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08-18-2021 11:44 PM #1 turbobader (Member)
Tell me STMers trying to figure out TT without telling me STMers trying to figure TT

I'll go first!



and of course all the TikTok FA started lately!

Great job guys

Im another victim of a TikTok movement. Im guilty of signing up already and just figured out to be able to make the pixel work you need TikTok marketing API. Which I have zero clue about how that works. Just in the process make sense of it. To my understanding we need to send info back and forth between affiliate network and traffic source. Is it like S2S postback what Im trying achieve? Since I need my own server to do the API thing and we are already sending info back and forth would you setup a tracker if let me say it with a car guy term "while I was in there" or you use the report you can get from TT ads manager?

I was told to try Vultr for the API setup.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks,
David

08-19-2021 11:18 AM #2 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Following! Hopefully I'll have enough Tiktok experience to share soon! Looking forward to learning from your experience.

In the meantime, let's wait for members that are running on Tiktok to help you with tracking.


Amy


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08-19-2021 11:28 AM #3 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

TikTok is really becoming very popular here on the forum

I haven't run there any ads myself so can't help with the setup, but let me tag some of the guys who do, maybe some of them will be able to help you out with the tracking... @ScottyG @jack_l @omoaha

08-19-2021 12:09 PM #4 ScottyG (Senior Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
TikTok is really becoming very popular here on the forum

I haven't run there any ads myself so can't help with the setup, but let me tag some of the guys who do, maybe some of them will be able to help you out with the tracking... @ScottyG @jack_l @omoaha
You're looking at about 2 to 3 hours of work with a competent dev, people are charging $1,000+ for the full setup I've heard.

1. Sign up for a developer account here: https://ads.tiktok.com/marketing_api/homepage

2. Create a server, I recommend Vultr or DigitalOcean

3. Write a script that can act as an HTTP server and listening for a post request.

4. When this script receives a post request on the endpoint, collect data from the request such as Event, Pixel, ttclid, value, etc.

5. Take this data and fire a post request to TikTok Marketing API, the documentation is here: https://ads.tiktok.com/marketing_api...01890978528258

6. You're going to need an access token to use this API, that's another shit show to generate but refer to the API docs for a guide.

7. You need to launch ads and manually ad `&ttclid=__CLICKID__` to the end of the URL

8. On the offer network, you need to provide them with your custom built S2S link and have them fire the postback conversion to your middleman server that then formats and sends it to TikTok directly.

9. There is twenty different ways this can fail and break by the way, I'm so sorry.

OR

Make a standard pixel, copy the code, tell your AM to place it on the offer conversion page and just make a single event for Purchase based on the URL.

Which also will randomly just not work.

Good luck man.

08-19-2021 02:00 PM #5 iwanttofly (Veteran Member)

So @ScottyG, the TT pixel isn't reliable?

Although it sounds like S2S isn't consistently reliable either, is one better than the other?

08-19-2021 02:02 PM #6 ScottyG (Senior Member)

Quote Originally Posted by iwanttofly View Post
So @ScottyG, the TT pixel isn't reliable?

Although it sounds like S2S isn't consistently reliable either, is one better than the other?
It's hit or miss, try and give it a shot but not a lot of affiliate networks support it properly right now.

08-20-2021 02:29 AM #7 turbobader (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by ScottyG View Post
You're looking at about 2 to 3 hours of work with a competent dev, people are charging $1,000+ for the full setup I've heard.

1. Sign up for a developer account here: https://ads.tiktok.com/marketing_api/homepage

2. Create a server, I recommend Vultr or DigitalOcean

3. Write a script that can act as an HTTP server and listening for a post request.

4. When this script receives a post request on the endpoint, collect data from the request such as Event, Pixel, ttclid, value, etc.

5. Take this data and fire a post request to TikTok Marketing API, the documentation is here: https://ads.tiktok.com/marketing_api...01890978528258

6. You're going to need an access token to use this API, that's another shit show to generate but refer to the API docs for a guide.

7. You need to launch ads and manually ad `&ttclid=__CLICKID__` to the end of the URL

8. On the offer network, you need to provide them with your custom built S2S link and have them fire the postback conversion to your middleman server that then formats and sends it to TikTok directly.

9. There is twenty different ways this can fail and break by the way, I'm so sorry.

OR

Make a standard pixel, copy the code, tell your AM to place it on the offer conversion page and just make a single event for Purchase based on the URL.

Which also will randomly just not work.

Good luck man.
Thank you for all that info @ScottyG! Just looked so easy in this video https://ads.tiktok.com/help/article?aid=9663 of course its just not going to work that way.

I thought I managed the view content firing correctly but after observing more carefully probably no. It recorded events in review phase before ads started and when I checked site but not when ads running hmm. I got 100 clicks but no pageview event trigger? I see the clicks in affiliate network too.

Ill try what you suggested with pixel. I signed up to marketing api got an app in review. Looking for API guy on fiverr who had experience with FB ads. Got Vurtl.
What server os would be good for this?


Just got my first LAL audience based on video views. Also first guy on Fiverr canceled he wont be able to do the API.

This is exciting thanks for everything!

08-20-2021 01:52 PM #8 zeno (Administrator)

TL;DR - stop, don't set a marketing API app in TikTok, server or pay a developer. I can help.

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Heya,

FYI I have set up TikTok API integration for FunnelFlux Pro -- though I haven't released the UI update for it yet, as we wanted to make it conveniently more form-based with a lot done in the background.

We're also adding some tokens in the near future to make it (and our Facebook CAPI integration) more complete.

We can't yet offer it for custom events since we haven't added that, so you'd be stuck to sending just the one conversion event type.

I have someone using it with decent volume, works fine, though its not 100% reliable as TikTok, like FB, don't seem to attribute 100% of everything all the time... but it certainly works fine.

Not sure what tracker you are using but I can help out with a solution for now, as long as it isn't shared publicly since it would be using our FunnelFlux infrastructure to do it.

For this you need to bring to the table:

1. A working TikTok pixel/account -- I don't believe API access is by approval only anymore, so should be fine

2. A tracker that can store the TTCLID values they pass, then use these in a postback

3. The tracker also has to be able to send you the IP/user-agent of the converting user in a postback. Oh and page URL as well, though you could hard-code this if needed.


Just DM me and we can get something rolling for ya.

08-21-2021 02:53 AM #9 turbobader (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by zeno View Post
TL;DR - stop, don't set a marketing API app in TikTok, server or pay a developer. I can help.

==============

Heya,

FYI I have set up TikTok API integration for FunnelFlux Pro -- though I haven't released the UI update for it yet, as we wanted to make it conveniently more form-based with a lot done in the background.

We're also adding some tokens in the near future to make it (and our Facebook CAPI integration) more complete.

We can't yet offer it for custom events since we haven't added that, so you'd be stuck to sending just the one conversion event type.

I have someone using it with decent volume, works fine, though its not 100% reliable as TikTok, like FB, don't seem to attribute 100% of everything all the time... but it certainly works fine.

Not sure what tracker you are using but I can help out with a solution for now, as long as it isn't shared publicly since it would be using our FunnelFlux infrastructure to do it.

For this you need to bring to the table:

1. A working TikTok pixel/account -- I don't believe API access is by approval only anymore, so should be fine

2. A tracker that can store the TTCLID values they pass, then use these in a postback

3. The tracker also has to be able to send you the IP/user-agent of the converting user in a postback. Oh and page URL as well, though you could hard-code this if needed.


Just DM me and we can get something rolling for ya.
Hello Zeno, thank you for coming to my rescue!

My account and pixel should be ready. Also got my app approved in marketing API if needed. Im using Voluum I think that should be able to send all that info.

Im curious if you can only send one type of event at the time I should be able to send add to cart first than change and send purchase?

Sent you a PM as well.


While doing research in a last couple of days I came across this post https://github.com/davidteather/TikT...ck-start-guide if we already talking about TikTok API. Now I dont know if its helpful or not but this is what he claims "This is an unofficial api wrapper for TikTok.com in python. With this api you are able to call most trending and fetch specific user information as well as much more."

Its hard to be useful when you (I) dont know sh*t

08-21-2021 05:58 AM #10 zeno (Administrator)

Yeah it can be hard to figure out when its anything other than a basic postback URL.

On our end, we have a small dev team so I wanted to figure out how to do it myself. So I built the integrations myself and made them in a way so that they can start with a good old postback URL, but then make a friendlier form for it.

Now that I have figured it all out, its easy for me to add new integrations pretty rapidly (e.g. in a day) -- I did the Facebook CAPI, then TikTok, now Snapchat. Next up will be Google Adwords and Microsoft Ads. Not sure what other clunky sources are out there that don't support postbacks but do have APIs for conversion events.

This functionality will also lead into our post-conversion events later so we can do things like logging conversions to a Google Sheet, triggering a Slack notification, updating a user in an email system, etc.

08-21-2021 07:42 AM #11 jaybot (Veteran Member)

#metoo

I sent @zeno a message too as I know we can get this rolling on Binom as well with a little legwork.

I've read the documentation, have the pixel, the API, all that jazz. Could even spend the time to set up an extra s2s server like our resident magician @ScottyG , but... good trackers already are an s2s and it seems like a gigantic waste to me (especially since the majority of the time you're just translating the fucking-long ttclid into a manageable clickID for aff networks and then posting it back).

Also.

Savvy networks, like GiddyUp, have solved it entirely with their solution of just add the url parameter gupix=tt.yourtiktikpixeID and they magically do everything on their end, so there are definitely multiple solutions out there.

08-22-2021 03:47 PM #12 twinaxe (Senior Moderator)

Great to see this thread.

I guess when the TikTok pixel is ready to use with normal S2S tracking then many more users would give it a try.

Otherwise you are more or less limited to networks/offers that offer a solution for TikTok postbacks themselves.

08-24-2021 04:10 AM #13 turbobader (Member)

I cant show you because I sworn to secrecy but I can tell you that @zeno wrote me basically a mini tutorial how to set this up. Thank you!
But turns out that is actually worth checking the network's help center! Who would thought of that? I already know how to copy paste
After trying many times before @zeno's DM and just staring at the screen a little red ball caught my attention bouncing up and down in the left bottom corner. Trying to tell me dummy look here -> HELP CENTER!

JB has its own in-house pixel setup for events tracking that (to my understanding) communicates with TikTik pixel. Step by step setup in their help center. Just had to copy my TT pixel id into theirs. Looks like its firing correctly now but real traffic will confirm. Also this eliminates the tracker. I've been told that its an outdated version for setup and JB still suggest the API method. If it doesnt work gotta go with @zeno's solution.

*TT definitely doesnt like weight loss related products. It is prohibited to advertise anything like it. I got my agency account partly for this and been told it should just be fine on a.a. but anything related to it gets rejected just the same as on non a.a.

08-24-2021 06:02 AM #14 zeno (Administrator)

Re: using a direct network offering where they ask for a pixel ID -- this is great in that its simple to do. But, it will be client-side and rely on cookies, so is still not going to be as reliable as an S2S solution where you are capturing a click ID. Anything cookie-based will inevitably get worse over time as well... given how browsers (especially Safari on iOS) are blocking cookies/tracking automatically.

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