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Follow-Along: La Grande Armée Invades Tiktok (41)

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You are right, it's better to start running traffic with a no-to-perfect setup than trying to polish everything from the start and delaying the process further.

It's ok to NOT reveal everything, but read this anyways: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...copied-Stop-it!

Looking forward to see some initial numbers, will be following your journey

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We can rename you to Teddy Roosevelt, you just have to say

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It is never too late to embark on the cringe Roleplay train my friend. Do note you risk no one speaking to you ever again though

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Oh I wouldn't worry about that! Look at @jaybot working his potty mouth and spewing his sarcasm all over the forums - and he's got more of us wanting to speak to him than most other members.

Fantastic start to a fantastic journey! Looking forward to your next installment!


Amy


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Hey... the man did Judo in the Oval Office and swam naked in the Potomoc in winter lol... how can you not love him?

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Congrats on the first conversion!

I'm wondering:

1)What the offer page looks like - and whether it's good enough to convert visitors. If so, direct-linking is worth testing further.

2)Whether the ads can be improved. Based on the CTR people are digging what the ad is offering, but maybe some improvements can increase CR. For example: First thing on people's minds (I'd imagine) would be "free samples? What's the catch?" so make sure the ad answers this question. Also, all the contents on your simple lander can be conveyed in the ad itself.

I would be interested in seeing the actual offer page. Try to look at your ads and the offer page objectively and think, "what is causing visitors to be interested enough to click/swipe on the ad, but bail when they see the offer?" Answer this question, then work the answers into your ad.

Also: Judging by your previous posts, I think you've been showing images with voiceovers? I would pay someone on fiverr to actually get the free kit and show it off. The script can be really simple and to the point:

"This website is giving out free samples and I'm telling all my friends to sign up before they run out. The kit includes x, y, and z [showing off kit contents and brand names]. Unbelievable right? This stuff would normally cost $xxx. I was thinking at first too, how anyone could just give out brand name stuff for free, but companies give out free samples so more people will try their products and some people will buy. But of course we can just enjoy the freebies without buying anything. To get this kit like I did, all you do is swipe left to go to the site, fill in your shipping information, and you'll get your samples. I got mine in x days."

3)Perhaps with better ads and direct-linking, and further optimization such as refining your targeting, you'll get way better results.


I don't have much experience with Tiktok yet - started running myself but haven't had much time to spend on it. Just thinking out loud - so please take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt.

The payout is a little low, but the friction / barrier to entry is also low assuming it's a lead gen offer, where all the visitor needs to do is leave their info.

But is the offer one of those "get this for free but pay out of your ass for shipping" offers? If so then I can see how people are bailing when they get to the offer page...if that's the case then it would be harder to get this to work.



Amy

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Hey @vortex . thank you for the insightful reply

Here is the offer LP - there is one more page at the end asking for email/phone number. I would sure love to try direct linking some more, I will appeal tiktoks decision as soon as I have made some improved creatives to go with it.



I think the START NOW button probably has something to do with it. That is what you would see before filling a 10-page form. I will emphasize the fact that it all takes less than 30 seconds in the ads and landers. I made some new landers and will test them against direct-linking and see what comes next

Stock footage with VO, yes.

That is just a great idea.. I am stealing your script verbatum, please dont sue There is nothing to pay for the samples, so I really should be able to make this work hopefully

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Hey @jack_l

No clue.. I was trying to figure out a way to find that out, but I don’t know how to go about it.

I do think 2-5 percent is achievable, assuming I can get the ads approved

Alright, after consideration here are the next steps

I am going to create 2 new campaigns

- One direct linking to the offer, with improved creatives. I will focus on emphasizing the quick and easy steps it takes to get them to convert, and will get an ad done on Fiverr following the advice I received
- One with improved landers

There is certainly some useful information regarding targeting in my reports, so I will try to make conclusions with that.
The campaigns will run for 10X payout each, then I will report back for duty.

Thank you

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Cool... good stuff man...

The general wisdom is to try to only try offers that you know are working on the traffic source, are similar to ones working on the traffic source, or are working on other traffic sources at least... and to do this by spying and asking your AM's for recommendations.

Spying on TikTok is hard though as there's no 'Adplexity TikTok' yet and you can only see ads in your own geo. So that presents difficulties.

And again - the beauty of those low payout offers is that you can test them super cheap, so even though we don't know if this one is actually working anywhere or not, spending another $50 testing it isn't a big deal...

I see you got it on MaxBounty too... if you go to their 'Top Offers' section you'll see the offers ranked by volume being done by affiliates... so you can definitely pick offers off of the top of that list and be relatively confident they're decent.

There's tons of offers on affiliate networks that nobody actually runs though and that don't actually convert... seems odd but it is the case.. so the thing you really want to avoid is doing what I did when I started, and trying a bunch of high-payout offers just randomly... which is basically like lighting money on fire lol...

But yeah, Max Bounty and Clickbooth and Clickdealer all have lots of great offers. I'm actually about to test a low-payout US offer on TikTok myself too funnily enough


PS Just to clarify, when I said 2-5% I meant as a baseline that you could then improve on... obviously at a 30 cent cpc you'll need about a 15%+ conversion rate to be in the green at a $2.40 payout. But I don't think spending another $50 testing it is a bad idea... like I said, TikTok is super inconsistent so it could do way better the second time around... and its helping you build knowledge and mastery of the traffic source very inexpensively, which is the other good aspect of it.

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Good call, currently browsing Maxbounty for ideas, and sending my AM an email as well.

Hahah, I will be wary of that, surely some offers must hit the sweet spot here.

Best of luck mate, and thank you for the help

Pretty much my thought also. Unless the data looks promising, I will probably just kill the campaign and move on to the next

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Here are my thoughts based on what I've learned.

Right now you are learning, so as long as you don't run afoul of TikTok, I'd stay with this offer or something similar to crack TikTok. Obviously you do want an offer that is proven to convert, so if this isn't it, find a similar offer. Once you figure out what people are responding to, it will become much more rinse and repeat.

Also, I find the more you spell out exactly what they have to do, the better. "And the best part, to get my free sample I just had to tell them who I was and where to send it to me." Or something along those lines.

Finally, looking at your adset names, it appears you are playing with Bid Cap and other features.

KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Starting out, Lowest Cost all day, every day. Let the AI do its job and you simply work on better creatives and finding the targeting options that work best. Once you are converting and are trying to squeeze out more ROI, then start playing with the various options. But if you can't convert in Chad mode, you aren't going to convert in Guru mode either.

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Do we have an undercover TikTok degen in the house? Sounds like you've been cracking some heads on there yourself lately man or did I miss your posts on it? Would love to hear how its been going for you! I've run into some roadblocks progress-wise so any wisdom you have is very welcome!

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Not even sure what a degen is?

I haven't posted much on here, I joined Scott's Mastermind, although it is pretty quiet. It has some of the same problems STM has, everyone is afraid to share. So since no one is sharing, I'm reluctant to share... chicken and the egg.

My issue right now is just getting better at creatives. I'm so much better than when I started, but still not at @ScottyG 's level. I did go for low payout offers to learn with, auto insurance. Of course got some of the same issues I had with native, apparently just a bad time for auto insurance lead gen and the offers keep getting tweaked. But it really helped me learn a lot. I then found another lead gen offer and I'm running it now. Slowly scaling so I can get some profits and also get some leads in for the quality check that is coming. Hopefully quality is decent so I can scale it massively.

It did help a lot though. On the new Financial Lead gen, it just bombed out of the gate. Which really confused me and the AM, since it seemed perfect for TikTok. I went back to the drawing board and realized I was "trying too hard" in the creatives. So I stepped it back just a bit and it seems to be doing very well now.

So if you know of some killer auto insurance offers, I'd really appreciate it if you shared.

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Right on... very cool man.. good for you...

Oh and 'Degen' is just a term I picked up from the crypto world... just short for 'Degenerate'... akin 'Degenerate Gambler' but re: investing or business... i.e. seeking the huge profits

But yeah... I've actually been amazed at everyone's openness to sharing... but I guess when it comes to the actual offers people hold their cards a bit close to their vest, so you're right about that...

I haven't tried Car Insurance on it... I heard from a friend of mine who is deep into the car insurance world though that all the offers have been cutting back on payouts + spend though... but yeah, I'd just recommend Clickbooth and Leadnomics, but that's not unique advice... definitely think its a great vertical to do though, its not like it will ever die out, so once you master it you should have some massive profit potential...

I tried US Mortgage but couldn't get much traction... made some leads but was at around -65%... have also done UK Life, UK CashForHouses, UK Senior Life, and some other stuff... saw some profits early on and then red after a couple days... same thing multiple times... and then tons of ecom that I haven't been able to make work...

I have one offer that killed it early on but still working on getting it whitelisted with them... been a couple months now but we seem to be right on the brink...

One offer I haven't tried but I think would do well on TikTok would be SimpleHomeQuotes windows...

Also there's a Clickbank 'Cash For Surveys' offer I've been meaning to try that I think might do well...

Anyway that all reminds me though I should update my TIkTok thread...

@definitely average height - my apologies for derailing your thread! Will try to bust you out of Elba later on to make up for it

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Hey @iwantotfly , thank for the advice, I'll stop cocking around with the Bid Cap for now.

Not a worry! I do love to see the thread alive, and where there is nuggets of information to siphon, you can be sure I will be paying attention

Please do follow up on the rescue mission though, I hate this place.. my captors even refuse to call me Emperor anymore, such an outrage

Paid surveys sound like they could work, right ? I will be trying that next, unless fortune favors my current campaign somehow.

Cheers

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Gotcha. Yeah I've run both Clickbooth and Leadnomics, Leadnomics was doing well, but then the advertiser cut the payout, plus most of my conversions were off hours, so...

The Clickbooth one was ok, but not quite as good. I did get a pay bump and I'm going to use what I'm learning with this offer so improve the auto creatives.

Sadly auto insurance is the flame and I'm the moth. I know it is evergreen and demand will never stop, nor supply. But right now the numbers aren't the best. I did briefly try some mortgage, but the higher payout means bigger testing budgets. I really want to get into a profit situation so I'm using profits to learn and grow.

I'm going to take a look at that on Clickbank. People keep saying Clickbooth has paid surveys, but every time I ask my AM, he doesn't know of any. So if someone does, please drop me a message. I do like my Clickbooth AM, so probably just a miscommunication somewhere or people ran them in the past, but they don't have them right now. But to anyone reading, very open to offers on paid survey or auto insurance.

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Glad to hear it. All those settings have their place, but not right now. So far I found TikTok very similar to Facebook, even with the bipolar moderation. Fortunately I have an agency account, so just have to appeal and get the ad back. The beauty of social media is at smaller spends, you really don't have to micromanage placements and options. And even the people I respect who do big numbers say you don't that much there either. They probably optimize creatives more for placements, but this isn't natives or pop or push where you have to drill down to find the converting options.

I will share a lesson I've learned. So again, I'm running a financial lead gen offer at the moment. Looks fantastic for TT. I made some creatives that really hit on what they said is the big draw, and I would agree. Crickets... So I look at the lander and I realize the big promo isn't even mentioned above the fold where they get email. So I go back and make new creatives that focus on the benefits above the fold and suddenly it is converting like crazy.

So in short, make sure the creatives are clear and match the offer.

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Thank you for the vid!

The offer page looks really, really straight forward already. I truly feel direct-linking is the way to go.

An LP can be a double-edged sword. It requires an extra click, but if done right it can pre-sell the prospect. In order for it to be worth using, the LP needs to do more good than harm. In this case there's not much pre-selling needed - so it would be quite hard to justify the extra click. But of course do your own testing!

What do you mean by "appeal tiktok's decision"? Did the account get banned? Campaign disapproved?


Good idea! And maybe have your speaker say something like "I know it seems like a lot of info to fill out but trust me, the samples are worth it!"


My honor!


@jack_l @iwanttofly thanks so much guys for coming in here and sharing all that gold!





Amy

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Just saw this on youtube - may provide some inspiration:

https://youtu.be/8T3kL4Z6edA

Forgot to mention: Unbox videos are popular - so if you're getting someone to show off the samples, it would be a good idea to ask them to do one of those before anything else.


Amy


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Update Alright so I spent a good amount of time making new creatives for the SuperSave offer that I was very happy with, unfortunately they all got rejected by my technocratic overlords.

Apparently the offer page contains malware.. nice.

Man I wish I could get these couple hours back. I will be trying the cleanest paid survey offer I can find next and we will keep this thread going maybe the 18-24 age range might come in useful this time

Cheers

Thank you anyway for the advice @vortex, you are a saint

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A bit late to the party, but:

Yes, because:
- your tracker use HTTPS, and when clicking/redirecting to an HTTP page, the browser will say something like "You are about to be redirected to a connection that is not secure." With a popup to see if user wants to continue. Or in some case it will be even more difficult, with a "Unsecure site" notice requiring two clicks to continue, which no one is going to do.
- amazon S3 data is always served from the same region and not cached, so you don't have the CDN effect that serves your content faster as it is cached and closer to the user
- amazon S3 has a 10000 GET request limit per month and then you get charged way higher than a CDN.

Put a CloudFront CDN in front of S3 (see @vortex guide), and that should help you to get at least some data.

Maybe not as much as Hippolyte

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Thank you @jeremie

I am going to follow that advice. I tried running cloudfare with s3 and fir some reason I never got it to work ��

That's it. Meet me in the palace courtyard 6pm this evening for a duel

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Man that sucks some balls!

Just to be sure: Did your video ads get rejected? Or did the campaign get rejected because of the alleged malware?

Are there similar offers you can promote using the same/similar vids?

I just checked google and offervault and found some (disclaimer: these are not personal recommendations - please proceed at your own risk):

https://www.flexoffers.com/affiliate...liate-program/

https://offervault.com/offer/193fe80...e-free-samples

https://offervault.com/offer/943d687...-covergirl-cpa

Also - there are other free samples offers aside from cosmetics samples. I haven't promoted this type of offers on Tiktok, but based on the demo and mindset of the demo, I think this type of stuff really has a shot. But if you're discouraged and want to try something else, that would be understandable as well of course.



https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...osting-and-CDN



Amy

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Hey @vortex

Thank you for the suggestion

GET IT FREE - COVERGIRL (CPA) looks amazing, and I will certainly give it a try. It looks perfect for Tiktok, and even has a higher CPA.

The ads were rejected, but the reason given cites danger to users visiting the offer page

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Appeal it if you haven't already. Their AI has been a bit funky of late in what it rejects and why.

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I didnt dare to.. the offer page does look like it contains malware -My leadpages account got banned when I linked their Contact Us/PP pages on my lander and after an exchange with support, that seems to be the reason why

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Gotcha.

I know a few AMs have gotten annoyed at me in the past. I visit every offer page and if it won't load, I won't run it. Perhaps my browser/anti-malware stack is a fluke, but I figure if I'm getting warnings about a dangerous site, other people will too.

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Update Alright, I have decided to go on a bit of a tangent and to run with SurveyJunkie -payout 6USD for DOI. The offer is obviously doing well for many affiliates so let us give it a shot while I wait for approval to run more free samples offers.

Made a couple of landers - simple, to the point



There is a trustpilot embed + reviews after the button.

Also, notice that beautiful SECURE icon at the top left ? That only took me many hours to get done, I'll have you know. God I hate fidgeting around..

We are targeting 18-24 for this one. Hopefully broke people use TikTok too.
Creatives are stupid simple, I also made the VO myself, so I can easily re-do parts of it for testing.

I will keep you updated.

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Congrats on figuring out SSL! Fortunately, you only need to figure this out once.

Offer sounds hopeful and lander looks great! Again - if the offer page is already straight forward, split-test direct-linking.

Looking forward to results!



Amy

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I find it funny that everyone is so afraid to share things but they are running on an agency account given to them by someone who also runs TT ads. You dont think Scotty is looking in the accounts he gives you and copying your winners? 100% he is ....

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Yeah I would never want to run under someone elses agency account. They can just rip everything if they see something is working. I do however don't think that Scotty is the owner of the agency account.

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This is affiliate marketing, so it's possible... but I highly doubt that.

I have my own agency account registered to my business and Tiktok's dashboards are such a fucking chore to slug through I can barely switch between my own accounts. Not to mention going through hundreds of other accounts to check out other people's ads because they're spending money.

Fuck that.

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Agreed. Certainly its always get to have solid opsec and not make it easy for people to copy your stuff, but just knowing that someone is succeeding with something is by no means a guarantee that you yourself can have success with it.

For instance I know of 10 different offers that Media Force is killing it with on native... and I know of multiple offers other folks I know are killing it with on TikTok... doesn't necessarily mean that I'm capable of killing it with them myself though... because I don't have the same data/payouts/relationships/experience/knowledge/whitelists/etc.

And I think that most people making really big consistent money in media-buying are aware that reputation and relationships are 90% of the battle, and aren't going to risk that by copying someone's stuff super brazenly.

With that said, we humans do stupid stuff all the time, so certainly don't discount the possibility of such things, but it can be a real rabbit hole if you let yourself worry about them too much.

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I dont own my agency account but I can see anyones account that I add.

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Not sure how the topic of renting agency accounts came up here, but I'll weigh in. Obviously the best solution is to have your own agency account, but for most people starting out that simply isnt realistic. It is extremely difficult to get hold of someone at TikTok, you basically need a referral and unless you have strong connections your chances are pretty slim. Even then, the process is painfully slow. Start to finish my agency account took 4 weeks to be ready to run traffic on.

That leaves you with two choices, renting an agency account or running on personal accounts. I can vouch firsthand that running on personal accounts SUCKS. Compliance will make it near impossible to run anything, and you will almost certainly end up suspended/banned, losing whatever balance you had in the account along with any pixel data and audiences. Renting an agency account isnt perfect, and yes, they could potentially steal winning campaigns, but without using an agency account your chance of getting a winning campaign is near zero anyways.

Starting off renting agency accounts and then eventually getting your own once you start having some success is going to be the best approach for most people IMO. Also, I can't guarantee anything, but having gotten a referral to Scotty's agency account connection a while back, I don't think they are directly affiliated.

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I'm not Scotty, so can't comment on his behalf on whether he's doing this or not, or whether it's possible for him to do this. (I don't know if he's the owner of the agency accounts he's been hooking up members with, or not.)

Nevertheless - a gentle reminder: I'd be very careful about making unfounded accusations like that towards a specific individual. There can be legal consequences.

Having your campaigns spied on and copied will always be a possibility, and not just by agency account owners.

It depends on whether you'd be willing to take that potential risk in exchange for the lower risk of account ban + higher likelihood of getting campaigns approved.

And the decision would be up to each individual to make - there's no need to point fingers in order to persuade members either way.



Amy
P.S. Regarding the sharing of things - Scotty has shared his experiences massively in his FA. Your question begs the counter-question: What have YOU shared?

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Agree with you 100%. I was discussing this with someone else on slack earlier and expressed similar sentiments:




@definitely average height Very apologetic for derailing your follow-along thread! How are things going?



Amy

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One more post about these things, of course we can´t deny that there is some risk involved but in the end it all comes down to risk vs reward and the advantages of renting an agency account can easily outbalance the risk.

But I´d like to add something else to the discussion risk vs reward.

The same what you say about renting agency accounts can be said about services like TheOptimizer that just have to monitor your campaigns closely so that they can work in your favor.

Same goes for campaigns that run on CPA or CPA Goal, there you have to send conversion data to the trafficsources, otherwise it won´t work.

And what about cloudhosted trackers where all your data is stored on their servers and where they could check and steal your campaigns?

In the end we could even say the same about running campaigns on TikTok or FB with their pixel at all.

Their support is also not stuffed by professionals, it´s mostly people with no clue and probably low wage.
What keeps them from taking campaigns where they see it´s making lots of money?

There are many examples where we just have to give away more details than we would usually do so the real question is not if it´s risky but rather if it´s worth it.

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I shared a lot with him, it was stolen. Happy to discuss it with you privately if you would like.

That being said I have been on STM for 7+ years, I have shared a ton of things with members of STM in private. I have shared tons of things in person at many STM meet up's around the world. What I havent done, and will never do is publicly share how to work new traffic sources so that people can jump on them and cause market cannibalization. When you are ahead of the curve on an untapped market its best to stay quiet about it for a while. I have been advertising on TT since Jan 2020, I have spent over $15,000,000 on the platform since then and I am only now starting to talk to people about it. I know from personal experience on many diffrent hidden / hard to understand traffic sources that become mainstream and then get ruined Shutting the F Up is the best practice.

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I can respect your point of view. It's always up to the individual how much they want to share - in public or in private.

However, what you may or may not have shared, or how much you may or may not have spent on a traffic platform, does not grant you the right to make unfounded accusations against any other member.

I'm by no means taking sides. I don't know Scotty personally. If someone had said the same about you, I would have done the same for you.

We value each member. As moderators our job is to nurture a space for the sharing of knowledge where everyone is respected.

And with you being such a long-term member of this family, I'm sure you'd want to see the same.

Lastly: I agree that sharing specifics can lead to saturation ("race to the bottom"), but surely more general tips can't hurt? After spending $15 million on Tiktok, if you have any general observations that you feel can help members without causing the "market cannibalization" phenomenon, we'd all appreciate hearing about them. But of course that'd be up to you to decide.




Amy

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Don't try to run sweeps on tiktok. They do not allow any offer that requires user data in exchange of prizes or money. Got this information from a tiktok manager after tested 40 campaigns and all got rejected/ban after 50-100$ spend. Just my 2 cents.... You are wasting time trying sweepstakes on tiktok.

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