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My way to green (9)

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A warm hello to the community. I am very glad to be here! I like the atmosphere a lot, thanks to all who are very patient with newbies and take a lot of time answering them all of the questions.


I think it’s time for me to jump in now, although there is stuff in this forum for reading over several months...


A short introduction about myself: I am from Germany, first and foremost musician, but in affiliate marketing too for about 10 years now. I started with skillgaming websites, which led me to some gambling. Soon binary options came along, since this time I have some trading and broker comparison websites.


Due to no gigs as a musician (Covid...) I would like to learn new things and I’m interested in doing media buying for my favorite brokers.
But at the moment I am light years away ;-)


I did the $1 guide and the 40 day Pop tutorial (also read the push guide).


I am using :
Bemop
Purelander with AWS
Anstrex


Traffic Networks:
Propellerads
Popads


The last weeks I tried several things with media buying, but now I need some help ;-)


Today I started a new campaign on Popads.
It’s a Big Bang Ads offer for a RM500 KFC gift card in Malaysia. (recommendation of my AM)
(I played around with this offer the last two weeks, but started it again today with other requirements)


Payout 0.5€


I am testing two LPs ( one is ripped and cleaned, and one I did on my own, it showed good results the last 2 weeks (tried some other LPs the last 2 weeks too)
the ripped one is a giftbox LP with a questionnaire afterwards.





...And two of the same offers: The offers are without a prelander (BBA often has own prelanders), one offer is normal and the other especially for Ramadan.


Testing budget: 2 offers x 2 LPs x 0.5 payout x 10 = 20€


I divided it with 3 to let it run 3 days because of volatility of pop traffic.
Do you would recommend this too?


So 7€ each day. At the moment when writing this I noticed that I didn’t convert the money, so on popads its 7$ each day and 21$ whole budget.


I played around with popads budget and choosed following settings:


Bid 0.0004
Top 70% websites
Primespot only
Non Adblock only




Calculator shows:
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Average bid for traffic with your options is 0.000160
Highest effective bid for traffic with your options is 0.002000
Max bid offered for your options is 0.100000
Your position in bidding queue is 24
We estimate you'll receive 10000 impression(s) per day
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If I will receive 10,000 impressions that’s only 4$. So I won’t receive my daily budget with this. That’s the first point which is confusing for me.
In an popads Guide I read that much less impressions would be sufficient.
I tried also "Top 40% Websites" with receiving 2000 impressions only.

I would be glad about some recommendation if I set up this correctly.


Thanks a lot
Frank

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Be aware that some GEOs in BigBang only converts if the lead is 23+ years old.

I spent some little money there (100 USD+) and didn't find any offer that showed potential to get to green.

Maybe someone more advanced can do it, but I didn't pursue it further because of this.

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Welcome to the forum!

Sounds like you've got quite the well-rounded background

I don't know much about that type of traffic (@vortex is the resident expert on that kind of stuff) but it sounds like you're certainly approaching it in the right manner!

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Hi @frathu! Big welcome to STM and thanks so much for starting this follow-along!

It looks like you're making great strides - so far so good!

Here are some thoughts/suggestions:

-Your budget is good!

-Here is a post I just made yesterday with tips on cutting placements: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ing-Placements

-Regarding LPs: Nice landers and I'm really impressed with your efforts on coming up with your own custom lander! But have you also tested other popular sweeps lander styles, i.e. the survey lander and the spinning wheel lander? Would be good to split-test at least one of each!

-As for running traffic for 3 days due to volatility: You can do this while testing, but you'll eventually want to run the campaign unthrottled (i.e. get as much traffic as quickly as you can) anyways, or else you won't get enough volume to make profits beyond nickels and dimes. Also, most offers for pop traffic only stay "hot" for a short period of time, so you probably don't want to take TOO long to test/optimize. I would try to get it done in one day if traffic level allows.

-Regarding bid and impressions and budget: Your bid is quite low, which is why you can get 10k impressions for only $4. I'd say you're bidding appropriately, as average bid is only 0.00016 and you're already bidding higher than that. Let's say what the results are and we'll go from there.



There are lots of ways to test and optimize, and you'll eventually find your "groove". I would encourage you to do whatever makes sense to you at the time, by trying different things and observing what happens and then adjusting accordingly. And of course I'll provide suggestions as needed.

Looking forward to seeing some stats soon!



Amy

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Thanks a lot for that information. I checked this, My offers are 18+, but I will keep care on this in future.

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Thanks Amy for your reply and help.

The 2021 version ��thanks a lot☺️

I tested two other survey landers before, but the offer I posted in my last thread converted best out of them.

ok. thanks. today i changed the bid to 0.001 and received the daily budget. a few minutes ago i spent the whole test-budget for today. But its late in MY, lets see if I can spend the whole budget today.

Yes, according to the tutorials I thought it would be the best to bid a little bit more as the average bid. But yesterday I could not get enough impressions, so I changed the bid today to 0.001. It’s much more but less than the highest effective bid... well... just trying and see what happens...

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Well... no luck this time.
The two weeks before I made 50 conversions (but I invested 100€ also), tried here and there push and pop.
Used Own landing pages but also the offer which included the BBA prelander.
So there were mine landers and the BBA prelanders.
I thought this is too much and so I used the BBA offer without their own prelander and the best of my own lander plus the ripped lander which is running for weeks in MY (but other traffic networks) for this camp.


2 conversion on each LP. So 4 conversions for the whole test budget.
Yesterday I deactivated two placements (2583764,4502381) to avoid burning my budget. They have the most traffic but one site of them gave me 2 conversions before.
1 conversion is just luck - 1 visit, 1 conversion ;-)



Checked my whole stats and noted that I made 43 conversions with push (propeller) and 12 on pop (popads, including the four from the latest campaign)... of course I invested more, but the CTR (6,12%) and ROI was much better (-68%, hrrgghhh).
perhaps I should try my luck with push with this campaign....

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Why not just run them to see if they can become profitable before cutting?

If any of them reach 2x payout in loss, can always cut them then.


-68% ROI - for the pop campaign?

Unless you can find some major traffic segment to optimize to quickly and drastically increase your ROI, I would consider ditching the campaign. ROI is pretty low.



Amy

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Hi Amy,

I read in other follow alongs that it would be useful to deactivate placements with a lot of traffic but no good conversion to avoid burning budget. (And activating them again later when you have a good funnel). So i tried to do that. As you see in the screenshot they were still in loss.
No, for the push on propeller
Thanks for your opinion.


By the way:


Traffic company sent an info that Smartlinks would perform well in MY on digi (iOS&android. eCPM 7,15€).So I set up a very small complain (5$) on popads just for a test to see what will happen.
I deactivated the same two major placements (in my newbie opinion I think these are bad placements because of much traffic and very few conversions?!)


My bid: 0.001 (the same as the KFC camp).


Very interesting:
The camp is still running (the 4th day now). All other placements seem to be so small, that I spent less than $1.5 each day although the same bid of 0.001.
Or what is the reason for this? should I use another bid?


The other interesting fact:
I have only one conversion :-(


So how would you use such a smartlink offer? With one conversion only I don’t see a chance to optimize. I know in the $1 guide you say that it is quite difficult earning money with direct linking smartlink offers.
But somehow they seem to work for others?!

Thanks
Frank

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