What I think might be the issue is the aggressiveness of the landing page or any similarity of the LP with well known services that might trigger google to flag your domain.

If you are using the same server (same IP address) that you were using when you got another domain flagged, then most probably the you’ve got your server IP address flagged as well.

With the HTML site you might not see the same issue since the content of the site is processed client side.

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@platinum

Thanks for the suggestions. I figured the same thing about this as well as what you said about PHP being server side and HTML client side:

So I decided to host all the LPs on a different droplet (even though twinaxe said it was overkill). I just didn't want the tracker to get flagged also. Tomorrow I am going to set up 3-4 tracking domain rotations as well in Binom just to pad a little extra. My pages are very vanilla without any logo usage or anything. Though they do have that "facebook" vibe to them. You can see them in my push follow along I just posted them tonight.

I launched everything back out as HTML and have had 0 issues yet. Last 4 campaigns I launched all died within 5 minutes when the php dynamic pages were in rotation. I am thinking *hoping more like it* that everything holds and I don't have to switch tracker IP, LPs droplets etc all because of my dumb mistakes. Anyway, as of yet it's rolling.

Thanks for all the help so far everyone.

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Well it usually is overkill. Only thing that changes with another droplet is the IP. However if you are using cloudflare you have a proxy in between (is standard setting). This way you don't expose your server / droplet IP.

Maybe try with some landers you get here from here like twinaxe's "ultimate sweepstakes lander" --> see footer in his posts.

Am using that lander myself for over a year and never had any issue with it. With this lander you can be sure that there is no sneaky / malicious code inside.

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@larsometer

That is my giftbox page actually. Welp quick update. Another domain just got burned. That's 3 over 2 days.

I just spent 2 hours remaking all my landing pages and duplicating all my tracking etc to the new lp domain. Everything seemed fine. Propellerads once again approved everything no issues at all. Ran good for over an hour so I decided to go ahead and build more. Once again all in PL not sure if this is making any difference due to geopolitical conflict or something idk.

I am at a complete loss here for what to do next. My campaigns just ran for about 2 hours without issue. 1 campaign running actually in the green consistently as well for the first time. Noticed a strange dip in CTR happening across all 3 running campaigns. Then found my pages blocked again with that red screen of death. Immediately stopped all my campaigns before Propeller would reject them again. All I can do at this point is post the pages here and see what you guys think. This is extremely infuriating as I can't run anything without getting shut down. Page downloads are:

GIFTBOX
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/thza4lfna...CixhrPNja?dl=0

SURVEY
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bg6fztc36...O0xzE-hGa?dl=0

SPINWHEEL
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/edgc782kh...pho-nTwVa?dl=0

That's it. Are these so bad that Google would ban them within an hour? Is it my droplet IP? Do I need to just migrate everything, tracker, LP domains, etc all to new droplets and stuff. Is there hidden code on these pages for some reason I overlooked? The survey and spinwheel I mean since GB was twinaxe. I just want to run traffic and test offers and of course I wouldn't be me if I didn't get plagued with shit like this. Anyway, all help is very appreciated to try and get the train back on the rails. I have been pulling my hair out for 2 days getting banned instantly for these pages the second they go live.

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Nobody can tell you what exactly is the problem.

For sure twinaxe's giftbox is not the problem in case you didn't put any additional scripts in there. But even backbutton and push collect should not raise such a quick google ban.

Basically you need to check each step to find what is the actual root cause. To give you an idea, check the following steps:

When you are worried about your droplet IP --> use cloudflare.

When you are worried about your redirect /tracking domain --> run lander direct or with landing page pixel (if your tracker allows that) for some hours

When you are worried about lander --> use a very simple 1click lander and run a smart link for a couple of hours

When you are worried about geo --> try different geo with a smart link

Smartlinks tend to convert much better but of course payout is very low. So don't expect profits and rather regard them as an investigation tool.

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Did you anything to the LP... some scripts or a piece of whatever code? Check the code of the LP(s) to make sure there is nothing strange in the code as a result of a potential hack or some malicious activity, that happens sometimes too.

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Tracker domain looks clean.

Giftbox + Spinwheel code looks clean

Survey has a sneaky script in index.html before the </head> on line 849
Is "track.mobile-devices-only.com" a domain of yours? If not, remove this code and check.

Your landers are faking Facebook comments, using the FB like button, which might be what triggers a GSB warning.

Also, ideally, avoid calling your JS/CSS libraries from Google, which give them insights on your landers.
https://ajax.googleapis.com/

You can use https://cdnjs.com/ as a replacement.

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Good find.

Usually that shouldn´t be an issue as long as there is no Google logo.

@quintyfresh Did you run the same offers a before where your domains got flagged first time or are these different offers?

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@jeremie

Yeah good find. Not sure how I missed it but that's isn't mine.

@twinaxe

So I was running LIDL voucher offer which ran completely fine before I made the pages dynamic. It ran on these very same pages without a problem when they were static HTML. The other slew of offers are new. Weird thing is that nothing changed but the dynamic content. But I changed it back last night to HTML, and ran it on that new domain omegacreative.xyz. Which was subsequently banned nearly immediately by GSB.

So next steps I think are:

Tracking domains: https://alphaseagull.com/
New Landing Page Domain: newhorizondawn.xyz

I am using the same tracking domain I have used the entire time. Is this a mistake? Do you think Google has it cached that anything funneling through that URL should be considered spam? I don't want to move the tracker but if you guys think I should I will. The tracker itself domain works fine still as of now. All campaigns funnel through a inbound folder to mask the tracker itself. A very simple PHP redirect that just contains header redirect with the alphaseagull redirect and tacks on the parameters to the proper campaign. Nothing complicated or weird in any way. Like I said, CPVLabs used to do this nearly standard as a feature.

Run giftbox and wheel. DO NOT run the survey page to isolate the problem. Do a different clean survey page that I downloaded from a LP package. Possible swap the comments section of any FB clones to be identical to the comment section on twinaxe box page. Could be that survey page causing the issues. Then, remove any Google loads on the dependencies (JS, etc).]

Oh yeah, @larsometer everything is ran through cloudflare. Tracking domain + LP domains and to extra pad since this issue was effecting me I put all LPs on a droplet and tracker on its own droplet just to isolate.

Run it all again and see what shakes out.

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Guys I was just thinking too...Another side note. I emailed myself the campaign test link (via GMAIL) so I could open it on my phone with a VPN and test ( a must before running campaigns ). However, I don't click it IN the email I just copy it and paste it direct in phone browser. But still.

Do you think Google is scanning these links in the email and then reporting it as potential SPAM to GSB side of things? I am sending it from my gmail to my gmail as self send. Was faster than having to load the link into a text file somewhere and transfer it over but this could maybe be the cause too. Just thinking of all the ways. I am currently reforming a good clean survey page (ripped by adplexity themselves and offered through a package of LPs). I also changed all the Google references out 100% as per @jeremie recommendation. I will load everything up onto those domains I posted above and see what happens. I can also throw a link to my new survey page as well if anyone wants to make sure I am not a complete moron.

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I don't think this can cause any problem, millions of links are emailed daily, they cannot flag all of them just because someone used email to send them. Should you mass email to 1000s of addresses, then yes, it might pull some trigger but a one time email shouldn't cause any problem.

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Yeah you are probably right @matuloo. I was just trying to think of literally anything as to why this is happening so fast. I mean like 5 minutes to 1 hour gets banned. Anyway, I rebuilt a clean survey page from russian one that adplexity had in their stock (cleaned by them first). I modified it for this campaign and made sure to use non google assets. I did that on the other pages as well. Pages going out now are spinwheel and box that @jeremie verified to be clean and this new survey which is here by the way:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mav240yrt...1dt6ZKZia?dl=0

Everything very clean. No logos. Simple code that is static. No google assets once again.

I am going to use the same tracking domain alpha, but am using the 3rd new LP domain I sent in my last post (horizondawn). I will push everything back out in the next hour and see what happens. My feeling is that if everything gets hit again (please god no) I will have to drop everything (droplets, tracker domain, new lp domains, etc) and start completely fresh. Everything is through cloudflare so this might be overkill. I could also just mask the original tracker domain by rotating domains into Binom like they instruct. The thing is, I am not trying to mask or cloak or anything. I just want to run standard sweeps stuff like a bunch of guys are doing all day everyday. Upside to all this is at least I am learning all these issues now at small budget, and at least I have you guys to help and I am not doing it alone. +1 to the STM team for helping me keep my sanity.

Thanks again everyone.

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I can understand your frustration, I personally HATE things like these

There must be something that triggers the flag, my bet would be something in the code, maybe the part that jeremie found could be just that.

Did you use the same offer(s) in all cases? As I mentioned earlier, in one of the cases when this happened to me, I wasn't able to find any problems so it must have been the offer I was linking to.

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One last thing that just hit me. Remove gtm.js from your survey directory. This is the Google Tag Manager library that should only be served from the Google server. I know you have commented the script, but i would recommend to remove the file and all the script markups related to it, even in the comments.

Looking at it, there is a few sneaky scripts inside too.

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And an interesting article about the different messages and using the Search Console to debug these messages:

https://geekflare.com/google-warning-messages/

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@jeremie and @matuloo

You are much appreciated. I built a new survey page from adplexity and ditched that old one. About gtm.js. What was interesting was they were using it to manage the pages QandA section for hiding the previous question etc. I side stepped it by coding it with simpler JS but it still was an issue. That page was just toxic all around. Link to new one is:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mav240yrt...1dt6ZKZia?dl=0

I have a strong belief that it was that old survey page that was creating the issues for me. I also decided to ditch the campaign redirect idea through an inbound folder and decided to just rotate tracker LP domains instead with Binom. Accomplishes more or less the same goal. Less redirects, faster loads and simpler to setup. Removes so many pieces from the process that identifying any GSB blocks should be easy beyond this. I am really amazed that this has been such a major problem for me. I was so excited to share a positive campaign with you guys for the first time last night. Literally all LPs in green, 2 creatives in green, and traffic moving pretty fast. Then all of a sudden CTR dropped off and I knew something was wrong.

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Btw, in Binom you can also activate a check if domains get flagged and then setup a trigger to switch them automatically in case they get flagged.

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Not working

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@jeremie

Not sure why. Here it is again (reuploaded again):

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mav240yrt...1dt6ZKZia?dl=0

I am actually getting ready to launch everything back out as we speak. This should be a super clean round. New tracker rotation domain, new LP domain, new survey page, etc. I am becoming an expert in getting banned by GSB for whatever that's worth.

Edit: Okay everything just went out after triple verifying all the links, pages and asset calls, any missing or 404 stuff etc. Pages are PERFECT. New tracker rotated domain as well. Currently 4:35 my time (West Coast USA). Let's see what happens.

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So what's the result? Flagged again or running fine at last?

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@jeremie

Everything ran last night no issues at all. Seems to have been that survey page. I think you found it.

The only thing now is all the campaigns I was running recently that were converting decent all got blown out last night. First time I've spent $50ish dollars without even 1 CV on SOI sweeps. All part of it I am sure and my tracking all appears to be working correctly so chalk it up to different days perform differently. But as of now, everything is moving like it should.

Thanks to everyone here that helped with this. Moral of the story is be careful exactly what you rip and run (even when you think you've cleaned it).

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Not yet

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@matuloo

Sorry for late reply to you as well. Thanks for the follow up. I just wanted to let Jeremie know I think he got it nipped in the bud. As of now everything seems normal. So what I learned is that becoming an expert at GSB bans is not a worthwhile goal as an affiliate.

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What you learn now you don´t have to learn again later

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Very nice, let's hope the problem will not return.

And as twinaxe mentioned above, you just learned something new and should the problem return, now you know what to do

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